Need help asap- 2 sick babies

[breazmai]

I have had my babies a week now. We are guessing they are about two wks old. Three little boys. Now when we got them, two were the same size and then we have a runt. They all were eating and gaining weight until two days ago. One of my boys is double the size of his brothers. He is doing great. But my other one is now the size of the runt. Both of these boys were eating until today. I have been hydrating them again as they both are dehydrated. My runt is doing ok I believe now that I rehydrated again. When i go to feed him, he has no problem. He fights me and latches right on. Only issue with him is his bum is swollen and hard and he's got rock hard stool. So I have been soaking it in water and putting neosporin on his bum. But my other little boy won't take the fluids. I have to basically force feed him both formula and pedialyte. He has no interest whatsoever in eating. He is still moving and fighting me when I try to feed him but for the most part he is lethargic. The poor thing is skin and bones. He is losing weight so fast and I'm not sure what else to do. He was doing so good. I have ordered FV formula but it hasn't arrived. I live in WA and everyone I call knows nothing about squirrels. Even the vets I have called. I am at a loss. I even call the wildlife rehabilitators in the area and basically was told to let them die as they are overcrowded. This is why I am raising them. I am not sure if they are grey squirrels or douglas squirrels or if it makes a difference. Please any advice? I don't want him to die and i'm hoping there is something I can do to save him.
I would post pics but I don't know how. But can email them to someone just to show difference in size of my boys

[Rhapsody]

Do you have them on a heating pad? --we need to keep them warm as they cannot regulate their own heat at this point.
What have you been feeding them? --and when you do the pinch test does the skin come down right away or remain standing up?

How long have you been rehydrating them with pedialyte only?

You can email pics to me at MN.Rescue@Hotmail.com

[Rhapsody]

BABY SQUIRREL CARE:

First thing needed is to warm the squirrel.
Now check for any injuries and/ or wounds.
Hydrate the squirrel right away (use a 1cc syringe) and go slow.
Give homemade pedialyte every hour for eight hours (max 24 hours).
Once hydrated make Goats Milk formula, feed 5-7% of their body weight every 4 hours.
Make sure you stimulate after each feeding to help the squirrel go potty if under 5 wks.

IMPORTANT: Babies must be kept WARM --NEVER feed a cold baby.
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+ Emergency Care for Baby Squirrels +

1. Warm the squirrel (never feed a cold squirrel)
2. Place in plastic container or box w/ pieces of fleece
3. Rehydrate the squirrel (feed pedialyte first 24 hours)

Homemade Pedialyte
1 cup warm water
1/4 tsp salt (teaspoon)
1 Tbsp sugar (tablespoon)

4. Slowly feed with a 1cc syringe - head UP tail DOWN
5. Keep warm at all time - fill bottle with hot water (cover bottle with sock)
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Goats Milk Recipe:
1 cup Goats Milk * (if can - dilute)
1/3 cup Full Fat Vanilla Yogurt
1/3 cup Heavy Cream (frig section)

(lasts 72 hours in frig)
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WARMTH:
1. Heating Pad, on low with a fleece blanket on top --place the squirrel in the blanket.
2. Rice Buddy --put rice in sock (tie off) microwave for 30 sec - place next to the squirrel.
3. Fill empty water bottles with hot water and slide into a single sock then place next to squirrel.


Once the squirrel is settled in order Fox Valley formula:
http://www.henryspets.com/
http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp (32/40 birth to 4 wks – 20/50 4 wks & older)
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Hydration / Pinch Test
Once the squirrel is all warmed up you can feed him a little pedialyte every five minute by placing a syringe tip to the corner of his mouth. You will probably have to do this for a good hour or two until he is feeling well enough to take a few cc's at one time.......... when this happens you can feed him the pedialyte every 30 minutes to an hour.

The most important thing to do right now is to get him fully hydrated..... you can perform a pinch test between the shoulder blade to see how well he is --if the skin is pinched and goes down fast then the pedialyte is working, if the skin stays up or goes down slowly more liquid hydration is needed (hydrate up to 24 hours w/ pedialyte).
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[sid'smommy]

Add a little heavy whipping cream to formula for the constipated one... and soak him in warm water up to his belly/chest. You can add a little karo syrup to the formula as well. The baby not eating. Make sure he is good and warm first. You need to rub his gums with karo syrup to get his sugar up. He may be too weak to nurse. You should maybe dilute some in warm water for the first feeding. Hopefully he will perk up with that. Do not overfeed. The weak baby may need smaller amounts more often. I would do this with both babies, since the one is not digesting well. If they eat when they are cold, it will not digest and they will bloat up.

[kastillo]

Good info posted here already, just wanted to add...

also, do you hear any clicking when they breathe? Is it possible they could have aspirated any formula, you would have seen formula and/or bubbles come out the nose, followed by sneezing , and then a general lack of interest to eat?

If they have gotten aspiration pneumonia they will need antibiotics.
Please give us an update asap.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:Welcome :wave123
SquirrelRefuge.org is in Vancouver.. Jackie is a memeber here and will help

For emergencies or local orphan pickup please call Jackie at (360) 713-1143.
:thumbsup thank you for finding help for them.

[breazmai]

Do you have them on a heating pad? --we need to keep them warm as they cannot regulate their own heat at this point.
What have you been feeding them? --and when you do the pinch test does the skin come down right away or remain standing up?

How long have you been rehydrating them with pedialyte only?

You can email pics to me at MN.Rescue@Hotmail.com

First off, they all made it through the night. so I'm a happy mama but still worried.
I have had them on the heating pad since i got them. For the first day, I fed them only pedialyte. Their skin was coming down fine so I introduced esbilac the next day(i didn't know it wasn't good for them till I found this board) that's what they were eating until yesterday mixed with whipping cream(which i introduced three days ago) They seemed to all be fine with it. Yesterday I started them on the goats milk but I diluted it with water for the two little guys. also yesterday I gave the two pedialyte in between feedings as they both were dehydrated again. The big guy eats 2cc per feeding but the others I am lucky to get 1/2cc into them(they were eating 1-1 1/2 cc before). I haven't tried karos but i will today. This morning when I fed them the runt ate with no problem, only very little taken though. The other took the syringe and sucked at first but it's like when he tastes the formula he doesn't want it. Also forgot to mention, he has really bad diarrhea since yesterday.
I will email pics so you can see them. Thanks for the advice

[breazmai]

Good info posted here already, just wanted to add...

also, do you hear any clicking when they breathe? Is it possible they could have aspirated any formula, you would have seen formula and/or bubbles come out the nose, followed by sneezing , and then a general lack of interest to eat?

If they have gotten aspiration pneumonia they will need antibiotics.
Please give us an update asap.

O no, no clicking. I was worried about that for a couple days because the big guy and my guy were aspirating quite often when I fed them the first two days I had them. They were getting excited at every feeding like they couldn't get it fast enough. But I did what was told to get the formula out and they have been fine.

[breazmai]

Ok I have uploaded some pics. First is the day I got em(they were about 9 days old). Second shows my runt with the big guy take four days ago, just to show difference in size. The last two are of my guy seven days ago and then this morning.

[Jackie in Tampa]

if you haven't switched them to GM do so soon please... the last pic shows dehydration... dilute the formula and give less more often until he starts to hydrate...
then up the strength of the formula...to normal.
:grouphug
they can change so fast.... it can be scarey for sure... thank you for helping the little guys!

[breazmai]

so if i feed him every hour and dilute the formula, does that mean stop the pedialyte then? Ive been feeding formula every two hours and pedialyte between.

[Rhapsody]

Yes, you can go ahead an feed the GM only...... hydration with pedialyte is done for no more than 24 hours at a time, then we introduce the formula which has water in it.

[breazmai]

Thank you I will do that.

[kastillo]

Praying for your babies...:grouphug

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

If u are close to kirkland wa I can get you some FV tonight .i will check back later to see if you need my help. I love the little ones :Welcome

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Have you been weighing them daily? What were their starting weights and what are their weights today? It looks like the little guy has lost weight since you got him. He looks much thinner than when you got him.

[breazmai]

If u are close to kirkland wa I can get you some FV tonight .i will check back later to see if you need my help. I love the little ones :Welcome

Thank you. I'm in mason county so not very close unfortunately. I should have the FV by monday I hope. Is there a store in Kirkland that sells it? I am willing to drive out there and get it if they do so I don't have to wait and my babies can be on the right formula.

Also No I have not weighed them. I am going to get a scale tomorrow though. I know they have lost weight, that's why I am so worried about them.

Update: I got both the little ones to eat 1/2cc every hour and a half which is better than before as I am not having to force them anymore to eat. My little runt is no longer constipated but his poops aren't where they should be. Other guy still has diarrhea bad. If i am cuddling him, his bum literally lets loose and I get it all over my chest. This is after he already went a few minutes before too.. But they both have more energy which is a good sign I hope

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

No store in Kirkland I just have a bag and half of FV thought I would share if needed. If you want to drive over I will share till you get yours. Have to work all day tomorrow but can take it with me to work for pick up. Let me know and I will take it to work with me tomorrow. Pm me your phone number if interested

[breazmai]

Ok UPDATE: Babies made it through again, I'm celebrating another victory for another day. We still have some issues with dehydration but all my guys are pooping normal. I'm still diluting the formula but is there something else I can do for them? I know their energy is up, they are all eating good. Still not as much as they should but more than yesterday(between .75 and 1cc per feeding)

But now my runt (lil bit) is getting pneumonia i think. He has started clicking when he breathes. Not every breath but enough to where it has me concerned. As stated before though, NO vets in my area that I have spoken with know about squirrels and tell me call a rehabber. Rehabbers that i've called won't help as i'm told I have to give them up but they say since they are full, they won't take em anyway. One I even called in another county told me drop them off and they will euthanize since they are full. they won't help since i'm not licensed. I don't want that for my boys. I want to keep them and release them myself when it is time. I want them to have a life.

I already emailed Jackie at squirrel rescue in Vancouver for info about getting licensed if I can. I want to help not only my babies but more if need be. Obviously in my area there isn't much help for the babies. I want to change that. But first priority is my babies. What can I do?

[farrelli]

If you hear clicking, you need to get antibiotics NOW. Do you have any? The best is Baytril, also called Cipro when prescribed for humans. Tons of people have it in their cabinet, especially women because it's commonly prescribed for UTIs. If you don't have it, can you call around to your friends? ANd if not Baytril/Cipro, can you get ANY antibiotics?

[CritterMom]

Ok UPDATE: Babies made it through again, I'm celebrating another victory for another day. We still have some issues with dehydration but all my guys are pooping normal. I'm still diluting the formula but is there something else I can do for them? I know their energy is up, they are all eating good. Still not as much as they should but more than yesterday(between .75 and 1cc per feeding)

But now my runt (lil bit) is getting pneumonia i think. He has started clicking when he breathes. Not every breath but enough to where it has me concerned. As stated before though, NO vets in my area that I have spoken with know about squirrels and tell me call a rehabber. Rehabbers that i've called won't help as i'm told I have to give them up but they say since they are full, they won't take em anyway. One I even called in another county told me drop them off and they will euthanize since they are full. they won't help since i'm not licensed. I don't want that for my boys. I want to keep them and release them myself when it is time. I want them to have a life.

I already emailed Jackie at squirrel rescue in Vancouver for info about getting licensed if I can. I want to help not only my babies but more if need be. Obviously in my area there isn't much help for the babies. I want to change that. But first priority is my babies. What can I do?


Do you or anyone you know have any Cipro? It is a VERY popular human antibiotic and if you can get your hands on a single pill it can be broken down and dosed - and will kick pneumonia's butt. We would need an accurate weight of the baby and the size in milligrams of the pill. If not Cipro, find out what antibiotics you can beg borrow or steal and write down the names and sizes.

[LindaR]

There is another method of re-hydration that may help. It is only used for more severe cases and I would count this as one. It involves a SubQ injection behind the neck area. Perhaps a licensed rehaber will walk you through it if possible?? SubQ are easy to do I do them on myself all the time. But with little ones or any baby, care should be taken most diligently. Can anyone else help with this?? just a thought that could help :)

[breazmai]

There is another method of re-hydration that may help. It is only used for more severe cases and I would count this as one. It involves a SubQ injection behind the neck area. Perhaps a licensed rehaber will walk you through it if possible?? SubQ are easy to do I do them on myself all the time. But with little ones or any baby, care should be taken most diligently. Can anyone else help with this?? just a thought that could help :)

I was thinking about that too since it's been a few days of dehydration. I called my mom to see if she has any cipro also and she doesn't and neither do i. all i have is amoxicillin 500mg and eurythromycin(sp?)
I'm willing to drive a couple hours if need be for a vet to help him or someone who know squirrels. I just don't know if it would be too stressful on him. It's hard because I have raised horses, kittens, dogs, racoons, possums, bunnies, snakes and what not. Never raised squirrels so I don't know much about them.

[breazmai]

Do you or anyone you know have any Cipro? It is a VERY popular human antibiotic and if you can get your hands on a single pill it can be broken down and dosed - and will kick pneumonia's butt. We would need an accurate weight of the baby and the size in milligrams of the pill. If not Cipro, find out what antibiotics you can beg borrow or steal and write down the names and sizes.

I'm still calling around to see what I can get. After I feed them again, I am going to drive and get an accurate scale.

[Jackie in Tampa]

is the amoxicillan fresh? not expired?
amoxy will work for aspiration pnuemonia:thumbsup
HOWEVER, please be sure...
Antibiotics will weaken immune system and will be a physical discomfort for their digestive tract..
You will need a probiotic .. I use yogurt in my formula, many use BenBac or acidiopholis... best given two hours before or after medication.
It will put good gut flora back in their bellies...:)

I am def not saying TO NOT TREAT!
with AP, the clicking will be from their chest/abdomen.. NOT THEIR HEAD, not their nose, not their mouth... and baby sqs can make some crazy noises, little pffts..
I can help you dose the amoxy with a weight in grams if your baby is clicking with every breath even when sleeping...
{did you get the scale yet?}
Are you using a 1cc Oring syringe to feed with? slow is key..
you will need a 1cc syringe to dose the meds with.

head up, tail down.. never tilt back like a human baby.
If you do see milk in nose, gently tip head to floor allowing enough time for all fluid to drain, wipe off any excess and go slower:)

The amounts you are able to get into them is so small, I am concerned.
Keep them warm and all fluids warm..

Is Kirkland or Squirrel Refuge close?

:grouphug sending good vibes to you and the babies...

[breazmai]

is the amoxicillan fresh? not expired?
amoxy will work for aspiration pnuemonia:thumbsup
HOWEVER, please be sure...
Antibiotics will weaken immune system and will be a physical discomfort for their digestive tract..
You will need a probiotic .. I use yogurt in my formula, many use BenBac or acidiopholis... best given two hours before or after medication.
It will put good gut flora back in their bellies...:)

I am def not saying TO NOT TREAT!
with AP, the clicking will be from their chest/abdomen.. NOT THEIR HEAD, not their nose, not their mouth... and baby sqs can make some crazy noises, little pffts..
I can help you dose the amoxy with a weight in grams if your baby is clicking with every breath even when sleeping...
{did you get the scale yet?}
Are you using a 1cc Oring syringe to feed with? slow is key..
you will need a 1cc syringe to dose the meds with.

head up, tail down.. never tilt back like a human baby.
If you do see milk in nose, gently tip head to floor allowing enough time for all fluid to drain, wipe off any excess and go slower:)

The amounts you are able to get into them is so small, I am concerned.
Keep them warm and all fluids warm..

Is Kirkland or Squirrel Refuge close?

:grouphug sending good vibes to you and the babies...

Yes the amoxi is fresh. I haven't gotten the scale yet. Getting ready to feed babies now and the store is 30min away. I will also see if the pharmacy has a 1cc syringe. I have a 3cc i'm feeding with.
Kirkland is about 1 1/2 hours away and SR is about 3hrs. close enough but still far.

[farrelli]

Just about any drug store will give you a 1cc for free.

[Jackie in Tampa]

Yes the amoxi is fresh. I haven't gotten the scale yet. Getting ready to feed babies now and the store is 30min away. I will also see if the pharmacy has a 1cc syringe. I have a 3cc i'm feeding with.
Kirkland is about 1 1/2 hours away and SR is about 3hrs. close enough but still far. head's up before you go... :D
get as many 1cc syringes as they will give you... the ones that you are able to get without ordering 'Special' are known as diisposible dosing syringes, they are not meant for feeding or repeated use... SOOOOOOOOOOO, they start to stick, the rubber bulb on the plunger gets sticky and will aspirate a baby in a NY minute... even as soon as the second time you use them...
there are better syringes used for feeding, they are O ringed on the plunger.. and they are smooth and sweet!:thumbsup
They can be ordered from the same places you get the formula, Fox valley Nutrition, Henry's or Chris's Sq Store...
and order some silicon nipples too when you do order... hey, no one said rehabbing is cheap.. I have been broke for years!:)
but, while you are getting scale, get syringes, yogurt,
{are you still using Esbilac?} Goats milk in can or carton, Meyerberg is a brand most human grocery stores carry.. canned will be by evaporated milk, carton will be next to the Heavy Cream, Half and Half, near the milk.
the yogurt, I use Dannon All Natural Vanilla, but many here use YoBaby...

don't forget a battery for the scale!tinfoil
let us know a weight in grams and what mg the amoxy is when you get back... :thumbsup :wave123
the clicking will be with every breath...
PS... your babies are too small for a 3 cc syringe...

[magna]

If you can find an aquarium store they may have Fish Flox Forte which is Ciprofloxacin. Many common over the counter fish meds are available and if you research you will find thousands of people who take them for themselves. You can get Amoxicilan and many others also. Hope this helps. Meds only become less potent after a very long time, months or even more depending on what form they are in, they do not spoil for the most part, simply lose strength.

[Jackie in Tampa]

these are 3 cc but show the difference..:thumbsup
the last pic shows a 1 cc O ring feeding syringe with silicon mothering nipple.. this is what I use..
I do not use a 3 cc until the babies are sitting up on their own, eyes open etc... others may do differntly, however, knock on wood, I have not aspirated a sq in many years.
hope this helps.

[magna]

Oh.... and some of the best needles are insulin that I have found for SQ, they are usually 27 1/2 or smaller and most diabetics that inject will have tons of them if you know someone. I order them by the hundreds for B12 shots, the animals can't even feel it. Most are very small in capacity I think the ones I get are 1/3 of a cc and 30ga. Harbor freight has very small gram scales very cheap if you need to pick one up. hope this helps.

[Jackie in Tampa]

If you can find an aquarium store they may have Fish Flox Forte which is Ciprofloxacin. Many common over the counter fish meds are available and if you research you will find thousands of poeple who take them for themselves. You can get Amoxicilan and many others also. Hope this helps. Meds only become less potent after a very long time, months or even more depending on what form they are in, they do not spoil for the most part, simply lose strength.
I found some info that tetracycline and erythromycin can become toxic after expiration. They are also closely related to the cillan family and not advised for sqs anywho!:D
I often wonder if these aquarium meds are fresh, safe and actually what they say they are...
I have never used but hear many that have say they are okay..IDK..:dono

[Jackie in Tampa]

Oh.... and some of the best needles are insulin that I have found for SQ, they are usually 27 1/2 or smaller and most diabetics that inject will have tons of them if you know someone. I order them by the hundreds for B12 shots, the animals can't even feel it. Most are very small in capacity I think the ones I get are 1/3 of a cc and 30ga. Harbor freight has very small gram scales very cheap if you need to pick one up. hope this helps.small gauge is good for medicine injection, but don't try them for SubQ... you'll be there all day...sqs are not patient!:D
here in Florida, you can buy a needled syringe, ain't we lucky:thumbsup
some states require Rx for them...
I would guess due to HIV and drug addictions..:thinking :dono

[breazmai]

OK real quick, talked to squirrelsareme in kirkland here...she has cipro and smz(SP?) and she will meet me after she is off work tonight. Wanted to let you know as she said she can't sign onto here right now. The rite aid here does not have scales right now so I am going to have to run and get one an hour away. I'm not sure if I can get needles needed for subq here. I'll check because most ppl here are using the new needles for their diabetes...Pharmacist may look at me like i'm crazy when i ask but o well lol

Jackie- I did order syringes and nipples with the formula so i'll be good once they get here. But I will get some 1cc syringes today. Also I did start them on the goats formula but am getting some FV from squirrelsareme tonight also.

Magna- I'll try going to harbor freight for the scale. The ones i saw at walmart were too big..didn't weigh in small amounts..maybe they were out of the smaller ones. thanks for the heads up though cause i didn't know harbor carried them.

Thank you everyone for advice and help. It is appreciated alot. I don't know what I would do without this board

[magna]

I haven't done a SQ on a sql but have on bunnies and baby goats. Not for rehydration but for meds and vitamins.
I have used the fish meds personally. For the animals we have ground them in a mortar and pestle to a fine powder and then mixed with whatever we needed to get it in the babies.
We do not keep most liquids more than a year, except Kaolin, and you are 100% correct on the tetracylines, I believe it actually becomes toxic. I will check my Merck manual later today if I can remember and see if it addresses it. Thank you I stand corrected!!! :thankyou :bowdown

[magna]

They carry a pocket scale. The one I got last year had a small bowl looking cover that was perfect for sitting baby bunnies in.:thumbsup

[Jackie in Tampa]

For aspiration pnuemonia...you want cipro/baytril...
SMZ-TMP is tooooooo slow for respitory big bad issues...
tell her hi for us!!!

[Chickenlegs]

I hope your guys are doing better. It's hard when a little guy is having problems. You might try hanging him in a pouch right next to your heart. Sometimes it seems they need to hear a mama's heart telling them to live. Sending prayers that all of the babies will thrive.

[SammysMom]

The scale you want is in the kitchen department. They all weigh small amounts.

[breazmai]

For aspiration pnuemonia...you want cipro/baytril...
SMZ-TMP is tooooooo slow for respitory big bad issues...
tell her hi for us!!!

I will tell her. Again everyone thank you for all the advice and prayers. The man is bringing me a scale home so I will post weights of them and find out how much cipro to give him. Other than his breathing, and dehydration he is doing better. All day the little ones have been taking 1cc or more of formula which makes me happy. It's still not where they were but I have hope that they will make it through this. I mean I have had them nine days now. They are only around 18 days old so in my opinion that is a milestone for me. They are little fighters. Having mommy die when their tree was cut down, and them falling at least 60 feet out of that tree and not sustaining any noticeable injuries, shows me they really deserve to live and have a good life. My property is the perfect place for them to live out their lives. Playing by the lake in my trees is all I want for them.
I will post updates in a bit.

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

Heading out to meet up breazmia the ciprofloxacin Hal 250 mg also taking some FV and my scale so she can get a weight on the little ones . Anything else I need to take to her let me know soon I will be leaving in 5 min also will take some ultra boost

[skippy]

:thankyou :thumbsup It takes a village to raise these precious little squirrels. Thank you for making it happen. Sending lots of good vibes and healthy happy thoughts of this little one recovering perfectly.: "Ultra-boost" :thumbsup Love_Icon

[breazmai]

I want to say thank you again to squirrelsareme for sitting in horrendous traffic and meeting with me tonight. She was literally a life saver. Now I need to know how much cipro to give the little one. they are 250mg and he weighed in at 16grams. such a small little guy. Also how do i transitions from the goat's milk formula over to FV? Also do I add the boost to it? how? sorry this is all still new and I want to do it right.

so total weights of the boys were as follows(o i named them too..)

lil bit(Larry) the runt: 16 grams
Mo: 17 grams
Curly: 26 grams (he's my big guy)

lil bit and mo both are still fighting dehydration so I am still diluting the formula. but mo is more energetic than before. curly is same as always, big guy who beats up his brothers. I noticed a bruise on Mo tonight on his left side under his rib so i am really watching him now. but all's good here other than the pneumonia issue.

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

I have the bottle right here it says ciprofloxacin Hcl 250 mg. the date is 4/23/12. This is the original bottle that they came in. The pill is oval one side says TEVA the other side 5311 sure hope this helps. I think you should watch the sticky that clearly has the sound of pneumonia . Just click on the first picture and you will hear the clicking. Not sure that is what I heard when I saw them. Glad you got home safe. Does the new scale work and did you get those 1cc syringes someone will be here shortly to help you farther

[breazmai]

I have the bottle right here it says ciprofloxacin Hcl 250 mg. the date is 4/23/12. This is the original bottle that they came in. The pill is oval one side says TEVA the other side 5311 sure hope this helps. I think you should watch the sticky that clearly has the sound of pneumonia . Just click on the first picture and you will hear the clicking. Not sure that is what I heard when I saw them. Glad you got home safe. Does the new scale work and did you get those 1cc syringes someone will be here shortly to help you farther

No they don't quite sound like that. it's more of a crackle than a click. yes the scale works awesome and i got two syringes and will get better ones tomorrow. thanks again

[skippy]

I have a cheat sheet for all my meds and they are already in liquid form.
Jackie in Tampa is very good with this as are others on the East Coast (sleeping).
It's not going to take much for these little ones and the dilution needs to be accurate. I've seen the posts in different threads here on the board. Perhaps a search.
Also, I believe Skul is a nocturnal rehabber since they have lots of flying squirrels and is usually up most of the night. You could try sending them a Private Message by going to the Member's List.
I'll see if I can help you find something here before I head off to bed.
It sounds like your munchkin needs the ab's. I hate to make him wait till morning. It's been long enough without them.
Hang in there. You may also want to put a post for the med dosage in the emergency forum to get attention right away.

[skippy]

There are 2 sticky's on the home page of the Emergency Help Needed page.
Medical Math
Dosing Syringe.

Still looking for a post that may have some more information for a 250 mg. Cipro.

Most of this information is PM'd between members so I'm hoping someone will come on board to help you with this one.

The dosage is going to just be a teeny bit once it's diluted properly.

[skippy]

This is from a post for a 525 GRAM Squirrel, with a 500 MG Cipro Caplet, obviously the dosage is not correct for a pinkie but it looks like you would be safe diluting as JIT has directed here. Nancy in NY posted elsewhere that using a ziplock baggy will help contain the meds while crushing.


score and break tablet in half...using ONLY half.
I crush in a tablespoon with a teaspoon...ONLY HALF.(250mg)
really crush as fine as you can.
add ten ccs of water....
shake well...and draw with syringe soon after shaking so it does not settle and seperate.
After it has been mixed for awile it will dissolve better...and stay suspended a wee bit longer, you'll see what I mean.
DON'T FOLLOW THE INFORMATION BELOW, IT'S FOR AN ADULT SQUIRREL
.2cc is dose {about 1/2 inch on 1 cc syringe}
twice a day...7 days
please give proboyics...yogurt will work, daily.
keep in fridge...throw away after 14 days.
This is for 525 gram sq...not Tony @ 375 grms

[Jackie in Tampa]

I am awake if dosing help is needed.
SqsRME:thankyou

[island rehabber]

We should clarify something here, folks:

Cipro and Baytril are NOT the same drug with different names. They are slightly different.
Cipro - ciprofloxacin.......the "people drug"
Baytril - enrofloxacin........the "animal drug"

Animals may take Cipro OR Baytril, and if correctly dosed both are extremely effective. :thumbsup

PEOPLE MUST NOT TAKE BAYTRIL. Ever. Baytril in humans causes seizures and may cause death.

[Jackie in Tampa]

good advise IR!
thanks for the clarification!!!

[kastillo]

Has someone PMed him the dose yet??

[Jackie in Tampa]

:dono

[breazmai]

Sorry soon after I posted last night my dsl went out. I pm'd Jackie in Tampa this morning trying to see if I got the dosing right or not. I called my sis in Va this morning and she contacted a vet friend. Not sure if the dosing was right or not but they told me crush 1/4 of a pill and mix with 20cc of water. give .003 cc to him. I did that but again neither one raises squirrels. He said he was dosing off a mouse? I dont' know. I want to make sure I am doing it right and how often to give it to him. I do appreciate all the help though. Keep it coming. Mo is back to not eating. Im forcing him again. But again he is still dehydrated. I am going to get him subq fluids today and see if he improves. Again I made up the FV formula and am starting to introduce that. I mixed 1/4 FV with 3/4 goats milk formula. hope i'm doing it right

[Jackie in Tampa]

I have sent correct info...just now!:thumbsup
what you have posted would be too weak:)


If you do sub Q... please use warm fluids..
I always try to orally hydrate.. it is time consuming..but the mouth is fastest avenue for rehydration...every drop counts... evrydrop is closer to healing... also babies respond so much better with touch..healing soothing..
I will alternate weak warm dilute molasses water and dilute formula to hydrate...sending good vibes... warm is key to these guys...thanks
:Love_Icon

[kastillo]

Sending prayers for your little ones....:grouphug

[skippy]

Ahhhh...................
Thank you JIT for your help. :thankyou
It was SO needed! :)

I really prayed that his sweet baby held on through the night and continues to improve everyday. Sending lots of love and light from CA.

[breazmai]

Update again. Thank you for all your prayers. the boys are all warm and full. I did get the meds in lil bit and all he has done is sleep and eat. I just got done soaking him in a warm bath cause his little bum is swelled up again. He just laid there sleeping while soaking. He has only pooped once today and no matter what I do I can't get anything but gas coming out. Not sure what is going on but I'm working on it. it's not all hard like it was the other day though.
But yes, all three are still here with me. I've held them and cuddled with them. I changed their bedding today too. They love the fleece I put in there too. I'm still worried about the two little ones but I think they are doing better than they were.

[CritterMom]

Add a little yogurt to the formula. The Stoneyfield Yobaby is really good for this - vanilla is a fave though my guy loved the pear - it is FULL FAT which is very hard to find, and organic, plus it comes in tiny little containers in a 4 pack. The probiotics in yogurt will boost his gut flora. The baby getting the antibiotics should have yogurt added to at least one feeding a day (preferably a feeding several hours before or after the antibiotics, not WITH them).

Do not overheat the formula with the yogurt in it. Float your formula in a little container in a larger one filled with hot water and heat it that way so you don't kill the good bacteria in the yogurt.

[Rhapsody]

How are we doing tonight? --praying and sending healing vibes. :Love_Icon