found grown female squirrel half paralyzed, Help needed in WA

[Rolly's momma]

I found what appears to be a grown male squirrel who seems to have no use of his back legs. He SEEMS to be other wise not hurt, no visible blood, or injuries. He won't move his mouth when I try to give him droppers full of water, and I know his mouth works due to him trying to bite me when I wrapped a towel around him to help him, and again when my husbamd lifted him to discern the sex. I dont know what to:Squirrel:Squirrel:Squirrel do and any vet I have called says that due to fish and game laws I cant have him checked and fixed up even though ive told them I will care for him permanently. Can someone please help me? Im desperate for any info I can get to save this sweet boy!

Thank you for any help you can offer me.

[SammysMom]

Warm, dark and quiet. Do you have a cat carrier or a large plastic tote that you could put him into? Then a heating pad under HALF of the container and lots of fleece or tee shirts in the container for him to hide in.

[SammysMom]

If you put a container of water into whatever he is in, you can fill it with clean stones or marbles to weigh it down so it doesn't spill in the container with him.

[Unikorngrrl]

Any fur missing or anything like that? Warrior wouldn't open his mouth when I first got him here either. Do you have any medications on hand? Baby Ibuprofen, Prednisone, Tramadol, Cipro, Clavamox/Augmentin? Ibuprofen and Prednisone cannot be given together, just getting an idea of what you might have that might help...

[Rolly's momma]

Any fur missing or anything like that? Warrior wouldn't open his mouth when I first got him here either. Do you have any medications on hand? Baby Ibuprofen, Prednisone, Tramadol, Cipro, Clavamox/Augmentin? Ibuprofen and Prednisone cannot be given together, just getting an idea of what you might have that might help...

I dont know if im replying to this correctly. ?.. no fur appears to be missing, I havee tramadol, how much should he be given? So the no opening his mouth thing seems to be normal? Ive been concerned that something else was going on. How do I earn his trust? Hes in a large cardboard box, I have a towel underneath him, and a heating pad under the box. I keep putting littke drops of water into his mouth, what else can I do?

[Rolly's momma]

I dont know if im replying to this correctly. ?.. no fur appears to be missing, I havee tramadol, how much should he be given? So the no opening his mouth thing seems to be normal? Ive been concerned that something else was going on. How do I earn his trust? Hes in a large cardboard box, I have a towel underneath him, and a heating pad under the box. I keep putting littke drops of water into his mouth, what else can I do?
I also have Baytril, which is an antibiotic I got from the vet for my mouse when he was was sick

[SammysMom]

Didn't you say he was able to open his mouth but just didn't when you offered water? Maybe I am misreading this in which case, I apologize. If he is able, but doesn't when dropper is offered, that is fairly normal. He doesn't know anything about droppers or people so he is frightened.

[Unikorngrrl]

We normally say plastic container b/c the cardboard absorbs fluids and will contribute to dehyration. Also, if you have old sweatshirts or tshirts, those would be better than a towel. They have a tendency to get their nails caught in towel loops and injure or choke themselves. Not opening his mouth, I have translated as pain and/or fear. Trust is something you really gain over time. You can give Tramadol. I'll have to look up dosage info. Let me see if I have the info or if I need to put out feelers for someone that can dose it. Do you have a gram or ounce scale? We'll need to know his weight...

[Rolly's momma]

Didn't you say he was able to open his mouth but just didn't when you offered water? Maybe I am misreading this in which case, I apologize. If he is able, but doesn't when dropper is offered, that is fairly normal. He doesn't know anything about droppers or people so he is frightened.

Yes he can open his mouth, he just wont when I try to get him to drink. Im so gkad yo hear that being the reason, I was terrified that all hope was lost.

[SammysMom]

He is far from out of the woods, but I am sure he is frightened half to death by the whole situation. Tee shirts, flannel or fleece rather than towels as Uni said and I said in my message. Heat under half of the container. If you have a large plastic tote that you can poke holes into for air, it would be more secure. If he suddenly feels better and freaks out, he could hurt himself by getting out of the box.

[SammysMom]

Are you in Spokane? I want to see if I can find someone who can help you locally.

[Rolly's momma]

We normally say plastic container b/c the cardboard absorbs fluids and will contribute to dehyration. Also, if you have old sweatshirts or tshirts, those would be better than a towel. They have a tendency to get their nails caught in towel loops and injure or choke themselves. Not opening his mouth, I have translated as pain and/or fear. Trust is something you really gain over time. You can give Tramadol. I'll have to look up dosage info. Let me see if I have the info or if I need to put out feelers for someone that can dose it. Do you have a gram or ounce scale? We'll need to know his weight...

Okay, hes got a plastic tote now, I put a few old sweatshirts, folded so he wont get caught up anywhere, heating pad under half. How do I get the tramadol into him and how much?

[SammysMom]

Can you post a pic so we can do a better guess at weight? You can text it to me if that is easier.

[Rolly's momma]

Are you in Spokane? I want to see if I can find someone who can help you locally.

Yes I am in Spokane, on the south hill

[Rolly's momma]

Can you post a pic so we can do a better guess at weight? You can text it to me if that is easier.

Okay thatd be no problem, where shoukd I text it to?

[SammysMom]

Here he is. Does a pound sound right to our experienced members?

[SammysMom]

Check your messages. I sent you the dosage for Tramadol.:thumbsup

[sdreamcatcher]

So thankful he has so many in his corner trying to help him feel better. Just wanted to add I am sending prayers and good vibes for this sweet scared boy. If you have rescue remedy that may help; you can brush a drop or two on his ears. Hold on, little one; you are in good hands :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Duckman]

I am in Vancouver Washington, which is about 350 miles from you. Unfortunately, I can't drive to you. If you can get him even part way here, I can meet you and get him to The Squirrel Refuge (who I work for), who has a vet that will see him. Can you drive maybe to The Dalles Oregon? I can call you too, if you can PM me your phone number.

[SammysMom]

I am waiting now for some info on possible help in WA!:thumbsup

[Duckman]

Here he is. Does a pound sound right to our experienced members?

He looks about 500-600 grams.

[Duckman]

I dont know if im replying to this correctly. ?.. no fur appears to be missing, I havee tramadol, how much should he be given? So the no opening his mouth thing seems to be normal? Ive been concerned that something else was going on. How do I earn his trust? Hes in a large cardboard box, I have a towel underneath him, and a heating pad under the box. I keep putting littke drops of water into his mouth, what else can I do?

Ok, there are two things I see here. First, if you have a plastic storage tub, it will be harder for him to chew out of. Second is make sure that only half the box is on the heating pad.

[Rolly's momma]

I am waiting now for some info on possible help in WA!:thumbsup

Some help here in Spokane? I dont think I can get down that way

[SammysMom]

Did you get the list I sent?

[Duckman]

I just spoke to the Refuge, and she sent a list of Rehabbers in the Spokane area to someone on The Squirrel Board. Unfortunately, she also said that if this is an adult wild, with a broken back, it is not going to be a good outcome for this little fellow. My prayers are with you though!

[SammysMom]

Just got off of the phone with Rolly's Momma and she is doing okay. She has had Tramadol and it seemed to help make her more relaxed and comfortable. She took a bit of molasses that I suggested putting on his gums so that her blood sugar didn't tank as she is not eating anything. She will put some cut up apple or grapes (peeled) in with her tonight as that may help hydration also. She is now in a plastic tote half on the heating pad and in shirts rather than towels.
Unfortunately, she had already contacted all of the rehabbers on the list and they all told her to euthanize. :shakehead
She is feeling like she has a strong will to live so I directed her to Warrior's thread and told her that it may take time. She is very willing to take that time and between her and her husband it sounds like they have a plan.
Keep this girl in your prayers as she needs all that she can get.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[SammysMom]

There is an issue that I am just not experienced with that maybe someone here can help with. How will she know if she needs to help express her bladder? Where specifically is her bladder and was I correct to tell her that initially she can try to stimulate as if it were a baby and then the GENTLE pressure sort of from the top down around the bladder with two fingers?
Please speak up if you have better suggestions as I really am not sure I am giving the best advice!:poke:sanp3

[Nancy in New York]

Gayle there is an excellent video of how to express a squirrels bladder in the emergency section, it's a sticky.

Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cf0CwuDvlM

[SammysMom]

Perfect Nancy! Thank-you!

[Rolly's momma]

Wanted to give everyone an update, it appears that this sweet boy is in fact a sweet girl LOL. She's now accepting water from her dropper, she's not ready to drink on her own, but baby steps as they say! She took some molasses as per Mr. Sammys moms advice and she took the qtip straight out of my husbands hand, she was quite pleased she seems to have a little more pep, and boy does she love her head and face rubs. I cant thank you all enough, this sweet baby's chance has increased thanks to you all... I do have more questions though, so please bare with me. If she wont void on her own and stimulation wont work, whats my next step?

[Nancy in New York]

Wanted to give everyone an update, it appears that this sweet boy is in fact a sweet girl LOL. She's now accepting water from her dropper, she's not ready to drink on her own, but baby steps as they say! She took some molasses as per Mr. Sammys moms advice and she took the qtip straight out of my husbands hand, she was quite pleased she seems to have a little more pep, and boy does she love her head and face rubs. I cant thank you all enough, this sweet baby's chance has increased thanks to you all... I do have more questions though, so please bare with me. If she wont void on her own and stimulation wont work, whats my next step?

You will probably have to express her bladder.
Here is a video that will show you how to do that.
Thank you SO much for helping this little darling.
You are certainly her angel regardless of what happens
to her, you are there now making her more comfortable,
and secure......thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cf0CwuDvlM

[SquirrelRefuge]

Do you see any wound on this squirrel that would account for the loss of use in its back legs? The tail still has the stripe look that you only see on squirrels during their first year of life so its young and if the loss of use of its legs is the result of an infection then it may recover but if its a break it will not live happily dragging itself around a small cage for the next several years and if it cannot urinate and defecate on its own, infection will become a regular part of its life.
I can usually feel if the back is broken by running a finger along the spine and feeling for a notch or bump. Also if you sort of dangle the squirrel and its legs just hang there and you pinch them and there is no reaction, that is usually a sign of a break. If it can hold its tail up over its back though, then I would look at something like a muscle or nerve problem. I hardly ever see squirrels that cannot urinate or defecate even with a broken back. If the bladder is very full you can usually tell by looking above the genitals to see if the area is distended. If the squirrel has no feeling, its not going to be uncomfortable either way and messing with it overly much at this point might just cause it unnecessary stress.
Euthanasia for a wild animal without hope of having some degree of mobility is a kindness. If that is what it appears the final outcome must be, then the number one goal is to make its passing peaceful and without fear so I agree that putting it on a heating pad set on low, some water and a warm place to snuggle in and hide until you can get it to the vet will go along way in making that happen. Here are some tips for transferring to the vet or rehabilitator: http://www.squirrelrefuge.org/stabilizationtransportation.html

[SugarBugFerret]

Thank you so much for giving this baby a chance. Just an FYI, my Skiddil came to me with a back injury, and was dragging her hind legs and tail. I also had some bladder issues with her as well. I have had her for almost 2 months now. It took a couple of weeks for me to see marked improvement in her hind end, but once it started, she just continued to improve. I truly thought I had a non-releasable squirrel on my hands, but I'm not so sure of that now. If she keeps this up, she will end up in the trees come springtime. My point is, don't write this baby off yet (I don't think you are). And even if she does not regain full use of her legs, that is not a sure sign of the impossibility of a quality life indoors. I am convinced of that after reading stories here and seeing videos of amazing squirrels that have had wonderful lives with their "hoomin" families! This sweet girl is lucky to have found you, someone willing to help her get better, to whatever extent that may end up being. You are a squirrel angel! :innocent

[sdreamcatcher]

Wanted to give everyone an update, it appears that this sweet boy is in fact a sweet girl LOL. She's now accepting water from her dropper, she's not ready to drink on her own, but baby steps as they say! She took some molasses as per Mr. Sammys moms advice and she took the qtip straight out of my husbands hand, she was quite pleased she seems to have a little more pep, and boy does she love her head and face rubs. I cant thank you all enough, this sweet baby's chance has increased thanks to you all... I do have more questions though, so please bare with me. If she wont void on her own and stimulation wont work, whats my next step?

I hope she just has nerve damage and just needs some time. There have been a few here who looked hopeless who are recovering, Skiddil and Warrior only being two examples. Kudos to you for giving her a chance and keeping her warm safe and fed. Get well soon, little girl :Love_Icon:Love_Icon.

[sdreamcatcher]

Thank you so much for giving this baby a chance. Just an FYI, my Skiddil came to me with a back injury, and was dragging her hind legs and tail. I also had some bladder issues with her as well. I have had her for almost 2 months now. It took a couple of weeks for me to see marked improvement in her hind end, but once it started, she just continued to improve. I truly thought I had a non-releasable squirrel on my hands, but I'm not so sure of that now. If she keeps this up, she will end up in the trees come springtime. My point is, don't write this baby off yet (I don't think you are). And even if she does not regain full use of her legs, that is not a sure sign of the impossibility of a quality life indoors. I am convinced of that after reading stories here and seeing videos of amazing squirrels that have had wonderful lives with their "hoomin" families! This sweet girl is lucky to have found you, someone willing to help her get better, to whatever extent that may end up being. You are a squirrel angel! :innocent





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[Jackie in Tampa]

sending good vibes...
:grouphugcome on little one...:grouphug
has anyone given any steroids or anti inflammatory?
sometimes if given soon enough, these meds can help mobility come back..
reducing the swelling quickly can be 'the difference' in her lifestyle to be.
here if I can help.

[Rolly's momma]

There appears to be nothing going on in the rear legs, though a little good news for this sweet baby.... she's defecating on her own..... yaaaay!!! Though does this mean she can void as well? She's a tad dehydrated so gonna get some Gatorade into her today, any advice on flavor? Oh and she's eating the peeled apples. I won't give up on this little angel unless she does first.

[Rolly's momma]

sending good vibes...
:grouphugcome on little one...:grouphug
has anyone given any steroids or anti inflammatory?
sometimes if given soon enough, these meds can help mobility come back..
reducing the swelling quickly can be 'the difference' in her lifestyle to be.
here if I can help.

The one vet that would give me advice said no ibuprofen cause they're little kidneys are super sensitive to failure. Oh she ate some rodent block as well

[Rolly's momma]

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How long did it take for your little sweetheart to stop being so scared? If this is a permanent injury my husband plans on building her a little animal wheelchair, he's already started designing it

[Jackie in Tampa]

gravity controls feces... has nothing to do with bladder expression..

honestly, I like to use the home made recipe myself... no extras just simple hydration fluids..
1 quart warm water
1 teaspoon table salt
3 tablespoons granulated sugar.. refridgerated for up to 72 hours..then pitch.
HOWEVER
it is counterproductive to use for more than 24 hours ..too much sodium.
however
you can get her semi hydrated with the solution above for 12 hours as much and as often as she'll take, then dilute normal formula or Ensure for a feeding or two and alternate the hydration solution and formula in that next 12 hours, then go full strength Ensure or formula and stop the rehydration therapy all together...
hope this makes sense..


can you find some prednisone tablets? any miligram will do... 5s 10s 20s, doesn't matter.
Have you given an NSAID yet?

[Rolly's momma]

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Sorry I guess I should write all these questions down LOL. So your baby was thought to be paralyzed also? When I found her she was trying to climb a 1foot wall, her little legs just dangled. Did you have previous experience with squirrels before this little girl came to you?

[Jackie in Tampa]

The one vet that would give me advice said no ibuprofen cause they're little kidneys are super sensitive to failure. Oh she ate some rodent block as well
ok I see now... good!!
get her hydrated asap... that is key..
and make some calls to family and friends or your vet and ask for a few pred tablets...
it is the ultimate best thing you can do currently besides low grade heat and hydration... covering her cage entirely will help her feel secure.. all the while she will be adjusting to indoor sounds...
keep other pets away please, the sq will def feel threatened with big activity...so quiet is best... no children either, although I realize that they are curious too, it will add to the sqs stress...calm dark and quiet are also key to her recovery...
sending good healing vibes.:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Definitely NO GATORADE! Way too much crap in it. Sounds like you are getting great advice from some of our best. How does she seem this morning overall?

[SammysMom]

We have movement in one of her feet when pinched! Keep up the prayers TSB...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

We have movement in one of her feet when pinched! Keep up the prayers TSB...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

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Great news Gayle!
Was she able to get prednisone?

[SammysMom]

No pred yet, but possible source tonight or tomorrow morning. Is it productive to try it at this point? I did PM someone and asked, but haven't heard yet.
:alright.gif:wahoo
Great news Gayle!
Was she able to get prednisone?

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

If you can get this squirrel to Seattle I have a vet who can help. Just let me know if I can help you send prayers to you :grouphug

[farrelli]

Great news! :thumbsup

Thanks SM for all your hard work on this, as always!

[Nancy in New York]

No pred yet, but possible source tonight or tomorrow morning. Is it productive to try it at this point? I did PM someone and asked, but haven't heard yet.

Yes, I have actually heard that it's definitely worth a try even several days after the fact.:thumbsup
This just happened too on the board, and I remember recommending the same thing, to try it, because Jackie had
said it could still work, but for the life of me, I can't remember which thread. I will have to look, because it actually did
work!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rolly's momma]

Great news everyone, as Ms. Gayle said, we have some small movement, my husband is on his way to pick up Prednisone now, will let you know mg. So maybe someone could help with dosing. This sweet angel is a fighter! Thank you all for all your healing prayers and vibes.

[Rolly's momma]

So we got the prednisone 10 mg. Can someone please pm me the dosage amount? Im so excited, it would seem that God is shining down on us with amazing healing energy and good grace. Thank you all again so much

[Nancy in New York]

So we got the prednisone 10 mg. Can someone please pm me the dosage amount? Im so excited, it would seem that God is shining down on us with amazing healing energy and good grace. Thank you all again so much

I will pm you in a couple of minutes.

[SammysMom]

Many prayers being sent to the west coast...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug This little one likes molasses...:rofl4
It seems that it is helping with the meds as well as getting her to drink more water. And, even though we don't have pee yet, we do have :poop:poop:poop
(that's the dancing poop I told you about Rolly's Momma :grin)

[Nancy in New York]

Just wanted to make sure of the drugs this little one is on?
Does anyone know, is it only tramadol?

[SammysMom]

Yes, just Tramadol and adding in the pred that you dosed.

[Nancy in New York]

Yes, just Tramadol and adding in the pred that you dosed.

Thanks Gayle, just making sure.:thumbsup

[Rolly's momma]

Okay guys, we have pee....woooo hoooo... I did have to do the work for her, but what are new mommas for? When I was pushing down on her bladder, both legs had some spasming, whether thats more improvement or just some muscles having some randoms, I dont know. So she seems to be burnt out on drinking anytgubg tgat includes meds, suggestions?

[SammysMom]

Dont think of her "taking" as much as you "giving". Put the syringe in the corner of her mouth and push the med in. Offer her some sweetened water or fruit juice right after, but just dose her then cater to her afterwards.
i know it isnt easy, but she needs it to recuperate.:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Good job with the peeing, but was there any luck with stimulation before pressure?:thumbsup

[Rolly's momma]

Good job with the peeing, but was there any luck with stimulation before pressure?:thumbsup

No ma'am, I ttied to stimulate with warm qater amd a q-tip, nothing. But after a few tries with pushing on her tummy like the video you sent me said, I noticed her privates kind of spasming, so I tried to make it do that again, then bingo she went pee :-) it would appear tgat her bladder may be at the very least temporarily paralysed. As much urine that came out, she would have gone if her body were able. I think also that that's why she wouldnt drink for a few, I think she probably didnt feel good.

[TinyPaws]

I'm happy to hear things are looking up for this girl. Sending good vibes her way.

[Duckman]

I am praying for this one. She sure sounds like a fighter! Warm Vibes to you and her!!

[Rolly's momma]

Just did our first bed change, boy that was tough! Im so scared of hurting her. Got a fouple different kinds of pine cines to put in with her rodent blocks, peeled apples and water. Should I stikk be trying to give her water via dropper? Or will she drink water on her own? I know such a broad question, but there was a lot if urine so I dint think we're dealing eith dehydration, as the urine wasn't incredibly strong smelling.

[sdreamcatcher]

Awesome turnaround in such a short time! I am so glad you all are giving her this chance. Have you named her yet? :grin3

[squirrelmommy22]

Praying she continues to improve.:thumbsup

[Nancy in New York]

Just did our first bed change, boy that was tough! Im so scared of hurting her. Got a fouple different kinds of pine cines to put in with her rodent blocks, peeled apples and water. Should I stikk be trying to give her water via dropper? Or will she drink water on her own? I know such a broad question, but there was a lot if urine so I dint think we're dealing eith dehydration, as the urine wasn't incredibly strong smelling.

A good indication of dehydration is dark urine.
See if she will use a bowl, if not, syringe it to her.
Try with a very shallow bowl, and if it's light, try to weigh
it down with some clean rocks. Actually, I just saw recently that
some people were using the little flower pot saucers that come
when buying the pot that catch the water. It's heavy and shallow. :thumbsup

[SammysMom]

I am so happy to hear she seems to be doing okay. Personally, I would get a syringe from the pharmacy and use it to offer water. It is the best way to be certain how much she is drinking as well as easier for her to maneuver in her condition. Leave the bowl too, but offer the syringe when possible. If you ask the pharmacist for a few for a "kitten" who was abandoned, they are generally pretty good about either giving them to you or selling them for cheap. I will put together a package for you and include some syringes and blocks. Just PM me your address.
You are doing a wonderful job giving her a chance. I am sending many prayers for healing and strength for all of you.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Rolly's momma]

Soo much more movement today guys, did the foot pinch test and instead of a twitch, I got a whole leg mivement, her leg moved in closer to her body upon 2nd pinch. Yaaaayy!!! The gloves came off, both figurative and literal, I reall took the gloves off, this has put her in so much ease. While trying to do a bladder express I also noticed that when I was done pushing on her tummy, her vagina still spasmed, does this mwan we're getting some potty stuff back? How do I oush fluids? Or do I? Ive been opening her crate just to pet her, she seems to like it, amd honestly I'd rather she bit me amd got it over with so I can stop being so damn scared, she's just so quick it scares the sh!t out of me.

[island rehabber]

This is wonderful news! Keep having her push those legs against the palm of your hand. As the leg muscles return, so will the bladder control. As for not getting bitten, don't ask me.....I have a little one here whose 'nips' are getting very painful and I've not hit on the right solution either :hurt:rotfl

[Rolly's momma]

And im thinking Precious for her name? Any thoughts? ideas?

[SammysMom]

It's a name that is very close to many of our hearts. Mine is one of them...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[island rehabber]

And im thinking Precious for her name? Any thoughts? ideas?

I usually find that they tell me their name, very quietly, during those moments when we're close. :)

[MJS]

I usually find that they tell me their name, very quietly, during those moments when we're close. :)

SO TRUE...AND AS FOR THE 'BITES'...ITS JUST PART OF THEIR COMMUNICATION PROCESS. WE'RE JUST NOT USED TO IT FROM OUR OTHER ANIMALS AND SO WE TEND TO TAKE IT AS AN ATTACK ON US. I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO OBSERVE TWO SQ SISTERS TOGETHER AND THE NIPPING/SQUEALING IS JUST A PART OF THEIR NORMAL INTERACTION WITH EACH OTHER. THE 'HARD BITES' THAT WE GET USUALLY COME WHEN THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR CUBE/NEST FROM OUR OBSESSIVE NEED TO CLEAN IT OUT, OR THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR STASHES WHICH WE HAVE INADVISEDLY ALLOWED THEM TO ACCUMULATE. :shakehead

[sassysquirrel]

How is she doing today?

[SammysMom]

I spoke to her squammy earlier today and she is doing well. Overnight last night she peed on her own. It seems to be actual bladder control as her bladder was expressed late last night so it was probably not from her bladder being overfull.
She is getting a bit more movement in her back end, but needs a whole lot more prayers for more healing. Her new family loves her and is really working hard to bring her as far as they possibly can.
TSB prayers for much more improvement soon...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug
Oh also, her name is Karma...:Love_Icon

[Unikorngrrl]

I'll answer since I'm not sure if she's got time to get on tonight but I just spoke with her. She has named her Karma, which I think is beautifully unique and perfect! Karma snatched her leg back from Rolly's momma twice lastnight and has a bit more movement today so the Pred is helping for sure. She picked up some yogurt and Pediasure and Karma is happy drinking it. I advised to add ABs since there is a wound, and we don't know what caused the injury to start with. SMZ-TMP. If it was a healthy squirrel I wouldn't suggest it, but since we have NO idea what's going on exactly, and there is no Veterinarian that will help I think it's a very safe plan. She did also just get a weight on Karma and she's exactly 1 lb. They're making trust progress also, though of course with an older sq that's more difficult. Smart mommy so I'm sure this girl will be just fine! I have no real squirrel "training" experience, but I've told her steps that I took with Warrior. I told her it was simply what I did and by no means any kind of proven or factual information. Regardless to progress, I have no doubt that this girl will be well cared for and much loved (she's already very loved)!! Thanks girl for helping this little one!! :thankyou

[sassysquirrel]

Thanks for the update.
I have been following this thread along
with the other paralyzed thread.
Partial to the paralyzed squirrels -
for obivous reasons:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Precious is here guiding the thread Sassy...:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Well everyone, we're wondering if the accident might hage been an animal attack, she's had a tiny scab on her inner left thigh that seemed insignificant until now. Tonuggt after her dinner and pm meds I was attempting an expression when I noticed that that thigh is red as well as red a little on her tummy. Immediately I called unigirl at which we decided this might be an infection, we decided on a course of antibiotics. Ms Sammys mom and ms unihirl know what it is, its 6 letters. Anyways... first treatment in, prednisone and more ensure, now she lies swaddled and sleeeping in my lap :Love_Icon! A little movement in rear end as I work with her, I feel I should be doing more. ?.. so thats our day! Thank you to everyone for the love and support you guys have shown Karma and I :squirrel1

[SammysMom]

The antibiotic won't hurt, but remember it may also be a bit of urine burn if she is peeing some on her own.
You are doing great! Snuggles to Karma from me...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Unikorngrrl]

The antibiotic won't hurt, but remember it may also be a bit of urine burn if she is peeing some on her own.
You are doing great! Snuggles to Karma from me...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

:thumbsup May very well be (and probably is) urine burn. I'm worried about how the injury may have occured to begin with. Was she off her game b/c she was already ill and then fell? What could the scab be from? I figured a broad spectrum would be a good safety measure just in case. I did state that we don't like to willie nillie give ABs b/c of the build up of resistance factor, but in this case I personally feel it's a good idea. If it was an animal attack then the ABs will help combat whatever bacteria may have entered her system. :dono

[SammysMom]

Oh I am not saying not to use it. I am just saying it may need a topical of some sort to prevent it worsening. A course of AB is fine though :thumbsup

[Unikorngrrl]

Yes I PMd her about silvadene cream and that it's prescription but that she can also use Neoporin or diaper rash cream!! :thumbsup I'm hoping this girl is up and moving around in a few more days! THAT would be awesome!!!

[Rolly's momma]

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I hope I did this right, if I did then you'll be able to see the red on her belly and the dark (2) scabs on her thigh. I hope you can tell what caused them. Is it weird that she seems more at ease when shes in my lap then when shes in her bin?

[Rolly's momma]

We def have movement, but the size of that bump on her spine worries the hell out of me, I pray and pray for more improvement. The thing that has me so worried with the red is it seems to be coming from the thigh, like the scabs are infecting though the scabs are very clearly healing. I worry about everything I do with her and whether or not im doing the right thing. When I put her back in her bin she just seems so damn frightened, but then I pick her back up and after just a few moments shes calmed down, am I doing this right?

[SammysMom]

Do you have a cage, even a small one? Maybe she would prefer a cage with a sheet over most of it.
if its infection the antibiotic should help. You are doing great!:Love_Icon

[sdreamcatcher]

She may feel more secure with you; at this point she has to know you are helping. A cage may help especially if it is a bit higher (eye level as opposed to on the floor). You are doing GREAT :thumbsup!! I know you will worry about every little thing but hang in here you are getting great advice. I love the name Karma :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Had a great meal... she ate 7oz vanilla ensure, took all of her medicine, and ate quite a few bites of yogurt. The entire time her ears were relaxed, she didn't appear to be upset or nervous! :grin3 after she snuggled for 45 minutes or so, then off to bed where I applied triple antibiotic to her tummy (it does look like a burn) we heard some noise from her house and when I peeked in I saw her playing with her pine cones :highfive:crazy.... I'll keep everyone informed as our sweet little Karma gets better *fingers crossed*

[sdreamcatcher]

Had a great meal... she ate 7oz vanilla ensure, took all of her medicine, and ate quite a few bites of yogurt. The entire time her ears were relaxed, she didn't appear to be upset or nervous! :grin3 after she snuggled for 45 minutes or so, then off to bed where I applied triple antibiotic to her tummy (it does look like a burn) we heard some noise from her house and when I peeked in I saw her playing with her pine cones :highfive:crazy.... I'll keep everyone informed as our sweet little Karma gets better *fingers crossed*


:Love_Icon:Love_Icon How sweet she is playing already. She KNOWS you are there to help her; squirrels are just awesome that way. Have a good night Karma, may tonight be the first of many great days for you :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Sorry I missed your call last night! I had a 6am stop this morning so I was in bed. I was responding to TSB on my Nook, which generally means a whole lot of typos.
It sounds like things are going really wonderfully. You are doing a great job!:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Im having difficulty expressing Karma's bladder today. Was able to do ut a little this morning, im hoping this meqns that she's getting more control over it herself, though I wiol continue to try. Ate a good breakfast and lunch, approx 7 cc's ensure 2 cc's yogurt oer meal. I was concerned that she wasnt eating more until I realized how thick and filling those really are. Other suggestions for bladder expression? She continues to enjoy my holding her, and since I love to spoil my babies rotten.... holding her is what she gets then!!! :grin3

[pappy1264]

How does her bladder feel, is it round and hard or flat? It is possible she is going on her own, and thus would not have much in there. If her bladder was full, she would not want to eat or drink, at least not alot, as she would have no room and be very uncomfortable. I believe her acting fine, eating, etc, tells me that she is likely emptying her bladder on her own. I know she has been on steroids and that can certainly help with these issues. Keep an eye on her, you don't want to over do it when it comes to trying to express, either. Are you keeping her on white fleece, so you can hopefully see any urine?

[SammysMom]

I believe the white fleece will arrive tomorrow.:thumbsup Pappy, where is the video of using two fingers to express the bladder?

[pappy1264]

Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utgeGFod8r4

[SammysMom]

:thankyouMary!

[pappy1264]

You're welcome!

[Loopy Squirrel]

The default for the bladder is the urge to hold rather than let go so if she's slowly getting back bladder control she will resist you expressing her. Just keep an eye on her bladder. Check it often and make sure she is voiding on her own. If she doesn't go after a few hrs you may still need to express her but it will be a fight. If you hold steady pressure she will eventually go. It will become a contest of wills. Getting back control is a difficult thing because she may be getting some feeling back but you don't know how much and how often. Until she has total control you will have a fight on your hands.

[SammysMom]

Thanks Loopy! How often is it usually needed? Is the bladder VERY noticeable to the touch?

[sassysquirrel]

With Precious - the more active she was the more she would poop and pee. That along with a healthy diet.

[Rolly's momma]

Im getting the hang of expressing her bladder finally. I just worry that by squeezing her tummy, im going to hurt her, she doesnt have bruises, so I must be doing something right. We had a great evening... once again a huge thanks to everyone on here, especially sammy's mom for the hours upon hours of questions, answers and even some crying, without you, I woukd be completely lost. Unigirl as well, you guys have meant just as much to Karma's continuing progress!!! :thankyou:thankyou

[CritterMom]

FYI - Bearded Dragon sells things OTC that are normally sold by prescription only:

Silvadene cream: http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=410

Baytril (enrofloxacin): http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=477

[Milo's Mom]

Just a quick note on something that I have picked up on over the years....

When trying to monitor urine (whether they are going on their own or not and if so how much) it is best to NOT use fleece. Seeing urine on fleece can be difficult. Try using something with little to no pattern and light in color....flannel is what I use.

I also use a disposable chux under the flannel....they are white and absorbent and show every drop of urine clearly.

[Loopy Squirrel]

I always check the bladder every few hours, like 3-4. If a much longer period of time goes by like say 6-8hrs and she still hasn't peed then you should express her. The longer urine sits in the bladder the greater chance for bacteria to grow. You do however want to give her time to try and go on her own but if it isn't happening, then express. She may only be getting partial feeling back so sometimes she may feel it and other times she may not. If her bladder is full you will definitely be able to feel it. The reason I don't like to wait for a really long time is that it will get so full that trying to express can put a huge amt of pressure on it and if there is any weakness in the bladder walls it can rupture so please be very careful.

[SammysMom]

Spoke to Karma's mama tonight and it seems our friend Karma is doing better all the time. The bladder issue seems to be improving as she is urinating with just stimulation of her genitals rather than pressure on her bladder. Her urine is much more clear and she is eating much better. I sent some Henrys blocks and we are waiting to see how she likes them. We did learn that she really likes the pecan flavored Ensure and the miracle nipple incited her enough to eat with more vigor. After ripping up the nipple that is and moving onto chewing up the syringe...lol She is feeling far more squirrelly than she was! Her mama will be on later tonight to fill in more details, but she is definitely showing improvements. TSB prayers are doing their work!:Love_Icon

[pappy1264]

Wonderful update!!!!:Love_Icon

[Duckman]

Very good update. I am so happy I was ignored on this occasion. I hope the Squirrels will forgive me. I am taking this as a reminder that even though there is little hope, there is never no hope and to try regardless of the odds. Thank you Squirrel friends for helping me to realize this. :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

DM, I was not all that hopeful at a point too. Thankfully, Rollys Momma ignored us and carried on with her diligence. She and her husband have done everything within their power to give this girl a chance. I too am thankful that she was so strong.:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Karma and I received a package from Sammy's mom (aka grandma Gayle) so mqny wonderful, kind, and thoughtful surprises for karma. Sorry I was unable to post last night, we could not gind the charger for my tablet. Karma ate incredinly well yesterday afternoon, we received a miracle nipple, and it made Karma go crazy. We normally have to force the food into her cheek, instead she grabbbed the syringe with her claw, and proceeded to try to devour her food. Shes loving the butter pecan ensure, hasnt tried the henrys yet. There was a small amount of urine, but for the most part im still expressing her bladder, im not having to squeeze the poor baby anymore though, im able to stimulate her now, its so much better. Tried to post a video, but was unable to. Shes not nearly as uncomfortable anymore, I love on her constantly and she seems so much more at ease.

[SammysMom]

Yeah Karma!!! SO happy that she is doing so well! It works best if you upload to YouTube and then put a link here...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Just spoke to Karma's momma and she is doing much better. Her tail has much better movement, she jacked her fanny up on her own in annoyance and she ate a block on her own as well as opening a nut. All in all, she is showing great improvement in a short time. TSB prayers and pred are helping the awesome care of her family in getting this girl on the road to recovery!:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[island rehabber]

Excellent news! Keep up the good work, everyone!

[Rolly's momma]

My apologies to every one waiting for me to update. Working overtime, kids losing my tablet (while it was dead so I couldn't text the locator), and getting an average of 2 hours of sleep every night to take care of my sweet girl has left me little to no time left in the day...... Well last night Karma introduced me to those sweet little teeth of hers lol! YEOWCH!! Though to be honest, the first bite didn't even leave a scratch, so I took that as a sign that she didn't actually want to hurt me, however the second time she tasted a little type O negative lol! In her defense, my husband let our dog in the room, he was laying under the bed so I was not aware of Damian's presence and that scared our poor girl half to death. After letting her calm down however we were able to feed as normal with little to no resistance at all. After supper I was loving on her while she relaxed in her bin, I was messing with her tail cause for the first time she was able to move it (in irritation of course lol) after about 2 minutes of messing with it to see how much was spasms and how much was her (all of it) she pushed her little feet against the bottom of the bin and pushed herself forward..... Yay!!!... As I was at work from 4 a.m.to 5 p.m. today my husband took care of her, she ate really well, as she normally does, but after her lunch he heard her in her bin, he took a peek to see her eating some Henry's blocks, cracked open a walnut and ate the walnut, 2 pecans and an almond!!!! This is the first time she's eaten solid food since she came to us! Well the honey moon is over as the saying goes... She's become quite the irritable little thing, which Sammy's mom informed me this is actually a good thing, she was pretty agitated at supper tonight (today we went a little longer with pain meds to see if it would help her to move more on her own, no change there, and when she was eating her nuts she had a fresh dose of Tramadol in her, so obviously meds are needed in helping to keep her comfortable) we were able to give her her bed time Tramadol dose, so once the meds kick in we'll feed her again! Well again a big thanks to you for all your love and support for Karma and myself! I would have been completely lost without each and everyone of you! Please keep up with the prayers and warm wishes for us in this time, each day even the smallest improvement is still an improvement! In such a short time, this sweet, amazing, beautiful baby has taken over my entire heart!:grouphug:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

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[Rolly's momma]

Thank you to Nancy and Robin for the amazing and thoughtful care package. The pouches are not only beautiful, but Karma is definitely happy to have them (so are my hands lol) and she's already made friends with her new stuffy...... She loves her babies. A little concerned tonight...... As I was expressing Karma's bladder I noticed that her knee is bald, almost no hair on it. There's no owy with that though, just bare naked skin. What does it look like when they start chewing on themselves? Karma doesn't have any new sores that I have seen, and unless it's right under her chin I would have seen it, I look her over a few times a day just to be sure. Just a little concerned, when it comes to Karma I have a tendency to get overly paranoid. Any thoughts on this would be really appreciated.

[SammysMom]

Sorry, I missed your call. My phone having issues. Just keep an eye on that leg. Maybe rubbing because of a lack of movement?

[Rolly's momma]

Karma is peeing all by herself!!!!!!! At least she did tonight, and boy was it a lot!!!! She's had a great couple days. She loves the fleece pouches and they help us to make her comfortable so she can eat. She got upset at daddy tonight while she was eating and she kicked the crap out of him with her back legs.... So much improvement. She seems to enjoy being in her pouch cuddling on the bed with mom! Eating more and more, and grooming herself.. so amazing! She loves apple juice, it's a guarantee to get her going then we sneek in the ensure lol! Thank you everyone! I will post some pictures tomorrow!

[Nancy in New York]

I'm so glad she loves the pouches. Robin does amazing work doesn't she.:thumbsup
I am thrilled that she is peeing on her own....who would have thought.
Thank you for sticking with this little princess, I know she is here ONLY
because of you. :bowdown
I am so anxious to see new pictures, I can't wait!:hyper :tilt

[Duckman]

Karma is peeing all by herself!!!!!!! At least she did tonight, and boy was it a lot!!!! She's had a great couple days. She loves the fleece pouches and they help us to make her comfortable so she can eat. She got upset at daddy tonight while she was eating and she kicked the crap out of him with her back legs.... So much improvement. She seems to enjoy being in her pouch cuddling on the bed with mom! Eating more and more, and grooming herself.. so amazing! She loves apple juice, it's a guarantee to get her going then we sneek in the ensure lol! Thank you everyone! I will post some pictures tomorrow!

What great news! I am beginning to think she had a soft tissue injury, and it swelled into her spinal cord. Now that the swelling is going down, she is starting to regain use of her paralyzed limbs and organs. Keep up with the treatment you are giving her! You're definitely doing it right!!! :grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[SammysMom]

I am so glad to see that she is doing so well!!! I woke up thinking of Karma this morning. Wasn't feeling well last night so I never spoke to you.:eek This is a really exciting post. Nancy is right, this is all thanks to your love and care.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[pappy1264]

What wonderful news! All your love, dedication and hard work are paying off!!! So happy for you both!!

[sdreamcatcher]

What amazing progress Karma is making!! This post proves one should never underestimate the power of squirrel :thumbsup. She is so lucky to be in such capable hands :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

Yay, this is wonderful news on Karma:) - I have been a lurker on this thread, but I have been hoping and praying for sweet Karma all along.:Love_Icon What a wonderful job you have done with her to even bring her this far :thumbsup - miracles do happen and the healing power of a squirrel never ceases to amaze me! Sending warm and healing thoughts and prayers your way.:grouphug

[TubeDriver]

Amazing improvement! :thumbsup Squirrels really have superhuman healing powers.


Way to go Kharma (and mom too)! :)

[SammysMom]

Karma today...:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Well, I'm hooked.
OMG I just adore this little girl, and her
new mama too! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Okay everyone... Sorry for our short absence, we have been a busy family, work, squirrel baby (Karma) baby mice, actual human kids, you know the things that make life worth living. Anywho... Karma is doing great, she's lil miss attitude today daddy says. So I don't know what to think about Karma's injury, I really do believe it is a break or at the very least her spine is compressed, God I wish we could get xrays!!! The massive bump where her shoulder blades should be is what makes me think this. Now that the swelling has gone down, I can feel the vertebrate in this bump (it appears there are 2 vertebrate next to each other in this injury, not the single vertebrate that are down the rest of her spine)needless to say they don't feel right, nor does it look right at all, everyone I have spoken to agrees with this. We do have daily improvement, though the urinating on her own is a very spontaneous thing. We do have to express her bladder multiple times daily, though sometimes we will go to do this and BAM, she's gone on her own, so your guess is as good as mine. She's eating Ensure 3x roughly 9cc's at a time daily with an apple juice chaser3-6cc's at a time (this is her favorite thing ever) She's eating roughly 1.5-2 Henry's blocks a day, one nut of her choosing (usually an almond) and veggies. Today she chose snap peas, or at least the innards of them she seems opposed to the outards LOL! Her left leg seems to improve so much daily this is the leg that has a bald "knee" the right one however seems to have plateaued for now today however she pulled her right leg towards her body and held it there for more then 30 seconds, and it was definitely not a muscle spasm, (she can kick it, lift it to her body and push with it) her left leg she can do everything the right one does plus she can get it under her and push up a little. She seems to be at ease when she's laying in her big purple with butterflies pouch (Thank you aunty Nancy and Aunty Robin), with a stick, a Henry's, and her almond. The only time she seems to get upset with us and lash out is when we smell like DamianBones (our Pitbull) or we are coming at her from above. All in all, our little princess is fattening right on up, she's happy and most importantly she's healing and loved!!!

[sassysquirrel]

She is such a pretty little girl!!!

[farrelli]

Such great news. I hope she continues to improve and will eventually pee completely on her own.

[MJS]

BLESS YOU FOR HELPING THIS GIRL!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Rolly's momma]

I need some help guys...I need someone who has dealt with half paralyzed babies... Karma is chewing the fur off her left leg... Don't mistake this for chewing her skin... No owys at all, but big clumps of fur are coming out, the bald spot is getting larger daily! Now Sammy's mom and I are thinking that this is because her leg is getting so much better and she's either feeling the tingles or she's not feeling herself grooming very well so she's over grooming... Please help. Also we are needing some info regarding the prednisone, she's been taking it roughly 13 days, she's receiving .2 cc's once daily, the risk of keeping her on it at this point I truly feel would outweigh the reward of taking her off, in other words if I'm not saying this right, without it the swelling increases and the movement slows down. Again, we need help. Not to mention, we are getting low on the Henry's, where do I order it from? I need it soon. If anyone has any info please don't hesitate to call me 509-279-2708. Once again, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your help!

[Nancy in New York]

Why is she still on the prednisone?

[SammysMom]

Henryspets.com is where you get the blocks. Figure 1 bag per month for 1 adult squirrel. The cost of shipping is flat rate, so ordering for a few months is a good idea as you can keep them in the freezer. Be sure to always keep them in the fridge if not the freezer. I take 2 out per day from the freezer.

[Duckman]

I will be over at the rehabber that I work with's house, and I will ask her about the prednisone. I am also wondering why she is still on it though, as I don't know that she would be getting any benefit from the continued use.

[Rolly's momma]

No one told me how long to keep her on it, so I continued use. Should I start weaning? If so how much and how often. Did I cause her pain?

[Duckman]

No one told me how long to keep her on it, so I continued use. Should I start weaning? If so how much and how often. Did I cause her pain?

I won't be to her house until tomorrow afternoon, so I can't advise until then. I am pretty sure though, that you haven't caused any pain. It is how it builds up in her body that is the only concern. If someone pipes in before I get back tomorrow afternoon, they can advise you on whether to reduce and by how much.

Edit - Just thought to ask, what is the dosage now, and how often? Please send this to me in a PM.

[CritterMom]

When you stop the pred - and you should at this point - don't do it all at once. Steroids need to be tapered off after long term use.

[SammysMom]

I believe Nancy gace you the taper off instructions at the beginning of this situation. When she gave you the dose it was for less than a week and in that she included the taper off instructions. Look back at your PMs for that information.

[Nancy in New York]

I gave you dosing instructions.
I sent a copy to SammysMom with instructions on
how to break the pill down and then the amount to give.
I also said at the bottom it was to be given for 5-7 days if
I recall.
I later sent the directions on how to taper off in another pm.

For the first day you were suppose to give .1 twice a day for three days.
then give .2 once daily for three days, then once every other day for three more days.

I have no idea how to taper off when your squirrel has been on this for this length of time.
I always send my dosing instructions to another member as well as to the person I am giving
the instructions to.

Gayle do you have a copy of the pm with the dosing instructions. I believe I said I was
going to ask Jackie about the duration of time. She never got back to me, so I assumed
that the 5-7 days was fine as this is what I have always been told.

[SammysMom]

All is well, Jackie has given taper instructions and tomorrow she is down to .1. I forgot to tell you that it was being worked out through Uni who has been helping since the first with Jackie's instructions.
I just got off the phone with Rolly's Momma 5 minutes ago and she is tapering off for certain! Karma is doing fine with it as today she decided to do some serious chewing...:rofl4 She is doing well and gaining more movement every day.

[Nancy in New York]

All is well, Jackie has given taper instructions and tomorrow she is down to .1. I forgot to tell you that it was being worked out through Uni who has been helping since the first with Jackie's instructions.
I just got off the phone with Rolly's Momma 5 minutes ago and she is tapering off for certain! Karma is doing fine with it as today she decided to do some serious chewing...:rofl4 She is doing well and gaining more movement every day.

Fantastic Gayle, thanks for the clarification. Phew!
When something is done like this, it would be nice if everyone
involved with dosing etc. knows exactly what is being done.

My instructions for this type of use (swelling) clearly was NOT
for this duration of time.

Thank you Gayle for staying on top of this. :grouphug

[Rolly's momma]

Hello everyone... Sorry for all that happened a couple weeks ago, Karma is off the Prednisone, she has been for quite a bit now. I have some other issues I need help with. Karma's bladder has become increasingly hard to stimulate. I noticed this after an incident where she actually went potty on her own. Now I don;t knbow if this was because she had had alot to drink and an apple so she was full or if this is something that is coming back, all I know is that it scares the hell out of me, what do I do? Thye next issue we have is that she continues to groom her left knee to death, she's completely bald on her knee (when I get off work I will post a picture for y'all to see what I mean) still no owys, so she's not chewing on her skin. She's doing great other than that. I have increased the expressing of her bladder (through stimulation) between feedings, and I have thought that maybe she just doesn't have any urine, but I do know Karma and it doesn't seem like the right amount, it seems less then it should be. I just want to be sure that everything is okay with her and anything that happens that is unusual i freak out about. On a positive note, the last few nights after feeding her, she's been laying in momma's arms and falling asleep with me, I never thought we would get this far, but she has, it's pretty amazing to be loved by her. Oh and she's started sneezing again... ??? Any thoughts/ It's not constant, but it is noticeable. Thank you guys for all your help, sorry for the scare again (Ms. Nancy in New York) I've realized that if someone is giving me informaton, just to listen to the one and not the whole village.

[Nancy in New York]

Hello everyone... Sorry for all that happened a couple weeks ago, Karma is off the Prednisone, she has been for quite a bit now. I have some other issues I need help with. Karma's bladder has become increasingly hard to stimulate. I noticed this after an incident where she actually went potty on her own. Now I don;t knbow if this was because she had had alot to drink and an apple so she was full or if this is something that is coming back, all I know is that it scares the hell out of me, what do I do? Thye next issue we have is that she continues to groom her left knee to death, she's completely bald on her knee (when I get off work I will post a picture for y'all to see what I mean) still no owys, so she's not chewing on her skin. She's doing great other than that. I have increased the expressing of her bladder (through stimulation) between feedings, and I have thought that maybe she just doesn't have any urine, but I do know Karma and it doesn't seem like the right amount, it seems less then it should be. I just want to be sure that everything is okay with her and anything that happens that is unusual i freak out about. On a positive note, the last few nights after feeding her, she's been laying in momma's arms and falling asleep with me, I never thought we would get this far, but she has, it's pretty amazing to be loved by her. Oh and she's started sneezing again... ??? Any thoughts/ It's not constant, but it is noticeable. Thank you guys for all your help, sorry for the scare again (Ms. Nancy in New York) I've realized that if someone is giving me informaton, just to listen to the one and not the whole village.

I spoke with SammysMom about this, as I know she is the one that has been guiding you. So you are set with what she told your hubby to do, correct?
If you have any other questions, or problems, you have her number as I know that your computer time is
very limited. :thumbsup

[Rolly's momma]

Ms Sammy's mom has been such an amazing guide for me and Karma, thank you Ms. Gayle (grandma Gayle), we sure do love and appreciate you. Thanks to Sammy's mom we got Karma what I think is the absolute perfect starter cage last night. Karma doesn't know what to do with all that space. Actually she was so afraid of it at first she vibrated the whole room shaking til momma picked her up and she fell asleep in momma's arms LOL. She figured it out though, now she's all over the place, watching everything, taking it all in. It's the perfect height at 18" tall and 4 feet long. Oz was able to cut cardboard to fit perfectly in the bottom so her lettle knees don't drag, we then wrapped the cardboard in fleece, so there's no cardboard chewing. Her tummy and knees are safe :grin3 Thank you for all your help Ms. Gayle and Ms. Nancy.

[Nancy in New York]

Ms Sammy's mom has been such an amazing guide for me and Karma, thank you Ms. Gayle (grandma Gayle), we sure do love and appreciate you. Thanks to Sammy's mom we got Karma what I think is the absolute perfect starter cage last night. Karma doesn't know what to do with all that space. Actually she was so afraid of it at first she vibrated the whole room shaking til momma picked her up and she fell asleep in momma's arms LOL. She figured it out though, now she's all over the place, watching everything, taking it all in. It's the perfect height at 18" tall and 4 feet long. Oz was able to cut cardboard to fit perfectly in the bottom so her lettle knees don't drag, we then wrapped the cardboard in fleece, so there's no cardboard chewing. Her tummy and knees are safe :grin3 Thank you for all your help Ms. Gayle and Ms. Nancy.

That sounds wonderful. About the cardboard, remember that will hold liquid, so if she pees, or splashed water it will stay in the cardboard for a while.
Let me see if someone that has a paralyzed squirrel can chime in and help with what would work better on the bottom.
Karma is one lucky little squirrel to have found her way to YOU! :grouphug

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

I have a plastic tray wrapped several times in fleece, Gio is not a chewer, (YET :eek ) is your???

Also I found if there is no bladder control and pee goes everywhere Flannel works better than fleece, more absorbent, or even the sham wow that was TV 24/7 about 2 years ago, I am sure they still have it in some drug stores under the "seen on TV" section.
I will go back and read the whole thread when I get back, need to go for a bit.

[Rolly's momma]

Karma is having some difficulty transitioning to her cage, she seems depressed since we've moved her... Any thoughts? It's freaking me out. She's still eating, though she seems less interested in what is usually her favorite things (Walnuts, almonds, blackberries, apple juice, etc...). Is this normal? she's not becoming mean or anything, she's still super sweet, and though she seems to be less energetic, she still has energy; she still digs in her fleece pouches to find her comfy spot, she still takes her nut from our hand, she just hordes and hides them. As far as digging her bed up, she seems more interested in the sticks and pinecones that we give her, the bottom of her cage is always covered in the shreddings of what used to be pinecones and bark. As for her going potty on it, we don't have to worry about that unfortunately, her bladder is still paralyzed so we are the ones who express her bladder. She has peed twice on her own though, so we are ever hopeful (we don't mind and we have the time to always ensure her bladder is expressed, my husband is not working right now to ensure that someone is always here with her). I just need some advice, if this is not normal, what could be the cause? If it is, what is the general reason for this? Ms. Gayle has told me of things to watch for as for her being ill, and so far she's not coughing, sneezing excessively, no milky tears, over all, she looks normal, it's just the way she's acting (somewhat like she's just more tired then normal). As always, thank you all for your advice, you are all so very helpful and I appreciate you!:grouphug I'm always appreciative for phone calls as my computer time is somewhat limited 509-279-2708

[TubeDriver]

This might be a long shot, but if her pee habits are changing, could she have an UTI?

[Loopy Squirrel]

I was thinking UTI too. It is something you will always have to be on the look out for since she cannot urinate totally on her own yet. Does the urine smell different as in strong odor or has the color changed at all?

[SammysMom]

I just spoke to Karma's mom and Karma is doing great! She actually pulled her right rear leg up underneath herself tonight for the first time!!! She has really come out of her shell and is bonding really well with her family.
I am sure that the prayers from TSB are contributing to her recovery.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

I just spoke to Karma's mom and Karma is doing great! She actually pulled her right rear leg up underneath herself tonight for the first time!!! She has really come out of her shell and is bonding really well with her family.
I am sure that the prayers from TSB are contributing to her recovery.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

What a wonderful update.
I hope you get pictures soon.....:poke

[SammysMom]

This is from a while ago, but it is what I have...

[Nancy in New York]

Awe, she looks quite content!
Precious little baby. :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

Great news!:)

[Squirrel15]

I had the same problem. I tried putting him in my closet(it's carpeted) he could easily move around but he soon got rug burn and urine scalding. I took him to the vet and they almost put him down, thankfully the vet let me try to save him. What I did was put a sheet over my carpet and weighted it down so his wounds could heal. For the urine scalding I bought medicated utter balm from farm and fleet and made sure to rub it on him. To give him water, just fill up a frisbee and set it near him. Also make sure to get him grapes and fruit(that's how mine allowed me to get near him and now I can pet him and hold him). I do not think he will regain his ability to move though. Hopefully this helped!

[Rolly's momma]

I am sooo sorry I have not been on here for a while. Karma is doing fabulous, though she still doesn't have the use of her back legs, she is a happy little girl. Last night we gave her pomegranate and WOW did she love that, after that she's refused to eat her salad thinking if she does we'll give her the fruit instead LOL! She's 100% at home with us, she loves to play and just last night she was going crazy, she acted similar to a cat on cat nip, nothing in her cage was safe including our hands, which she pinned down and proceeded to nibble and groom until there was virtually no flesh left LOL! She did this for about 2 hours until she played herself to sleep and it was a deep slumber I'll tell ya! We have 4 day old puppies, I had Karma in the front room with me in her pouch (Thanks to Aunt Nancy and Ms. Sassy Squirrel) when the puppies started arriving and Karma took one look and it was filled with such hatred that I knew in no way was she ever going to let one of them stay hehe! She's such a blessing to us, I can honestly say that each and everyday I fall more and More in love with her (if that's even possible). Again, I'm sorry I didn't update for a while, if it wasn't for all of you I don't know what would have happened to Karma. Oh and just a little update as to how she is in captivity, we pick her up and snuggle her, she sleeps with us (until it's time for us to go to bed then she has her own spot) she lets us handle her completely, she trusts us completely, I will say, we are blessed beyond anything imaginable. A ginormous thank you to Ms. Gayle, she has played such a huge role in Karma's continued good health.... I know the conversations have been long and frequent, but I appreciate every minute you have donated to us!

[farrelli]

That's so great that everything is working out so well. Sounds like a total love fest! And yes, Gayle is just incredible like that!

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

Great update.
I have a little guy with similar issues.........

Expressing 3 times a day is enough, 4 if you think she will be more comfortable
When dealing with the bladder issues you have, please don't give anything with a lot of acid. No oranges, tomato, apples, things like that.
Acid is very hard on weak bladders. Give her water melon along with lots of romaine , (no ice burg) They love it and keeps them well hydrated!!
Because we express our babies, we are putting extra pressure on the bladder it is not used to and can bruise causing UTI, (urinary tract infection)

Also what are you giving her for her calcium? and is she getting 15 minutes of sun everyday? She needs both in order to survive.
She is chewing to keep her teeth down there are other things they like to chew without all the mess, plus I don't give my guys out side things if they are never going back outside, only because I believe their immune system isn't the same when inside and there is always risk of buggies and molds that could hurt her or make her sick. I bake all wood on low 200 for a an hour before mine get it to climb on or chew.
I use cutter bones and bird mineral chew from the pet store and oyster shells from the raw bar down the street. I boil the shells then bake on low for an hour my guys love them!! And these have calcium in then so double benefit .

They love stuffed animals to wrestle with also, just no beanie babies, they are not beans it it plastic balls they could choke on, no plastic eye ball either for the same reason.
I take fleece strips and braid them together and hang them from the top of the cage and Gio fights with them all day!!!

Keep up the good work! Looking forward for some pictures !

[Charley Chuckles]

Just such a wonderful update :thumbsup Once you found squirrel love, you will never look at squirrels the same way again :grouphug Hard to explain it unless you've felt it, and you have ...isn't it WONDERFUL it is like magic :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon Give her a hug from me :grouphug

[farrelli]

Please don't take the above suggestion about sun exposure to a recommendation for outdoor time. We recommend that squirrels never be let outdoors unless it's for release. They tend to run off. Even regular household screens are no deterrent for a squirrel to make a break for it.

Some people here provide sun exposure to enable vitamin D production, but if you're feeding HHBs, that should be enough D.

[Rolly's momma]

Thank you Farelli (sp), those are suggestions that I had never thought of, we will be baking any wood from outdoors that she is near or will receive. Yes, she does eat HHB, I was scared for a minute, we don't ever let her near outdoors so I am glad that you clarified (when it comes to Karma and her health, I am super paranoid) More then the HBB's Karma eats Ensure, she gets 12CC's every 8 hours, so with her cabbage, romaine, Pomegranate, honey nut Cheerios (she loves those, she get's one O a day) and so many other fruits and a couple nuts a day she's pretty covered. I love all the feedback though, anything to ensure her continued health. :thankyou I need to know about her back toe nails.... They get caught in material while she's walking and sometimes the object that her nail snags is a little heavier (like one of her babies for instance). What can I do to help her?224190224189 A couple of my favorites of my little princess.

[California Squirrel Lover]

She's an absolute doll!!! What a sweet girl :thumbsup :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[farrelli]

What kind of material is she on? Towles always snag, so we recommend fleece and flannel. Is that what she's on?

Seeing that she doesn't use them to climb, you might want to trim or file her nails, just a tiny bit at the tip.

[SammysMom]

Yesterday, I got the most beautiful gift from Karma and her mommy Jayme! It is a beautiful purple jade necklace with a beautiful gold squirrel on it. I absolutely LOVE it! I am so happy that I have been able to help Jayme to get Karma to where she is. Jayme and Austen are Karma's squarents and they are really going above and beyond what most people ever would. Karma is a happy healthy girl because of their incredible devotion to Karma. I love the fact that I have gained a wonderful new friend in Jayme. Thank-you so much for my beautiful gift, but more for our friendship. :Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Yesterday, I got the most beautiful gift from Karma and her mommy Jayme! It is a beautiful purple jade necklace with a beautiful gold squirrel on it. I absolutely LOVE it! I am so happy that I have been able to help Jayme to get Karma to where she is. Jayme and Austen are Karma's squarents and they are really going above and beyond what most people ever would. Karma is a happy healthy girl because of their incredible devotion to Karma. I love the fact that I have gained a wonderful new friend in Jayme. Thank-you so much for my beautiful gift, but more for our friendship. :Love_Icon

Awe, how very nice of Karma and her mommy to give you such a beautiful necklace!
I know you have helped them so much through this ordeal, and I'm sure they are so grateful
you took them in under your wing.
Beautiful! :Love_Icon

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

Wow so beatiful, I am sure it is as beatiful as you are . Thanks for all the help you gave to this wonderful squirrel and the family.:Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

You made me get all choked up Ms. Gayle, I am so happy that you love your gift, Karma sure loves mine, well actually she hates it because it's not part of Mommy, so she's always trying to chew it off LOL! Yes Ms. Nancy, she has been a true gift to Karma and myself without her God only knows what might have been! To Farelli- Karma is always on Fleece, the only time we use cloth is for expressing her bladder. We're going to file the tip off, we were going to try to use the dog nail trimmers but Karma's nail beds are so dark that I am afraid to hit skin.

[Rolly's momma]

So I have to share with you guys a really funny story about Karma! Here recently Karma has decided that her cage is used solely for the purpose of climbing and to hold her water bottle. She loves to hide food on top of it and when she's going on her crazy funny tangents, she'll climb up and stop for a bite to eat. Yesterday while doing her normal funny routine, she was eating some dry oatmeal (one of her favorites) when she started to chew really fast while kind of shaking her head. I think she had gotten a piece stuck on the roof of her mouth, my husband and I started to laugh at her and when we looked back she was literally sticking her tongue out at us, mouth closed, tongue out, oh if only I wold have had a camera at the ready. All one inch of her tongue sticking straight out of her mouth, the timing was just too good, it appeared that she was doing it at us for us laughing at her (though I know she wasn't). Just had to share with you all the funny stories of our sweet princess. Other then that, she is doing fantastic, she sleeps with us (at her insistence) but her cage, other the taking up room in my bedroom, is only used for her routine exercising climbs that she makes hundreds of times a day. It melts my heart watching her to learn how to use her body without her hind legs. Mind you her cage is only 18" tall, but we figure this is good for her to learn with! She's just simply amazing, and everyday I love her more the the day before, which I didn't think possible, such a true blessing from God!!! None of this would be possible without Ms. Gayle Malloy Barbour always at the ready for anything I may need her for. Thank you again Ms. Gayle~!~

[SammysMom]

Oh I wish you had a picture of the tongue sticking out!!! I miss you...I have been so darned busy with Roxy that I haven't talked to you in forever... Monday we have to chat to catch up. I also need your address when you have a chance. I have something silly for Karma....:grin3

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

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[Duckman]

This is simply wonderful! I have learned such a great lesson from Karma. I know now not to ever write them off while they draw breath, because she has shown me that there is always a fight for life within these little fuzz balls! I am so happy she is so healthy and brings endless joy to your life. There was a reason she ended up with you, because you gave her life when many of us didn't think that was possible! :grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[SammysMom]

She taught me that very lesson DM! Isn't it a fun lesson to learn? :Love_Icon
This is simply wonderful! I have learned such a great lesson from Karma. I know now not to ever write them off while they draw breath, because she has shown me that there is always a fight for life within these little fuzz balls! I am so happy she is so healthy and brings endless joy to your life. There was a reason she ended up with you, because you gave her life when many of us didn't think that was possible! :grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[SammysMom]

Here is a picture of sweet Karma that her mom just texted me. I just had to share it with everyone!:Love_Icon

[MJS]

:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :thumbsup LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT!!!

[SammysMom]

Apparently one of Karma's favorite things to do is chew up wax... Here she is...BUSTED!

[Rolly's momma]

The most amazing baby.... My Karma!! She's such a sweet special baby. Her daddy built her a big cat tree and though she was afraid for a bit, she owns that thing now!!! I've always known that she was a sweet, fun and playful baby but what i didn't know was that she is a lunatic! She flips around that thing in ways that I sometimes can't even watch for fear of having a heart attack. She's doing great though, such a happy baby. I was scared that she was going to move off the bed when she discovered her new tree, but I am happy to let everyone know that she gets up every morning about 11 and plays til around 10 and comes back to the bed for bed time. Oh and when she wants to nap during the day she comes back to the bed. Thank you everyone for helping on this magnificent journey with Karma!:grouphug

[SammysMom]

My phone was dead! I just got your message and I do not know about olives. Did she want one? YUCK!!! Anyone else know if squirrels can have olives?:dono

[Rolly's momma]

I need some help everyone... Karma has been getting more movement in her rear legs, but this is causing an issue in itself. When she walks nowx her legs stay under her, kinda looks like shes sitting, this is causing her ladynparts to be thrust forward, so when shes playing, which is always :) her little parts are hitting the grou d and has caused swelling, well I noticed today that thjs swelling is now advanced to some blood. Please help me, what can I do to make this situation go away, I am one very concerned mommy.

[sassysquirrel]

You can try making her a drag bag.

Or you can try (if she will let you) take and cut a kotex pad (I think cutting it is a circle might work best). Then take some vet wrap (the stretchy tape that only sticks to itself). Wrap over and under each leg. Forming a X on her private area and a X above her tail on her back.

This might work. Or you might have to do some research on a drag bag. There is a website that will show you how to make one.

Maybe others will have some other ideas.

[SammysMom]

Maybe a drag bag with holes for her legs to protrude from? I know she is enjoying using her new found legs, but Sassy is right that it would protect her privates.

[Shewhosweptforest]

Rolly's Momma could she just be in heat? The swelling of the area may be adding to the surface drag. The reason I ask, is the squirrel we had in the 80's sat up on her haunches like Karma, and would drag herself around. We never had an issue with her little privates getting raw:dono we may have just been lucky I guess. I'm hoping its something like that so perhaps a quick fix, and she'll be better in no time :thumbsup

[island rehabber]

If Karma is over 5 months old, she may very well be in heat.
Check out stosh2010's thread about Luna, who just went thru heat with much swelling and bloody stuff, too.

[Duckman]

She is in heat. There is no doubt from the picture. Normal female genitals will look like the boys (just a nub), just located in a different spot until they go into heat, then you can see the split in the vulva (notice that line?), which is prominent in that picture. Sorry for the graphic details, but I don't know how to explain it any differently. This too, will pass, but it will reoccur every time she goes into heat.

[Chickenlegs]

Just read about Karma. Sometimes you read about one of these amazing critters and you have to take a breath in awe. Too many well meaning people--rehabbers who have cared for squirrels for years, and people who come across an injured squirrel--are quick to euthanize saying "it's never going to be a squirrel. It's cruel to keep it alive" they need to see Karma so full of life and bringing joy to her family. Euthanasia is for ending suffering, NOT life! She's beautiful! :Love_Icon

[Rolly's momma]

Wome up this morning to blood on the floor and on karmas window sill. Is bleeding a normal part if heat for these little girls? I spoke with Gayle and she doesnt think this is karma in heat, but a UTI. Please someone tell what the hell to do. I have cipro, or the one that has a Z in it if I need to administer an AB. I dont know how to dose and im desperate to figure this out.

[farrelli]

You need to state the strength of the Cipro and the weight of the sq.

[Nancy in New York]

Wome up this morning to blood on the floor and on karmas window sill. Is bleeding a normal part if heat for these little girls? I spoke with Gayle and she doesnt think this is karma in heat, but a UTI. Please someone tell what the hell to do. I have cipro, or the one that has a Z in it if I need to administer an AB. I dont know how to dose and im desperate to figure this out.

Get a weight on the squirrel, and I can dose for you.

[Duckman]

I do still think this is heat, but it won't hurt to treat for a UTI.

When you say there is blood, is it smudges or drops and/or pools? Smudges would be normal, drops and/or pools would not. Again, it is better to be safe than sorry, so treating for the UTI is a good idea. Please supply a weight and someone will PM you the dosage.

[sassysquirrel]

This was my experience with Precious. The vet that removed her leg said that with her dragging her private parts she would be prone to UTI's. Also with Precious always dragging her private parts they were always larger than normal. I will attach a pic so you can see.

Hope this might help. Good luck with Karma - hope you find out soon what is wrong with her.

[Rolly's momma]

I know this may sound silly but I cannot for the life of my remember how to start a new thread, can someone out there help me? Yesterday I received a call about a squirrel that was abandoned and I'm trying to start a new thread for her so I can get some help judging her age and what not. Anyone out there wanting to give me some help?

[Nancy in New York]

I know this may sound silly but I cannot for the life of my remember how to start a new thread, can someone out there help me? Yesterday I received a call about a squirrel that was abandoned and I'm trying to start a new thread for her so I can get some help judging her age and what not. Anyone out there wanting to give me some help?

Hold on I will talk you through it! :)

[Nancy in New York]

Go to the forum that you want to post in.
On the first page you will see the word forum in RED.

Most likely it will be this one, and it will look like this:
Forum: Emergency (Life Threatening) Help Needed
(This is the second category down, after Welcome to the Squirrel Board.)

Up at the top on the left hand side, in dark blue with white lettering
you will see +Post New Thread
Click that on, make a title and type away, then when you want it posted, scroll down
a little and you will see on the right hand side: Submit New Thread.

If you still have problems I will start a thread for you, and send you the link. :thumbsup

[SammysMom]

Here's the thread with her pics.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?50840-How-old-do-you-think-this-little-one-is&highlight=

[SammysMom]

This is a video of Karma from today. She has been paralyzed since being with her family. Look at this girl go!!! She is using those back legs!!! Blurry phone video, but she is very definitely using those legs!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7aj4oSA4d0

[Shewhosweptforest]

Wow....that is amazing and wonderful :great :serene thank you for posting SammysMom ...did they say what they're doing...or did she just start using them? I could just cry....her movements remind me of Poppy...minus the cute feet padding along:klunk

[SammysMom]

Good diet, lots of attention and physical therapy. She has always been very active, but has recently started to really use them the way she is using them in the video...actual walking! Her mom and I are friends now via phone and Karma has come a long way because of all of her mom's love and hard work. There have been 2 additions of squirrels to the situation recently and her mom thinks that Karma is watching the others and learning what she should be doing. Whatever the reason, I just couldn't be happier for all of them!

[Shewhosweptforest]

Good diet, lots of attention and physical therapy. She has always been very active, but has recently started to really use them the way she is using them in the video...actual walking! Her mom and I are friends now via phone and Karma has come a long way because of all of her mom's love and hard work. There have been 2 additions of squirrels to the situation recently and her mom thinks that Karma is watching the others and learning what she should be doing. Whatever the reason, I just couldn't be happier for all of them!

Me too! This is every paralyzed squirrel's mommy's dream come true:please I wonder if she's still squeezing her bladder. What's amazing is she was an adult wild squirrel....and look at her trust ...it reminds me of our Momma Squirrel....sweetest girl around ....and wild the first 3 to 4 years of her life :Love_Icon

I'm just thrilled for Karma and her squarents :hug such a wonderful story from beginning to end :bowdown

[SammysMom]

She was more like a juvie, but she has been amazing every step of the way. She is truly the exception to every rule. If I remember correctly, she doesn't have to be stimulated anymore.

[SammysMom]

Just verified, Karma potties all by herself. She has come farther than any other paralyzed squirrel I remember. I am so happy for her and for her mom! :Love_Icon

[Shewhosweptforest]

That is wonderful....I'm so happy for them :Love_Icon