Squirrel with a paralyzed leg, need amputated? Pro's/Con's

[Monipenny]

Approx. 9 month old squirrel with a paralyzed back leg, had been this way from day one when I first received her last August. About a month ago or so, she developed a sore midway between her hip and foot on the inside of this leg, at first was a very minor scrape. I am guessing from continuous rubbing on the edible log (store bought) when she would climb up and rest on top of it. I had removed it from her cage for this reason.

The scrape turned into a larger open wound, would scab, then scab disappeared (assuming she chewed the scabs off) which was when I bought and began using the Dr. Gold's itch relief spray. I had been treating it with a variety of things between peroxide, neosporine, Dr. Gold's fast acting itch relief and recently Gentocin. Her wound no longer scabs, hasn't for over two weeks now, which was when I started her on baytril. This wound will not heal. I am now debating wether or not her leg should be amputated as a last resort. I have called and left a message with my vet waiting for his call back, in the mean time I would really like opinions of those of you who have experience with a leg paralized squirrel who has gone this route. Thank you.

[farrelli]

Can you provide a picture? Perhaps she's licking or chewing it so that it doesn't heal. Maybe an e-collar would work or a bandage around his middle so that he can't reach it? We have a few people with squirrels with paralysis on here who can help. How paralyzed is she?

[Monipenny]

I don't know how to send pics, I can take a picture or two and put it on my computer but from there I am lost.

The back right leg is completely paralyzed, it just drags. This baby was found on a wood deck last August. The vet deemed it neurological damage. I had looked for a small e-collar at pet stores, no such luck. I could try some kind of bandage around her mid section but I suspect that she would still be able to reach the wound.

[farrelli]

Here's how you post a pic:

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30

Here's an example of a squirrel with a bandage and how you apply it:

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26617&page=2

We have one lady who regularly applies e-collars, and if she doesn't show up soon, I'll PM weedot and point her to this.

I've got to go out for awhile. I'm sure others will tell you all about self-mutilation that you have to watch out for.

If you want to post a video, you have to use Youtube, photobucket, etc. Or I can do it for you.

[CritterMom]

We have several people here with three legged squirrels and they get along GREAT. Once that dead leg is gone and doesn't have to be dragged around they can move fast enough that their humans are chasing them down whimpering "But you are supposed to be handicapped...!"

I suggest you send a PM to Jackie in Tampa - she has lots of experience in this. After seeing what I have seen on this board I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this if need be. You just need to be sure that your vet will do right by you with pain meds - they can be very stubborn about that. It is another reason I am shoving you at Jackie - pretty sure she does a combination of tramadol and then 12 hours later metacam, but getting all of the particulars beforehand will help all of you.

[Jackie in Tampa]

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sorry to read this... however, before you do an amputation, please try so wound care and pain management... and an ecolar til things get right..

first let me say, and I am not trying to scare you..
a sq can chew massive wounds in hours... the ecollar is a must, I will post a link where you can have one shipped overnight or two links where you can make one DIY..

http://www.henryspets.com/rodent-e-collar/

http://ratballs.com/RatTails/Tails084.html

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ecollar.htm

as for topical, sulfedene and human insulin.. mixed to a ratio of 1 ounce sulfadene and 1 ml/cc of insulin; stored in fridge for upto seven days and slathered on wound 1-3 times a day with a craft stick..ecollar a MUST.. as is constant hydration, all wounds weep..
keep his organs hydrated so he can heal quicker..
keep himn comfy so as he is stress free, adding extra protien to diet will also expedite healing...
feed yogurt, as dgestion is the root to healing.. we need nutrition..
keeping hm content rather than bored will help with chewing..
a good pain reliever, and a good AB...
time...
seeing you have had him for many months, I am sure you are feeding well and doing your all, please don't take my post wrong.. I am a worrier..
I have seen skin granulate using the insulin and sulfadene.. I have seen WOW....worth a try..:Love_Icon :thumbsup
I have also been the care giver to several amputtees..
and paralysed as well...
sending good vibes to you...

here's a pic of a foot that was fine the night before...

next two are Chef's{xooxooxox} belly wound..look at the dates..:)

and last pics are Spicette, whose entire face degloved and who was released...:tilt {love you Spicette}
it's good stuff.. my vet turned me on to this:)

edit..forgive alll the missed letters... you know who I live with...:D

[Jackie in Tampa]

and as for forever care.. lambs wool... no tree limbs.. everything soft and fluffy, constant clean, long cage better than tall cage.. everything covered in 'soft'..
regular baths...urine scald will damage skin and create constant wounds...
ABs are effective only so many times.. there is nothing being brewed in the labs currently, baytril/cipro is the big boy right now..

and proper nutrition is a must... this kiddo does not need any MBD issues...
are you supplimenting with a block? and the healthy diet??
:poke :D he is a forever sq and needs his health!:Love_Icon

there are many members that will be able to help you with ideas... weedot, sweet simon's mommy,krsitin ward, honey is a normal sq, but she is an amputtee...
alana, philomycus {user name}, had a paralysed sq named Rocky who had two amputations... I would def give her a shout... she is also a vet:bowdown :alright.gif
thanks for asking others...and looking out for him..:):wave123

[Monipenny]

Jackie, Thank you, I will look at those links for ecollar suggestions. We have a vet appointment this Friday at 2:00pm. I will talk to the vet about the medicine you recommend and try to get those from him. Lily is on Henrys healthy blocks and a variety of vegetables, one small piece of fruit per day. I use the food list from Henry's site, 2 nuts per day. Yard food, twigs, pine cones, etc., I have offered her plain yogurt many times, she turns her nose up to it. However, I can usually get her to drink milk with yogurt. I follow a strict diet for my babies. Her cage is wider than it is tall, only about 2 1/2 feet tall. I place a felt lining on the bottom of her cage due to her bum leg which she loves to distort it while crawling under it.

[Monipenny]

What food source beside meal worms, etc., for protien?

[farrelli]

If you're giving a couple HHBs a day, you should be set for protein. Mean worms are high in phosphorous and contribute to MBD. They should only be treats.

I've PM's Weedot who has lots of experience getting e-collars to fit properly.

[Monipenny]

Thanks Farrelli, I have checked Henry's site for the e-collar but they are out of stock, I will keep checking back on that.

[Nancy in New York]

Thanks Farrelli, I have checked Henry's site for the e-collar but they are out of stock, I will keep checking back on that.


They have the xtra small at this site. :dono
http://www.petco.com/product/113494/Petco-Dog-E-Collar.aspx#description-tab

[IrishHarps]

Isn't there a tutorial on how to make your own e-collar on TSB somewhere? I swear I have seen it before...

[Jackie in Tampa]

What food source beside meal worms, etc., for protien?
I recommend adding a liquid suppliment nutrition at this time..
FV or Boost is an avenue to add EXTRA whey isolate protien powder AND the YOGURT.

I use weak dilute betedine in a syringe to flush wounds..
would be great to get a pic.

good luck at the vet...

PS I gave both my ecollars away recently, no spares, uggh.

[CritterMom]

Isn't there a tutorial on how to make your own e-collar on TSB somewhere? I swear I have seen it before...


Someone with some time needs to go through "Merman"s posts - he uses a dixie cup and makes a great collar with it but there are a couple threads to look through...

[Jackie in Tampa]

How to Make a Shot-Glass Style E-Collar

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2006.JPG
My Gizmo wearing an E-Collar after being neutered
Deep Appreciation is given to Jen Bailey (GC's Xfilefan) for these illustrated directions
http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2001.JPGStep 1: Trace template (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ecollar.htm#85888519) onto clear plastic notebook cover, then cut out.






http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2002.JPGStep 2: 1 sheet Dr. Scholl's Molefoam: cut 2 strips ¼” along long edge.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2003.JPG
Step 3: Remove one adhesive strip and stick one on top of another leaving one adhesive strip for later.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2004.JPGStep 4: Cut ¾” off of dual layer molefoam- remove backing and adhere to clear plastic as shown.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2005.JPGStep 5: 1 sheet Dr. Scholl's Moleskin- cut a strip 1-3/8” wide down length





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2006.JPGStep 6: Cut slits ½” deep at ½ “ intervals down length




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2007.JPGStep 7: Turn collar over, molefoam side down. Remove backing from moleskin. Affix uncut edge to collar- about ¼” of it



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2008.JPGStep 8: From the middle of moleskin- wrap around over molefoam, maintaining contours. Trim excess moleskin from edge.



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2009.JPGStep 9: Cut 1/2” strip from moleskin



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2010.JPGStep 10: Remove backing and adhere over slitted mole skin.




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2011.JPGStep 11: Cut 1 strip 1-3/4” long X 5/8” wide



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2012.JPGStep 12: Remove backing and place on edge of collar




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2013.JPGStep 13: Wrap around edge of collar




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2014.JPGStep 14: Apply a small amount of duct tape, Fold a small amount of duct tape over to make a tab for easy removal.


http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2015.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2016.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2017.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2018.JPG
These photos show the finished e-collar...


Click here for instructions on How to Put the E-Collar on Your Glider (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ecollar.htm#86080514)



Shot Glass-Style Template






E-Collar Template
Courtesy of Dawn & Bourbon from the Self-Mutilator Site (http://sm.all4gliders.com/)
http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Template.jpg
This template is for a shot-glass style E-Collar
For a true-to-size print out of this template, along with complete instructions on making an e-collar, please Click Here! (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/E%20Collar%20Directions.pdf)



Putting E-Collar On






How to Put an E-Collar on Your Glider

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2002.JPGStep 1: Cut a strip of duct tape about 1.5" wide, then fold 1/4" over and stick to itself, making a tab for easy removal. Set this piece aside (I stick just a bit of it to the edge of my kitchen counter). Then, cut another strip of duct tape about 1" wide, then fold 1/4" over and stick to itself. Set this piece aside also.



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2001.JPGStep 2: Place 1.5" wide strip of duct tape along edge of E-Collar, as shown, keeping folded over tab exposed at unattached end.






http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2003.JPGStep 3: Having an assistant hold glider securely, wrap E-Collar around glider's neck, overlapping edges of collar, then stick the duct tape to the overlapped edge, rubbing down along duct tape to ensure secure attachment of tape.




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2004.JPGStep 4: Attach 1" strip of duct tape to inside of collar about half-way down length, as shown, keeping folded over tab exposed at unattached end.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2005.JPGStep 5: Fold duct tape over and attach to outside of e-collar, rubbing down along duct tape to ensure secure attachment of tape.

[CritterMom]

How to Make a Shot-Glass Style E-Collar

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2006.JPG
My Gizmo wearing an E-Collar after being neutered
Deep Appreciation is given to Jen Bailey (GC's Xfilefan) for these illustrated directions
http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2001.JPGStep 1: Trace template (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ecollar.htm#85888519) onto clear plastic notebook cover, then cut out.






http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2002.JPGStep 2: 1 sheet Dr. Scholl's Molefoam: cut 2 strips ¼” along long edge.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2003.JPG
Step 3: Remove one adhesive strip and stick one on top of another leaving one adhesive strip for later.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2004.JPGStep 4: Cut ¾” off of dual layer molefoam- remove backing and adhere to clear plastic as shown.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2005.JPGStep 5: 1 sheet Dr. Scholl's Moleskin- cut a strip 1-3/8” wide down length





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2006.JPGStep 6: Cut slits ½” deep at ½ “ intervals down length




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2007.JPGStep 7: Turn collar over, molefoam side down. Remove backing from moleskin. Affix uncut edge to collar- about ¼” of it



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2008.JPGStep 8: From the middle of moleskin- wrap around over molefoam, maintaining contours. Trim excess moleskin from edge.



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2009.JPGStep 9: Cut 1/2” strip from moleskin



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2010.JPGStep 10: Remove backing and adhere over slitted mole skin.




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2011.JPGStep 11: Cut 1 strip 1-3/4” long X 5/8” wide



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2012.JPGStep 12: Remove backing and place on edge of collar




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2013.JPGStep 13: Wrap around edge of collar




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2014.JPGStep 14: Apply a small amount of duct tape, Fold a small amount of duct tape over to make a tab for easy removal.


http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2015.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2016.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2017.JPG http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ECollar%20Step%2018.JPG
These photos show the finished e-collar...


Click here for instructions on How to Put the E-Collar on Your Glider (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/ecollar.htm#86080514)



Shot Glass-Style Template






E-Collar Template
Courtesy of Dawn & Bourbon from the Self-Mutilator Site (http://sm.all4gliders.com/)
http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Template.jpg
This template is for a shot-glass style E-Collar
For a true-to-size print out of this template, along with complete instructions on making an e-collar, please Click Here! (http://www.suzsugargliders.com/E%20Collar%20Directions.pdf)



Putting E-Collar On






How to Put an E-Collar on Your Glider

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2002.JPGStep 1: Cut a strip of duct tape about 1.5" wide, then fold 1/4" over and stick to itself, making a tab for easy removal. Set this piece aside (I stick just a bit of it to the edge of my kitchen counter). Then, cut another strip of duct tape about 1" wide, then fold 1/4" over and stick to itself. Set this piece aside also.



http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2001.JPGStep 2: Place 1.5" wide strip of duct tape along edge of E-Collar, as shown, keeping folded over tab exposed at unattached end.






http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2003.JPGStep 3: Having an assistant hold glider securely, wrap E-Collar around glider's neck, overlapping edges of collar, then stick the duct tape to the overlapped edge, rubbing down along duct tape to ensure secure attachment of tape.




http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2004.JPGStep 4: Attach 1" strip of duct tape to inside of collar about half-way down length, as shown, keeping folded over tab exposed at unattached end.





http://www.suzsugargliders.com/Putting%20ECollar%20On%20Step%2005.JPGStep 5: Fold duct tape over and attach to outside of e-collar, rubbing down along duct tape to ensure secure attachment of tape.


This needs to be a sticky.

[Jackie in Tampa]

Someone with some time needs to go through "Merman"s posts - he uses a dixie cup and makes a great collar with it but there are a couple threads to look through...
can you click the other link and copy paste it as well, I am not getting the pics included when I copy paste..uggh.
ty...

moneipenny..only one leg is affected????
so not a spine injury???
have you ever squeezed his foot with hemostats to verify nerve damage??
does he move his toes? have any feeling???

[weedot]

For some reason I dont get emails when I get PM any more.

Sorry for not know that I was pointed to this page. here is MOOSes page if you want to see what I have gone through with him.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35890

Make sure that e-callor is way past the nose, they will get to those legs around it, also you will have to left the food off the plate for them to eat. I have bought a metal ( not wood) skewer and zip ties his block to it and stab all veggie to it.
I have Henry e collar that is built up. I have it on stand by with Moose, the pain will come and go, you must e collar untill the wound is completely healed and no scab they will go after it. make sure to give her our of callor time with YOU ONLY. Moose is 9 mos as well he stated at 13 mos at his ankels, then after that heal we where good for a while then he whent after his knees, that just healed and we are good for now. i check him a lot all day and make sure there is a ton of wood for him in cage and try to give he alot of play time so he sleeps well when he is sleep. get the engery out that he may use to on hisself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/weedot/20130206_140752_0_zps8f169951.jpg


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[Monipenny]

Sorry, I have been busy. Had Lily at the vet today, I got PZI insulin and silver sulfadiazine, is that what you were talking about Jackie? I wrote it the way you had it spelled but my vet seem to think this is what you were talking about. He was curious about the insulin, asked what kind? I had no idea since there was no mention of what kind. So he googled and found a report on this done in 1969.

To try to answer your questions, yes only one leg is affected, as best as I know, no spinal injuries, vet deemed it neurological. Have not done squeezed her foot, though when I massage her foot and leg, she sits still for it and seems to enjoy it. She does not move her toes, but she is able to manipulate herself into positions to put her leg where she wants it, I have seen her able to sit up for a second or two on both hind legs while trying to groom her face.

Looks like I may have to make the ecollar. Jackie before I mix these medicines, can you verify what I have are the correct things, thanks.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:bowdown yep...you got it:alright.gif ...
mix it as posted and keep in fridge for upto 7 days

I slather it on with a wood craft/popsicle stick..
the SS is an antibiotic for gram neg and gram pos...
it's anti microbial as well {works great for yeast type infections}...

SS is on the Walmart $4 in a 50 gram tub.

what did vet recommend for pain? for nuero issues?
what was the prognosis?

sending good vibes to you and Lily...

[Charley Chuckles]

My Charley wouldn't wear a collar....but he wore a vest we made most of his life which kept him from chewing himself, and it worked. I will just put up the pics, if you are interested in trying something like this PM me and I can call you, or email you all the specifics :thumbsup
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[Charley Chuckles]

CC also had back leg paralyses, I think he broke his back when he fell out of the tree, but I worked with him daily from the first day I got him, till the last day he left me(8 and a half years later) and he was able to get around just fine /not a releasable however :grouphug Hope this helps you in some way :thumbsup
By the way his sore on his back healed as soon as I started giving him HHB :thumbsup

[Monipenny]

Hi Jackie, vet didn't give a prognosis, nothing for pain or neuro issues. At first the vet talked about amputation but I told him, I want to save the leg and treat the wound and amputate as a last resort, so I told him about your medicine recommendation (new to him) but he was game. I know I can give her .1 cc of infant motrin if she is in pain but she doesn't act like she is in any pain, I am guessing she doesn't feel pain if her leg is paralized :dono I am making the ecollar from a coffee can lid, just thought of this while drinking my coffee. If Lily pitches a fit about wearing this colllar CC, I'll be sending you a pm. I really appreciate everyone's help here.

[Monipenny]

CC, I noticed the recent date of your loss, I am so sorry. I lost an 8 week old baby last night. Sudden vomiting and terrible itch :dono No idea what happened, I hydrated her immediatly, but she passed within 2 hours. I am at a loss and in tears.

[weedot]

omg sounds like Moose and Lily are twins, Moose is neuro damage from fall out of the tree at 7 weeks old,

Here's the thing, yours is biting because she is in pain, that is how she is dealing with it, they get pain zap, like diabetic neuropathy patients do.

I have tried 2 meds with my vet for Moose both are a bust, and Moose moved away from 1st area and then moved to a 2nd area, which just healed up and now nothing, so this come and goes.. like our nerves they grow on us and rewire, same with them. Moose started to bit himself at 13 weeks, he's 9 mo now. Your lil one will fight you on that collar. Hes a trick on getting it on, place a blanket on your lap. get cut tape read and place on you knee some where, take her and pin her to the blanket belly down and make sure you thumb and pointer fingers are tucked into her pit areas and place palm on the back to keep her down, slip collar under chin with other hand up to neck the tape the collar to the right size, i give Moose about my pink test if i can only get my pink between him and the collar i'm good. not to tight not to loses.

Coffee lids good just make sure it's past her nose Swear these SQ work for circus of soleil lol....and will get to those legs any why they can.. Make sure the coffee lid is not too flexy too... i used packaging from a ATnT cell phone go phone( was a prefect size) and a cheap zip lock blow lid, clear purple kind. Make sure you give her out of collar time with you only, don't walk away from her when she out of the collar, it will takes them a min. to reopen a wound.. keep collar on until you see hair new growth. I learned the hard why and de callor to early before hair growth and had to start all over... Moose rip his-self open big time. You can save her leg, you have to keep on her and watch for ANY lil bit signs, daily... the pain will move on them. See biting collar asap even for a lil mark.

[Monipenny]

Lily has never bit anyone. The collar is ready, now to figure out how to get her to stop running away from me. These boogers are hard to catch and pin down. I am not quite sure how I am going to get this collar on her. I attached velcro to it for the closure. There are no signs of her chewing this spot, just that the wound is not healing. I stopped medicating it 3 days ago and it is now drying up but I am going to medicate it as soon as the collar is in place.

[Monipenny]

It's impossible, I can't get the ecollar on Lily, she's incredibly difficult even with help, one to hold her and the other to place the ecollar on her. I can try again after she is asleep, but if I don't get it on her by Monday, I am going to have to take her to the vet to sedate her.

[Charley Chuckles]

Sorry I do not believe in E collars for squirrels, CC went nuts :shakehead I had a solution, do not make your squirrel wear one if they do not want it, and what squirrel would :nono Again ...just my opinion :tilt My sweet son would have had a horrible life if I made him wear one :Cry If you need help I can help you :alright.gif but again an e collar sucks in my opinion, and my Charley would NEVER and I say NEVER would have been submitted to that :nono squirrels are not dogs, or cats...please don't put one on your baby , when there are better alternatives :thumbsup
It's impossible, I can't get the collar on Lily, she's incredibly difficult even with help, one to hold her and the other to place the ecollar on her. I can try again after she is asleep, but if I don't get it on her by Monday, I am going to have to take her to the vet to sedate her.

[Monipenny]

Charlie Chuckles, I could try your method if only I could hold Lily down that long. I can pm my phone number to you if you could call me with your instructions on how to do this. Your pictures make it look like your squirrel was completely relaxed.

[Charley Chuckles]

OK is your squirrel wildly :dono biting :dono well even if so, how do you think you will put a collar on her :thinking trust me CC let me do everything, except NO collar. and he would never been able to eat :nono now all situations are different ...I am just trying to give you an alternative if plan A?B?C? doesn't work ...also I could even mail you his vest I have made for him, send me pics/can you measure her width, around fullest part...and length...I have many vests made up/may work
Charlie Chuckles, I could try your method if only I could hold Lily down that long. I can pm my phone number to you if you could call me with your instructions on how to do this. Your pictures make it look like your squirrel was completely relaxed.

[Charley Chuckles]

Any luck today with catching her and or collar or treatment :thinking It can be difficult, but for every squirrel you just have to think out of the box and see what can work for you and most of all what works for Lily :D Hoping for good news :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Jackie in Tampa]

me too...what CC said!:D

[Monipenny]

No, I can not get this collar on her. I will call the vet tomorrow and see if he can semi-sedate her for me.

[farrelli]

Have you tried Rescue Remedy to try to get her to calm down and cooperate? Sedation has risks and you want to avoid it if you can. RR can be gotten in many health food stores, pharmacies, etc. Get the human kind, not the animal.

http://www.nelsonsnaturalworld.com/en-us/us/our-brands/rescue-remedy/our-products/the-original-rescue-remedy/

[Monipenny]

Thought about getting that but heard that it wont make enough of a difference to keep control of her.

[farrelli]

I hope someone experienced with it would chime in, but I've always heard that it can work wonders. People use it with wilds here that they rescue. Personally, I'd give it a shot. Not only is sedation dangerous, collars can come off and you can't be running to the vet each time.

[Monipenny]

Thank you, then I'll give Seven grains a call to see if they carry this and run out to get some, I could also check with Vitamin Depot to see if they have it.

[Monipenny]

Seven grains has the spray, dropper and cream. Which one is recommended? They are open until 6:00pm EST today and have these in stock.

[farrelli]

I think most people get the spray, though they sometimes just spray it on their own hands and rub it into their ears or foot pads if the sq doesn't like the spray. Get the smallest size. You don't need much.

[SammysMom]

Human grade works better than pet.:thumbsup

[Monipenny]

Thank you, heading out now to go get it. Wish me luck that Lily will cooperate.

[Charley Chuckles]

I always used the drops, but either one just rub some on the inside and outside of her ears, and head even, I have let CC like just a small bit off my finger ....hope it helps, and yes I too say no to sedation (only in cases where it would be emergency) it can be very hard on a squirrel :osnap :osnap
Good luck you can do it :thumbsup And I pray Lily will let her leg heal and will be just fine :grouphug Your a good squammy :D

[Monipenny]

So far no luck. I put a drop on her ear at 8:00pm and again at 8:15. Have not been successful. How often can I reapply the rescue remedy? If I try to do this with her outside of her cage, I am chasing her all over the house, if I do this inside her cage, I have limited access since the door is only so big. She crawls under the felt liners I use on the bottom of her cage to hide from me.

Jackie, I know the silver sulfadiazine says poison if ingested and I would worry if she licked it off of her wound, but would it be safe to apply this even if she eats it? How on earth do you get these collars on them?

[Charley Chuckles]

You can use more of the RR than just a drop and you can give it again after 15 minutes, I don't believe you need to worry about that, I used more when I had to take CC to the vet.....I was hoping it would help :osnap CC would let me do anything to him, look at how good he did with the vest :thumbsup but I tried many times with a collar and NO WAY I mean NO way :nono I don't know how anyone does that :thinking As for the sulfadiazine yes go ahead for now, she needs it and the good outweighs the bad at this point :thumbsup Keep us posted please, and just do your best/hey you can take some RR I always did :D

[farrelli]

Have you tried rubbing it on her foot pads?

[Monipenny]

No, I only rubbed it on the inside of her ear twice. I don't want to overdue it, but I need to know how frequent can I apply it.

[Charley Chuckles]

I was told every 15 minutes, but do that maybe for 3 times, and yes try the feet that makes more sense as it may penetrate better :thumbsup :thumbsup It is natural and it is not easy to overdose, but if you do that for 3 or 4 applications every 15 minutes, and not much changes I am afraid it won't do much more than that ...sorry :sanp3
No, I only rubbed it on the inside of her ear twice. I don't want to overdue it, but I need to know how frequent can I apply it.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:wave123 I answered your PM questions...
however wanted to make a suggestion on the public forum so others can add their opinions...
if a sq is super antsy, agitated or in pain, RR is not going to help..
it is meant to 'cut the edge'.. I use it and like it when the situation calls for it..
I would ask vet for low dose valium/diazepam to help with agitation and metacam/meloxican for pain and inflammation. These meds can be given together safely to a well hydrated sq.
Otherwise I would use benedryl as OTC sedative...but not meant for long term use.

calm will expedite healing, stress can be debilitating and can add other issues...
is the cage covered? that will help sq not feel so vunerable...
and heat can be comforting as well as help stimulate circulation.
I need to read thread... have been off line this weekend..
playing catch up now.
hope this helps ... I have reco'd rodent/sq doses if vet needs them.
thanks for all you are doing:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Just on another note about the RR. Not once have I ever had it work on a squirrel. I mean people rave about it, but I have tried it twice, granted with the same squirrel, but it did nothing! :dono Oh, and the squirrel was Fluffer when he broke his leg....and I had to transport him to the vets.:shakehead

[Charley Chuckles]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Monipenny]

Thank you Charlie Chuckles for sending me one of Charlie's vest's. So appreciated, looks like it will work, keeping my fingers crossed.

Lily is going to the vet this Tuesday to have her leg amputated, she will wear this vest until her leg is healed. I am so nervous about this. I hope it doesn't take long for her healing. Any advice on helping to spead the healing?

[Charley Chuckles]

I am confident you and your vet will be able to put the vest on her after surgery, and she should be groggy enough to do it :thumbsup the only thing is right after surgery they should put her in an incubator for warmth, it is very important to warm them after surgery, and when you take her home keep her warm and even after you get her home....I truly think keeping her warm for the first few days, treat her like a baby if you can get her on some kind of heat where she can get off if she is too warm, you told me you would keep her in a smaller cage (carry cage ) for a few days after, I think that is a good idea, you can keep a heat pad on 'LOW' on just a small area of the bottom outside of the cage, making sure she can get away from the heat...maybe do that the first day or so (but I wouldn't leave it on if you are not home to check it every so often). Also if you have her in that, she will not be able to run all over maybe hurting the stitches and it will be easier for you to get her to give her meds, as I am sure she will have pain meds/antibiotics :thumbsup Good luck, and maybe practice with a stuffy putting the vest on, about same diameter as she is ...if I can be of any help call me/you also have my cell I will carry it with me :thumbsup I pray all goes well , I have good vibes it will :thumbsup Just a thought, Kristine Ward/Honey's mommy had to have Honey's back leg amputated (and to meet Honey you would never even notice :grouphug ) I am sure if you get hold of her she can help you :thumbsup :thumbsup Such a wonderful legacy for my Charley Chuckles to have some other sweet squirrel be helped by the CCR VEST (Charley Chuckles Rescue Vest) I need to get that thing patented :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Kristin Ward]

I've been lurking, but haven't posted.
Sorry to hear you & your squirrel are going through all this. Good luck with the surgery Tues. Squirrels have amazing healing abilities.:)
I have Honey, is a back leg amputee. She doesn't have neuro issues, but is missing a leg, none the less. She had a bad fracture that couldn't be pinned.
She rehabbed with Jackie in Tampa for 10 days or so before I adopted her. Jackie could give you an idea of what to expect post-op. I know it's scary to have to go through this. Honey is just fine. She never missed her leg, I do scratch her left ear for her though.:D She is quick as can be too. :) She's happy as can be!:)
I'm treating my Willie right now with silvadene/insulin. My vet wasn't to concerned about him swallowing some of it.
Hope you can calm your little one till surgery date. I'm thinking of you both.:grouphug

[Monipenny]

Thank you so much Charlie Chuckles! Kristen, I know you have been through a lot with Willie lately and I am glad he is responding well and being cooperative with his treatments. I sure don't ever want to have to experience what you did. You are so brave and Willie is so lucky to have you there for him.

[LeilaNami]

I used silver sulfadiazene on my iguana when she got an abscess on her jaw (she routinely likes to try and murder me and she was injured in such an attempt. I hadn't noticed the injury until it became infected because it was so small and in a dangerous place to be putting my fingers). The vet instructed me to also put it in her mouth. I would double check with your vet since it might be different between reptiles and mammals.

As far as amputation vs. treatment is going, I'm glad you decided to try treatment first. I had a similar choice to make with my possum. He scratched his eyes before I could get an e-collar on him when I brought him home and destroyed his orbs. They had been horribly infected when he was found. I had the choice of either doing a denucleation surgery on both eyes or treat with antibiotics. We chose to treat with antibiotics first and see how it went. He's doing perfectly well. We just always have to keep an eye (no pun intended) on what is left of his eyes. They could always potentially be a source of infection but provided that we keep him and his environment clean, there's a good chance that he will get by without being put through surgery.

I think the same goes with your squirrel's leg. If the antibiotic treatment works, just be aware that the paralyzed leg could be susceptible to injury due to its state. It's just something you'll have to keep an eye out for. :)

[Jackie in Tampa]

thinking of you two this morning:grouphug
sending good vibes

[Kristin Ward]

thinking of you two this morning:grouphug
sending good vibes
Ditto!:)
Hope all goes well.:grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

I use to rescue iguanas, get them in good shape and take them to the gal at the reptile house at the Central Florida Zoo/any way I had my own iguana "Kermit" from a little thing, as he grew and he got BIG he would have loved to kill me :eek: his rows of teeth were like razors and I was the one needing the Sulfadene :osnap Anyway guess it is a iguana thing because I only had one I rescued that was nice, and the lizard lady (as we called her) said it was the first nice one she ever got :tilt
As far as Lily here goes, the leg will never be of use to her, as a baby she fell out of the nest landed on a hard wood deck, the leg drags and will keep getting infected, so this morning she will have it removed and hoping for a speedy recovery :bowdown Many have had to do this with the hind leg and they get around just perfect you never know they lost one :thumbsup
Praying for a perfect surgery for Lily and the vest works out for you :thumbsup Will be checking in to see :grouphug
I used silver sulfadiazene on my iguana when she got an abscess on her jaw (she routinely likes to try and murder me and she was injured in such an attempt. I hadn't noticed the injury until it became infected because it was so small and in a dangerous place to be putting my fingers). The vet instructed me to also put it in her mouth. I would double check with your vet since it might be different between reptiles and mammals.

As far as amputation vs. treatment is going, I'm glad you decided to try treatment first. I had a similar choice to make with my possum. He scratched his eyes before I could get an e-collar on him when I brought him home and destroyed his orbs. They had been horribly infected when he was found. I had the choice of either doing a denucleation surgery on both eyes or treat with antibiotics. We chose to treat with antibiotics first and see how it went. He's doing perfectly well. We just always have to keep an eye (no pun intended) on what is left of his eyes. They could always potentially be a source of infection but provided that we keep him and his environment clean, there's a good chance that he will get by without being put through surgery.

I think the same goes with your squirrel's leg. If the antibiotic treatment works, just be aware that the paralyzed leg could be susceptible to injury due to its state. It's just something you'll have to keep an eye out for. :)

[Monipenny]

Thank you Jackie, Kristen and Charlie Chuckle's. The look in her eyes when I was saying goodbye, ugh. I feel so sick about this. I put her slipper sleeper in the box for her and an adult diaper, trimmed and cut in half and taped together to reshape it so she doesn't wet herself. I hope she heals quickly, I can not stand to see an animal suffer, it kills me. I know you all understand. I cried on the way home but only after I told my daughter about Pappy's little Angel. I am suppose to call them around 2:00 if I don't hear from them sooner.

Charlie Chuckle's, did you get my email with the pictures to post here?

[Charley Chuckles]

I am with you in my heart and I just know everything will go fine :grouphug
I will go check my email now and post :wave123

[Charley Chuckles]

No I don't see anything in my email/when did you send it, can you re-send it :dono
charleychuckles1@gmail.com

[Jackie in Tampa]

WE are alll here with you waiting:grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

WE are alll here with you waiting:grouphug
:goodpost :grouphug

[Monipenny]

CC, it figures, my email is unreliable and why I don't use it. I have been having issues with sending and receiving emails. I sent them yesturday early evening. I had to use the old desktop computer, slow and funky, trouble getting online with it. I'll try again but I'll send them from my husbands email account, his works better. I just took a few more pictures of Daisy trying to pull this really large peice of fleece up to her nest box, like she doesn't have enough comfy stuff in there already. If you will, when you get the pictures of Daisy and Lily with their new things, can you start a new thread for them? Thanks.

[MJS]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Monipenny]

Daisy is so silly, she's trying to put a large peice of fleece in her nest box, she has it going in both openings. I took pictures and sent to CC to post for me.

[Charley Chuckles]

[COLOR="Red"]Still haven't received the pics :thinking I sent you an email/did you get it :thinking if so just reply back with the pics i should get it then :thumbsup Waiting for news :grouphug [/COLOR
Daisy is so silly, she's trying to put a large peice of fleece in her nest box, she has it going in both openings. I took pictures and sent to CC to post for me.

[LeilaNami]

Oh yeah. It's an iguana thing. If you are lucky enough to get an individual socialized from a very young age, you still have to cross your fingers that s/he will stay nice when they reach sexual maturity and during breeding season. Mine is a female and she was rescued from a situation where the owners were very scared of her (for good reason). I used to work in pet stores and I was always taking home animals from customers that just didn't know what to do with them anymore or had to put animals up for adoption. She was very sick as a baby iguana and was bought from a feed store. As a consequence she was 2 feet long, had lots of health problems due to not being properly cared for, and very aggressive by the time I got her. The people that gave her to me were just overwhelmed because her boyfriend bought this iguana for her as a gift without asking and not knowing what they were getting into. When people realize that those cute baby lizards turn into big aggressive beasts when they're older and not like the rare one they see hanging out of people's shoulders, they are normally dumped. I totally did NOT want a green iguana and would have chosen a rhino iguana if I purchased one but Precious is stuck trying to kill me for hopefully the next 25 years :jump I'm used to having most of my animals hate my guts though. :rotfl (And yes I understand the need for treatment after coming in contact with those razor teeth. Had to glue my finger shut with super glue and now I'm missing half by finger print lol)

As for Lily, I hope the surgery goes well! :Love_Icon


I use to rescue iguanas, get them in good shape and take them to the gal at the reptile house at the Central Florida Zoo/any way I had my own iguana "Kermit" from a little thing, as he grew and he got BIG he would have loved to kill me :eek: his rows of teeth were like razors and I was the one needing the Sulfadene :osnap Anyway guess it is a iguana thing because I only had one I rescued that was nice, and the lizard lady (as we called her) said it was the first nice one she ever got :tilt
As far as Lily here goes, the leg will never be of use to her, as a baby she fell out of the nest landed on a hard wood deck, the leg drags and will keep getting infected, so this morning she will have it removed and hoping for a speedy recovery :bowdown Many have had to do this with the hind leg and they get around just perfect you never know they lost one :thumbsup
Praying for a perfect surgery for Lily and the vest works out for you :thumbsup Will be checking in to see :grouphug

[Kristin Ward]

Still waiting to hear.:grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

tinfoil I have to run out/Monipenny will have cell with me, so let me know how it went :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Monipenny]

Lily is home doing as well as to be expected I suppose. The incision area looks awful. I will try to get pictures here, new to this, so I'll try. Warning, it doesn't look good (to me anyway), the second picture shows it better.

The vest is not on her, I don't know if it was the vet assistant who failed to give precise instructions to the vet but he didn't tape the top and bottom shell together. When they brought her into the exam room to me, she was lying on top of a bath towel. I said, "Oh, no, that towel has got to go. When he pulled the towel out from under her, the vest slid right down over her leg and bottom area. I was like, "that can't be like that, so he pulled it off of her. he had her sleepy slipper in his hand, I said, "we need to put that in there with her."

We got home around 3:00, placed on a heating pad. She drank some water, I offered her HH block first thing, she hasn't touched it. A little bit ago I gave her a green grape and a peice of mushroom which she ate some of both, now a peice of romain lettuce and a half a pecan.

The vet did not give me any pain meds, I all but begged for them:shakehead I can call him at his home anytime if there are any problems. He didn't think she was in any pain because she isn't crying. So I just gave her .15 cc of infant ibuprofen.

[Monipenny]

Daisy trying to put a large peice of fleece into her new nest box. And other random pictures of these sweet ones enjoying their new treasures. The last picture shown is Daisy outside, she came out of her cage for my husband. I don't know what it is about being a mom that kids don't listen to us, I tried coaxing her out for a few hours.

[LeilaNami]

Lily is home doing as well as to be expected I suppose. The incision area looks awful. I will try to get pictures here, new to this, so I'll try. Warning, it doesn't look good (to me anyway), the second picture shows it better.

The vest is not on her, I don't know if it was the vet assistant who failed to give precise instructions to the vet but he didn't tape the top and bottom shell together. When they brought her into the exam room to me, she was lying on top of a bath towel. I said, "Oh, no, that towel has got to go. When he pulled the towel out from under her, the vest slid right down over her leg and bottom area. I was like, "that can't be like that, so he pulled it off of her. he had her sleepy slipper in his hand, I said, "we need to put that in there with her."

We got home around 3:00, placed on a heating pad. She drank some water, I offered her HH block first thing, she hasn't touched it. A little bit ago I gave her a green grape and a peice of mushroom which she ate some of both, now a peice of romain lettuce and a half a pecan.

The vet did not give me any pain meds, I all but begged for them:shakehead I can call him at his home anytime if there are any problems. He didn't think she was in any pain because she isn't crying. So I just gave her .15 cc of infant ibuprofen.

It's normal for animals to have a lack of appetite after anesthesia. I wouldn't be too worried about that unless she continued to refuse food.

Also, I don't know what was wrong with that vet. How long had she been awake? It can take awhile for anesthesia to wear off and the pain set in, not to mention an animal can be in pain, especially a wild animal, without outward signs as it is their instinct to hide such a thing. :soapbox


I hope this surgery turns out for the best with no complications for you and Lily.

[Monipenny]

CC, I checked both of my emails account and I don't see any emails from you either. :thinking

[Monipenny]

LM, She came out around 1:00pm.

[SammysMom]

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

OK folks I have Lily's mommy on the phone now....the vet didn't use the CC vest AKKKKK she has no protection :soapbox he gave Her no pain meds :soapbox :shakehead Monipenny has ....infant ibuprofen how much ///how often can she administer it???? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

[astra]

to dose ibuprofen squirrel's weight in grams is needed

[Kristin Ward]

Poor little peanut head. No pain meds?:dono Ouchie!
So glad she did well in surgery. Her incision looks good from what I can see.
When you can, PM Jackie in Tampa she can tell you what to expect while Lily recovers. Jackie had Honey post-op. Honey's 1 now and doing great. She doesn't miss her leg one bit. Good luck to you both. Sending healing thoughts and prayers for you both.:grouphug

[CritterMom]

WTH was this vet thinking?? She ought to be on tramadol and metacam - alternating...

Ask around - someone may have some tramadol; it is a narcotic pain med similar to codeine. Poor little thing - I wonder if he would like HIS leg removed with no pain meds??

If we can get a weight we can dose the ibuprophen...

[Monipenny]

For now, I can only guess her weight as the vet nor I weighed her. I guess her to be around 320 grams based on her size compared to Daisy when I weighed her at 364. Lily is smaller than Daisy. After I feed Philip and medicate Lily her ibuprofen at 9:00pm, I am going to the store to get supplies, a heating pad that stays on, a baby video monitor so I can monitor her while she rest and recuperates in my bedroom, etc., She is resting snuggled in her slipper that Milo's mom made for her. She sorta grumble-wines when I open her cage door and have to reach in for any reason, poor baby. :( But she sure does like the taste of infant ibuprofen.

[SammysMom]

I would call him at home and tell him to call in a pain med as she is in pain! WTH is wrong with the vet??!!!

[Charley Chuckles]

All I can say from here in Florida is THANK GOD for my vet :thumbsup and that I am in a squirrel pet state :bowdown guess you get what you get otherwise :shakehead :osnap
I want everyone to know that Lily/monipenny has made a donation to TSB for squirrels that need help :thumbsup I just need to get it to the correct place :thumbsup I know IR will help me with this donation :thumbsup
:thankyou Again monipenny and sweet sweet Lily :grouphug your donation will help others in need :grouphug you BOTH ROCK :rockin :rockin :rockin :D :thankyou
I would call him at home and tell him to call in a pain med as she is in pain! WTH is wrong with the vet??!!!

[SammysMom]

My goodness Monipenny, you are awesome! Your vet on the other hand is a knucklehead!!! Be a pushy pest. (my personal forte :D ) He can call it in to the local drug store for heaven sake!:soapbox

[Charley Chuckles]

Monipenny listen to sammysMom :thumbsup the didn't make her PREZ of her ladies auxiliary for nothing :D she knows what she is talking about :bowdown :bowdown
My goodness Monipenny, you are awesome! Your vet on the other hand is a knucklehead!!! Be a pushy pest. (my personal forte :D ) He can call it in to the local drug store for heaven sake!:soapbox

[Monipenny]

Sammysmom, I talked to him on the phone about pain meds before I picked her up and I talked to him again at the vet. He said he didn't want to hurt her liver, kidneys and didn't feel she was in any pain because she did well for the first hour recovering. :shakehead I am monitoring her with a video monitor so I don't disturb her any more than I have to and I can watch every second even in the dark and I am pleased that she is taking this like a champ. Nancy, bless her heart, she is overnighting tremodol for us in the morning. I can't thank you all enough for being here for us.

Charlie Chuckles, YOU made the donation and it was your idea. I don't get credit for this one, you do.:thumbsup

[farrelli]

If it was me, I'd call first thing in the morning and detail how her ears and pinned back, how she sometimes has white tears, just basically tell him what he needs to hear to prove to him that she was in pain after the anesthetic wore off and that she needs meds.

I hope she's doing well. :Love_Icon

[Kristin Ward]

Hoping for a good report this morning.:)
:grouphug Lily:grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

awe poor little girl...
I am shocked that metacam was not prescribed...
this is a great medication for post surgery..
only dehydrated animals are at risk for liver damage..
a healthy animal will actually benefit from the inflammation properties.
I would use tramadol in conjunction with the metacam/NSAID
{I see you are using ibuprofen/NSAID, also good for inflammtion}
Schedule her meds so they overlap, as Metacam is not the greatest pain aid...but again, IT IS AWESOME for inflammation..
Most vets that do domestics will keep the 1.5mg/ml oral suspension at the clinic...and exotic vets will keep the 0.5mg/ml, which is even better for dosing...
awesome that NINY was able to help:bowdown
tramadol is synthetic narcotic, it reaches the pain thru the brain , not the pain site...a pyschotic type medication...
metacam and ibuprofen actually squash the pain at the site..
trogether the combo is perfect...

remember all wounds weep, please push hydration...
honest, it is the best thing you can do for her right now...PUSH FLUIDS.

Also protein expedites healing...add whey isolate to her formula or her yogurt. Yogurt on a plate if she doesn't take formula...

change bedding often...
keep her close so to monitor her chewing..
none of my amputtees have ever chewed the incision post surgery..
none really required a cone... I am not saying that is normal or not, I am saying watch her closely...
long time ago, sarah got a nail caught in a suture and was stuck, it was a nightmare, when we finally got to her, she had pulled out a few stitches, wound was wide open. We had to go back and have a second surgery done to redo the sutures...oye.

She should have appetite and be very still and quiet today...
make sure she is drinking... a rice buddy is comfort.

sweet kisses to her head....
let me know if I can help with anything..
good vibes to you both


can we see a pic of the wound site?
what ABs did he prescribe?
I am so sorry I missed you Abby and Monipenny..
I will be here all day and will wear pockets for phone

[Charley Chuckles]

Jackie, there is a pic on last page :D Also you said protein, how about live meal worms :dono I get the small ones from Petco, CC use to love them, maybe that would be good for Lily, they will suck them right down :D
Hope Lily is doing well this morning bless her heart :grouphug :grouphug :Love_Icon

[Jackie in Tampa]

thanks abby, not sure how I missed the pics..
her inscision looks good from what I can see...similar to the ones DrG has done...
small container is perfect ...hope she doesn't chew...sqs love to wreck a good carrier...and can do so fast, especially if fatigued...
each sq will react differently to the pain..
I feel so sad for her, yet happy that she is rid of a problem/bumm leg.
Watch for redness and lethargy...
if she does not want to drink...push the issue please...it really is important...really.
meal worms...i guess...I am sorta weird about germs and bacteria when booboos like this are involved... I myself would stick to protien powder:D
I do feed worms when I have them...but really gross me out. crunchy stinky gooey yuckos...
will read now that I am awake...
curious what meds, topicals, flushes were vet suggested...

hugs to Lily...
wish we had an update

[SammysMom]

Thinking of you Lily...:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[MollyBear361]

What the wha????? Oh he'll no, you swear, scream, and lie....get her some meds. Wild animals mask pain so she may not scream in pain even if she is in misery. Stupid vet. Raise hell.:soapbox How would he like his leg amputated with no meds.

[Jackie in Tampa]

What the wha????? Oh he'll no, you swear, scream, and lie....get her some meds. Wild animals mask pain so she may not scream in pain even if she is in misery. Stupid vet. Raise hell.:soapbox How would he like his leg amputated with no meds.
:goodpost

[MJS]

:wave123 SO HAPPY THAT THE SURGERY WENT WELL...HOPING FOR A SPEEDY AND UNEVENTFUL RECOVERY FOR LILY :grouphug SHE'S A DOLL!!! :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

Good morning, Lily is doing well, I have her in the carrier covered with a towel in my bedroom on a video monitor. The vet wasn't going to give me antibiotics as "she didn't need them." I asked for it anyway to have on hand in case she needs them, he gave me baytril. Not useing it right now but will not hesitate if her wound begins to look infected. Jackie, I already forgot your other questions, I am sorry if I fail to answer any questions. Jackie, when I get the tramadol, when can I give her ibuprofen in relation to the tramadol? Poor Lily needs her right ear/head scratched, she's drinking water, doing well. I have tried multiple times to get her to take formula with yogurt, not having it. She wont even eat yogurt off a plate.

Daisy is outside with me exploring, not going far from me, she runs up on my leg (ouch) occassionally. She's getting to bury nuts today.:)

[Monipenny]

Jackie, the vet didn't recommend any topical or flushes, I have benedine (sp) if that is alright to use. MY vet is not an exotic vet, I am probably the only person who he has treated squirrels for. I feel fortunate enough that he will see my squirrels, really. Ohio is not a squirrel rehab friendly State.

Great, Daisy wants to play with the cord on the monitor, dang her nails hurt, suppose I should put jeans on and get out of these yoga pants, they are not made for squirrel nails.

[Nancy in New York]

Good morning. Hubby sent meds this morning on his way to work. :thumbsup
You mentioned a towel in with Lily. Please remove that we don't want her nails getting stuck in any of the loops and struggling to get out. You can put fleece or blankets in but nothing that her nails will catch on.
Give that little girl a kiss for me. :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

Thank you Nancy :Love_Icon I don't use towels with my babies, when I went to get her from the vet, they had her on a towel and I told him, that's got to go, no towel and why.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I would use the baytril...not a doubt about that.. I am not going to wait for a bacterial to brew and it is more likel;y than not.
I would not flush with betedine if the wound is doing well, I do not dress these wound sites at all if they are healing as they should be..
Give the ibuprofen as often as she appears agitated, ears pinned, slouched over, eyes squinty, fur spikey...can give every 6 hours if needed..the ibuprofen is great for imflammation and works at the wound site...the tramadol is wonderful for pain and works on pain via the brain sensors...perfect combo, NSAID and Tramadol...
once you have the tramadol, use it twice a day alternating times with the ibuprofen/every 8 hours...
if she hates yogurt, use benbac..found in a small tube at pet store for a few dollars.. a average pearl sized drop on your pinkie in thbe corner of her mouth two hours before or after the baytril will be perfect..
i would use the baytril once a day, dosed at 10mg/kg..
is your baytril a suspension? what dilution?
did vet give you dosage for it?
sorry I missed the phone last night...
has she ate today?
fluids??

[Jackie in Tampa]

I do not want to stick my nose in here and confuse the issue, but I also know how busy JIT is. So I am sharing the following with you, which is what she told me when I was dosing Tramadol and Ibuprofen.

Tramadol 2 times a day 12 hours apart.
Infant Motrin as needed every 4 hours but no less than 1 hour AFTER the Tramadol.

If JIT advises differently due to your specific circumstances, please follow what she says.this will work, you can space the NSAID, Ibuprofen further apart if pain is not grueling....
if she is not eating, she is in pain...she should normally have small appetite today... maybe just picking, but eating some would be normal =from what I have seen following surgery...
even though a vet may not be a sq vet, they are still brainiacs with experience to boot...
they usually hate working soooo small, but the procedures are the same and these vets know what they are doing and seeing... some may not understand wildlife UNTIl we remind them that sqs are prey and will not allow preditors to see them sweat...then they get it... so i would call vet and ask for metacam/meloxicam...
in any form he has... if he needs a dose, tell him 0.3mg/kg SID is sq safe.
otherwise the ibuprofen will be fine...:thumbsup in conjunction with the tramadol...
awesome NINY:alright.gif and Rich!

[Monipenny]

Jackie, she is drinking water and ate some of her block, I put a bowl of veg and a peice of strawberry down for her, hasn't gone there yet, ate a peice of walnut and happily takes her ibuprofen.

10mg dose of baytril? I have baytril 22.7 pill form, I know how to mix with water, I have to look at a dose chart for this, but the only way I can get her to take this is by fuseing it into a pecan. The vet dose, "give 1/2 tablet twice a day." Way too much, I know. What do you think her once a day dose should be at approx 325 grams weight?

[Nancy in New York]

Jackie, she is drinking water and ate some of her block, I put a bowl of veg and a peice of strawberry down for her, hasn't gone there yet, ate a peice of walnut and happily takes her ibuprofen.

10mg dose of baytril? I have baytril 22.7 pill form, I know how to mix with water, I have to look at a dose chart for this, but the only way I can get her to take this is by fuseing it into a pecan. The vet dose, "give 1/2 tablet twice a day." Way too much, I know. What do you think her once a day dose should be at approx 325 grams weight?

Hold on with this, I will send you instructions.
Oh yes way too much according to the vet.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:thumbsup
glad she ate...even a wee little is a good sign..

NINY and I have Pmed and agreed on med dose...and she has Pmed with you:D :thumbsup

....a half a tablet would be high for a two pound sq ONCE a day...
:shakehead major belly ache...OYE!

ABs kill all bacteria, the good and the bad, by using a probiotic, you are putting good bacteria back in her tummy...
acidiopholis, ben bac, yogurt:thumbsup

:Love_Icon Lily:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

:thumbsup
glad she ate...even a wee little is a good sign..

NINY and I have Pmed and agreed on med dose...and she has Pmed with you:D :thumbsup

....a half a tablet would be high for a two pound sq ONCE a day...
:shakehead major belly ache...OYE!

ABs kill all bacteria, the good and the bad, by using a probiotic, you are putting good bacteria back in her tummy...
acidiopholis, ben bac, yogurt:thumbsup

:Love_Icon Lily:grouphug


Thank you Jackie! :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

How's Miss Lily holding up?:Love_Icon :bowdown :Love_Icon

[Charley Chuckles]

Lord been gone all day with no WI-FI :soapbox checking on our sweet lily:grouphug Please God let her be alright :Love_Icon
:thankyou to all of you that helped with meds ect. :bowdown TSB so rocks :grouphug I LOVE each and everyone of you :poke I hope you all know that :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

It is so nice to see the amazing stuff that the TSB love and prayers accomplish!!! I love all of you!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

I am sorry it has taken me so long to update here. I started to earlier and when I was done with my post, I was timed out. I started over again while sitting outside waiting for Daisy to come home. She came and jumped on me, we went inside while I was getting the bag of HH blocks, she came down and sat on my hand waiting for me to open the bag. Once opened, I let her reach in and grab one.

Update on Lily. We are both still alive, that's the good news. Little miss Lily bean houdini decided to bolt out of her carrier box when I opened the door to clean her cage, change litter pad, etc., She spent the whole day loose in my bedroom. I had one failed attempt getting her in her box, she ran out before I could shut the door. Not sure how we are going to do this tomorrow. She spent most of the time laying on the corner of my bed. I fineally got her put away a little bit ago. We spent much of the day giving her massages and head scratches. She ate half her block this morning, and nibbled on her block for dinner, in between, she ate some of her veggies. Drank water, but not the milk/whey protein/yogurt I offered her. Got a tiny tube of benebac only sold with a sample of esbilac (pitched the esbilac), Do they sell benebac seperately somewhere? Not at the pet store I went to today. After putting a dab in her mouth and her usual "WTH response", she decide it was good and licked the rest off my finger. I gave this to her 3 hours after her .13 dose of baytril. She had ibuprofen 3 times today. You would never guess she just had a leg amputated yesturday by the way she acted today. Thank you everyone for your support and care. We really need it.

[Nancy in New York]

Fantastic update.
Thank you for loving this little girl enough to give her all the best in life.
You are one fantastic mama, that's for sure! :bowdown
:Love_Icon Lily :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

Oh thank you Nancy. How can one not love these sweet, adorable, cuddly babies?:dono Don't have to thank me, our love for them is natural. There is nothing like being a squirrel mama. They deserve the same happy and healthy life as us humans do.

[LeilaNami]

Exotic vet or no, my question is how did he dose the anesthesia without knowing her weight? I've never known a vet to treat an animal without taking the weight first.

This vet seems to have just done some careless things because it's "just a squirrel" and not a traditional pet, IMHO. I've seen this a lot with reptile vets around here. Took me years to find one that actually knew how to treat it better than I did.

I'm very happy to hear about Lily. It's good her appetite picked up :) I know it's scary when they lose their appetite as they awaken from anesthesia.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:Love_Icon good morning Lily..and Monica,
hope you both slept good.
Will be here waiting for good update...:multi

[SammysMom]

Ditto!!!:Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

I am sorry it has taken me so long to update here. I started to earlier and when I was done with my post, I was timed out. I started over again while sitting outside waiting for Daisy to come home. She came and jumped on me, we went inside while I was getting the bag of HH blocks, she came down and sat on my hand waiting for me to open the bag. Once opened, I let her reach in and grab one.

Update on Lily. We are both still alive, that's the good news. Little miss Lily bean houdini decided to bolt out of her carrier box when I opened the door to clean her cage, change litter pad, etc., She spent the whole day loose in my bedroom. I had one failed attempt getting her in her box, she ran out before I could shut the door. Not sure how we are going to do this tomorrow. She spent most of the time laying on the corner of my bed. I fineally got her put away a little bit ago. We spent much of the day giving her massages and head scratches. She ate half her block this morning, and nibbled on her block for dinner, in between, she ate some of her veggies. Drank water, but not the milk/whey protein/yogurt I offered her. Got a tiny tube of benebac only sold with a sample of esbilac (pitched the esbilac), Do they sell benebac seperately somewhere? Not at the pet store I went to today. After putting a dab in her mouth and her usual "WTH response", she decide it was good and licked the rest off my finger. I gave this to her 3 hours after her .13 dose of baytril. She had ibuprofen 3 times today. You would never guess she just had a leg amputated yesturday by the way she acted today. Thank you everyone for your support and care. We really need it.

Go to the "pocket pet" section of a Petco or Petsmart or the like - they usually sell benebac as both a powder in a little foil pack, and in little tubes as a sort of gel. Look in the blister pack section where all the treats and stuff for hamsters are.

[Charley Chuckles]

[B][/So happy she is doing so well :thumbsup Keep up the good work Lily you are one special gal :grouphug :D :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

This is frustrating, twice now when I wrote an update and go to post, I get timed out and have to log back in and write it again, can this be fixed?

Now you get the short version of Lily's update. She is doing well. Last night around 1:00am she was due for ibuprofen, was restless and awake, I gave her a dose and an HH block, she ate most of it. Nibbled on a block this morning, ate some veggies and hibiscus branch/leaves for lunch. Had benebac at 1:00pm, due for her baytril at 5:00pm. The tamadol that Nancy mailed over night arrived in time to give her a dose of that at 12:40pm today followed with a syring of apple juice (first time she ever took apple juice) must be a good wash for tamadol. Thank you Nancy and Richard (?), that was so sweet of you, (she refused to accept payment for this). And she is drinking lots of water. So far she is doing remarkably better than I would have expected. Lily is getting plenty doses of love and kisses from TSB and she sends her love to all of you.:Love_Icon

I have 2 questions.

1. What can I do or offer her for boredom? Two weeks in bed for a squirrel, lol, right?!

2. How many times a day can she have benebac? I can't believe she really likes this, she gobbled the entire dab off my finger in one bite.

[Milo's Mom]

I can only answer one of your questions...the timing out thing.

When you log in, next to the space where you type your User Name, there is a little check box that says "Remember Me". Click the box so there is a checkmark in it, then enter your password and hit Enter. This should fix the timing out thing.

OR

If you just hit the "Back" button on your Browser, copy what you wrote, then make sure you are logged in, paste what you copied into the text box and hit submit.

EDIT: Thank you for the update. I was thinking about you guys and wondering. Does she have stuffies to play with? How about some small sticks to chew on?

[SammysMom]

What terrific news!!! Keep up the good work girls!!!:thumbsup :Love_Icon :thumbsup

[Monipenny]

Milo's mom, the carrier box is small, no room for much else besides her slipper bed and pee pad, though I do have her stuffy in there with her and I gave her a branch off my hibiscus plant, I'll giver her an apple tree branch in a bit. She was resting so peaceful, not moving at all when looking at her on the monitor, I had to go check on her to make sure she was still alive. That tramadol must be some good stuff.

[Monipenny]

Exotic vet or no, my question is how did he dose the anesthesia without knowing her weight? I've never known a vet to treat an animal without taking the weight first.

This vet seems to have just done some careless things because it's "just a squirrel" and not a traditional pet, IMHO. I've seen this a lot with reptile vets around here. Took me years to find one that actually knew how to treat it better than I did.

I'm very happy to hear about Lily. It's good her appetite picked up :) I know it's scary when they lose their appetite as they awaken from anesthesia.

LeilaNami, I am guessing he looked up Daisy's chart for her weight since she was in a couple months earlier. They are both the same age though Daisy is a little bigger than Lily.

[Milo's Mom]

Milo's mom, the carrier box is small, no room for much else besides her slipper bed and pee pad, though I do have her stuffy in there with her and I gave her a branch off my hibiscus plant, I'll giver her an apple tree branch in a bit. She was resting so peaceful, not moving at all when looking at her on the monitor, I had to go check on her to make sure she was still alive. That tramadol must be some good stuff.

It is! Cody used to fall asleep sitting up.

[Monipenny]

Though I had been in and out of the home, gone much of the day, but every time I checked on Lily to medicate/feed her, she is sleeping or resting, not active today and she hasn't eaten for the last few hours except her pecan laced with baytril, kinda makes me think that she is feeling sick from all the meds. I bought her a new small stuffy and put it in her box, a few moments later checking on her on the monitor, she got up and took her new toy to bed with her. I am really hoping she isn't feeling sick to her stomach. It's time for her ibuprofen dose but I am going to skip this one. She hasn't touched her block either this morning or tonight, I will offer it to her again in a little while. She is drinking plenty of water.

[Nancy in New York]

If she doesn't appear in pain, I would not dose the pain relievers. I have to ask Jackie how long some of her littles were on pain relievers when they had their legs amputated.
I think the tummy must be upset, so make sure that she is getting probiotics. Does she eat yogurt?
Poor little peanut, she has been through an ordeal, she may just be beat from that and if the tummy is off, maybe she just feels yucky.
:Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

Tramadol IS a narcotic type med and they CAN cause nausea. I do think that some probiotics would be an excellent idea...

Use the pain meds as her condition dictates. If she is in pain, she needs releif; if not, or if it is only a bit of discomfort, she may be okay without, or with less.

[Kristin Ward]

Sending heeling thoughts for your little girl.:grouphug :)

[SammysMom]

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Monipenny]

Tramadol IS a narcotic type med and they CAN cause nausea. I do think that some probiotics would be an excellent idea...

Use the pain meds as her condition dictates. If she is in pain, she needs releif; if not, or if it is only a bit of discomfort, she may be okay without, or with less.
Thank you, that's what I was thinking, I don't want to dope her up and make her sick, poor baby. Though she is resting a whole lot today which is good. She nibbled a little on her block just now but no more interested. I just gave her an apple tree branch/leaves, she's working on that. So far I have been giving her benebac once a day. She hasn't had any more pain meds since her 12:40 dose of tramadol and I will hold off on giving her any more unless she starts getting restless and in pain, if she doesn't need anything by 12:30 tonight, I will watch her through the night to see if her pain rears up and give her a dose of tramadol if close to or after 12:30 tonight, in fact, I might give her a smaller than her normal dose of that. She is drinking water very well.

[Monipenny]

I am concerned, I just went in to clean her cage and change the wee pad and Lily has not gone to the bathroom today, no urine or feces. Any idea why and what can I do about this. I may have to call the vet tomorrow if she is still not going to the bathroom by then. However, I will have to explain the medication issue with him though he doesn't have her taking anything.

[Nancy in New York]

I am concerned, I just went in to clean her cage and change the wee pad and Lily has not gone to the bathroom today, no urine or feces. Any idea why and what can I do about this. I may have to call the vet tomorrow if she is still not going to the bathroom by then. However, I will have to explain the medication issue with him though he doesn't have her taking anything.

Can you try stimulating her? Does her tummy feel hard? I wonder if she got a topical anesthesia to deaden nerve endings and if she just doesn't have the feeling back yet?

[SammysMom]

The lack of poop is because of anesthesia. Happens to the best of us... The pee...is she still drinking a lot and as Nancy asked, is her tummy hard?

[Monipenny]

She peed and pooped yesturday especially when she had free roam of my bedroom. Her tummy looks soft but I will have to touch to be sure. She's drinking plenty of water though she didn't eat much today. Wondering if she could be constipated as well, should I offer her sugar water to loosen that up if it will help that? I may have to take her out of her box and investigate her slipper bed.

[SammysMom]

She may be piddling in her bed due to the "sleepy" bladder and bowels from anesthesia. Sugar water is a good idea. Remember that what doesn't go in can't come out though...:thinking

[Monipenny]

"Remember that what doesn't go in can't come out though..."

I know which is why I am more concerned about her not urinating than the lack of bowl movement. Good fluid intake but little food consumption.

[SammysMom]

I think stimulating her as if she is a baby would help in the urine department. It may be that she is tense and that is making her hold her urine because of sort of fearing that it will hurt to relax and pee.

[Monipenny]

We're good.

1. She peed in the back corner of the box right behind her slipper bed, I cleaned that up. I didn't check there earlier. She must not have realized what the wee pad was for because it was dry.
2. I felt her nice soft tummy and gave her a body massage while I was at it.
3. She took 6cc of sugar water.
4. I moved her bed to the front and the wee pad to the back of the box.
5. Moments after drinking the sugar water and after snuggeling back down in bed, she got up and went to the back of the box, I assume to go pee, I was watching her on the monitor while feeding Philip.
6. Then she started biting on the cage wire like she wanted out.
7. I gave her another HH block since she only nibbled on 3 of them all day. She took it with force and is hungry, chowing down. I think the sugar water brought her to life. :jump
8. And her bed was dry.

[SammysMom]

Great update!!! I couldn't go to bed without seeing how this little sweet pea was doing... Nite nite little one...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

Great update!!! I couldn't go to bed without seeing how this little sweet pea was doing... Nite nite little one...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
SammysMom, that is sweet. I tell her all the time that everyone at TSB is rooting for her, thinking about her and concerned for her. She loves her squirrel family and the support that we get. Thank you.:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

Well I feel better reading this Miss Lily. :Love_Icon
Don't you just hate it when Mom moves the bed pan
and you're not sure where to go? :poke :D

[Milo's Mom]

:thumbsup

[SammysMom]

:rotfl
Well I feel better reading this Miss Lily. :Love_Icon
Don't you just hate it when Mom moves the bed pan
and you're not sure where to go? :poke :D

[Monipenny]

I just checked on her to see how much of the block she ate. She tore her block up, crumbs every where. She is snuggled back in her bed, her incision looks alright. Maybe tomorrow, I might get a couple of pictures posted.

[Nancy in New York]

I just checked on her to see how much of the block she ate. She tore her block up, crumbs every where. She is snuggled back in her bed, her incision looks alright. Maybe tomorrow, I might get a couple of pictures posted.
Good night, it's been a long day! :grouphug

[Monipenny]

Good night, it's been a long day! :grouphug
Good night Nancy, thank you for everything. :grouphug

[farrelli]

I'm so glad that she's doing better. I always thought that pee pads were bad though. Are there safe ones?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30460

[Monipenny]

I'm so glad that she's doing better. I always thought that pee pads were bad though. Are there safe ones?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30460
What I am useing I call pee pads, easier than explaining each time I mentioned them. It is an adult diaper, trimmed then the long pad is cut in half, repositioned side by side (to fit the area) and taped together on the underside. You are correct, wee wee pads are not safe for them because of the chemicals used to attract dogs to them. Thank you for bringing it up though, better to be safe than sorry.

Update; About half hour ago, Lily ate half a grape and an almond in the shell, noticed her chewing on the box activity tonight, I gave her a half dose of tramadol. She is sleeping.

EDIT: I forgot to mentioned that she pooped after she ate the grape and almond.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I am glad she was sleeping all day...
please do not worry ...it is good, means she is not in grueling pain, she is able to rest finally...
TY NINY and Monipenny:wott

keep giving the ibuprofen and tramadol...one is for pain one is for swelling, which helps circulation, which stimulates healing...
sleep is good:thumbsup :bowdown
and def keep using the baytril...
5 days of the pain aid combo and 7-10 on the baytril.

How does the wound site look?
a wee little bit of vred is expected...it should appear dry, not soggy.
sending good vibes...:Love_Icon

[Charley Chuckles]

I have been thinking of Lily and i am so glad to hear how well she is doing :jump good for you Lily :thumbsup I get very ill with pain meds, in fact I refuse them and won't take them :shakehead The pain is better than the sick feeling :sanp3 But I am glad the sugar water helped ...great idea :thumbsup

[Monipenny]

Photos ** Update **

Not really much to say this morning, she nibbled on her block, pooped, wants out of the hospital bed, chewed on her cage some. I gave her a dose of ibuprofen at 10:30 am after reading Jackie's comment to keep up the pain med combo. I am planning on waiting will 2:00 pm to give the tramadol. 3.5 hours after ibuprofen, is that okay? Her last dose of tram. was at 12:40am last night.

The first photo's here are taken today, the last photo was surgery day.

[TubeDriver]

Awww, I hope she feels better soon. Poor thing.

[Monipenny]

This photo of the 1st day of surgery is better.

[Jackie in Tampa]

wound looks good...thank you.
Tramadol will not make her sleep, it will allow her to sleep...yay!
You can give tramadol often as well as the ibuprofen..
however the goal is to keep the sweeling down, so thinking twice a day on the tram and 3 times a day on the ibu...juggle the schedule so her pain is managed round the clock...
glad to read she likes the benbac, it will help her tummy.
awesome update..good pics...I feel better...warm fuzzies.
offer lots of food options...it will be hit and miss with appetite...
and FYI< these sqs are very smart... she knows she has a limb gone, she knows she has to slim down to build muscles.. injured sqs will purposefully not get back their normal weight, it's part of the PT...
wild animals know how to get back on their feet naturally...
a fat sq will not recoupe as easy...agility time.
:thumbsup carrier is good, any heat?
just a fist sized warm spot should be offered, so alot of fleece between carrier and pad. A rice buddy is nice too!:)

can you believe how wonderful sqs are as patients, I would be a weenie whiner if I had just lost my leg....
sweet darling Lily:Love_Icon
kisses on her head please.:grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

She look GREAT!!!!!!!! :thumbsup :D

[Monipenny]

In the first and sixth photo, you see the white thing? That is her rice buddy. Last night a little bit after putting it back in her slipper bed while she was tucked in, she came out and laid on top of her bed, didn't want the warmth?:dono . She enjoyed it all day yesturday though.

She ate some of her block this morning and ate a fair amount of her veggies. She enjoys massages and I have much better control of keeping her from escaping, in other words, I know better now. In fact I successfully removed her door and switched it to open the other way for easier access.

[SammysMom]

Lily you look terrific!!! Good job squammy!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Kristin Ward]

Lily you look terrific!!! Good job squammy!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
Yes, ditto that!:thumbsup
Lily is looking good, she'll be running your house in no time!:)
Keep up the good work!:grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

Lily chewed a hole in her carrier last night and busted out. I put her in her regular cage for now, deciding what to do now.:thinking

[Monipenny]

Some photes, questions and in need of advice.

Photo's that show her incision today looks pink to me as did in yesturdays photo's as well. Should I spray with diluted betedine (50/50) with purified water. How many times a day?

I also show her cage to show the size of it, can she remain in this while she is on bed rest?

The second to last photo shown is the day of surgery to compare.

The last photo shown was taken yesturday to compare.

Thank you.

[SammysMom]

This is going to sound weird, but is the area warm to the touch. I am a weirdo and I always use my lips to judge temperature.:shakehead

[Monipenny]

This is going to sound weird, but is the area warm to the touch. I am a weirdo and I always use my lips to judge temperature.:shakehead
Thank you SammysMom, :sanp3 I meant to do that and forgot. I just checked and no the site is not warm, her face/neck is warmer than the wound site, I used that to compare. Then we should be good.:thankyou

[SammysMom]

:thumbsup :Love_Icon :thumbsup

[Charley Chuckles]

I just looked at the pics Lily looks very good, and look at you with all the charts. you are a great squammy and nurse :bowdown :bowdown :D :D :grouphug :grouphug

[Monipenny]

I just looked at the pics Lily looks very good, and look at you with all the charts. you are a great squammy and nurse :bowdown :bowdown :D :D :grouphug :grouphug
Thank you Charley Chuckles. Also am wondering if there is a safe product to use on the incision site for itch, I don't want her to start chewing because of itch but I don't want her to chew because there is something on her either. :dono

[Kristin Ward]

How's your girl doing today?:dono :grouphug

[Charley Chuckles]

Boy that is a good question :thinking :thinking since you already know she licked the silvadene off, she may very well lick anything off you put on :dono maybe the itching won't be bad, and better not to draw attention to that area, maybe it actually feels better than before to her, hard to say how she felt with the leg, maybe it was holding her down and we didn't even know it, and now she feels free :dono I guess it is a wait and see thing, if she doesn't bother it than I wouldn't do anything, if she starts chewing :osnap then maybe try the vest :hidechair I know but it can be done :thumbsup :D Or maybe someone has a better solution, as a cream of some kind :thinking But for now if all is good don't worry about it :thumbsup I am so happy she is doing so well and like kids, they heal fast :D :grouphug :grouphug
Thank you Charley Chuckles. Also am wondering if there is a safe product to use on the incision site for itch, I don't want her to start chewing because of itch but I don't want her to chew because there is something on her either. :dono

[MollyBear361]

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[Monipenny]

Thanks Charley Chuckles. Kristen, I will take and post some pictures in a little bit. She is doing well. She plays with my hand during her massage time, especially when I stop scratching the area by her right ear. Funny thing, she learned how to scratch her own ear with her front hand, she lays on her right side (the missing leg side) with her front hand on her ear while licking her other front hand. The head movement of licking her hand is enough to scratch her ear with her other hand. She is doing everything she is suppose to do to heal, such a good patient.:D

[Monipenny]

Update; Pictures speaks for themselves. I got some lovin.:multi

[Nancy in New York]

I LOVE these pictures, thanks for the best update EVER!!!!!!!:thumbsup
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[Milo's Mom]

Ditto what Nancy said!!!

Awesome update!!!!! :jump

[TubeDriver]

It is great to see her recovering quickly and happy! :)

[MollyBear361]

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[SammysMom]

She looks marvelous!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Charley Chuckles]

ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL :jump :jump :wahoo :thumbsup :alright.gif :grouphug :Love_Icon [/COLOR]SIZE="5"][/SIZE]

[Charley Chuckles]

UPDATE PLEASE :poke :grouphug :dono

[Monipenny]

No changes. She is still doing very good. I can't wait for the incision to be completely healed and furred. Wondering when it will be that it's healed enough to let her out to play? I have an approx. 10 week old little boy that will be graduating from the pet carrier and wondering if it would be a good idea to bunk them together when Lily's incision is beyond reopening? Any thoughts about this?

[Charley Chuckles]

[QUOTE=Monipenny]No changes. She is still doing very good. I can't wait for the incision to be completely healed and furred. Wondering when it will be that it's healed enough to let her out to play? I have an approx. 10 week old little boy that will be graduating from the pet carrier and wondering if it would be a good idea to bunk them together
Personally I wouldn't push it....I think Lily needs to heal physically as well as mentally///but soon very soon they can, I would wait for her to have complete hair back just so nothing can harm her healing...however they can have their cages together so they can see/smell each other, I have done that in the past and it has worked well :thumbsup So happy our girl is doing so well yippeeeee :jump :wahoo Lily's incision is beyond reopening? Any thoughts about this?

[Charley Chuckles]

Ignore my fonts/smillys this dang posting for me has so sucked I can't do anything AKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[Charley Chuckles]

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[Charley Chuckles]

Just checking on Lily

[Monipenny]

Lily is doing good.

[SammysMom]

Wow! She looks fantastic!!!

[Nancy in New York]

She is looking fantastic!!!
Such a great post, we needed to see this today!
Thank you for sharing.
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[Charley Chuckles]

So wonderful what a great kid Lily is :jump :grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

:thumbsup she looks fantastic... her wound site looks good!!!
happy happy thread...TY!:Love_Icon :bowdown

[Charley Chuckles]

as long as all is well I want to do the HAPPY DANCE TOO :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana gotta love our nanners :D

[Charley Chuckles]

How is Lily doing :dono We need an update here :poke pweeze :D

[Kelly Brady]

Monipenny, I am trying to get caught up on threads.

Just read all of yours. You are amazing and Lily is very special to have you as a squammy.

Major surgery for our fuzzers can be so tiring to remember everything.

Hugs to you both and looks like Lily is on the recovery road to happiness.

Bless you both.:grouphug

[Kristin Ward]

How's Lily? Hope she's getting better & feeling frisky.:grouphug

[Monipenny]

Thank you for thinking of us. Lily is doing very well. We just received her new hammock and boa from Jackie in Tampa today, we are so excited. Hopefully tomorrow I will have a chance to post pictures here for everyone. Sorry it took me till now to update. It was a crazy day today with car problems, stuck at the bank's drive through, had to take it to the shop for repair and getting lost on my way to a dentist appointment.

[Monipenny]

I have pictures but none of her amputation but it looks good. We are 16 days after her leg amputation. You can tell Lily loves her hammock.

[SammysMom]

Just gorgeous!:Love_Icon

[Charley Chuckles]

Boy that sure was a day, more like a comical movie, but I bet you weren't laughing at the time :hidechair :D
Lily looks fantastic, great job Squammy :thumbsup She sure looks happy in her hammock :jump

[Jackie in Tampa]

gotta agree with CC... what a day...oye!

so glad to see her enjoying the new fleece...:Love_Icon

[Monipenny]

If you were with me, you probably would have been laughing at me because of the way I behave during this.

Teller at the bank, "Can I help you with something else?"

Me, "Oh no, I'm just stuck here."

Teller, "Would you like to come inside where it's air conditioned?"

Me, "Nah, it's nice out here, I am waiting for help to arrive." (Had my daughter and 21 month old grandson with me until my husband came and got our daughter, brought her home to get her vehical.) Some one from the car shop came and got me going. On the way to the shop, my grandson would say, "Popal" (that's grandpa) and "Momma". I don't think he ever said granny yet, so we worked on that on the way. Every time I said, "say grrranny", he said, "aaaaah mommma". He fineally did say granny once.

The teller offered me a new car loan, so nice of her.

On my way to the dentist in my husbands car, I noticed a severe vibration in a tire and the steering wheel on the expressway. I frantically called my husband, "Did you not notice this car shaking really bad?" I realized if I stayed under 60 mph, the car was fine. I ended up taking the wrong exit, the one before the right exit. No problem, I'll just go straight, get back on and get off the next one. No, didn't work like that, ended up taking a very large tour of the City I am not familiar with before finding the street I needed. Already 15 minutes late, I called my daughter and asked her to call the dentist, "Tell them I am lost and cancel my appointment, I am coming back home as soon as I find the ramp to the expressway but if I find the street for the dentist I'll go in and let them know." While on the phone with her I came to the street they are located on, "I found the street, oh which way do I turn?" She called them, I arrived and they still took me in for my cleaning. My hygenist, said, "You weren't getting off that easily." I had avoided the dentist since my youngest graduated high school, hence why I got lost.

Was sort of comical.

[Kristin Ward]

If you were with me, you probably would have been laughing at me because of the way I behave during this.

Teller at the bank, "Can I help you with something else?"

Me, "Oh no, I'm just stuck here."

Teller, "Would you like to come inside where it's air conditioned?"

Me, "Nah, it's nice out here, I am waiting for help to arrive." (Had my daughter and 21 month old grandson with me until my husband came and got our daughter, brought her home to get her vehical.) Some one from the car shop came and got me going. On the way to the shop, my grandson would say, "Popal" (that's grandpa) and "Momma". I don't think he ever said granny yet, so we worked on that on the way. Every time I said, "say grrranny", he said, "aaaaah mommma". He fineally did say granny once.

The teller offered me a new car loan, so nice of her.

On my way to the dentist in my husbands car, I noticed a severe vibration in a tire and the steering wheel on the expressway. I frantically called my husband, "Did you not notice this car shaking really bad?" I realized if I stayed under 60 mph, the car was fine. I ended up taking the wrong exit, the one before the right exit. No problem, I'll just go straight, get back on and get off the next one. No, didn't work like that, ended up taking a very large tour of the City I am not familiar with before finding the street I needed. Already 15 minutes late, I called my daughter and asked her to call the dentist, "Tell them I am lost and cancel my appointment, I am coming back home as soon as I find the ramp to the expressway but if I find the street for the dentist I'll go in and let them know." While on the phone with her I came to the street they are located on, "I found the street, oh which way do I turn?" She called them, I arrived and they still took me in for my cleaning. My hygenist, said, "You weren't getting off that easily." I had avoided the dentist since my youngest graduated high school, hence why I got lost.

Was sort of comical.
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What a day! Bet you're glad it's over!:D
Glad to hear Lily is doing good! :grouphug
Jackie's fleece gear is great, Lily will love it.
Lily is a pretty little squirrel girl. :)

[TubeDriver]

Pretty little Lilly. :thumbsup

[Monipenny]

It has been 30 days but seems so much longer. Lily is doing great!

[Nancy in New York]

She looks fantastic!!!!!!!!!! Great update!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

She looks wonderful and so very happy!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

She is so cute and happy good job . It is amazing how fast these little one adapt Lily will get along just fine. You might have to scratch that side of her ear for her. I know I do for Jasper.

[farrelli]

She looks great! She seems to be adapting well and maybe even getting around well?

[Unikorngrrl]

:wave123 Lily!! You are a beautiful girl and so lucky to have such a dedicated squammy!!! :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

:wave123 Lilly! :)

[Jackie in Tampa]

:D yes!!!!!

[Kelly Brady]

Wonderful pictures.

You got her through it Squamma:thumbsup

She looks simply fantastic:D

[Kristin Ward]

Awe, Lily is so sweet.:Love_Icon She looks soo.... happy, so does her Momma.:)
Does she like you to scratch her ear for her? Honey used to try to scratch hers with her missing limb. Now she just looks at me & tips her head when she needs a scratch. I'm so glad Lily is doing so well.:grouphug

[MJS]

:wave123 GREAT UPDATE!!! MADE ME SMILE :D

[Monipenny]

Kristen, she not only lets me scratch her ear, she insists that I do that. She especially likes when I use my fingernail right inside her ear, sometimes I think she is having an orgasm.

[Saverywood]

:Love_Icon Go Lily!