Water to Drink

[Ridle]

Hey, im a new guy here. I just bought a squirrel (Indonesia chipmunk) yesterday at the birds market and a cage (seems like a bird cage height 50cm, width 40cm, 30length), he's 2 months old.
here's the problem, i just cant afford to go buy a drinking bottle today (the shop is a lil bit far away from where i live), so i put some water in a plastic box and put it inside his cage. but, it seems he didn't drink it. Is it okay?
or should i immediately buy one? btw, i feed him banana. is it okay too? (cant find a shop that selling food for squirrel)

sorry for my broken english, im Indonesian xD.
Ty for your attention.

[sid'smommy]

:nono tsk tsk... Before you buy a pet , you should be prepared with supplies, as well as have studied up on thier care and maintenance. That being said... he can probably wait till morning... but for tonight just use a very shallow dish (like a lid) to prevent drowning.

[farrelli]

The dish should be weighted so that he doesn't knock it over. You might have to dip your finger and give it to him so that he learns that's where water is.

Banana can't be the sole food. I'll post a link to out nutrition thread. I don't think that you have rodent blocks there so you will have toimprovise. We have many people here from overseas who successfully raise squirrels, so you just have to stick with us and we can help. It's too late tonight for me tp start looking up what they do though. I know that many of them, along with various vegetables, offer yogurt and Royal Canin puppy formula (it's available in MANY countries). Fruits and nuts should be treats only and not be a major art of their diet.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?39275-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels-(Revised-2-13)

Btw, what do the wild squirrels eat?

[Ridle]

:nono tsk tsk... Before you buy a pet , you should be prepared with supplies, as well as have studied up on thier care and maintenance. That being said... he can probably wait till morning... but for tonight just use a very shallow dish (like a lid) to prevent drowning.

yeah dude, thnks.
i already read so many sites talk about squirrel before i bought him,
:D

i just got back from a petshop with a drinking bottle, long journey.. 2hrs.

but the problem now, he doesnt know how to drink from it.
so wut should i do?

[Ridle]

The dish should be weighted so that he doesn't knock it over. You might have to dip your finger and give it to him so that he learns that's where water is.

Banana can't be the sole food. I'll post a link to out nutrition thread. I don't think that you have rodent blocks there so you will have toimprovise. We have many people here from overseas who successfully raise squirrels, so you just have to stick with us and we can help. It's too late tonight for me tp start looking up what they do though. I know that many of them, along with various vegetables, offer yogurt and Royal Canin puppy formula (it's available in MANY countries). Fruits and nuts should be treats only and not be a major art of their diet.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?39275-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels-(Revised-2-13)

Btw, what do the wild squirrels eat?


i just read the link u just gave me.. ty, its helpful.
now i have a drinking bottle attached to his cage,
the problem is, he will go running away if i let him sneak out from the cage.
so how should i "tame" him or at least make him dont running away?

oh yeah, about the drinking bottle, i think he doesnt know how to drink from that thing.
i already tried to feed the water with my finger, but as u know he's a wild one. he didnt touch it when i put my finger toward him, (almost touching the nose << ik, water shouldnt get to his nose)

[farrelli]

Sorry again for no one getting back to you. So he's a capture from the wild? I hope not! Is he a baby? Squirrels are wild creatures and will never be completely tame. It sounds like you're just going to have to spend a lot of time with him and win him over. It usually takes a pretty long time. Just make absolutely sure that he can't escape your home if he's young and therefore unprepared for life outside. Talk to him, just spend time with him and allow him to get used to you and his new home. Let him explore, but safely. You will have to make sure that there's nothing to harm him and that he can't harm himself by chewing cables and such. I hope that you're not going to keep him in a tiny cage or anything. They need big cages and lots of out of cage time. They need to be part of the family. In time he will be used to you and you can bond with him by giving him treats and such.

As to the water bottle, you may have to show him how to use it. Again dabbing it and showing him that water comes out can help. You might have to squeeze it for him at first. You might have to put some syrup or something on the tip at first to get him interested. Also, if it's plastic, keep it outside of his cage with the nozzle pointing in or else he's apt to chew the bottle to bits.

Also know that squirrel teeth grow about six inches a year and they need to be kept worn down or tragedy will ensue. You will need to provide things for him to chew on like branches, sea shells, antler, cuttle bone, etc.

[Ridle]

Sorry again for no one getting back to you. So he's a capture from the wild? I hope not! Is he a baby? Squirrels are wild creatures and will never be completely tame. It sounds like you're just going to have to spend a lot of time with him and win him over. It usually takes a pretty long time. Just make absolutely sure that he can't escape your home if he's young and therefore unprepared for life outside. Talk to him, just spend time with him and allow him to get used to you and his new home. Let him explore, but safely. You will have to make sure that there's nothing to harm him and that he can't harm himself by chewing cables and such. I hope that you're not going to keep him in a tiny cage or anything. They need big cages and lots of out of cage time. They need to be part of the family. In time he will be used to you and you can bond with him by giving him treats and such.

As to the water bottle, you may have to show him how to use it. Again dabbing it and showing him that water comes out can help. You might have to squeeze it for him at first. You might have to put some syrup or something on the tip at first to get him interested. Also, if it's plastic, keep it outside of his cage with the nozzle pointing in or else he's apt to chew the bottle to bits.

Also know that squirrel teeth grow about six inches a year and they need to be kept worn down or tragedy will ensue. You will need to provide things for him to chew on like branches, sea shells, antler, cuttle bone, etc.

nah, firstly pls dont hate my country very much.. becoz, i think the squirrel seller bought him from squirrel farm (used to be squirrel butchery, in indonesia, it is legal to hunt and turn squirrel into a satay). <<< yaay i just saved one :D

its about 2 month, last night i let him out of cage in my room ofc (ima student, and live in some kind of dormitory). And you know what? it takes 1 hour to catch him and take it back to his cage.
i dont know how to catch him actually, T_T . . . he just hide in my pants pocket, and wont come out for a quarter hour. for the last 30 minutes, i "play hide and seek" with him .
if u have some trick to catch him, it would be very helping for me as u say, i cant let him in a cage all the time.

btw, is any branches that have no pointy side's fine? im thinking to give him an empty coconut to chew to.

[farrelli]

Catching squirrels is hard. In time he will just go back to his house, and you can encourage him to do so with treats. Does he have a nice nest box to sleep in? The like somewhere comfortable that they can hide and sleep.

Please stay on TSB and you will find all the ansers you need. You're not getting good replies in thelast couple days, even from me, because I just have no time and many of us are having a hard time right now with various issues. It should calm down in a few days and you'll get better answers.

Pick branches from common trees that you see squirrels in. I think coconuts are fine and some of our members who live in tropical regions give them occasionally.

[Ridle]

Catching squirrels is hard. In time he will just go back to his house, and you can encourage him to do so with treats. Does he have a nice nest box to sleep in? The like somewhere comfortable that they can hide and sleep.

Please stay on TSB and you will find all the ansers you need. You're not getting good replies in thelast couple days, even from me, because I just have no time and many of us are having a hard time right now with various issues. It should calm down in a few days and you'll get better answers.

Pick branches from common trees that you see squirrels in. I think coconuts are fine and some of our members who live in tropical regions give them occasionally.


sure, i will n have to.
uhuh, hmm.. my progress report rite now should be :
Bond : now, he start to like stand on my hand or lemme grab him without any panic move from him. (ps : it's inside the cage, and when i sunbathe (outside the cage) the towel he used to sleep on).
water : i think, i got the wrong bottle, [[http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Pet-Cat-Dog-Drinking-Kit-Water-Dispenser-Bottle-Head-/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/$%28KGrHqF,!oEE8U4!mcz7BPJNfmeNcw~~60_35.JPG]] aint i? becoz it seems, that his tounge cant push the water out of bottle.
cage : still the same, from the day 1, i put a towel inside for him to sleep. and every time he eat, i sunbathe it. i got a cat drinking bottle too ( i guess) + a plastic stick (functionally like a branch for a bird to stand to) attached about 20cm higher than floor.
Activity : in the morning, i sunbathe him (inside his cage ofc). its about 1/2 hour to 1 hour. feed him 3 times a day. i think, the water he got, just from my finger feed.

seeing the bond i made, is it good enough to let him out of cage?

[Anne]

Do you speak and read a language other than Bahasa and English?

[Ridle]

Do you speak and read a language other than Bahasa and English?

yup,
maybe a lil mandarin..

why?

[Ridle]

UP :ignore

[Ridle]

UP :ignore

[farrelli]

You've posted that same entry twice. What does it mean? Are you feeling ignored? If so, what do you want to know?

[Ridle]

nah, i mean ignore the UP word..
:grin2

so the thread wont go old and down. is ok ?

[farrelli]

Ignore the UP word? I don't know what that means. Are you trying to keep your thread active? If you have something which is unanswered or for which you want attention, please say so. I don't know what you're getting at. I think the language barrier is at work here.

I hope your little guy is doing well.

[Starfish]

yeah dude, thnks.
i already read so many sites talk about squirrel before i bought him,
:D

i just got back from a petshop with a drinking bottle, long journey.. 2hrs.

but the problem now, he doesnt know how to drink from it.
so wut should i do?

Put a bit of molasses on the end. ... just a small dab with your finger.

[Starfish]

nah, firstly pls dont hate my country very much.. becoz, i think the squirrel seller bought him from squirrel farm (used to be squirrel butchery, in indonesia, it is legal to hunt and turn squirrel into a satay). <<< yaay i just saved one :D

its about 2 month, last night i let him out of cage in my room ofc (ima student, and live in some kind of dormitory). And you know what? it takes 1 hour to catch him and take it back to his cage.
i dont know how to catch him actually, T_T . . . he just hide in my pants pocket, and wont come out for a quarter hour. for the last 30 minutes, i "play hide and seek" with him .
if u have some trick to catch him, it would be very helping for me as u say, i cant let him in a cage all the time.

btw, is any branches that have no pointy side's fine? im thinking to give him an empty coconut to chew to.

-Give him a chance to get used to his cage before letting him out.

-It will be easier to catch him the evenings as he'll likely want to go back to bed.

-It can take patience. You don't want to "chase" too much (could scare him = heart attack = death). Take your time.

-Don't be upset if he bites... just a warning... it could happen, it's normal. They are wild animals.

For food, you might want to consider the henry's pets website (http://www.henryspets.com/). However, shipping could cost a fortune. Some of us in Canada tend to order Harlan Teklad Blocks (2014 or 2018 depending on age of animal) for our little guys from chinchilla.ca. However, that's probably going to be expensive shipping again.

I would recommend contacting the folks at Harlan (http://www.harlan.com/products_and_services/research_models_and_services/laboratory_animal_diets) and seeing if they have distributors for Indonesia.

Good luck.







Small Note: I believe I stumbled accross a thread on here at one point of someone closer to your area who was considering buying Versele Laga rat blocks. I ried themn over the summer. Wasn't impressed. My guys didn't like them. The prefered to make bedding out of it.

[Charley Chuckles]

OK I see your first post said he is 2 months old is this correct :thinking squirrels are not weened from their mothers for 3 months, or at least that is about the amount of time we feed the abandoned babies. He should still be taking formula, and that would be with a syringe. A baby wouldn't know how to use a water bottle or a water dish. I am concerned he is not getting proper nutrition. He is old enough to eat some solid foods but they need to be appropriate foods for a squirrel, which you can go to the "SQUIRREL NUTRITION" thread :thumbsup OK I see it is a chipmunk and I am not sure the diet? Does anyone here know if we have a diet for chipmunks? I will go look.

[Ridle]

Ignore the UP word? I don't know what that means. Are you trying to keep your thread active? If you have something which is unanswered or for which you want attention, please say so. I don't know what you're getting at. I think the language barrier is at work here.

I hope your little guy is doing well.

yeah thats what i mean.
to keep the thread still active

[Ridle]

-Give him a chance to get used to his cage before letting him out.

-It will be easier to catch him the evenings as he'll likely want to go back to bed.

-It can take patience. You don't want to "chase" too much (could scare him = heart attack = death). Take your time.

-Don't be upset if he bites... just a warning... it could happen, it's normal. They are wild animals.

For food, you might want to consider the henry's pets website (http://www.henryspets.com/). However, shipping could cost a fortune. Some of us in Canada tend to order Harlan Teklad Blocks (2014 or 2018 depending on age of animal) for our little guys from chinchilla.ca. However, that's probably going to be expensive shipping again.

I would recommend contacting the folks at Harlan (http://www.harlan.com/products_and_services/research_models_and_services/laboratory_animal_diets) and seeing if they have distributors for Indonesia.

Good luck.







Small Note: I believe I stumbled accross a thread on here at one point of someone closer to your area who was considering buying Versele Laga rat blocks. I ried themn over the summer. Wasn't impressed. My guys didn't like them. The prefered to make bedding out of it.

yeah, it so much easier to "tease" him in the night time. (i used a towel to catch him, i think he liked to be in small places, really small and dark.)
Nah, he never bite me :D .
about the food, i'll try to find out where i could find those products.

ty for your time and advices.

[Ridle]

OK I see your first post said he is 2 months old is this correct :thinking squirrels are not weened from their mothers for 3 months, or at least that is about the amount of time we feed the abandoned babies. He should still be taking formula, and that would be with a syringe. A baby wouldn't know how to use a water bottle or a water dish. I am concerned he is not getting proper nutrition. He is old enough to eat some solid foods but they need to be appropriate foods for a squirrel, which you can go to the "SQUIRREL NUTRITION" thread :thumbsup OK I see it is a chipmunk and I am not sure the diet? Does anyone here know if we have a diet for chipmunks? I will go look.

the seller told me he's about 2 months old more/less.
sorry, i dont get what's u r saying: "squirrels are not weened from their mothers for 3 months, or at least that is about the amount of time we feed the abandoned babies"
i think, they got a proper care from the squirrel mother, coz the seller bought him from a squirrel farm.

ok i will check the thread out.
thanks for your time.. :))

[Charley Chuckles]

I know nothing of chipmunks, but when I take in a baby squirrel, they will usually ween themselves in about 3 months......that is all I was saying, I just wanted to make sure the chippy you have has gotten the proper nutrition for as long as they should have it, or bone disease and a lot of problems can set in. I hope we have a thread for chippys.

[ALittleNutty]

For most of us we use "BUMP" instead of "UP" to "bump the thread back up". Good luck with your little chipmunk. :)

[Rhapsody]

Check out this website for Chipmunk INFO & DIET
http://chiptastic.webs.com/

[Ridle]

I know nothing of chipmunks, but when I take in a baby squirrel, they will usually ween themselves in about 3 months......that is all I was saying, I just wanted to make sure the chippy you have has gotten the proper nutrition for as long as they should have it, or bone disease and a lot of problems can set in. I hope we have a thread for chippys.

hehehe, i just search in wiki what the real name for this mammal.
its a Plantain squirrel, (in indonesia there's a paradox between "bajing" and "tupai" :frustratedx , google translate em <<< in Bahasa,
becoz here we called chipmunk and squirrel as tupai or bajing (which have the same meaning = squirrel) even the two of em is different) .
and i think, i am in the right freaking site :))

btw, thanks for your links and attention,

[Ridle]

For most of us we use "BUMP" instead of "UP" to "bump the thread back up". Good luck with your little chipmunk. :)

he's a squirrel . .
i see, ok thanks for the information :thumbsup

[Ridle]

just for the notification :
my progress report
bond : now he could fall asleep in my arms, and have more courage to jump into my hand :)
food : he doesnt eat the broccoli last time i gave it. T_T , his favorite is cucumber, never feel enough :LoL . Sometimes i feed him tomatoes and banana. Tomorrow gonna try another veggies
drinks : About the drinks, he drinks so small amount of water (except flavored ones = sugar added, or juice). Tried to feed water from my finger, :ignored
caging : now i have less trouble to bring him to the cage, since he's closer to me. its easier to catch him, just close his eyes and he should be calm.

P.S : i dont care if you really care about my report, i will just keep reporting when there's some changes. if you noticed something wrong, pls feel free to inform it to me. (and still practicing how to speak a right english :D)

[Mochi&Mocha]

Try more green leafy veggies :).

[Ridle]

Try more green leafy veggies :).

roger that.

[CritterMom]

Is this what he looks like?

https://www.google.com/search?q=plantain+squirrel&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=IUlJUvy3NtWu4AOiloGAAg&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=799&dpr=1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=lVlLsYNpWhcGlM%3A%3Bd_NWVvPZzP4fgM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252Fbesgroup.org%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2008%252F02%252F1112.jpg%3 Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.besgroup.org%252F2008%252F 02%252F04%252Fthree-raptors-in-one-morning%252F%3B260%3B166

[farrelli]

What are you giving him in terms of protein?

Also, if you don't know, calcium is really important in the health of a squirrel, so you'll need to find some sources of that. Perhaps if he likes yogurt you can help with the calcium and the protein in one shot. If you can't find veggies with high calcium, you can grind up a calcium supplement or egg shells or something really fine and sprinkle it on his food.

You will also have to find a source of vitamin D, which they usually get from the sun and without which the calcium won't get absorbed. Unfortunately, you will have to be very careful about this because too much D is toxic to squirrels. You'll probably have t o either get a full spectrum reptile lamp to simulate the sun or get your hands on a supplement and be very careful with the administration.

[Ridle]

Is this what he looks like?

https://www.google.com/search?q=plantain+squirrel&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=IUlJUvy3NtWu4AOiloGAAg&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=799&dpr=1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=lVlLsYNpWhcGlM%3A%3Bd_NWVvPZzP4fgM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252Fbesgroup.org%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2008%252F02%252F1112.jpg%3 Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.besgroup.org%252F2008%252F 02%252F04%252Fthree-raptors-in-one-morning%252F%3B260%3B166

Yeah, exactly!!! :thumpsup
good catch! how'd you knew it?
or u just searcch plantain squirrel? :curious

[Ridle]

What are you giving him in terms of protein?

Also, if you don't know, calcium is really important in the health of a squirrel, so you'll need to find some sources of that. Perhaps if he likes yogurt you can help with the calcium and the protein in one shot. If you can't find veggies with high calcium, you can grind up a calcium supplement or egg shells or something really fine and sprinkle it on his food.

You will also have to find a source of vitamin D, which they usually get from the sun and without which the calcium won't get absorbed. Unfortunately, you will have to be very careful about this because too much D is toxic to squirrels. You'll probably have t o either get a full spectrum reptile lamp to simulate the sun or get your hands on a supplement and be very careful with the administration.

really? egg shell is ok?
i gave the D from the Sun, 15-30 mins per day (depending on how he react, when he go to dark place thats when i think its enough :) ) .

[farrelli]

Yes, egg shell is OK. We recommend it in emergency situations where no supplements are available. it's perfectly fine and some people use it even if they have supplements available seeing that it's essentially free. Just dry it out (in an oven if necessary) and grind it to a fine powder.

What do you mean by outside? They should never be allowed outside if that's what you mean. Sun through a screen is OK, but sun through a window can block the necessary rays.

[Ridle]

Yes, egg shell is OK. We recommend it in emergency situations where no supplements are available. it's perfectly fine and some people use it even if they have supplements available seeing that it's essentially free. Just dry it out (in an oven if necessary) and grind it to a fine powder.

What do you mean by outside? They should never be allowed outside if that's what you mean. Sun through a screen is OK, but sun through a window can block the necessary rays.

yeah, why they shouldnt go outside?
its a direct sun, is it ok? i dont get it dude, so i shouldnt give him sun ray directly and instead through some glass ?
Sun through a screen (un-direct?) is OK, but sun through a window (do u mean directly?) can block the necessary rays.
it doesnt make sense if direct sun will block the rays needed. well, its just my thought, you're the expert :grin3

[Charley Chuckles]

I am guessing he means to just run free outside because they will be gone :thinking if you have a SAFE cage and you have a shaded area, putting them into direct sun can and will overheat and possibley kill them, so a shaded area is good, most windows will provide warmth, but if they have a UV coating it will block the vitamin D they do make lamp bulbs for a certain spectrum of D ...people use them when sunlight is not available in the winter. OK just a few things to consider :thumbsup

[farrelli]

We recommend that squirrels never be allowed outside because we have just SO MANY stories here of squirrels being taken outside for a few minutes of sun, play time, etc. and then get spooked for some reason and run off never to be seen again. He could run up a tree and not come down, or a million other things. We've just seen so much heartache come from this that we strongly recommend that an inside squirrel not be allowed outside. Ever. Every measure should be taken to insure that they be absolutely secured inside with no way out. If an inside squirrel gets outside without being prepared for it, it can lead to a really unfortunate end.

I mean that glass can blocks the rays necessary for vitamin D production but that screens don't. Most people supply vitamin D by giving rodent blocks to them which provide complete nutrition, but I don't think you have them. You could order them from the US, but I'm sure the shipping would be terribly expensive.

[Ridle]

I am guessing he means to just run free outside because they will be gone :thinking if you have a SAFE cage and you have a shaded area, putting them into direct sun can and will overheat and possibley kill them, so a shaded area is good, most windows will provide warmth, but if they have a UV coating it will block the vitamin D they do make lamp bulbs for a certain spectrum of D ...people use them when sunlight is not available in the winter. OK just a few things to consider :thumbsup




really? egg shell is ok?
i gave the D from the Sun, 15-30 mins per day (depending on how he react, when he go to dark place thats when i think its enough :) ) .


We recommend that squirrels never be allowed outside because we have just SO MANY stories here of squirrels being taken outside for a few minutes of sun, play time, etc. and then get spooked for some reason and run off never to be seen again. He could run up a tree and not come down, or a million other things. We've just seen so much heartache come from this that we strongly recommend that an inside squirrel not be allowed outside. Ever. Every measure should be taken to insure that they be absolutely secured inside with no way out. If an inside squirrel gets outside without being prepared for it, it can lead to a really unfortunate end.

I mean that glass can blocks the rays necessary for vitamin D production but that screens don't. Most people supply vitamin D by giving rodent blocks to them which provide complete nutrition, but I don't think you have them. You could order them from the US, but I'm sure the shipping would be terribly expensive.

i c... then, im doin it in the rite way then. :crazy i sunbathe him inside his cage, and ofc i mean when he go to dark place, it meant its inside his cage .

i dont think i can afford it dude :(

ty dude,

[Ridle]

Guys i have a bad news, and ik it would really displeasing...

my beloved Bro the Brother minion is missing.
three days ago i got him to an animal care, and they lost him :rampage
they said that his cage was open, and they dunno where he went, but they think he's went to the forest (little jungle behind their house care).
two days passed, and he didnt comeback yet.
and for the change they offer me a baby squirrel i think (they said, they bought him from the seller. and told dat he's 2 months old. he living with him about 1 month, so dey guess he's should be 3 months old now)
the problem is i dunno how to compare the age between my Bro and the new one (steve the step brother). he's look too young compared to Bro.
So i guess Bro wasnt 3 months old at all (maybe older), or Steve's too young.
Steve's eating banana is really different way compared to Bro. Bro eat like a boss (he chow it), and Steve eat it mostly sucking the banana.
i tried to find esbilac, but for now i couldnt find one. so, anyone can give me some advice to the nutrients supply?
and, im gonna upload some photos, so i can tell properly how they both look like.
and wouldcha gimme an classification for plantain squirrel age and how they look like with the age.
i have a problem with recognizing they age.
thanks for your kindness to read this a lil long post...
TYTYTYTY so much
XOXO Ridle...

P.S : soon i will close this thread, and open a new one with different topic.

[sid'smommy]

Very strange that they "lost" your pet, and you just accept another species as replacement. Now you must start all over learning how to care for this one...

[Ridle]

Yeah, exactly!!! :thumpsup
good catch! how'd you knew it?
or u just searcch plantain squirrel? :curious


hehehe, i just search in wiki what the real name for this mammal.
its a Plantain squirrel, (in indonesia there's a paradox between "bajing" and "tupai" :frustratedx , google translate em <<< in Bahasa,
becoz here we called chipmunk and squirrel as tupai or bajing (which have the same meaning = squirrel) even the two of em is different) .
and i think, i am in the right freaking site :))

btw, thanks for your links and attention,


Very strange that they "lost" your pet, and you just accept another species as replacement. Now you must start all over learning how to care for this one...

indeed, the reason seems make no sense either. (and i knew, somebody would think he was dead and i just make some story about his lost. well, thats up to you(s) to believe tho)
nah, its the same species.. you should read page 2 maybe?
the problem is the different in physic of the two of em (i dunno, maybe they age too.) and the way they eating food.
i dunno how to care this one becoz he eating banana like i told before.
Sid's Mommy, im goin to open new thread. i would be glad to have some of your advices.

[Ridle]

Thread is about to close.
please feel free to visit my new Thread "Steve the Step Brother"
i need a lil advice there. :)