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Rhapsody
08-28-2013, 09:00 PM
I do believe one of my two new precious babies that are just four weeks old has two bot flies warbles on him with poss others to come.
I have never had to deal with these critters before in my 7 years of rehabbing so a little guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Here are pics I just took tonight of the two bumps I feel are warbles growing inside my little baby --is he at risk due to his young age?
Now I will BREATHE while I wait for the WISE ELDERS of this SITE to HELP ME and MY BABIES!!

FYI --Dipper was found on the ground laying in water a week ago, cold and wet.


DIPPER (4 wks old)


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Rhapsody
08-28-2013, 11:02 PM
ANY ONE?
................ guess I will go to :sleep and check back in the morning :morning

Anne
08-29-2013, 08:42 AM
Poor precious baby! I have one now 5 weeks old with 2 warbles on her back. I am just keeping an eye on them for now. I do not like to remove bot-flys if they are not interfering with body functions. If baby can eat, see, pee/poop with no problem then just leave them alone. It is very hard to just let them stay there, always makes my skin crawl-ugh!

cnmnnaturalist
08-29-2013, 08:46 AM
Maybe a boost of nutrition will help ease the burden. Removing the bot larva is pretty traumatic, so as long as they're not really 'harming' the baby by making it hard to eat, breathe, etc, it's best to let them mature and drop out.

Rhapsody
08-29-2013, 11:02 AM
Eeeeek!! --but ok I will wait and watch ..... it will be hard, but I will do it. :eek:

Rhapsody
08-29-2013, 11:08 AM
QUESTION:
When they do emerge..... will they be larva or full fledged Bot Fly (with wings and all)?

cnmnnaturalist
08-29-2013, 12:11 PM
The length of time the larva spends in the host (including in the pupa form) is about 3 weeks.

Rhapsody
08-29-2013, 12:14 PM
Ok - so I will prob see the larva (once its out) and be able to :bash it?

cnmnnaturalist
08-29-2013, 12:53 PM
It will form a pupa (cocoon) and then the pupa will drop out when it is ready. You'll have a big hole/pocket left over from it.

Garden71
08-29-2013, 02:36 PM
:yuck:yuck

Rhapsody
08-29-2013, 02:37 PM
:yuck:yuckI am with YOU!! -- :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

MollyBear361
08-29-2013, 02:40 PM
:eek:eek:eek:eek:eek

ques96
08-29-2013, 08:59 PM
Maybe we should form a bot fly warble support group. I have 2 that have had multiple warbles and still not used to them they are really nasty! Poor little Kona is so swollen and his is oozing.

Rhapsody
08-29-2013, 09:21 PM
Maybe we should form a bot fly warble support group. I have 2 that have had multiple warbles and still not used to them they are really nasty!
Poor little Kona is so swollen and his is oozing.While it is gross.... I would like more real life pics of the warble stages so we can know what to look for --know what is going to happen. I just like to be informed.

Rhapsody
09-01-2013, 02:28 PM
QUESTION:
The two warbles are starting to ooze --is this a sign they are getting ready to emerge?

Anne
09-01-2013, 03:58 PM
Not really, just that it has reached a certain age/size. Yeah, got a little one here with one, it moved location but is still there-It is driving me crazy, I don't know how the squirrels stand them! When people get one all they want is for it to be removed-ugh-nasty things.

Rhapsody
09-06-2013, 01:43 PM
Its been about 10 days since I posted about DIPPER having having 2 botflies on his back and
I wanted to post a few pics to show every one how they progress in appearance in case some
one might want to look at for future reference..... they are starting to have drainage.


They are bigger in size, have entrance hole, with drainage. (10 days)

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tinfoil ------- > :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

Anne
09-06-2013, 03:21 PM
Yup-nasty gross things for sure. Looks like anytime now, they will drop out. Older ones are black looking!

Sweet Simon's Mommy
09-06-2013, 06:04 PM
It will get worse before it gets better....You will be able to see it looking at you and moving its ugly head around in there.
I hate them.....there are plenty on you tube if you want to see....

ques96
09-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Just thought you would like some more info. Kona's bot fly warble came out tonight. His wound right before looked like the one on your baby's side so that one is probably any day now. The one on the neck I would guess has another week or so. Here are some pictures of it. I will get pictures of the hole left behind tomorrow. It was pretty rough on him so I wanted to give him some time after I irrigated to flush out any remaining gunk.

Rhapsody
09-07-2013, 01:15 AM
It will get worse before it gets better....You will be able to see it looking at you and moving its ugly head around in there.
Yeah - I just saw the larva on his back stick its ugly head out of the hole and then it went back in. :yuck:yuck:yuck

Rhapsody
09-07-2013, 02:29 AM
I think the botfly on the upper back, maybe getting ready to emerge this weekend.... Prayers Please :Love_Icon


Baby Dipper..... (((hugs)))
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It has doubled in Size:
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YUCK!! --We saw the Larva
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farrelli
09-07-2013, 02:43 AM
Someone please tell me that bots produce a natural anesthetic and antibiotic like many ticks and leaches!

Rhapsody
09-07-2013, 02:59 AM
Someone please tell me that bots produce a natural anesthetic and antibiotic like many ticks and leaches!Not that I know of...... once the larva has come out a large hole is left behind and its up us (the keeper) to flush out the space, clean it up, then place some Neosporin on it and give antibiotics if an infection develops. I feel for the poor wild life that has to deal with this ailment on their own. (my little baby is already starting to cry a little and it breaks my heart). :Love_Icon

Rhapsody
09-07-2013, 03:10 AM
Someone please tell me that bots produce a natural anesthetic and antibiotic like many ticks and leaches!OK wait...... I did find this.

The larva secures itself with two anal hooks, secreting an antibiotic into its burrow, which staves off competing bacteria and fungi. :thumbsup :thumbsup

farrelli
09-07-2013, 03:14 AM
I have to think think that it does both, as competition/compromisation from infection of the host would impede its survival, and I think we all know how prone to self-mutilation squirrels are, so if it even itched a bit, squirrels would be digging it out all the time. As it happens, they seem to suffer it without complaint.

Rhapsody
09-09-2013, 11:07 AM
I dont know how this botfly exit thing goes...... but Dippers two botflies decided to make an apperance over
the weekend, at the same, and I thought they were emeraging, but after about 20 minutes of coming in and
out of the hole and of me trying to catch one with a pair of tweezers..... they retreated.


WARNING!! - GROSS PICS



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TubeDriver
09-09-2013, 11:16 AM
Looks like they will get out on their own in a day or two. And then little Dipper can heal up and go back to being a little cutie! :grin

SammysMom
09-09-2013, 01:52 PM
Oh dear God! The idea of sharing skin with one of those hideous creatures makes me want to faint!!! At least it appears they are getting to the end of their cycle...YUCK!!!:eek

ques96
09-09-2013, 02:06 PM
I applied light pressure underneath them so that I did not squeeze them as they stuck part way out and it seemed to help them out of the hole. It was like a disgusting birth!

TubeDriver
09-09-2013, 02:34 PM
I think the best thing is just to leave the bots alone and let them hatch. Then you can clean and treat the wounds with a topical antibiotic cream. They should heal up really quickly.

Rhapsody
09-09-2013, 04:55 PM
We are waiting patiently...... the exit hole seems to have gotten bigger since their 1st appearance was made over the weekend,
and I can see the big booger thats on the back (look @ me) when I am feeding Dipper, so I'm sure its any time now. :eek

SammysMom
09-09-2013, 05:04 PM
Oh Rhapsody...you are a brave soul! :bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

Nancy in New York
09-09-2013, 05:25 PM
These are such nasty looking creatures.
This poor baby. :(
And ques96 I'm glad that your little Kona has
gotten rid of his. YUCK!

lennysmom
09-09-2013, 09:53 PM
Oh my, I hate the nasty little things! My release Lenny has one I'm pretty sure. Although, since he is in the wild, I doubt I will see it hatch... Geez, I'm getting nauseated thinking about it! Sweet little squirrels should never have to deal with disgusting parasites like that!! Anyhow, the pics you posted confirmed my belief Lenny also has a bot... thanks for sharing. Hope your little one heals quick!!

Sweet Simon's Mommy
09-10-2013, 08:08 AM
yuck:Love_Icon

MsOakley
09-10-2013, 09:46 AM
Just another point of view...I pull mine. I believe it's hard on the baby's health to endure these parasites. You have to wait until they're big enough to get a firm grip with a pair of hemostats (much better then tweezers). You open the hemostats and go into the warble with them on both sides of the larvae. Then close them and pull straight out. I then flush with diluted chlorhexidine,an antiseptic that has been more effective then betadine for this purpose. Flush once daily to avoid infection. Try to keep it from scabbing over until it's healed. If it seems infected do a course of septra (antibiotic). I've had great success with this method over the 9 years of rehabbing. I actually pull for other local rehabbers as I have a reputation as the "botfly queen". How's that for something to be proud of...LOL.

Rhapsody
09-10-2013, 12:31 PM
I've had great success with this method over the 9 years of rehabbing.
I actually pull for other local rehabbers as I have a reputation as the "botfly queen".
How's that for something to be proud of...LOL.:osnap :skwredup :rofl4:rofl4:rofl4 :thumbsup5

Garden71
09-10-2013, 12:54 PM
:yuck:yuck:yuck:yuck:yuck:yuck:yuck
There goes my lunch...

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 01:31 AM
Ok - I am getting quit concerned about Dipper...... he's had the bot fly for 3-4 weeks now and while the two bugs have shown
themselves a few times I am not so sure they are ready to come out any time soon and from what I have been reading about
them online it could actually take any where from 5-12 weeks for the warble to emerge in its pupa stage.

The bot fly on Dippers back is starting to look a nasty red and it has a foul smell to it --and when I weighed Dipper tonight he had
actually lost 5 grams, going from 110 grams to 105 grams, all while his cage mate put on weight: going from 85 to 105 grams.

I am thinking I might need to pull these bot fly for Dippers over all health needs..... What do you think?

BTW --no one told me these ugly creatures ate their host inner tissues while inside. :pissed :yuck


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Botfly Info:
http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/misc/flies/human_bot_fly.htm

jbillings
09-12-2013, 01:36 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but have you tried the vasoline approach that Jackie mentioned in the other Bot Fly thread?

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 01:58 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but have you tried the vasoline approach that Jackie mentioned in the other Bot Fly thread? I havent tried any thing yet...... we were waiting to let them come out naturally, hence why I felt I had to post about my concern tonight.

NOW!! --I'm waiting to here back from the members that have more exp in this field and know more about warbles than I do.....
I want to hear what they feel I should do next.... wait a little longer or pull them both????

jbillings
09-12-2013, 02:11 AM
Poor little guy! They are nasty! I can only imagine how they feel! I am literally getting chills down my spine just looking at them! Yuk :shakehead

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 06:52 PM
tinfoil tinfoil :grin2 :grin2 :grin3 :grin2 :grin2 tinfoil tinfoil

HURRAH!! :crazy Those Nasty Things are GONE!! :gun2

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 06:55 PM
Top Back Hole after the Warble is GONE!!
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Resting after Both Warbles are GONE!!
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Size of the 2 Nasty Boogers....... :soapbox
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jbillings
09-12-2013, 07:03 PM
Chills....running down spine! Thank God they are out! Little guy must be so relieved! How did you get them out?

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 07:53 PM
How did you get them out?I pulled them after pushing at the base. The one on the back came out fairly easy, but the one on the side struggled before he gave up the fight.

MJS
09-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Chills....running down spine! Thank God they are out! Little guy must be so relieved! How did you get them out?

YES!!! YES!!! INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!! :poke :eek :poke :eek

SammysMom
09-12-2013, 08:14 PM
Thank goodness! These things give me nightmares!!!:eek

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 08:22 PM
Thank goodness! These things give me nightmares!!!:eekMe too...... I always feel dirty like some thing is on me after I see them. :eek

Rhapsody
09-12-2013, 08:29 PM
Dipper being such a trooper during the first extraction....... :tilt


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SammysMom
09-12-2013, 08:40 PM
Oh Dipper...you are such a sweet baby!!!:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

jbillings
09-12-2013, 09:08 PM
What a little trooper! He needs lots of lovin and spoilin after his horrible ordeal :grouphug I'm sure he already gets tons of it anyway :Love_Icon

kastillo
09-12-2013, 09:40 PM
I wish there was a way to get them off my releases. I know they all have at least 3-4 warbles on each. Some of them I've counted 5 or more. Houdini dropped one the other day while I was outside giving them their daily nut treats. He came for a nut, saw the larvae looking ready to come out, Houdini came back for the second nut, he had a hole where the larvae was.
I looked all over the ground to find where it had dropped so I could get rid of it..... Well I found it, already attracting flies and ants. Ugh, I flushed that sucker down the toilet.

So glad litter Dipper's ordeal is over. Must be so rough on such a young one. Good job momma for sticking through it without puking!:thumbsup

:Love_IconDipper:Love_Icon

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 12:48 AM
Question for the PRO's --
Was the awful smell coming from the warble on the upper back normal? --the discharge was dark in color at times
and got slung all the over the place when little Dipper would move faster or jump. :dono

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 12:39 PM
Dipper woke up this morning looking so much better, having a lot of energy with a good appetite.
He does have some pus coming out of the open hole on the back that I will watch today.

SammysMom
09-13-2013, 01:06 PM
If you have some betadine or can get some, flushing with a VERY diluted solution of water and betadine is probably a good idea. Pus and odor is a bit worrisome, but not sure if it is normal with these yucky bots.

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 01:19 PM
If you have some betadine or can get some, flushing with a VERY diluted solution of water and betadine is probably a good idea. Pus and odor is a bit worrisome, but not sure if it is normal with these yucky bots.The odor was there before the warble was removed..... I was wanting to know if it was normal for it to smell when the warble was in the body of the squirrel. Since the warble has been removed the smell is no longer around. It has been about 17 hours since the warble has been removed and I noticed some pus coming out of the upper hole on the back when the squirrel moved (the hole with the previous smell), so I gentle squeezed it and more pus came out..... then I cleaned it up and put some Neosporin on it.

I will have my husband pick up some Betadine on his way home from work tonight.

TubeDriver
09-13-2013, 01:28 PM
The odor was there before the warble was removed..... I was wanting to know if it was normal for it to smell when the warble was in the body of the squirrel. Since the warble has been removed the smell is no longer around. It has been about 17 hours since the warble has been removed and I noticed some pus coming out of the upper hole on the back when the squirrel moved (the hole with the previous smell), so I gentle squeezed it and more pus came out..... then I cleaned it up and put some Neosporin on it.

I will have my husband pick up some Betadine on his way home from work tonight.

Here is something to think about before using Neosporin:


I now realize my response may have sounded a bit rude, it wasn't meant to be :)

However, I think you brought up an important discussion point when you said a lot of people on this board use Neosporin. I actually just did a search and found a surprising number of threads in which this was recommended for rodents. This worries me, because even though I might not know much about what is safe to use on rodents, I certainly know that Neosporin is NOT safe.

The main problem is the neomycin it contains. When used on shallow scrapes on humans there are seldom any problems (except allergic reactions in some people). However, when delivered parenterally (in deep wounds or through injection) nephrotoxicity (kidney damage) and ototoxicity (ear damage) generally ocurrs. This damage is usually irreversable. This is why Neosporin and other "tripple antibiotic" ointments always say not to use on deep or puncture wounds.

Now with rodents this is even more of a problem. Because Neosporin is formulated for human needs, this makes it several times more potent when used on small mammals. When applied to a "surface wound" on a squirrel, the effects on the animal are as harmful as if you were to inject it into your blood with a syringe! If the thought of the squirrel suffering tinnitus, vertigo, hearing loss, and acute tubular necrosis isn't enough to spook you; if the squirrel licks and ingests some of the ointment, it can wipe out all bacteria in the intestines - causing a whole load of nutritional problems.

Next time you hear someone say they are using Neosporin (or any "triple antibiotic), tell them Ken said not to :shakehead. A better thing to use would be Polysporin, which is the same thing but with only the polypeptides (bacitracin and polymyxin) which are much safer then neomycin (which is an aminoglycoside).

Again, I don't mean to come across as a mean know-it-all or anything, just want to make sure people are aware of problems this common ointment can cause, since our little critters don't always tell us they're having side effects :)

Baxied
09-13-2013, 01:35 PM
I've not had any experience with bots in a squirrel in my custody, but I have been watching my wilds with them very closely. They all come to my deck in the morning and evenings to take treats from my hand, so I can always get a good look at them. The bots have emerged this week, and none of my squees have pus. One dropped its larvae on my deck in the morning :eek and had a gaping, bloody looking hole. By evening the hole was closed and the next morning it was dry and flat. All of my wilds have healed nicely with no signs of drainage whatsoever. I think you need to irrigate the hole with a very weak Betadine solution and watch it very closely, and you may want to start AB's just to be on the safe side. What an ordeal for you both!!!! This had to be so taxing on his little system and hard for you to watch. I'm hoping little Dipper is on the road to a swift recovery.

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 01:49 PM
I think you need to irrigate the hole with a very weak Betadine solution and watch it very closely, and you may want to start AB's just to be on the safe side.
What an ordeal for you both!!!! This had to be so taxing on his little system and hard for you to watch. I'm hoping little Dipper is on the road to a swift recovery.Yes, it has been a hard path to travel with this little one.... being so young and all. I think the warble on the upper back was a bad one
from the get go. It drained, oozed, and smelled all the way through while the one on the side gave us no problem what so ever.

I have some Amoxi (500 mg) on hand / Dipper weighs 105 grams --if any thinks he needs it and wants to dose the med.

:thankyou :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 02:47 PM
A few PICS of DIPPER with out the botflies..... the day after. :grin


Camera Shy -
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Still Hiding from the Camera -
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Looking for some HHB -
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/008_zpsbf1c7f49.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/008_zpsbf1c7f49.jpg.html)

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Nancy in New York
09-13-2013, 02:47 PM
A couple of years ago, I had my vet remove a couple of bots on two little squirrels, the following morning, like Baxied, there was barely even a sign of the hole left.
I would flush as suggested and definitely start a course of abs. especially is you are seeing pus.:thumbsup

ques96
09-13-2013, 02:50 PM
IMO I would hold off on ABs a few days. Kona and Cooper both had nasty drainage for a day or two but I flushed it out with diluted betadine solution and even had some come out that looked like cottage cheese. they are both recovering very well and wounds look great. I think what you are seeing is the baggage left behind by the bot.

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 02:53 PM
IMO I would hold off on ABs a few days. Kona and Cooper both had nasty drainage for a day or two but I flushed it out with diluted betadine solution and even
had some come out that looked like cottage cheese. they are both recovering very well and wounds look great. I think what you are seeing is the baggage left behind by the bot.Thats what I was thinking too...... as there was no pus at their next feeding.
I will keep on eye it and if I see the pus return I will start the meds.

Once again he weighs 105 grams if some one can dose Amoxi for that. Thanks.

P.S.
He does shake a lot when walking like the holes are a bother to him now --did yours do that?

TubeDriver
09-13-2013, 02:55 PM
He looks great! Dipper sans bot! :thumbsup If the exit hole is no longer producing any pus/waste than it is probably fine and should close up in a few days.


No more Neosporin. It can cause Vertigo and tinnitus in rodents.

Nancy in New York
09-13-2013, 02:56 PM
IMO I would hold off on ABs a few days. Kona and Cooper both had nasty drainage for a day or two but I flushed it out with diluted betadine solution and even had some come out that looked like cottage cheese. they are both recovering very well and wounds look great. I think what you are seeing is the baggage left behind by the bot.

Funny that you post this, because while I did think abs would be the course of action, I looked in the book and it says, "Most of the times the wounds heal, requiring no treatment. At times these pockets can become infected and require treatment."
So perhaps waiting another day may be the way to go, see if it looks better on its own.:dono
Page 162 of the WMB book.

Nancy in New York
09-13-2013, 02:57 PM
Thats what I was thinking too...... as there was no pus at their next feeding.
I will keep on eye it and if I see the pus return I will start the meds.

Once again he weighs 105 grams if some one can dose Amoxi for that. Thanks.

P.S.
He does shake a lot when walking like the holes are a bother to him now --did yours do that?


Oh yes, I can dose the abs.
Do you need this broken down, or is it in suspension?

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Funny that you post this, because while I did think abs would be the course of action, I looked in the book and it says, "Most of the times the wounds heal, requiring no treatment. At times these pockets can become infected and require treatment."
So perhaps waiting another day may be the way to go, see if it looks better on its own.:dono
Page 162 of the WMB book.You guys are the BEST!! --and thats why I started this thread... so we could learn by seeing the process on PICS and through talking it out and discussing it.
I love TSB and all the WONDERFUL PEOPLE on IT!! :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Oh yes, I can dose the abs.
Do you need this broken down, or is it in suspension?Suspension in water please. :)

Nancy in New York
09-13-2013, 03:07 PM
Suspension in water please. :)

OK so you have a 500mg pill that you want broken down for dosing, correct?
You want to know how much water to add and then the amount to give?

SammysMom
09-13-2013, 03:09 PM
Oh Rhapsody, you gave us a play by play of something that will help others in the future for sure! Thank-you for sharing this disgusting tale...:grin3
You are a wonderful squammy who has done a terrific job of caring for this sweet baby.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 03:09 PM
OK so you have a 500mg pill that you want broken down for dosing, correct?
You want to know how much water to add and then the amount to give?CORRECT!!

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Oh Rhapsody, you gave us a play by play of something that will help others in the future for sure! Thank-you for sharing this disgusting tale...:grin3I didnt want any of my FRIENDS to miss out on all the FUN!! - :grin3

SammysMom
09-13-2013, 03:13 PM
I didnt want any of my FRIENDS to miss out on all the FUN!! - :grin3

And we certainly are ever so grateful!!! :poke:sanp3

Nancy in New York
09-13-2013, 03:17 PM
CORRECT!!

Perfect, I just sent the info in a pm to you. :grouphug

Rhapsody
09-13-2013, 03:21 PM
Perfect, I just sent the info in a pm to you. :grouphug :thankyou :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :thankyou

stepnstone
09-13-2013, 05:01 PM
I didnt want any of my FRIENDS to miss out on all the FUN!! - :grin3



And we certainly are ever so grateful!!! :poke:sanp3

Fun would not be my word of choice but I too am grateful.
Grateful that it's over... :yuck
Good job Rhap :grouphug

MJS
09-13-2013, 11:06 PM
I'M SO GLAD THAT THOSE AWFUL THINGS ARE GONE...POOR LITTLE GUY. HE SURE HAS TAKEN IT WELL...WHAT A SWEETHEART!!! :Love_Icon DIPPER :Love_Icon

Rhapsody
09-15-2013, 10:16 AM
All is well..... :alright.gif :alright.gif :alright.gif :alright.gif

The two warble exit holes are healing up nicely, no more pus.
Dippers appetite is enormous and is including the wonderful hhb now.


Dipper's 1st time at drinking his FV from a bowl -- with buddy Stan: :thumbsup
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/001_zpsf0c2d307.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/001_zpsf0c2d307.jpg.html)

SammysMom
09-15-2013, 10:31 AM
Dipper looks wonderful! I love the name Stan!:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

Nancy in New York
09-15-2013, 06:54 PM
What precious little peanuts. :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

JLM27
09-15-2013, 08:04 PM
What cutie pies!

TubeDriver
09-17-2013, 02:28 PM
Dipper! :wave123

Rhapsody
09-24-2013, 01:25 PM
Just wanted to add....... the warble site on Dipper's side never returned to its flatten stage and today while feeding him
I squeezed on the bump and it pooped, oozing out yellow pus and blood --an abscess left over from the once infected
warble hole that smelled real bad while they were in him.

He has been treated with Betadine and is doing well...... playing and eating as nothing has changed. :)

TubeDriver
09-24-2013, 01:40 PM
Just wanted to add....... the warble site on Dipper's side never returned to its flatten stage and today while feeding him
I squeezed on the bump and it pooped, oozing out yellow pus and blood --an abscess left over from the once infected
warble hole that smelled real bad while they were in him.

He has been treated with Betadine and is doing well...... playing and eating as nothing has changed. :)

Glad this is almost over. Just keep an eye on it (I know you already are)!

Rhapsody
02-19-2014, 06:00 PM
Wanted to add PICS to this thread to show it had an HAPPY ENDING...... Dipper (& Stan) was RELEASED!! :bunny :banana:banana

Here are a few PICS of Dipper today --He is Looking Good!! :thumbsup5


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/023_zps6052f8c6.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/023_zps6052f8c6.jpg.html)


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/024_zps2fed4168.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/024_zps2fed4168.jpg.html)


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/026_zpsdd745175.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/026_zpsdd745175.jpg.html)


Full Body Shot --Carefully Checking out a SCARY Pine Cone - lol
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Rhapsody_1/Botfly/022_zps803563aa.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Rhapsody_1/media/Botfly/022_zps803563aa.jpg.html)

island rehabber
02-19-2014, 09:27 PM
He is one beautiful, BOT-FREE boy! :thumbsup

Clutch&StuartsMommy
10-23-2017, 02:00 PM
My very first squirrel I ever had was also found on the group and had two bit flies. He was surviving with them but to me not growing/thriving as most I had seen his age. The vet tried a oil drop to put in the opening wound and as time progressed, he still was just surviving. We chose to remove the boy fly. Within days he was SO MUCH more lively and immediately you could see a change in over all better health-as well as growing. Just my personal experience. They are parasites....

Clutch&StuartsMommy
10-23-2017, 02:02 PM
My very first squirrel I ever had was also found on the group and had two bit flies. He was surviving with them but to me not growing/thriving as most I had seen his age. The vet tried a oil drop to put in the opening wound and as time progressed, he still was just surviving. We chose to remove the boy fly. Within days he was SO MUCH more lively and immediately you could see a change in over all better health-as well as growing. Just my personal experience. They are parasites....
Stupid phone keeps correcting the "botfly" to bit fly and boy fly. Apologies