What is it? -- Need Med Dose!!

[Rhapsody]

This was just brought to me tonight --they thought it was a squirrel (not), it was cat caught...... and weighs 10 grams.
NANCY!! --I still have the Amoxicillin mix from the SFS, can I use the diluted mixture on this one?


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[Nancy in New York]

I have no idea what this is?
But it sure is cute.
Yes you can still use the mixture as it was just made up.
So for a 10 gram ? and doing the dilution the way we did
using 1 cc of the first solution/dilution then adding to that an additional
9 cc's of water, our dose would be 0.04 cc's twice daily.:thumbsup
You have it made up that way, correct?

[Rhapsody]

I have no idea what this is?
But it sure is cute.
Yes you can still use the mixture as it was just made up.
So for a 10 gram ? and doing the dilution the way we did
using 1 cc of the first solution/dilution then adding to that an additional
9 cc's of water, our dose would be 0.04 cc's twice daily.:thumbsup
You have it made up that way, correct?Yes, I still have the full strength solution made up..... some thing in me said: DONT THROW THIS AWAY!! :grin2

Thank you NANCY!! :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

Yes, I still have the full strength solution made up..... some thing in me said: DONT THROW THIS AWAY!! :grin2

Thank you NANCY!! :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :grouphug

Good thinking.
So you have the full strength where we initially added 10 cc's correct?
If so, then you take 1 (one) cc of the mixture out, and add 9 (nine) more cc's of water to that,
and you get this amount ( 0.04 cc's) to dose twice daily.

[Rhapsody]

Ok --We got the medicine part out of the way...... Now we needs the ID part.

ANY ONE??????? (baby: rat, vole, mouse) :dono :dono :dono

[JLM27]

Sure looks like a rat to me.

[Rhapsody]

Sure looks like a rat to me.Thats what I am thinking...... is the FV 32/40 at 3:1 ok for it?

[sid'smommy]

A friend for DARBY !!!! Unikorn was talking about adopting him a buddy :)

[Rhapsody]

A friend for DARBY !!!! Unikorn was talking about adopting him a buddy :)Are they in Florida? :grin

[sid'smommy]

Alabama .... Rat train ???? lol

[Rhapsody]

Alabama .... Rat train ???? lol:crazy :flash3 :Pals :Phone2 :Phone2 :Phone2

[sid'smommy]

Im sure she will be online soon :) :thumbsup

[kastillo]

Ohhh! It's a rat I think! And a big baby too! My rat came in with eyes just opened and he weighed 6 grams. So if this baby's eyes still closed at 10 grams, I bet you have a bigger rat species there. They make wonderful pets, and are released very easy. So either way you go,, you can't lose. So lets hope the AB's make this baby better.

[MJS]

DID SOMEBODY SAY 'RAT TRAIN'??? :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump

[farrelli]

Unfortunately I don't think there will be a rat train. Not only is Darby a mouse, it's been made clear that they apparently don't tolerate others of their kind well. I doubt a rat would be all that welcome either.

[Unikorngrrl]

WAIT on those ABs!!! I swear that thing Jackie just posted said no Penicillin for rats!!! I can't be certain till I see that post and it is a rat for sure!! PRECIOUS little baby!!! I'm going to derail you guys if you try to train it to me though :crazy:crazy:crazy

[Unikorngrrl]

NO AMOXICILLIN FOR RATS!!!

Found this in Jackie's newly posted AB thread...

"Rats and mice:
Fatal reactions: streptomycin, dihydrostreptomycin, procaine component of penicillins
Safe (see dosage table below): trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, enrofloxacin, ciprofloxacin, gentamicin, chloramphenicol palmitate, and tetracycline"

[Unikorngrrl]

Oh Geez, I hope she's on and it just doesn't show. The green dot isn't lit up by the screen name. Does anyone else have contact info???

[Unikorngrrl]

I do love rats though, they're great pets. Who am I kidding?!? If you sent it with a cage and food it's got a home. I might have to steal part of Sassy's thread name, the Wayward Home! LOL Y'all hit up kastillo, she already has one and they DO like company!!

[Rhapsody]

The little one has already had 1 dose of the meds @ 0.04cc ....... NOW WHAT!! --Flush Flush Flush the body?

[stepnstone]

WMB states not for Lagomorphs or Beavers,
Rabbits, hares, and pikas are lagomorphs.
Does not mention rodents. :dono

[Rhapsody]

This is what found while looking it up.....

Concerning amoxicillin and veterininarians: Many vets don’t want to use amoxicillin on rats. This is probably because in vet school they learn that amoxicillin can’t be used in guinea pigs, rabbits or hamsters (because it kills the good bacteria in their intestines), and they probably generalize this to rats and mice. However, rats and mice usually tolerate amoxicillin quite well. In my experience only a very small percentage of them will get diarrhea from it, and this is not life-threatening; it will usually clear up with a probiotic, or the amoxicillin can be stopped.



http://ratfanclub.org/resp.html

[Unikorngrrl]

:dono for sure. Was just concerned b/c of what I read from Jackie's post. My Vet never would prescribe Pen for my rats. They were ABs a couple of times. The info came from the Veterinary site that Jackie has access to. They made it a sticky.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?42840-ANTIBIOTICS-Safe-amp-unsafe-for-Rodents&highlight=

[Unikorngrrl]

Jackie's pretty dang good with meds so I would hesitate to go against her suggestions. It's simply not worth the risk when there are usually other options available. Sorry is for accidents, not for things we could have prevented...

[Jackie in Tampa]

AMOXICILLIN

BRANDS: AMOXI-DROPS, BIOMOX, ROBAMOX
10mg/lb BID, PO
.20cc/lb for 10 to 14 days
Bactericidal, mild broad-spectrum antibiotic. Good to prevent infection after surgery or injury, for urinary tract infections, or secondary infections. Does not attack mycoplasma directly, but in cases of multi-factorial infection, may kill off the secondary infection allowing the immune system to get the mycoplasma infection back in check. Works well in combination with Gentocin. Bubble Gum flavored — most rats like it. Inexpensive. Prescription needed.




this is from a rat site.

Rhapsody that is a black rat, found world wide... in florida we call them fruit rats but truth be they are the critters that carried the flea that bit the people and made them die... in the hose that Jack built! lol!
Black rats and amoxy are fine together!

[Rhapsody]

Thanks Jackie........ I wasnt going to give him any more of the Amoxi --the man said he saw two wounds, but for the life of me
I cannot see any of them my self. - - - - -> Do you think I should continue with the meds just because he was cat caught?

The wife that brought the little guy over to me with her two daughters thought little one was a squirrel and they left me with a
check donation to help out with his care...... I better get the check in the bank before they find out its a RAT!! :poke :rotfl :rotfl

Any who --I got up this morning at 7:30 am (after 3 hrs of sleep) and being up all night to start hydrating SCOOTER again and he
is doing good, drinking better this morning, I have a more hope for him today.

[Nancy in New York]

AMOXICILLIN

BRANDS: AMOXI-DROPS, BIOMOX, ROBAMOX
10mg/lb BID, PO
.20cc/lb for 10 to 14 days
Bactericidal, mild broad-spectrum antibiotic. Good to prevent infection after surgery or injury, for urinary tract infections, or secondary infections. Does not attack mycoplasma directly, but in cases of multi-factorial infection, may kill off the secondary infection allowing the immune system to get the mycoplasma infection back in check. Works well in combination with Gentocin. Bubble Gum flavored — most rats like it. Inexpensive. Prescription needed.




this is from a rat site.

Rhapsody that is a black rat, found world wide... in florida we call them fruit rats but truth be they are the critters that carried the flea that bit the people and made them die... in the hose that Jack built! lol!
Black rats and amoxy are fine together!



So this is confirmation that he can have amoxi. right Jackie?:thumbsup
"Black rats and amoxy are fine together!" What about other colored rats?:poke
I too found it in the rat guide.
http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/amoxicillin.php

[swimmergirl]

Not sure if it works the same with animals as it does with humans- BUT- with people, antibiotics can wipe out our good gut bacteria and cause GI issues e.g. diarrhea.

I was skimming some articles and it seems the concern with amoxicillin and rodents was the fact that it wipes out the beneficial bacteria from their gut and can cause serious diarrhea and other issues with absorption of nutrients, etc. (what the good bacteria does for the animal is help it digest and absorb nutrients)

In humans, supplementing with a probiotic while on antibiotics can help replace the good bacteria in the gut and avoid the GI issues that come with the meds.

Just thinking that it would be good to give some yogurt and/or Benebac, just in case?

Again, I have no experience with this in animals-BUT- just my thoughts, thought I would share. :tilt

[Nancy in New York]

Not sure if it works the same with animals as it does with humans- BUT- with people, antibiotics can wipe out our good gut bacteria and cause GI issues e.g. diarrhea.

I was skimming some articles and it seems the concern with amoxicillin and rodents was the fact that it wipes out the beneficial bacteria from their gut and can cause serious diarrhea and other issues with absorption of nutrients, etc. (what the good bacteria does for the animal is help it digest and absorb nutrients)

In humans, supplementing with a probiotic while on antibiotics can help replace the good bacteria in the gut and avoid the GI issues that come with the meds.

Just thinking that it would be good to give some yogurt and/or Benebac, just in case?

Again, I have no experience with this in animals-BUT- just my thoughts, thought I would share. :tilt


You are 100% correct. Stick around, we need you here. :)
That's why we suggest give probiotics 2 hours before or after the medicine to help with gastric upset.

[swimmergirl]

Thanks, haha! My mom always said I should have been a vet- glad I can put my nursing knowledge to use here! The human babies and these fur-babies aren't that different for a lot of things, I'm realizing!

[Jackie in Tampa]

So this is confirmation that he can have amoxi. right Jackie?:thumbsup
"Black rats and amoxy are fine together!" What about other colored rats?:poke
I too found it in the rat guide.
http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/amoxicillin.php


:thumbsupyep
did you see the big AB article I posted in RF?... awesome info:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

:thumbsupyep
did you see the big AB article I posted in RF?... awesome info:Love_Icon

Yes I did. :thumbsup Now to retain that info is the problem. :grin2
So the "cillians" should NOT contain a procaine component, because that is what is lethal? Correct?

[Jackie in Tampa]

Yes I did. :thumbsup Now to retain that info is the problem. :grin2
So the "cillians" should NOT contain a procaine component, because that is what is lethal? Correct?

thinking it acts like an anesthesia that rodents are not compatible with, it def plays with brain and spine sensors..very deep study, oye...
thinking it is all about blood chemistry... what sqs are made of and how much of each element..

have requested some explanations from a few big scientific brains..:thumbsup
sorry to thread jack Carolyn..what's the ratties name???:poke

[kastillo]

This is what found while looking it up.....

Concerning amoxicillin and veterininarians: Many vets don’t want to use amoxicillin on rats. This is probably because in vet school they learn that amoxicillin can’t be used in guinea pigs, rabbits or hamsters (because it kills the good bacteria in their intestines), and they probably generalize this to rats and mice. However, rats and mice usually tolerate amoxicillin quite well. In my experience only a very small percentage of them will get diarrhea from it, and this is not life-threatening; it will usually clear up with a probiotic, or the amoxicillin can be stopped.



http://ratfanclub.org/resp.html

I used clavamox on my rat because it was all I had at the time, and he's ok. Had a cat puncture on his temple! not sure if the AB's saved him, or he just didn't contract any pasteurella, but he's still with me today, and that was in December of last year.

[Rhapsody]

sorry to thread jack Carolyn..what's the ratties name???:pokeNP - I think the discussion fit right in with what was going on..... :thumbsup

His name is - - - - - - > SCOOTER (named by the families youngest daughter). :grin2

[LeilaNami]

On concerns about amoxicillian, my vet prescribed doxycycline (in the amoxicillan family of antibiotics) for my rat's mycoplasma.