Ab Dosing

[A<3L]

I have 2 baby squirrels, about 2 weeks old, I believe my girl has pneumonia, i have 400mg amoxicillin, I need to know.how much to give them
-Briana

[Jackie in Tampa]

hello and welcome...
The board is going thru a major update..don't want to lose you in case the forum goes down. Can you give us an email address in case, TY.
Can you please give us some basic history on your sqs?
greys? age? weight? formula?
If you email me a pic< I can have it posted for the rehabbers as well. A pic tells a thousand words.:)
thecrazysquirrellady@gmail.com

what makes you think the baby has pnuemonia.. I will have admin move this to emergency as well. BRB

[Jackie in Tampa]

Thank you NINY.
I have shared a back up link to the forum in an email to you A<3L.

[A<3L]

Thank you, i sent you an email

[A<3L]

Briana.12w@gmail.com
A<3L

[Jackie in Tampa]

Briana, I got your email. Do they have fur?
We must have a weight in grams to dose the meds...
A scale can be bought for less than twenty dollars at Walmart, CVS, Target etc...
you will also need a 1 cc legible syringe without a needle, ask the pharmacist, they are usually free, get a few please.




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[A<3L]

They have a tiny bit of fur, hardly much though, i am going to go get a scale right now thamk you

[Jackie in Tampa]

are they on heat? are you supplimenting them with a heating pad?

Is amoxy the only AB you have,, It will work, but there are better sq friendly ABs, amoxy is for respitory, so don't sweat...
you will need a probiotic for the belly ache/GI tract upset the amoxy may give...
Ben bac, acidiopholis or yogurt will work.
trying to let you know so you can get everything needed from Walmart/where ever.

I will post your email here so the other rehabbers can also advise.
what formula are you using?
what are you feding with? a syringe? a pet nurser bottle?

1cc syringes
heating pad
yogurt
scale AND BATTERIES



Hello, I will email a picture of my babies as soon ad I figure out how, I believe they are 2 weeks old, possibly couple days older, cent open their eyes yet. I think my girl (Lana) has pneumonia because she isn't eating as much as she was the night we found her, also she is making weird clicking sounds. We have only had her about 3 days. I have done crazy amount of research about asperation pneumonia and I am very worried. I have amoxicillin but have no idea how.much to give her. I honestly don't know.how much she weighs and I don't know how to weigh her because she is so tiny.

[A<3L]

I am using a syringe, and feeding them esbilac and pedialyte (they Love it) they are on a heating pad that is kept on low

[A<3L]

Yes amox. Is the only AB I have

[Jackie in Tampa]

Esbilac is no longer advised for baby sqs... Pet Ag, the manufacturer changed the formulation.. and we have had nothing but problems since...it WAS the frmula of choice for years, we now recommend Fox Valley Day One 32/40 for sqs under 4 weeks...
It can be ordered on line... in the mean time, you can make a substitute formula... let me get a few stickys here wth some infant info.
I hope you are not mixing the pedi with the Esbilac... :shakehead
Also not advised to give pedi for more than 24 hours
Glad you found TSB... we are sq geeks for sure.

Do the babies appear dehydrated? You can do the tent test by gently lifting the skin between their shoulders... if it stays tented they are dehydrated, if it relaxes slow, continue with formula feedings..
let me get some info together while you get a scale... babys qs will go down hill fast...

add to the list Meyerburg Brand Goats milk, canned or refridgerated carton...from the grocery store... $4ish.
go:wave123 we need to get the ABs in her...:Love_Icon

[Curliesmom]

If you need help I'm in Virginia beach. And a friend is in Newport news.

[Curliesmom]

Change food to fox valley henryshealthypets.com or squirrelsandmore.com. they do really well on fox valley. The stuff is awesome.

[A<3L]

Do they sell fox valley in stores??
So I should stop giving them pedialyte? Should i be using regular water? Got the scale and got home to find its defective ): gotta go back

[A<3L]

They dont seem dehydrated at all

[A<3L]

I am in Fredericksburg, VA...thank you very much ! Nice to know im not alone Haha first time raising baby squirrels

[Milo's Mom]

No they do not sell Fox Valley in stores.
How long have you had them on pedialyte?
Do you want us to find a rehabber for you since a rehabber will have the correct meds, experience, and the appropriate set-up and food?

We have a very very experienced member just a little south of you in Richmond...maybe an hour.

[stepnstone]

:Welcome A<3
Glad you found TSB and are hooked up with Jackie, she is one of our best! :thumbsup

[A<3L]

I have been giving them the pedi. For about 3 days, we found the babies Monday night.

[Milo's Mom]

Has anyone given you the recipe for a homemade formula?

Pedialyte is only supposed to be given for 24 hours. It has a lot of salt in it.

I saw that Jackie told you to get some Goat's Milk (the human kind). Did you pick any up?'s

Here is the Goat Milk recipe.

If you do not have these items currently, you need to go get them, TODAY.

Jackie (Jackie in Tampa) has graciously offered her temporary replacement formula recipe.
Jackie's Goat Milk Recipe
1 cup goats milk
1/3 cup heavy cream
1/3 cup dannon all natural vanilla yogurt

[stepnstone]

MM IS another one of our besties, your in good hands! :grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

dang it... what a bummer about the scale...:madd

here's some info about the FV{Fox valley}
it can also be bought at the link Curliesmom gave...:thankyou


In light of the recent problems rehabbers have been experiencing with Esbilac formula, it has been decided that the best alternative is Fox Valley 32/40.
http://foxvalleynutrition.com/prod/d...p?CID=1&PLID=1 (http://foxvalleynutrition.com/prod/details.asp?CID=1&PLID=1)
Nicholas P. Vlamis, President (Nick)
(800) 679-4666
If you call in your order and tell him you need it quickly he'll be happy to oblige. He can ship to you regular post 3-5 days and overnight. He's very nice and very easy to work with.
In the meantime you will need to feed your baby a home-made formula, but please for the sake of the baby, do not feed this for more than 4-7 days. It's a great temporary replacer milk but it lacks certain vitamins and minerals that the babies need to thrive. This recipe will ensure that your baby will be well nourished until your order from Fox Valley arrives.

Jackie (Jackie in Tampa) has graciously offered her temporary replacement formula recipe.
Jackie's Goat Milk Recipe
1 cup goats milk
1/3 cup heavy cream
1/3 cup dannon all natural vanilla yogurt

Mix well and keep in a covered plastic or glass container in the refrigerator. Replace after 48 hours.
Please note, this website has several links that still mention Esbilac and we need to keep these links active as they do contain excellent information so please keep in mind that Fox Valley is now the formula of choice for raising baby squirrels.
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Wildlife Rehabilitator

[Milo's Mom]

Thank you Step, but so are YOU!!!! :D

[A<3L]

Thank you!!

[A<3L]

Jackie, thank you for the temp. formula! I finally got a working scale and I'm trying to find the goat milk.
Should i be giving my babies water instead of pedi?

[Jackie in Tampa]

MM IS another one of our besties, your in good hands! :grouphugand she's a fast typer too:D
gotta get a weight... really, they fade fast.. if you are hearing crinkle clicks... we need to get some meds in her..
any luck with a pic?
you are not a full blown member yet, we are working on that now...
you will be able to post pics here and rrecieve private mesaages, we do not dose medications on the open forum... we can use email if needed.
will be lurking until you get a scale...
you are getting great help:thumbsup

[A<3L]

I called Giant, and Food Lion, neither carry goat milk..I called PetSmart and they carry goat milk but not Meyersburg brand...where can i get the goat milk

[Jackie in Tampa]

Jackie, thank you for the temp. formula! I finally got a working scale and I'm trying to find the goat milk.
Should i be giving my babies water instead of pedi?if they are hydrated, they would not get water from mom, so we just feed formula.:)
Goats milk, Meyerburg brand... if in the can, will be next to the sweet condensed milk, evaporated milk... if they have in the carton, next to teh milk and half and half in the refridgerated section.:thumbsup
yobaby vanilla yogurt or Dannon All Natural Vanilla...:)

[A<3L]

Thank you so much I appreciatr everyones help, i think i am quite attached to my babies noe and will do anything i can yo keep them healthy (: I emailed 2 pictures to you? I am trying to call around now to find where to get the goat milk?

[Nancy in New York]

Thank you so much I appreciatr everyones help, i think i am quite attached to my babies noe and will do anything i can yo keep them healthy (: I emailed 2 pictures to you? I am trying to call around now to find where to get the goat milk?

Do you have a Trader Joes, or Whole Foods?

[Jackie in Tampa]

I called Giant, and Food Lion, neither carry goat milk..I called PetSmart and they carry goat milk but not Meyersburg brand...where can i get the goat milktrader Joe's ... Whole Foods..?? we have it in every grocery store in the can... only some carry it cold.
Not from the pet store:nono
we want human grade.:)

[A<3L]

I dont have either of those places ):

[Milo's Mom]

Try calling The Olde Town Butcher. 540-370-4105.

They are in Fredericksburg and their website says they have goats milk.

[Jackie in Tampa]

Do you have a Trader Joes, or Whole Foods?they all type faster than I do...:D
we dont even have those grocery stores, but I remembered the names... like minds...:thumbsup

[farrelli]

Ethnic grocery and convenience stores often carry goat's milk, as does Walmart in some cities.

[A<3L]

I'm going to look up old town butcher now, im sitting in CVS parking lot haha, thank you

[Milo's Mom]

Here are some more places listed as carrying Goat's Milk. I also listed some retailers different locations...they are not duplicates.

Target
(540) 786-6800
1180 Carl D Silver Pkwy
Fredericksburg, VA

Walmart Supercenter
(540) 786-2090
1800 Carl D Silver Pkwy
Fredericksburg, VA

Wegmans Fredericksburg
2281 Carl D Silver Pkwy
Fredericksburg, VA

Bottom Dollar Food
(540) 372-3490
515 Jefferson Davis Hwy
Fredericksburg, VA

Costco
(540) 785-1163
3102 Plank Road #600
Fredericksburg, VA

BJ's
540-785-9221
3985 Plank Rd.
Fredericksburg, VA

Walmart Supercenter
(540) 834-4142
10001 Southpoint Parkway
Fredericksburg, VA

Bottom Dollar Food
(540) 898-1771
10611 Courthouse Road
Fredericksburg, VA

Giant
540-786-6145
3501 Plank Road Spotsylvania Crossing
Fredericksburg, VA


Giant
540-785-1020
5701 Plank Road Harrison Crossing
Fredericksburg, VA

[A<3L]

Wal mary has it, going now

[Milo's Mom]

Wal mary has it, going now

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Make sure you pick up some Full Fat Yogurt and some heavy whipping cream.

Also, if you do not have a heating pad, GET ONE!!!

[stepnstone]

they all type faster than I do...
:poke Your not alone... :dono

[stepnstone]

Also, if you do not have a heating pad, GET ONE!!!

Without an auto shut off!

[A<3L]

I have a heating pad, getting yogurt, hravy whipping cream, and Meyersburg goat milk mow (: thank you all so very much

Jackie, did you get my 2 pictures

[A<3L]

Heating pad.does NOT have auto shut off

[Jackie in Tampa]

I have a heating pad, getting yogurt, hravy whipping cream, and Meyersburg goat milk mow (: thank you all so very much

Jackie, did you get my 2 picturesno pics, get syringes from pharmacist, 1 cc... as many as he will give you.
what a scavenger hunt huh? all for the love of a baby sq!!!!!

[Nancy in New York]

Heating pad.does NOT have auto shut off

Email me the pictures if you want and I will post.
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[A<3L]

Email me the pictures if you want and I will post.
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Thank you i emailed 2

[A<3L]

no pics, get syringes from pharmacist, 1 cc... as many as he will give you.
what a scavenger hunt huh? all for the love of a baby sq!!!!!
I didn't see this post til after i left but i can go back if needed, I don't know if my syrng is 1cc or not but I have 5 (4same , 1diff)

[Nancy in New York]

We have Babies!!!!!!! :D

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/2010%20Babies/Lucas/IMAG18662.jpg

[Nancy in New York]

Is that a mark on the one on the right near the head neck area?

[Nancy in New York]

I didn't see this post til after i left but i can go back if needed, I don't know if my syrng is 1cc or not but I have 5 (4same , 1diff)

Look at the link and see if your syringe looks like this one.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36873

[A<3L]

We have Babies!!!!!!! :D

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/2010%20Babies/Lucas/IMAG18662.jpg
Yay my babies <3 thank you (: A boy and a girl..Lana and Alex

[A<3L]

Is that a mark on the one on the right near the head neck area?
it was an old scab, it fell off by itself, that was the first night we found them (3 days ago) it was already coming off when we got them and is gone now (: no marks or scars, neither one of them had any injuries or cuts/wounds when we found them, Alex just had that one scab like i said already fell off

[Nancy in New York]

Yay my babies <3 thank you (: A boy and a girl..Lana and Alex


Adorable, do you have fleece, they love to cuddle up in loads of fleece.
Towels are no good they can catch their little nails on the loops.
Do you have a weight, I will email you the dosage if you give me the weights and you have to check your syringe size.

[Nancy in New York]

You will have to ask for a couple of 1 cc syringes.
How long have you had the babies?

[A<3L]

You will have to ask for a couple of 1 cc syringes.
How long have you had the babies?
I have had my babies since Monday night, about 3 days

[Nancy in New York]

Email me your home address, I am going to overnight you some syringes and fox valley formula, and some nipples.

[A<3L]

Adorable, do you have fleece, they love to cuddle up in loads of fleece.
Towels are no good they can catch their little nails on the loops.
Do you have a weight, I will email you the dosage if you give me the weights and you have to check your syringe size.
Weight: 35gm
I have towels as cushion but they are covered up buy lots of shirts, i always check on them to make sure they arent touching the towel, i read if they get their nails stuck they can break an ankle or toes trying to pull out

[Nancy in New York]

How often are you feeding them?
You have to feed them in an upright postion, SLOWLY, if not they aspirate and that is what causes pnemonia.
Jackie is emailing you the doseage for the ab.
Double check the syringe link that I gave you to make sure that you give the correct amount, it will only be a drop or two.

[Jackie in Tampa]

your instructions are in your email...
they look great!!!:bowdown

[A<3L]

Email me your home address, I am going to overnight you some syringes and fox valley formula, and some nipples.
Ok i emailed you, thank you very much

[A<3L]

your instructions are in your email...
they look great!!!:bowdown
Thank you soo soo very much!!! I am so incredibly greatful for having you all helping me!! I was so worried i wasnt gonna be able to take care of this! THANK YOU ALL!!

[A<3L]

How often are you feeding them?
You have to feed them in an upright postion, SLOWLY, if not they aspirate and that is what causes pnemonia.
Jackie is emailing you the doseage for the ab.
Double check the syringe link that I gave you to make sure that you give the correct amount, it will only be a drop or two.
I am going to go get the correct syringes in a few mins. We just made the new temp formula and I got the email for dosage from Jackie. I read all about the feeding positions. I am thinking we need to feed a little bit slower though. Thank you SOO much!!

[Nancy in New York]

I am going to go get the correct syringes in a few mins. We just made the new temp formula and I got the email for dosage from Jackie. I read all about the feeding positions. I am thinking we need to feed a little bit slower though. Thank you SOO much!!
:thumbsup :) :grouphug

[A<3L]

How long exactly should you keep a squirrel? I have heard different things. I heard they realize as they get older that we arent "mom" and they get mean and possibly bite. I also heard you can keep them and they make great playful pets?

[Jackie in Tampa]

I have to run... A<3L:bowdown
give them a big smooch... read read read... alll the info is here!
Alot of great sq peeps here to help you :thumbsup
Thank you for caring..:Love_Icon

[A<3L]

I have to run... A<3L:bowdown
give them a big smooch... read read read... alll the info is here!
Alot of great sq peeps here to help you :thumbsup
Thank you for caring..:Love_Icon
So far I have been researching something everyday, i dont let anything pass! Thank you for all your help and you WILL be seeing me here again (:

[stepnstone]

How long exactly should you keep a squirrel? I have heard different things. I heard they realize as they get older that we arent "mom" and they get mean and possibly bite. I also heard you can keep them and they make great playful pets?

You have plenty of time to think about release, don't concern yourself with that for now.
We will help you with that too when the time approches.
You just need to concentrate on the tasks at hand and that is to get these babies fat and healthy.
Just keep in mind... squirrels are wild animals, they are meant to spend their lives as nature intended
free in the trees. Unless there is a reason they can not be released, it's where they belong.
They do wild up as they get older, squirrels can (and often do) bite. I think we have all been bitten a time
or two, we bleed, we survive. They are squirrels! :D

[Milo's Mom]

You have plenty of time to think about release, don't concern yourself with that for now.
We will help you with that too when the time approches.
You just need to concentrate on the tasks at hand and that is to get these babies fat and healthy.
Just keep in mind... squirrels are wild animals, they are meant to spend their lives as nature intended
free in the trees. Unless there is a reason they can not be released, it's where they belong.
They do wild up as they get older, squirrels can (and often do) bite. I think we have all been bitten a time
or two, we bleed, we survive. They are squirrels! :D

:thumbsup

[farrelli]

How long exactly should you keep a squirrel? I have heard different things. I heard they realize as they get older that we arent "mom" and they get mean and possibly bite. I also heard you can keep them and they make great playful pets?

Once you get a chance to read all the stories on here you'll see that there's a very broad range of squirrel behaviors as they get older. Some are sweet as pie and never want to leave home, some are little devils that seem to want to be free from very early on. Some get aggressive during mating season but eventually calm down, some never calm down. Sometimes aggressiveness is caused by environmental factors which you might be able to discover and control, sometimes there's just nothing you can do about it. I encourage you to check out all the stories here and you see all the variety in which squirrel nature comes.

[Nancy in New York]

Just posting a photo of Alex and Lana for A<3L
They are doing well. Lana is eating better on the GM formula.
They had one dose of abs. last night and one this morning,
so far so good.
Oh and A<3L's mom has joined the board too from Hawaii.
Welcome to TSB. :)

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[Nancy in New York]

Another picture of the littles..........awe :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

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[Nancy in New York]

Just got a photo of Alex and Lana.
Look how cute!!!!!!
I had overnighted a box Friday with Fox Valley, syringes, nipples, Baytril, some fleece:D and a couple of pouches. It got there yesterday....so the babies should definitely be on the road to recovery.
Keep them in your prayers though, you can never have too many prayers....:)
:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

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[island rehabber]

Precious little pinkies!

[MollyBear361]

Sweet babies. Good luck to you guys! :grouphug