UNEXPLAINABLE DIARRHEA!

[Scooterzmom]

We have a 6 week old baby who was healthy, was thriving and now suddenly has green diarrhea. There are 5 other ones in the cage with him - all the miracle babies - and after doing so great some of them now are beginning to show signs of soft stools.

The only thing in common that they may have ingested is Teklad blocks and fresh pecans without shells!

ADVICE ASAP PLEASE!

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

there is a parasite that just suddenly shows up, let me look for the drug you might need
Does it have a bad smell??

[Scooterzmom]

there is a parasite that just suddenly shows up, let me look for the drug you might need
Does it have a bad smell??

asking Iwonka... brb

[Scooterzmom]

there is a parasite that just suddenly shows up, let me look for the drug you might need
Does it have a bad smell??

does not smell ultra bad, just like a normal diarrhea.. mind you, Iwonka's nose is plugged - both of us have an awful cold with fever.

Can we humans pass on a virus to the babies?

Another person who got blocks has also a baby who developed diarrhea. Could it be the blocks?

[cuteascnb]

does not smell ultra bad, just like a normal diarrhea.. mind you, Iwonka's nose is plugged - both of us have an awful cold with fever.

Can we humans pass on a virus to the babies?

Another person who got blocks has also a baby who developed diarrhea. Could it be the blocks?


what kinda blocks are they? It could be a parasite...:dono I'll check to see if i can find anything!

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

Kaytee had a recall on block but there were no sick babies it was strictly precautionary ...don't know about the other brand.

[Scooterzmom]

what kinda blocks are they? It could be a parasite...:dono I'll check to see if i can find anything!


Teklad blocks

[cuteascnb]

from what ive seen....doing some quick research...it could be coccidia...Another baby on TSB had like a lime green diahreah...once on FV it hardend up a bit and got lighter but was mucusy and she was treated with AB and was doing good a week later!

Heres the thread

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28244&highlight=lime+green+poop

[CritterMom]

Is it a new bag of blocks that they recently started?

[lilidukes]

I would take away the solids feed only FV and give extra hydration.

Rule out bad food first

[cuteascnb]

It very well possibly could be...I would stop the blocks for a few days to see if they get better....In the meantime...watch them to make sure they are not dehydrated....how are they acting? Normal...lathargic?

[Nancy in New York]

Start pushing hydration. Pedialyte for no more than 24 hours or home made Pedialyte.

1 tsp salt (teaspoon)
3 Tbsp sugar (tablespoon)
1 quart warm water

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

All carry parasites in them, if unduly stressed,sick,overly dehydrated, just a ruff start can weaken the immune system and the buggies raise their ugly head and they babies get diarrhea.
I have seen and read many posts about it but cant find any now, of course, have put in search and I will be reading all night , trying to find someone on the board who knows more.
Switch to pedialyte for right now, the ones who have the diarrhea, get some yogurt also.

[CritterMom]

All carry parasites in them, if unduly stressed,sick,overly dehydrated, just a ruff start can weaken the immune system and the buggies raise their ugly head and they babies get diarrhea.
I have seen and read many posts about it but cant find any now, of course, have put in search and I will be reading all night , trying to find someone on the board who knows more.
Switch to pedialyte for right now, the ones who have the diarrhea, get some yogurt also.

I believe you are thinking coccidia. SMZ-TMP is the usual treatment though I know psychobird has used Baycox (available by order OTC for horses). Also I believe Orphan Mom is wrestling with coccidia right now.

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

I believe you are thinking coccidia. SMZ-TMP is the usual treatment though I know psychobird has used Baycox (available by order OTC for horses). Also I believe Orphan Mom is wrestling with coccidia right now.
Thanks, will double check that thread.

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

here is the thread, read it and see if it sounds like what your babies are doing
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33515&page=7&highlight=orphanmom

[Scooterzmom]

Iwonka is very careful to change their linens frequently every day, but she does not sterilize the cage each time. Now she wonders if maybe some tiny piece of block or nut could have remained behind... especially since the one with green diarrhea is the little piglet of the bunch, always eating and eating. We are wondering if maybe a piece of something could have gone bad and he might have ingested it. Lea also is a purty big eater and she's the one with the soft stools now...

????

[Nancy in New York]

Another person who got blocks has also a baby who developed diarrhea. Could it be the blocks?

This seems like it may be a possibility. Do you know if ALL of the squirrels eat block...you know how some won't touch them...while others love them? The ones affected, are they the only ones that eat these blocks?

[Scooterzmom]

Iwonka is now certain that they ingested something that went bad... especially because they both are little piglets and will ingest anything and everything in sight.

We figure best give some pedia, sustain the hydration for 24 hrs and a bit of yogurt with the AB or Flagyl... then resume the FV once the stools improve.

Question what is the best course of action? Seems it could be either the block or the nuts. Best med would be what? AB (what kind) or Flagyl?

[Scooterzmom]

This seems like it may be a possibility. Do you know if ALL of the squirrels eat block...you know how some won't touch them...while others love them? The ones affected, are they the only ones that eat these blocks?

Others do eat the blocks but so far are not showing signs of illness. The ones affected seem to be only the ones who overeat and have been eating the blocks for a long time.

I also have some of those blocks from the same bag and my guys seem fine.

I think I agree with Iwonka, that something that spoiled may be the cause. She is now sterilizing all the cages, taking no chance. Do you think the AB's are mandatory, or should we just rehydrate, flush that out, and gradually reintroduce the FV?

[lilidukes]

I would flush their systems out first and hold off on the Ab's . Ab's if not needed will just cause more tummy upset.

With coccidia I use SMZ-TMP. Flagyl/Metro for giardia(poop will STINK like something is dead).

Just my opinion.

:grouphug :grouphug babies squirrels :grouphug :grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

I would flush their systems out first and hold off on the Ab's . Ab's if not needed will just cause more tummy upset.

With coccidia I use SMZ-TMP. Flagyl/Metro for giardia(poop will STINK like something is dead).

Just my opinion.

:grouphug :grouphug babies squirrels :grouphug :grouphug

OK :thumbsup :thankyou

[iwonka]

Thank you Mitch and Everybody :grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

Thank you Mitch and Everybody :grouphug
:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon Take care of that awful cold and remember what I told you: TRY to get some rest!!!! :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

WOW you guys are just amazing. I hope you know how much we are all cheering you and your babies on. This must be so overwhelming....but you are handling it like pros....:bowdown :bowdown
I am in awe of you beautiful ladies....:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

WOW you guys are just amazing. I hope you know how much we are all cheering you and your babies on. This must be so overwhelming....but you are handling it like pros....:bowdown :bowdown
I am in awe of you beautiful ladies....:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Iwonka does all the work... just keeping up with her is not easy to do, you can imagine what SHE does :jump

[skippy]

So sorry you're having to deal with poopy problems when you're under the weather yourselves. May you're health improve most quickly.

Have you ever tried using homeopathic treatments for your squirrels?

Green stool can also be from overfeeding, liver problems or bacteria.

A homeopathic treatment which I have used with great success is called
NUX VOMICA in the 1M pellets. You mix 1 pellet with 1cc of purified water in a small bottle cap. let it dissolve and administer just a few drops on their lips or by mouth. You only need to use a few drops of the mixture and make new each time you administer. Giving them the 1cc if they want to take it won't harm them.

I also use Aconite and Arnica when they first arrive as one is for fear and anxiety and the other for pain, bruising and injuries. I give them this while they are warming up and I'm gathering my supplies to treat them. It helps to calm them down and to get something on board that can start healing immediately. You could also use the Bach's Rescue Remedy in a spray form on the bedding they are in to help them relax. The arnica is for the pain, bruising and injuries. I even use the arnica gel topically on my family members for arthritis, bruising and sports injuries. Works great!

You can use homeopathy in conjunction with traditional medicines but give them at separate times of the day.

This is a 1x a day for 3 day treatment. You give it at least 15 minutes before or after food. Not with it. Store the pellets in a dark cool place away from strong odors, especially mint, coffee, spices etc.

Hope you all recover quickly and get back to enjoying the beautiful Spring weather.

[lilidukes]

WOW you guys are just amazing. I hope you know how much we are all cheering you and your babies on. This must be so overwhelming....but you are handling it like pros....:bowdown :bowdown
I am in awe of you beautiful ladies....:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

:goodpost :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[iwonka]

Iwonka does all the work... just keeping up with her is not easy to do, you can imagine what SHE does :jump

Not TRUE!! We are the TEAM!!

Mitch + Julia + iwonka = :Love_Icon mjs :Love_Icon

[iwonka]

Today's update:

I pushed pedialyte to them for 1 day. I added probiotics (Lactobacillus acidophilus) in the hydration too.

They are on the FV formula+probiotics since 3 feedings.

Green diarrhea quickly changed to a white. I do not know how to explain .. it's like mushy/dilueted but not liquid. It does not smell bad at all.

I didn't give any medication yet.

They are 5 in the same, small cage. Three of them are sick but two others are perfectly fine.

The all five react normal, as usual.

Should I give them some medication or do you think this will go by itself?

:thankyou

[Jackie in Tampa]

okay...you all know I am not trained yada yada...
to me...after severe green yucky poops...white poops would indicate they are not digesting or they are over fed.
I would think the first due to a protazoa...or amoeba...:dono

I would use metronidazole for either one..
I know sulfa's are recommended for coccidia, however I have been doing some research, metro is an anti inflammatory in the GI tract..I like that!
It is anti parasitic, anti protozoal, can pass the blood brain barrier, and treats anaerobics...it's a dynamo!!!! not as cheap as baytril...but not expensive either:peace

use the flagyl/metro!!
that's my two cents and sqs do well on it!!!!

[iwonka]

THANK YOU GUYS :grouphug

I started Flagyl this morning.

I made a picture how poop(?) looks like. WARNING - GRAPHIC PICTURE.

Ah.. the smell changed a little bit.. It does not smell bad but it smell "sourish".

Lea and Mila are loking not so bad but Chester - the botton of his body is always wet. He also complains when I touch around his anus. He seems to be in pain. I hear it complain sometimes in the cage also. My poor little sweete.. :Love_Icon I love him so much.. :Love_Icon I want him recover please. :grouphug

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[Pashen]

Her.

[island rehabber]

Her.

:D yes, Chester is more a "Chessie" I think... iwonka I know Flagyl takes time to work....sometimes a week or more...have patience & we're all sending good thoughts to little Chessie!

[pappy1264]

Can I ask why you are adding probiotics? maybe try doing a 50/50 fv/gm for a little while and see if the poop clears up. After Bean I wonder if some just have a little issue digesting fv (I even spoke to Nick about the situation and he agreed.) Maybe it is not digesting completely, that can cause green poop as well as the sour smell.

[iwonka]

:D yes, Chester is more a "Chessie" I think... iwonka I know Flagyl takes time to work....sometimes a week or more...have patience & we're all sending good thoughts to little Chessie!




Chester is a boy. You see Mila on the picture.

The good news, that Lea had a nice poop this morning.
I hope I we see the same soon with Mila and Chester. :Love_Icon

[iwonka]

Can I ask why you are adding probiotics? maybe try doing a 50/50 fv/gm for a little while and see if the poop clears up. After Bean I wonder if some just have a little issue digesting fv (I even spoke to Nick about the situation and he agreed.) Maybe it is not digesting completely, that can cause green poop as well as the sour smell.


Mary, What do you mean by "gm"? Is it goat milk?

I'm adding probiotics to add some friendly bacterias..

[pappy1264]

I have never used probiotics per se (I have given yogurt when they are older). I am just wondering if it is too much for their tummies.

[iwonka]

Maybe.. :dono

I will add yougurt and mixed FV with goat milk for a while. Thank you Mary! xx

I'm sure they got sick by eating teklads that turned bad on the heating pad :sanp3

NO MORE EATING IN THE BED! :nono

[Pashen]

Okay, Mila's picture =) ... I saw that you had male and female names listed and was real curious, if that was Chester's picture, what your female looked like!

Poor, raw bottom. Maybe some Preparation H to take away a little of the pain? I don't know if it should be used if there isn't swelling though.

I only had one batch with diarrhea and it's horrible! I feel for you and your babies.

[iwonka]

There is no change ... milk continue to go through them. I have six kids like this .. I'm discouraged.......

They are on the goat milk + yogurt
Flogyl 2 times a day.

HEEEEEEEELP!!!
:Cry :Cry :Cry

[CritterMom]

Have you tried this? I have no direct knowledge of it but have read good things...
http://www.henryspets.com/dia-stat-probiotics/

[lilidukes]

There is no change ... milk continue to go through them. I have six kids like this .. I'm discouraged.......

They are on the goat milk + yogurt
Flogyl 2 times a day.

HEEEEEEEELP!!!
:Cry :Cry :Cry


iwonka go get some canned pumpkin, organic what ever just not pie filling. Normally helps stop diarrhea.

:grouphug :grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

damn lost my post!
are you sure meds were fresh before dilution?
are you sure dose is correct?
are you keeping meds in fridge?
metro is good for 14 days max in fridge after dilution is made from tablets, if that's their origin.
FV is good for 3 days max after made into formula.
Fresh in the carton GM should be froze into cubes and thawed as needed for longer shelf life...
Listerine is a good gentle fast wiper downer for killing alot of bad germs.
Canned GM is reconstituted and needs to be diluted 50-50 with good water.
Good for only three days in fridge also.
Never store GM in the can, can can cause contaimination.
Fancy yogurt is not necessarily the best yogurt, yogurt is good probotic if not heated too hot.
Well water can cause contamination.
Boosting immune system is ideal...adding FV BOOOST to formula is good idea.
Hope something here helps find solution.

[iwonka]

damn lost my post!
are you sure meds were fresh before dilution?
are you sure dose is correct?
are you keeping meds in fridge?
metro is good for 14 days max in fridge after dilution is made from tablets, if that's their origin.
FV is good for 3 days max after made into formula.
Fresh in the carton GM should be froze into cubes and thawed as needed for longer shelf life...
Listerine is a good gentle fast wiper downer for killing alot of bad germs.
Canned GM is reconstituted and needs to be diluted 50-50 with good water.
Good for only three days in fridge also.
Never store GM in the can, can can cause contaimination.
Fancy yogurt is not necessarily the best yogurt, yogurt is good probotic if not heated too hot.
Well water can cause contamination.
Boosting immune system is ideal...adding FV BOOOST to formula is good idea.
Hope something here helps find solution.

Good news: I've gotten the WILD MAMMAL BABIES by Debra Gode book so I will not bother you anymore with the dosage quesions :)
The Metro I have it's 50mg/kg in A Suspension - the same concentration used in this book as an exemple for dosage.
With a quantity of squirrels I have, I'm doing the fresh formula twice a day.
The GM (carton) is fresh too.
I use the Liberty greek plain yogurt.
The water I use is the one I drink and I boil it.
I wash everything in hot water, change beding each feeding, my washing machine doesn't stop.

I had to sub'q Chester and Mila last night.
I gave 1 drop of Immodium to 6 of them this morning.

:osnap

[iwonka]

iwonka go get some canned pumpkin, organic what ever just not pie filling. Normally helps stop diarrhea.

:grouphug :grouphug

Lili.. how much per 200g squirrel?

[iwonka]

What about this?.. Somebody used this before for squirrels?

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[iwonka]

Have you tried this? I have no direct knowledge of it but have read good things...
http://www.henryspets.com/dia-stat-probiotics/


I don'thave the "DIA-STAT Probiotics" but I used FV Lactobacillus acidophilus, which is part of this product and I added Rice Cereal (for human babies)..

.........................

DIA-STAT helps normalize stool consistency. Provides energy and electrolytes rapidly to the animal to help restore lost fluids. Mix with water only, not milk or milk formula. Use for orphaned mammals. Net wt. 200 g.

Guaranteed Analysis:

Sodium, Min. ... 2.20%
Potassium, Min. ... 0.50%
Magnesium, Min. ... 0.06%
Dextrose, Min. ... 40.00%

Ingredients: Dextrose, Rice Flour, Coconut Oil, Salt, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Calcium lactate, Fructooligosaccharide, Magnesium Sulfate, Citric Acid, Sorbic Acid, Sodium Citrate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Sulfate, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, Dried Streptococcus faecium fermentation product,Dried Aspergillus niger fermentation extract, Dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation extract, Amino Acid Blend, Natural and Artificial flavors.

Mixing directions: Shake 1 teaspoon into 3 ounces of warm (100 F) water. Feed soon after mixing as the liquid will thicken upon setting. Start feeding as soon as possible after indications that the animal needs supplemental energy and electrolytes.
"

[iwonka]

Thank you Lily, Jackie and CritterMom :grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

The babies'" diarrhea is more like the FV or the goat milk (same thing for both) goes RIGHT THROUGH them... like undigested. Their diarrhea smells like the milk. Is it possible that whatever bacteria they have makes it impossible for them to diges their milk/formula? If so, is there some way we can keep this babies and provide some nourishment for them without it being their formula or GM? They are undernourished by now. Would Boost for humans help in any way? I rmember having given Tippy some Pecan flavored boost following the advice of someone here back at the time.

Asking about this because... I have no experience in this respect but, coming from a medical family, I recall being told that we should avoid milk when we had diarrhea.

They have been on Flagyl only. Is it possible that the Flagyl does not act for this bacteria and they would need another AB instead or in combination of? If using another AB, then Baytril or Bactrim? Since these babies are already quite compromised, thinking that Bactrim might be tolerated better but, is it as effective? Should we give that AB in compination owith Flagyl, or do we drop the Flagyl and switch to the other AB?

Please... Does anybody have a vet (who knows squees) to get advice from for this? Ours here know nothing about them and these poor babies are going downhil fast by now. We're scared for them, they are getting weaker and weaker.

[island rehabber]

Since Flagyl is antiparasitic it's not the same as an antibiotic like bactrim or baytril. At this point I would do a drop of immodium or kaopectate every 12 hrs and give BOTH the baytril and the flagyl. Anyone who knows better is welcome to correct me here -- but as they say in emergency medicine: when the alternative is unthinkable, try EVERYTHING.

[Scooterzmom]

Since Flagyl is antiparasitic it's not the same as an antibiotic like bactrim or baytril. At this point I would do a drop of immodium or kaopectate every 12 hrs and give BOTH the baytril and the flagyl. Anyone who knows better is welcome to correct me here -- but as they say in emergency medicine: when the alternative is unthinkable, try EVERYTHING.

OK :thankyou IR... now what about nourishment... 12 hours is a long time without any food/nutrition AGAIN for these babies.

Does the Boost idea sound OK... any better/other suggestion?

[CritterMom]

I was just going to mention Ensure - perhaps it is the same sort of thing? They are designed to be extremely digestible.

[Scooterzmom]

I was just going to mention Ensure - perhaps it is the same sort of thing? They are designed to be extremely digestible.

Yes, actually I mean Ensure Pecan flavor

[island rehabber]

Yes -- Boost and Ensure are both good :thumbsup

[Scooterzmom]

Iwonka gave them their Flagyl this morning, has been feeding them goat milk and yogurt (70% GM+30% high fat yogurt) and bit or rice cereal. That's their "formula" for now (today). She has given them Bactrim this afternoon.

Since then the diarrhea has now gonne from white to golden.

Flagyl morning and evening, Bactrim mid-day and middle of nite is what she intends to do, avoiding giving hem together so as not to tax their GI too much.

I was thinking that since it seems like maybe the Bactrim seems to be kicking in (maybe attacking whatever was preventing them from digesting) that maybe going on with their "formula" and supplement that with Ensure (or Boost) in between the feedings in order to help with hydration and caloric intake.

Does that sound like the right thing to do now?

[I Love Lucy]

Metronidazole (flagyl) can cause diarrhea on its own. If it is going to help you will see an improvement in 48-72 hours. If the stool is not getting thicker and the color better than you need to change your course of treatment. I treat my babies with SMZ/TMP (bactrim) for coccidia for 10-14 days and Metro for giardia for 7 days. Giardia is usually green, smells like death and you usually see an improvement within a few days with the meds. On the other hand Coccidia is much harder to treat because it is a hard parasite to kill. Most meds just give the baby's immune system a chance to fight it and symptoms can linger for weeks. With coccidia their stool can vary from watery, mucousy, loose or pasty. If I'm not sure which one it is I use both meds together. I also add fiber to their formula or use Pediasure with fiber to slow their intestinal track down long enough to absorb meds. The fiber can be used indefinitely but I would only use the Pediasure with fiber for 3-5 days. If you have Dia-stat or deliver with dialene that helps tremendously but can only be used for one day.

I currently have 3 babies that have been battling coccidia for the last week. I unfortunately get lots of babies with diarrhea issues and have never lost one. I hope my protocol helps you.

[I Love Lucy]

I also add acidophilus and prozyme to their formual as well as slightly diluting the FV until the stool is normal. Give them smaller meals more frequently .

[Scooterzmom]

I also add acidophilus and prozyme to their formual as well as slightly diluting the FV until the stool is normal. Give them smaller meals more frequently .

Thank you Lucy and the others who made the suggestions. We'll try to beat this thing.

[astra]

Metronidazole (flagyl) can cause diarrhea on its own. If it is going to help you will see an improvement in 48-72 hours. If the stool is not getting thicker and the color better than you need to change your course of treatment. .
ILL, when you say to change the course of treatment, does that mean that if you do not see improvement fast, it means flagyl is not helping and should be discontinued?. . .sorry if this is obvious, but do not want to assume anything regarding serious issues and just wanted to know for the future

[iwonka]

Metronidazole (flagyl) can cause diarrhea on its own. If it is going to help you will see an improvement in 48-72 hours. If the stool is not getting thicker and the color better than you need to change your course of treatment. I treat my babies with SMZ/TMP (bactrim) for coccidia for 10-14 days and Metro for giardia for 7 days. Giardia is usually green, smells like death and you usually see an improvement within a few days with the meds. On the other hand Coccidia is much harder to treat because it is a hard parasite to kill. Most meds just give the baby's immune system a chance to fight it and symptoms can linger for weeks. With coccidia their stool can vary from watery, mucousy, loose or pasty. If I'm not sure which one it is I use both meds together. I also add fiber to their formula or use Pediasure with fiber to slow their intestinal track down long enough to absorb meds. The fiber can be used indefinitely but I would only use the Pediasure with fiber for 3-5 days. If you have Dia-stat or deliver with dialene that helps tremendously but can only be used for one day.

I currently have 3 babies that have been battling coccidia for the last week. I unfortunately get lots of babies with diarrhea issues and have never lost one. I hope my protocol helps you.

Thank you ILL!

Is it true that coccidia smell bad also?
I would say that my babies poops smell almost nice.

:thinking

[iwonka]

WARNING - GRAPHIC PICTURE.











This is where we are today - 4 days after I started Flagyl.

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[iwonka]

I bought this yougurt today.

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[I Love Lucy]

Coccidia diarrhea lacks the strong odor that giardia gives. That poop looks like coccidia to me. My girls had the same thing and it took 7 days on SMZ to get formed poop but I will not stop the meds for 10-14 days. I noticed in the pic how irritated her bottom is and I would use a small amount of diaper cream on a Qtip.

Astra - From my experiences you have to be flexible when treating diarrhea. I will change protocol if I am not happy with progress. A lot of the meds used for GI parasites can and should be used together. I have spent hundreds of dollars on stool analyses with inconclusive results. If the diarrhea is green and/or smelly I treat for both giardia and coccidia simultaneously. There are a few drugs I use to treat giardia but for coccidia I currently use SMZ. I actually just ordered generic Baycox (totrazuril) to try next time I suspect coccidia.

[iwonka]

Coccidia diarrhea lacks the strong odor that giardia gives. That poop looks like coccidia to me. My girls had the same thing and it took 7 days on SMZ to get formed poop but I will not stop the meds for 10-14 days. I noticed in the pic how irritated her bottom is and I would use a small amount of diaper cream on a Qtip.

Astra - From my experiences you have to be flexible when treating diarrhea. I will change protocol if I am not happy with progress. A lot of the meds used for GI parasites can and should be used together. I have spent hundreds of dollars on stool analyses with inconclusive results. If the diarrhea is green and/or smelly I treat for both giardia and coccidia simultaneously. There are a few drugs I use to treat giardia but for coccidia I currently use SMZ. I actually just ordered generic Baycox (totrazuril) to try next time I suspect coccidia.

Thank you ILL :grouphug

1. Stop flagyl.
2. Continue with SMZ - today it's a 2'nd day
3. Give them immodium every 12 hours
4. Add fibers - I have to find some, I could not find Pediasure with fiber.

I'm applying the diaper cream already.. I wash theirs bottons every feedings.. maybe washing them so often irritates them more than helps?

PLEASE ADVICE.

:grouphug :Love_Icon

[I Love Lucy]

I would do steps 1, 2 and 4 plus slightly dilute FV, smaller and more frequent feedings. If you have acidophilus and Prozyme I would add them to formula. I wouldn't bathe them because the area is already too wet. I gently blot their bottoms dry after feedings because that is when they tend to expel. I use Benefiber or Metamucil which is easy to find. Add 1/4 tsp per 30 ml of formula.

How are their appetites and activity?

[iwonka]

I would do steps 1, 2 and 4 plus slightly dilute FV, smaller and more frequent feedings. If you have acidophilus and Prozyme I would add them to formula. I wouldn't bathe them because the area is already too wet. I gently blot their bottoms dry after feedings because that is when they tend to expel. I use Benefiber or Metamucil which is easy to find. Add 1/4 tsp per 30 ml of formula.

How are their appetites and activity?


:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown


appetites and activity just perfect - normal..

[I Love Lucy]

:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown


appetites and activity just perfect - normal..

Normal appetites and activity is great and typical with Coccidia. Be patient it will go away. I know how frustrating it can be and disgusting as well. One of my girls took 11 days to get better and the other two it was 7 days. Keep their bedding and cage as clean as possible (this is challenging) so they don't reinfect themselves. Unfortunately there is not a disinfectant around that kills it on hard surfaces but if you keep their feeding stuff clean you should be ok.

[astra]

Astra - From my experiences you have to be flexible when treating diarrhea. I will change protocol if I am not happy with progress. A lot of the meds used for GI parasites can and should be used together. I have spent hundreds of dollars on stool analyses with inconclusive results. If the diarrhea is green and/or smelly I treat for both giardia and coccidia simultaneously. There are a few drugs I use to treat giardia but for coccidia I currently use SMZ. I actually just ordered generic Baycox (totrazuril) to try next time I suspect coccidia.
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[iwonka]

Normal appetites and activity is great and typical with Coccidia. Be patient it will go away. I know how frustrating it can be and disgusting as well. One of my girls took 11 days to get better and the other two it was 7 days. Keep their bedding and cage as clean as possible (this is challenging) so they don't reinfect themselves. Unfortunately there is not a disinfectant around that kills it on hard surfaces but if you keep their feeding stuff clean you should be ok.


I change theirs bedding each feeding. Wash the tissues in hot water and adding bleach (I developed new colors lol)
I'm washing their cages with the Lysol Disinfecting Wipes (it sais: kills 99.99% of viruses and bacteria).
For each feeding I use 21 sirynges (ABs, yogurt, formula)

The interesting think is that in one cage I have 2 babies. One is sick and one is not. However the one no sick had pneumonia when I got her and I gave her the bactrim for 5 days.

Thank you very much ILL :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

Posting for Iwonka: How much acidophilus and prozyme should she add to the formula?

[I Love Lucy]

FYI while bleach and those wipes kill a lot of bad germs they do not kill coccidia on hard surfaces. I have yet to find a disnfectant that does but I am still researching. Be careful using those wipes on the cages make sure you rinse cages well with water after using them. The chemicals in those wipes can be poisonous to babies who love to lick and chew the bars.

I put about about a 1/4 tsp of prozyme in 60 ml of formula and I have never used yogurt or goats milk.

[Pip]

Posting a question for Iwonka (and also on a new thread): ILL (and anyone) could you please tell us how you clean and disinfect everything, including syringes, for your babies with diarrhea :thankyou.

[I Love Lucy]

I am currently using Palmolive Pure & Clear and very hot water to wash feeding supplies after each meal. I have also used other unscented natural dish detergents.

Iwonka or scooterzmom - How are the babies?

[iwonka]

I am currently using Palmolive Pure & Clear and very hot water to wash feeding supplies after each meal. I have also used other unscented natural dish detergents.

Iwonka or scooterzmom - How are the babies?

Thanks for caring ILL :grouphug

Babies are doing better. :grouphug
They are more energetic than yesterday.. I have a kindergarten area in the middle of my table (cleaned between each nest) and they started to act and play like the normal babies squirrels. :thumbsup

Poop still liquid but not as watered as yestarday. Color is nice also.

Your idea to not bathed them was great.. they are a little dirty but there's bottom are not red anymore. :thumbsup

I'm sure, I will cry when I will see them to poop normally. :osnap

Another question.. do you have any care tip for my hands?.. They are scratched and with hot water, alcohol, etc. I look like being fought with 100 cats.. On top of this it hurts me. :( I'm using gloves but they don't stay intact for a long time. :thinking

I put the polysporin on my hands but it didn't help a lot.:thinking

[Scooterzmom]

Thanks for caring ILL :grouphug

Babies are doing better. :grouphug
They are more energetic than yesterday.. I have a kindergarten area in the middle of my table (cleaned between each nest) and they started to act and play like the normal babies squirrels. :thumbsup

Poop still liquid but not as watered as yestarday. Color is nice also.

Your idea to not bathed them was great.. they are a little dirty but there's bottom are not red anymore. :thumbsup

I'm sure, I will cry when I will see them to poop normally. :osnap

Another question.. do you have any care tip for my hands?.. They are scratched and with hot water, alcohol, etc. I look like being fought with 100 cats.. On top of this it hurts me. :( I'm using gloves but they don't stay intact for a long time. :thinking

I put the polysporin on my hands but it didn't help a lot.:thinking

Can't tell you how happy I am that the babies are making progress. You're doing so, so great with all of them. :bowdown

I just got an idea for your hands Iwonka - based on an idea from Stosh :):

(In French so it's easier for you): des bas "tubes" dont tu coupes le bout... tu pourrais les enfiler, les mettre PAR DESSUS tes gants, tes doights seraient libres de travailler sans être trop épais mais le dessus de tes mains et tes avant-bras seraient protégés au moins d'une épaisseur additionnelle. Pour protéger tes mains des produits de nettoyage, de bons vieux gants de caoutchouc pendant que tu nettoies et une bonne crème à mains pour les égratignures que tu as déjà :dono

English translation so others might benefit if need be for them too: tube socks with the tips cut off; slip them over your gloves so you have double thickness to protect the top of your hands and forearms but your fingers remain free to handle things easily. For protection against the cleaning products, good old fasioned rubber gloves and treating the existing scratches with Vaseline Intensive care or another extreme care hand cream.

Hope those suggestions can help :grouphug

[iwonka]

tube socks with the tips cut off; slip them over your gloves so you have double thickness to protect the top of your hands and forearms but your fingers remain free to handle things easily. For protection against the cleaning products, good old fasioned rubber gloves and treating the existing scratches with Vaseline Intensive care or another extreme care hand cream.

Hope those suggestions can help :grouphug

:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

So easy and so brilliant! :secret :thumbsup


I will have to buy bunch of new socks for my boyfriend.. Fist I took some for the "Rice Buddies" and now I will took more! :rolf

:thankyou

[Scooterzmom]

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I will have to buy bunch of new socks for my boyfriend.. Fist I took some for the "Rice Buddies" and now I will took more! :rolf

:thankyou

For rubber gloves I mean surgical ones, so it makes it easier to get in the corners etc Besides you can put baby powder in the surgical ones, it helps keep the hands moist when you have to wear the gloves for an extended period of time.


Socks... You could always cut them up, pretend like nothing and when you are done, just put them back in the drawer :devil I'd like to be a fly on the wall and see his face when he slips his socks on and finds himself with a bunch of "toe-less" socks :jump :jump :jump

[island rehabber]

iwonka, I just want to give you one of these:grouphug and many, many of these :bowdown

Until I took in little Sky on Monday, I did not fully understand the huge amount of work that goes into caring for baby squirrels with continual diarrhea. :shakehead (I have, fortunately, almost never dealt with this before...:dono.) Here I have ONE baby, with ONE little behind, and the mess, stinkyness and frustration is overwhelming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you're dealing with, having so many like this. You have my respect, admiration, and heart. :Love_Icon

[iwonka]

Socks... You could always cut them up, pretend like nothing and when you are done, just put them back in the drawer :devil I'd like to be a fly on the wall and see his face when he slips his socks on and finds himself with a bunch of "toe-less" socks :jump :jump :jump

I knew I was missed something in my life before I met you ! :Love_Icon :jump

[iwonka]

iwonka, I just want to give you one of these:grouphug and many, many of these :bowdown

Until I took in little Sky on Monday, I did not fully understand the huge amount of work that goes into caring for baby squirrels with continual diarrhea. :shakehead (I have, fortunately, almost never dealt with this before...:dono.) Here I have ONE baby, with ONE little behind, and the mess, stinkyness and frustration is overwhelming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you're dealing with, having so many like this. You have my respect, admiration, and heart. :Love_Icon


:thankyou Maura!

In French we say: "Je suis dans la merde jusqu'au cou." (Mitch, does this expression exist in English?)
It has many meanings. All them works in my current case.

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[I Love Lucy]

I am so glad they are improving. It does take time. I thought my girls were all better and yesterday I picked one up and she dripped poop all over me. The next feeding her poop was fine. It is frustrating and disgusting. Last season I had 5 of them with diarrhea and I once had 11. YUCKY!!!!!!!

I love the sock idea. Cheap and easy to clean. I always start with gloves but give up on them. My daughter told me I look like I live in sticky bushes because of all my scratches. I have them all over my upper body and even my face.

It all comes with the job ---- I love it.

[island rehabber]

Sky will get his third round of Sulfatrim tonight, ILoveLucy, per your recommendation. Fingers crossed!!:thankyou

[island rehabber]

In French we say: "Je suis dans la merde jusqu'au cou." (Mitch, does this expression exist in English?)


Oh I get it!! :rotfl Right now my merde is only up to my ankles but it's bad enough! :rotfl

[skippy]

Posting a question for Iwonka (and also on a new thread): ILL (and anyone) could you please tell us how you clean and disinfect everything, including syringes, for your babies with diarrhea :thankyou.

Nolvasan Disinfectant
Chlorhexidine Diacetate disinfectant, bactericide & virucide used for cleaning, disinfecting & deodorizing. Aids in control of Canine Distemper & Corona, Equine Influenza, Parainfluenza-3, Feline Rhino & others at 3oz/gal of water. Use loz/gal water for maintenance. Do not use directly on animals. Use on pre-cleaned surfaces.

We use it to clean EVERYTHING in our wildlife center and at our homes where we rehab squirrels. No odor and safe to use around wildlife. Also as it's a concentrate, we can add a small amount to hot water to soak all our feeding equipment in including the nipples. I soak overnite but take out the nipples after an hour or so. Then just rinse everything off with hot water before using it.

[Pip]

:grouphug How are all the sweet babies doing? :Love_Icon I hope they are improving by leaps and bounds! :grouphug

[iwonka]

Poop it's a la "tooth paste" for one nest and much better for the second nest.

Can I introduce blocks, vegetables or nuts now?

What about branches?

They seem to be bored :(

[MiriamS]

OH iwonka, what you've been through! Pasty poop is such a relief at this point isn't it? I was told in a similar situation that introducing blocks would be okay and might even help bind up the poop. You don't want to give too many new foods and I tried an acorn thinking it was the most natural food but it made things much worse. No fruit either but lettuce is probably okay because it's roughage.

Congratulations on getting all of your babies through the diarrhea. You must be exhausted and tired of doing laundry.

[I Love Lucy]

I would definitely give them block but nothing else until poop is formed completely for a few days.

I'm glad you sent me a PM because I am too busy, busy with babies to thread surf. I am so happy they are better.

[Scooterzmom]

OH iwonka, what you've been through! Pasty poop is such a relief at this point isn't it? I was told in a similar situation that introducing blocks would be okay and might even help bind up the poop. You don't want to give too many new foods and I tried an acorn thinking it was the most natural food but it made things much worse. No fruit either but lettuce is probably okay because it's roughage.

Congratulations on getting all of your babies through the diarrhea. You must be exhausted and tired of doing laundry.

Sorry Miriam, don't mean to overrun you :hidechair but I would hold off on the lettuce... in humans it can help us go. Blocks only until the poop is formed, as ILL advised is what I too would suggest.

[MiriamS]

Definitely overrule anything I say! I'm new at this and just posting what others have told me previously.

[iwonka]

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[Pip]

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