squirrel can not use their hind legs

[caneraydeniz]

Hello
1 week before that, the squirrel
There was no problem, but right now is going to drag their hind legs
No pain in the past was very active but very sluggish.
By eating nuts, walnuts, chestnuts, core eating
Now, always fleeing in the dark circulating
What should I do please help

[caneraydeniz]

Hello
1 week before that, the squirrel
There was no problem, but right now is going to drag their hind legs
No pain in the past was very active but very sluggish.
By eating nuts, walnuts, chestnuts, core eating
Now, always fleeing in the dark circulating
What should I do please help

This video

http://youtu.be/HjBJW5bWcuk

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

Hello...welcome
1.We need to know the diet and what kind of squirrel and how old.
2. Most likely you need to give your baby calcium NOW!!!!
Emergency Treatment for MBD



Get calcium into the squirrel IMMEDIATELY, not later, not tomorrow, NOW.

Delaying treatment can cause death or permanent paralysis.



You will need:

-Tums, rolaids, or calcium supplement (any kind)
-a syringe or spoon



Crush one pill and add a little water or fruit juice to make a paste.
Use the syringe or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone.

The first day, give a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, spread throughout the day/night to maintain blood calcium levels.



Important!


1. Any kind of calcium pill is okay for the initial dose.
But you must use PLAIN calcium pills (without Vit D) from then on.


2. Try to give many small doses of calcium throughout the day/night to keep blood calcium levels as steady as possible.


3. If seizures or paralysis worsen or return, give another emergency dose, and make sure you check back in to TSB for help as relapses can be very serious.

The acute symptoms (weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis) will usually improve within a few hours, but this does not mean the squirrel is cured. It will take many months to rebuild the calcium in the bones. (See the "Long-Term Treatment for MBD" )



More Tips


MBD causes brittle bones that break easily. Try to keep your squirrel confined to a small cage and away from high places, where he might jump and break a bone.



Heat is very soothing for a squirrel with MBD. A heating pad turned to low and placed so they cannot chew the pad or cord, or a rice buddy (a sock filled with dry rice/beans and microwaved for about 20 seconds) will work - squish the sock to distribute rice evenly inside to avoid hot spots.


Long-Term Treatment for MBD



The next step to curing MBD is to fix the diet.



[HRT4SQRLS]

caneyraydeniz,
PLEASE, I hope you are giving the Calcium NOW. His life depends on it!!!!!!!

THIS needs to be in the EMERGENCY FORUM!!!!

[caneraydeniz]

Hello...welcome
1.We need to know the diet and what kind of squirrel and how old.
2. Most likely you need to give your baby calcium NOW!!!!
Emergency Treatment for MBD



Get calcium into the squirrel IMMEDIATELY, not later, not tomorrow, NOW.

Delaying treatment can cause death or permanent paralysis.



You will need:

-Tums, rolaids, or calcium supplement (any kind)
-a syringe or spoon



Crush one pill and add a little water or fruit juice to make a paste.
Use the syringe or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone.

The first day, give a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, spread throughout the day/night to maintain blood calcium levels.



Important!


1. Any kind of calcium pill is okay for the initial dose.
But you must use PLAIN calcium pills (without Vit D) from then on.


2. Try to give many small doses of calcium throughout the day/night to keep blood calcium levels as steady as possible.


3. If seizures or paralysis worsen or return, give another emergency dose, and make sure you check back in to TSB for help as relapses can be very serious.

The acute symptoms (weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis) will usually improve within a few hours, but this does not mean the squirrel is cured. It will take many months to rebuild the calcium in the bones. (See the "Long-Term Treatment for MBD" )



More Tips


MBD causes brittle bones that break easily. Try to keep your squirrel confined to a small cage and away from high places, where he might jump and break a bone.



Heat is very soothing for a squirrel with MBD. A heating pad turned to low and placed so they cannot chew the pad or cord, or a rice buddy (a sock filled with dry rice/beans and microwaved for about 20 seconds) will work - squish the sock to distribute rice evenly inside to avoid hot spots.


Long-Term Treatment for MBD



The next step to curing MBD is to fix the diet.



Sorry about my English a little bit worse
I can not find exact results in turkey ...
Squirrel squirrel than a year, and anatolia

[HRT4SQRLS]

Do you understand the instructions?

[island rehabber]

Your english is fine -- we understand you :)
Can you get antacid tablets (like Tums) or Calcium supplement with D3? It is very important that you get calcium into this squirrel quickly.

[caneraydeniz]

Do you understand the instructions?

Yes, I understand the instructions I give urgent calcium thanks
I need to do for several days?

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

ŞİMDİ, HEMEN, en geç, yarın değil sincap, kalsiyum alın.
Tedavi Geciktirme ölüm ya da kalıcı felce neden olabilir. 
 


İhtiyacınız olanlar: 
 
-Tums, rolaids veya kalsiyum takviyesi (her türlü) 
-bir şırınga ya da kaşık

Bir hap ezin ve bir macun yapmak için biraz su veya meyve suyu ekleyin.
Tüm bitene kadar, bir anda karışım, biraz zorla beslemek için şırınga veya kaşık kullanın.

İlk gün, kan kalsiyum seviyesini korumak için gündüz / gece boyunca yayılmış kalsiyum 600-800 mg toplam vermek. 
 


Önemli! 
 

1. Kalsiyum hapı her türlü başlangıç ​​dozu için iyidir.
Ama bundan sonra (D vitamini hariç) DÜZ kalsiyum hapları kullanmak gerekir. 


2. Mümkün olduğunca düzenli olarak kan kalsiyum seviyesini düşük tutmak için gündüz / gece boyunca kalsiyum pek çok küçük dozlarda vermeye çalışın.


 3. Nöbet veya felç kötüleşmesi veya dönerseniz, başka bir acil doz vermek ve nüks çok ciddi olabilir gibi yardım için TSB için tekrar kontrol edin. 
 
 akut semptomlar (halsizlik, uyuşukluk, nöbet, felç) genellikle birkaç saat içinde artıracak , ancak bu sincap tedavi anlamına gelmez. Bu kemiklerde kalsiyum yeniden inşa etmek için aylar alacak. ( "MBD Uzun Süreli Tedavi" kısmına bakınız)


 
 Daha İpuçları 


MBD kolay kırılabilir kırılgan kemiklere neden olur. Lütfen sincap küçük bir kafes ve uzakta o atlamak ve bir kemik bozabilecek yüksek yerlere gelen sınırlı tutmaya çalışın.

Isı çok MBD ile bir sincap için yatıştırıcıdır. Bir ısıtma pedi düşük döndü ve böylece pedi veya kordon çiğnemek, ya da bir pirinç dostum (kuru pirinç / çekirdekleri ile dolu ve yaklaşık 20 saniye mikro dalgada bir çorap) çalışacak olamaz yerleştirilir - önlemek için içinde eşit olarak pirinç dağıtmak için çorap daraltalım sıcak noktalar.

I hope my friend translated well for you

[HRT4SQRLS]

:Welcome caneraydeniz,

How are things? Did you get the Calcium in your squirrel? Does he/she have a name?

You will need to continue treatment ( extra Calcium ) for at least 8 weeks. You will also need to CHANGE his diet. You will find the information in the Nutrition area.


FOR LATER THIS WILL HELP.

Long-Term Treatment for MBD

The next step to curing MBD is to fix the diet.

1. Remove ALL seeds, nuts, corn, and treats.

2. Follow the Healthy Diet For Pet Squirrels, which can be found at the top of the “Squirrel Nutrition” forum. (http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16093) Your squirrel MUST eat rodent block or squirrel blocks every day. If your squirrel doesn't like rodent blocks, you can try crushing them up with peanut butter or avocado temporarily. You can also make a tastier version of squirrel blocks using the recipe at the top of the Squirrel Nutrition forum.

3. In addition to the Healthy Diet, you will need to continue giving extra calcium every day for several weeks. Either use the syringe/eyedropper or you can try putting the calcium on a small piece of fruit.

Week 1: calcium = 500 mg per day
Week 2: calcium = 250 mg per day
Weeks 3-8: calcium = 100 mg per day

The cause of the acute symptoms—weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis—is a drop in blood calcium levels. If these symptoms return at any time, you will need to give another emergency dose of calcium.

[island rehabber]

SSM, thank your friend for doing that! I was waiting for my 87-yr old Turkish neighbor to get home so I could ask him! Now I won't have to bother him.

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

SSM, thank your friend for doing that! I was waiting for my 87-yr old Turkish neighbor to get home so I could ask him! Now I won't have to bother him.

Lets hope she can read it.:D

[caneraydeniz]

SSM, thank your friend for doing that! I was waiting for my 87-yr old Turkish neighbor to get home so I could ask him! Now I won't have to bother him.

Can I talk to your neighbor to tell me I better

[caneraydeniz]

Externally these are We previously
Now the situation worse

Just nuts, seeds, water chestnuts gave
Do you think these could not be sourced?

http://youtu.be/3UIK8e-ZS3c

http://youtu.be/DJvR8FqJey0

[caneraydeniz]

500 mg calcium supplement per day doing
Besides what I have to eat
can you tell me a food menu?

[lilidukes]

NO NUTS!!!!!

rodent block...pet rat food

fresh vegetables

[HRT4SQRLS]

caneraydeniz,

Can you get a rodent (rat) block in Turkey?

Any of these vegetables will be good.

Recommended vegetables:
Arugula, Bell Pepper, bok choy, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage (red or green), chayote, Chinese cabbage, cauliflower, mushrooms, purslane, watercress
Lettuces:Boston, bib, chicory, endive, escarole,radicchio,romaine

Vegetables (Limited amounts):
Artichokes, avocada, asparagus,carrots, celery, cilantro, collard greens, cucumber, dandelion greens, fennel, fresh corn, green beans, okra, parsley, squash, sugar snap peas, sweet potato, tomato

[caneraydeniz]

Hi thanks
but it is not the case yiyebilecek
Can I give you a syringe to mix them
Olurmu a problem or
could you please cut me a recipe for mama?

[caneraydeniz]

can not use his back legs have become thoroughly
What should I do.
Calcium is constantly giving as you say ...

[island rehabber]

Did he improve at all since the calcium?
If not, I wonder if he had an injury. He may have sprained or broken his back, or a slipped disc....is there any exotic veterinarian near you?

[caneraydeniz]

Did he improve at all since the calcium?
If not, I wonder if he had an injury. He may have sprained or broken his back, or a slipped disc....is there any exotic veterinarian near you?


I give 600 mg daily
In addition, various food
was light brown droppings
just too tired to snuff

A pain or ache in any part of
No sign of injury, a broken
I'm massaging the feet of the back, but always
He likes not even groan
Continuous asleep.
Unfortunately, no vet around I do not

Please help

[HRT4SQRLS]

In the first video, he could move his feet. Can he still move his feet?

Is he drinking water? Is he eating? (NO NUTS or SEEDS)

Don't let him climb. With low Calcium his bones are soft and can break easily.

Can you get Calcium with Vitamin D3? It is better! Keep giving daily Calcium.

Treatment takes a long time.

[caneraydeniz]

In the first video, he could move his feet. Can he still move his feet?

Is he drinking water? Is he eating? (NO NUTS or SEEDS)

Don't let him climb. With low Calcium his bones are soft and can break easily.

Can you get Calcium with Vitamin D3? It is better! Keep giving daily Calcium.

Treatment takes a long time.

Unfortunately, the waste can not move their feet
calcium give drug names
calciday D3 efervesan tablet

I give myself the water with a syringe.
bread, lettuce, apple, potato hitherto I

I'm willing to take a longer time as long as they heal ...

What advice to give, what else ...

[HRT4SQRLS]

Unfortunately, the waste can not move their feet
calcium give drug names
calciday D3 efervesan tabletCalciday D3 sounds good--??efervesan tablet--does it bubble??

I give myself the water with a syringe.
bread, lettuce, apple, potato hitherto I Could you include some of the vegetables from the list.

I'm willing to take a longer time as long as they heal ... Very Good--it WILL take time!

What advice to give, what else ... He really does need the Rat Block. Could you look online and order it if you can not get it in Turkey.

[skunkangel]

Sounds like MBD, but remember - this can occur without Vitamin D too. Sunlight is ESSENTIAL in squirrel rearing. Excerpt from this site - Carol Hardee Florida Rehab Manual - http://webspace.webring.com/people/ms/safaricharly_48/manual.pdf

We have had very good success in treating MBD by immediately placing the patient on a regime, which provides a high calcium intake. We place the squirrel back on formula (Esbilac), and orally give calcium glubionate at each feeding. (See tables and charts for ordering and dosages). If the squirrel is old enough to eat solids, we also sprinkle the calcium carbonate powder liberally on all solid foods offered, avoiding offering foods high in phosphorous. We also provide a minimum of 30 minutes of sunlight daily. These patients should be kept in the indoor-sized cages rather than outdoor cages to minimize overt exercise and possible stress fractures. Be sure to check the teeth for possible overgrowth also as this often occurs as well.
Over the years, we have saved dozens of squirrels that were admitted with seizures, dragging their hind legs and unable to walk, and were on a path of destruction caused by ignorance on the part of the caretaker. This disease is totally preventable, curable in all but the final stages, and the treatments are easily administered. It is a disease frequently misdiagnosed even by expert medical personnel.

[caneraydeniz]

He really does need the Rat Block. Could you look online and order it if you can not get it in Turkey.

Takes a little longer to prepare the tablet
If all the water I give
Bubble does not happen.

Blocks, so I can not say, did not have a turkey.

As you eat me
that I should tell you ...

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

In Turkey you need to get kalsiyum ile antiasit
let us know what is on the label and someone can figure out the dosage. It is an anacid with calcium.

[caneraydeniz]

We have given the not eating now
me so
oranges, potatoes, lettuce, parsley, cabbage, garlic, apple, radish
How do you think I give a mixture with a syringe and
not eating any other kind of
Does no harm?

[island rehabber]

oranges, potatoes, lettuce, parsley, cabbage, garlic, apple, radish

YES: apple, lettuce, oranges, radish, parsley

NO: potatoes, garlic

I am using Google Translator -- hope this is right!

ALSO GOOD: in Turkish: roka, escarole, karahindiba, bakliyat
only feed the sweet potatoes (tatlı patates, Yam) NOT white potatoes

Can you get a milk replacer for PUPPIES (köpek süt ikame) ?

[caneraydeniz]

YES: apple, lettuce, oranges, radish, parsley

NO: potatoes, garlic

I am using Google Translator -- hope this is right!

ALSO GOOD: in Turkish: roka, escarole, karahindiba, bakliyat
only feed the sweet potatoes (tatlı patates, Yam) NOT white potatoes

Can you get a milk replacer for PUPPIES (köpek süt ikame) ?

Yeah, right, thank you very much
No potatoes, and garlic
you say you squeeze the juice extractor
I give water with a syringe
I hope this is not harmful
I hope not, and diarrhea ...

I am grateful you are trying to help too
THANK YOU VERY VERY

Can you get a milk replacer for PUPPIES (köpek süt ikame)
I'm not understand

[island rehabber]

bebek köpekler için süt tozu ?

You can give that to him if he will take it. Very good for him right now. :)

[island rehabber]

I must go feed my babies -- I am late :D

[caneraydeniz]

I must go feed my babies -- I am late :D
Will be back soon!


Thank you very much see you later :D

[island rehabber]

Folks: I am heading out to sing Easter service -- if anyone can help caneraydeniz using the Translator, just go to Google and hit "Translator" and you plug in the languages you want -- so eaasy!

[HRT4SQRLS]

Dikkatli şırınga ile su veriyor. Onu, akciğerlerde sıvı almak istemiyorum. Bu pnömoniye neden olabilir.


I hope it says: Be careful giving water with a syringe. You don't want to get water in his lungs. It will cause pneumonia.

Wow Google translator--so cool! :D

[caneraydeniz]

Hi, I've never seen a couple of days urinated
may wonder why?

[island rehabber]

Hi, I've never seen a couple of days urinated
may wonder why?

He is dehydrated. Try very hard to get fluids into him!

O, susuz. Onu içine sıvı almak çok zor deneyin!

[caneraydeniz]

He is dehydrated. Try very hard to get fluids into him!

O, susuz. Onu içine sıvı almak çok zor deneyin!

We are aqueous calcium and
aqueous food püreleride
it does not address the water needs of this?

In addition, I have to water the plunger operation?

Is it necessary to give antibiotics?

[caneraydeniz]

We are aqueous calcium and
aqueous food püreleride
it does not address the water needs of this?

In addition, I have to water the plunger operation?

Is it necessary to give antibiotics?

Very lethargic does not want to wake up from ... (

[caneraydeniz]

Very lethargic does not want to wake up from ... (

a white liquid started coming through the eyes of the squirrel
like tears

[island rehabber]

a white liquid started coming through the eyes of the squirrel
like tears

He is in pain. :( the white tears are a sign of pain.

caneraydeniz, I still think he may have injured himself somehow. Are you sure there are no veterinarians available?

[caneraydeniz]

He is in pain. :( the white tears are a sign of pain.

caneraydeniz, I still think he may have injured himself somehow. Are you sure there are no veterinarians available?


Yes, I'm sure
I looked at the ground but I do not much
Even the squirrels do not have turkey on
Please help what happens to me very sad: (
Tears now flowing white: (

It can play back feet of tension ...

[caneraydeniz]

Feet, knee and ankle while yawning
Water does not drink
Calcium is constantly giving
Squeeze the juice extractor did mama
forced to give water.
There is still no movement, but
always lies

Is it necessary to give antibiotics?
Is it necessary to give pain relief?

please help: (

[merman]

Caner selam..
Tum yazilanlari okumadan once yaziyorum.
Eger seni aramami istersen, lutfen bana telefon numarani mesaj olarak gonder.
Ben yazilanlara bakip sana nasil yardimci olabilecegimizi yazacagim.
Hatta Island Rehabber in ozel bir mesaji varsa sana ceviri yapacagim.

Lutfen bana ozelden telefon numarani gonder, haberleselim.

Vas

========================

My message to him in English:
Caner hi,
I am writing to you now before i go through the thread.
If you want me to call you, please PM me your telephone number.
I will read all the posts in the thread and try to help you.
If IR or someone has got a special note to be translated for you, i will translate and post.

Please send me your telephone number, and be in touch!

Vas

[merman]

Oh,

As i see this is another Persian Squirrel.
Or you can call it Caucasian.
Same species as Mia :Love_Icon

Hope we can help.
I am going through the thread!

xxxxxx
-Vas





Externally these are We previously
Now the situation worse

Just nuts, seeds, water chestnuts gave
Do you think these could not be sourced?

http://youtu.be/3UIK8e-ZS3c

http://youtu.be/DJvR8FqJey0

[island rehabber]

Vas! Bless you x 100 for responding to my email :grouphug

I hope we can still help poor Caner's squirrel.....:grouphug

[merman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjBJW5bWcuk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

This video of Caner shows exactly how Mia was on Christmas 2008!




Externally these are We previously
Now the situation worse

Just nuts, seeds, water chestnuts gave
Do you think these could not be sourced?

http://youtu.be/3UIK8e-ZS3c

http://youtu.be/DJvR8FqJey0

[merman]

Caner yeniden selam.
Caner Hi again

Sincap halen hayatta mi !?
Is the squirrel still alive!?

Kemirgenler icin veya kabaca belirtmek gerekirse SICAN'lar icin satilan blok veya biskuvi halinde yem bulabilir misin ?
Turkiye'de neredesin ? Istanbul'da isen daha rahat bulabilirsin.
Can you find block food for the rodents, especially for RATS ?
Where are you in Turkey? If you are in Istanbul you may find in pet shops.
(indeed, i am not sure, coz generally they don't like rats and rat varieties in TR)


Ilk etapta KALSIYUM takviyesine devam et.
Eczanelerden temin edebilecegin KALSIYUM haplari ezip sulandirip siringa ile agzina sikabilirsin, ama cok dikkatli olmaya calis, azar azar ver ki burnuna veya cigerlerine kacmasin!
As the first step, continue giving calcium.
You can get calcium pills from pharmacies and smash/grind them and put a little water and give her using syringe.
Please be careful and give in small amounts so it doesn't come from her nose or get to lungs.


Saglikli sebzeler:
Roka, Biber, lahana, brokoli, brüksel lahanası, lahana (kırmızı ya da yeşil), Çin lahanası, karnabahar, mantar, semizotu, tere
Ve ozellikle marul. Marulu severler. Sarma seklinde olanlardan degil.
Healthy vegetables above.

Verilmemesi gerekenler:
Patates, Sarmisak, Sogan
Vegetables that shouldn't be fed: Potato, garlic, onion







caneraydeniz,

Can you get a rodent (rat) block in Turkey?

Any of these vegetables will be good.

Recommended vegetables:
Arugula, Bell Pepper, bok choy, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage (red or green), chayote, Chinese cabbage, cauliflower, mushrooms, purslane, watercress
Lettuces:Boston, bib, chicory, endive, escarole,radicchio,romaine

Vegetables (Limited amounts):
Artichokes, avocada, asparagus,carrots, celery, cilantro, collard greens, cucumber, dandelion greens, fennel, fresh corn, green beans, okra, parsley, squash, sugar snap peas, sweet potato, tomato

[island rehabber]

Vas i think they are in Anatolia...

[merman]

IR,

I just hope it is not too late for the little one! ;(
I PMd him my telephone number.
I hope i will hear from him, tonight or in the morning!
It is 11:40 pm here now. My phone is always on anyway.

I will give you update if i hear from him.
And i will check the board in the morning too.
You can email me for any emergency, i have my mails on my phone.

xxxxxxxxxx
-Vas





Vas i think they are in Anatolia...

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

:thumbsup global:thumbsup

[merman]

OK,

I just spoke to Caner (Jahner)
Here is my input to you guys:

Little one is around 9 months old. He bought him from someone else ;(
And this someone else told him to feed the little one nuts and seeds only! ;(
Caner thinks he is a boy!

They are not in Istanbul.
He is giving calcium with syringe. He said he is doing this for last 3 days! I believe this is long enough to see a development isn't it!?
I asked him to give small amounts of nut pieces, whatever he likes to eat (i know you will disagree but as he is getting his calcium, this will help him not to starve to death!). Please let me know if this is a bed idea.
He is also giving apple and orange juice with syringe, they are using fruit itself to get the juice.
Little one doesn't wee at all.
I told him, this might be due to dehydration. But might be sth else as well. I asked him to simulate him with a piece of toilet paper & warm water.

He is saying the little one is not injured, he is moving his legs, but dragging them while walking.
He said he noticed something is going wrong for 2 weeks now, and getting worse last 3 days.

Something else he might be doing wrong, and i don't know, i just wanted to ask you, he started to give him antibiotics syrup for kids, called Largopen he said it says 200mg on the box. And he is giving 0.1mg using syringe.

OK, this is my input, now, what you all think!?
I will talk to him in the morning too.

Br/

Vas

[SammysMom]

Largopen information:
Product Origin: EU (Turkey)This product is able to be sourced and supplied at excellent prices because of favourable cross border currency conversions. All products are authentic brand names and will include a product information insert in English.Medical Information:Amoxicillin is used for: Treating infections caused by certain bacteria. It may be used with other medicines to treat ulcers of the small intestines. Amoxicillin is an antibiotic in the penicillin group of drugs. It fights bacteria in your body.Amoxicillin is used to treat many different types of infections caused by bacteria such as ear infections bladder infections pneumonia gonorrhea and E. coli or salmonella infection. Amoxicillin is also sometimes used together with another antibiotic called clarithromycin (Biaxin) to treat stomach ulcers caused by Helicobacter pylori infection. This combination is sometimes used with a stomach acid reducer called lansoprazole (Prevacid).Amoxicillin an antibiotic is used to treat a wide variety of infections including: gonorrhea middle ear infections skin infections upper and lower respiratory tract infections and infections of the genital and urinary tract. In combination with other drugs such as Prilosec Prevacid and/or Biaxin it is also used to treat duodenal ulcers caused by H. pylori bacteria (ulcers in the wall of the small intestine near the exit from the stomach).

[island rehabber]

Vas, you're correct in saying they should have seen an improvement after giving calcium by syringe for 3 days -- IF they were giving enough calcium. Even the worst MBD cases show some initial improvement after calcium is administered.....:thinking
I am wondering if the squirrel injured himself, either because of the onset of MBD or just playing around in the cage, etc. The fact that there is no pee could suggest nerve damage and consequently kidney failure, right folks? I assume that he is pooping, or don't we know that for sure either? If he is not eliminating on his own at ALL, then there is spinal damage for sure..... :(

Vas can you ask him if he does see poop?
Re: the antibiotics, I don't see where this is an infection. I wouldn't give it.

[rocky63]

IR I think you are correct. there should be some sign of improvement by now for MBD. Two things I think are important right now. 1 is hydration and 2 is nourishment. If this little one is dehydrated he is not going to eat. .:Drink
Also as said before he needs to be stimulated to pee to make sure the blader is not full.

[rocky63]

I was just reading this tread again and wondering :thinking
do you know if is little one has chewed on a power cord? :dono

[island rehabber]

I was just reading this tread again and wondering :thinking
do you know if is little one has chewed on a power cord? :dono

:goodpost Never occured to me...but it certainly could be the effects of electrocution that didn't kill. Vas?

[JLM27]

Only on TSB. Mehrhaba, Vas. Great to see you are still out there.

[merman]

Thanks Jill & everyone,

Now i feel deeper that i miss you all so much, will be back with Mia as soon as we fix this little one.

I prepared a list of questions and hopefully i will get answers before you all wake up for the new day.

xxxxxxx

Vas




Only on TSB. Mehrhaba, Vas. Great to see you are still out there.

[merman]

My QUESTIONS:
Caner yeniden selam.
Jahner hi again,

Seni aramak isterdim ama gec yattigini dusunuyorum, buradan yazacagim.

Minikte herhangi bir gelisme var mi ?
Kalsiyum gunde kac defa ve kacar miligram veriyorsun ?
Is there any development?
How many mg of calcium you are giving and how many times?

Kucuk parcalar halinde verdigin yemisleri yiyor mu ?
Is he eating the nut pieces you are giving?

Kaka yapiyor mu ? Kakasi nasil ? Sert ? Islak ?
Kakasinin rengi nasil ?
Does he poo? Hard? Soft ?
What colour is the poo?

Cis yapmaya basladi mi ?
Sen ilik su ve tuvalet kagidiyla yardimci oldugunda cis yapti mi ?
Did he wee?
Did you simulate him?

Lutfen abnibiyotik vermeyi surdurme, herhangi bir enfeksiyon oldugunu sanmiyoruz.
Please stop giving antibiotics!

Ufaklik hasta olmadan once herhangi bir elektrik kablosu cignemis mi ?
Did you notice if he chewed any power cords at home before he got sick ?

Hizli cevap verirsen sevinirim.

Selamlar,

Vas

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ANSWERS from Jahner:

Abi günde 100 mg 6 defa veriyorum
I am giving 6 times a day, 100mg each time

evet fındık ceviz kestaneye bayılıyor onun dışında bir şey yemiyor dün akşam çok yedi hatta sonra kendine geldi biraz
Yess, he LOVES chestnut and walnut and hazelnut pieces. And doesn't eat anything else. He was moving better after he ate nut pieces last night.

Akşam biraz hareketlendi bu fındık fıstık ceviz kestaneden sonra
(he was moving better last night after giving him nut pieces)

kaka yapıyor açık kahve rengi ve ıslak olarak yapıyor abi
he poo, light brown and they are soft/wet. (Vas: i believe this is due to antibiotics)

çiş daha yapmadı hala akşam söylediğini yapmama rağmen
He didn't wee yet! Even after i simulate him!

Özellikle ona dikkat ediyordum abi sanmıyorum kemirdiğini ama bir daha kontrol edicem...
I didn't notice any cords chewed. I will check again.

[island rehabber]

:thankyou:thankyou Vas and Jahner. Now we need to figure out WHAT is going on with this baby. Poop but no pee....hmmmm...:thinking I am at least relieved that he is doing a tiny bit better.

Does anyone know if a UTI would stop a squirrel from peeing? Typically they cause LOTS of peeing, dribbles everywhere....

[astra]

:thankyou:thankyou Vas and Jahner. Now we need to figure out WHAT is going on with this baby. Poop but no pee....hmmmm...:thinking I am at least relieved that he is doing a tiny bit better.

Does anyone know if a UTI would stop a squirrel from peeing? Typically they cause LOTS of peeing, dribbles everywhere....

I don't know how it is in squirrels, but in humans UTI can cause swelling of the tract (or whatever the technical medical term is for that - don't remember) which would make peeing painful and difficult (i.e., the tract becomes too narrow to pass urine easily, so it either does not get passed, or it becomes extremely painful and the instinct is to avoid it because of pain).
Depending on how bad the UTI is there might be blockage, too.

But often, when the urine accumulates, there are other symptoms: bloat, edema, etc

so, not sure what to think here..

[keetz1205]

:thankyou:thankyou Vas and Jahner. Now we need to figure out WHAT is going on with this baby. Poop but no pee....hmmmm...:thinking I am at least relieved that he is doing a tiny bit better.

Does anyone know if a UTI would stop a squirrel from peeing? Typically they cause LOTS of peeing, dribbles everywhere....


Don't know if this is the the case but stones and crystals will stop urination.

[merman]

So he should have a big tummy then!?

Maybe caneraydeniz doesn't see but he does wee ?

Caner, ufakligin karninda sislik var mi ?
Cis yapmadigina gore bir sislik durumu olmali ?
(Jahner, do you see any swelling on the tummy ? I mean is the tummy getting bigger ?)

Kutunun icerisindeki materyallere dikkatlice baksana, belki cis yapiyordur ve sen fark etmiyorsundur ?
(please check the bedding inside the box carefully, maybe you don't notice but he actually does wee)

Thanks,
Vas







I don't know how it is in squirrels, but in humans UTI can cause swelling of the tract (or whatever the technical medical term is for that - don't remember) which would make peeing painful and difficult (i.e., the tract becomes too narrow to pass urine easily, so it either does not get passed, or it becomes extremely painful and the instinct is to avoid it because of pain).
Depending on how bad the UTI is there might be blockage, too.

But often, when the urine accumulates, there are other symptoms: bloat, edema, etc

so, not sure what to think here..

[astra]

So he should have a big tummy then!?

Maybe caneraydeniz doesn't see but he does wee ?

Caner, ufakligin karninda sislik var mi ?
Cis yapmadigina gore bir sislik durumu olmali ?
(Jahner, do you see any swelling on the tummy ? I mean is the tummy getting bigger ?)

Kutunun icerisindeki materyallere dikkatlice baksana, belki cis yapiyordur ve sen fark etmiyorsundur ?
(please check the bedding inside the box carefully, maybe you don't notice but he actually do wee)

Thanks,
VasCan you post a picture? Also one way to check if he pees is to use white sheets or paper towel for bedding - if he pees there should be some yellow stains on it. You have to pay close attention because the stains can be pale yellow if he is hydrated well.
Also squirrels pee often throughout the day so if he checks his bedding often he should be able to catch a wet spot before it dries out.

[merman]

Caner resim cekip buraya mesajina ekleyebilirmisin ?
Bir de altina beyaz carsaf veya tuvalet kagitlari koyarsan cis yapip yapamadigini daha kolay fark edebilirsin.
Eger resim eklemeyi bilmiyorsan sana mailimi gondereyim, bana atarsan ben yukleyebilirim.

(Jahner could you post his recent pics here?
and if you put white sheet or toilet papers as bedding, you can see better if he wee or not
If you cannot upload pics i will give you my email, you can send them to me and i will upload them for you)




Can you post a picture? Also one way to check if he pees is to use white sheets or paper towel for bedding - if he pees there should be some yellow stains on it. You have to pay close attention because the stains can be pale yellow if he is hydrated well.
Also squirrels pee often throughout the day so if he checks his bedding often he should be able to catch a wet spot before it dries out.

[caneraydeniz]

Can you post a picture? Also one way to check if he pees is to use white sheets or paper towel for bedding - if he pees there should be some yellow stains on it. You have to pay close attention because the stains can be pale yellow if he is hydrated well.
Also squirrels pee often throughout the day so if he checks his bedding often he should be able to catch a wet spot before it dries out.

But it still did not urinate though 15 min dehydration
it ****ted the **** is normal it can easyly handle **** problem.
What else can I do
i massaged to its belly, but its belly is not so much lump
i have checked its cage. it hasnt urinated yet.

15 dk dehidrasyon yaptım ama hala çiş yapmadı
kaka yapmasında sıkıntı yok
çok üzülüyorum bundan dolayı bir sıkıntı var sanırım
ne yapabilirim başka karnı biraz şiş gibi ama o kadar fazla belirgin şişkinlik yok kafesini kontrol ettim ama çiş yapmamış

[merman]

Translation:

I simulated him for 15 minutes but still he didn't wee
he poops without any problem but no wee ;(
tummy looks a bit bigger than before but not much.
i checked the box and i didn't see any sign of wee




15 dk dehidrasyon yaptım ama hala çiş yapmadı
kaka yapmasında sıkıntı yok
çok üzülüyorum bundan dolayı bir sıkıntı var sanırım
ne yapabilirim başka karnı biraz şiş gibi ama o kadar fazla belirgin şişkinlik yok kafesini kontrol ettim ama çiş yapmamış

[astra]

Translation:

I simulated him for 15 minutes but still he didn't wee
he poops without any problem but no wee ;(
tummy looks a bit bigger than before but not much.
i checked the box and i didn't see any sign of wee
really strange...

keep checking his bedding often, like every hour or so.

a pic would be good, before feeding, too (so that we won't confuse a full tummy with water retention bloat)

[caneraydeniz]

this is the new video

http://youtu.be/Nus7Sdgv-FM

[merman]

THANKS Jahner,

Here i post the images i received from J.

Tummy looks a bit swollen or ?

What do you think about video ? He looks more active than i was expecting to see!



this is the new video

http://youtu.be/Nus7Sdgv-FM

[merman]

Hello agaiiinnn..

I asked J to continue simulating him and continue giving him calcium.
And give him food that he will eat, so he doesn't starve.

As J saying, the little one is stretching his legs from time to time. Also he tried a pin touch to make sure he feels the legs, and he responded by moving his leg away.

So, u think this is spinal injury or MBD ?
:thinking

:wave123

[merman]

And..
Little one's name is 'Caramel' :Love_Icon

:wave123

[psychobird]

this is a mystery to me, only thing i can think of to help him out would be to give him some heat, heating pad under half the cage

[island rehabber]

kidney failure? :dono But I would think that would make him look/appear much worse than he really does.....
I am going to email my vet.

[astra]

I am going to email my vet.

:thumbsup
he looks more or less ok to me, but again, I didn't realize that he is older (I thought he was younger where things like bloat would be easier to see).

[Margie]

Since this is an older squirrel, stimulating like you would an infant will not induce urination. You would need to manually express the bladder by squeezing it. Nerve damage can cause lack of urination, since you must intentionally relax the bladder sphincter to urinate. The bowels usually do the opposite and loss of bowel control occurs. A UTI infection or cystitis will not cause anuria but urethritis (inflammation of the urethra) can make passing urine difficult due to swelling. Stones or sediment even mucus plugs can block the urethra. There is really no way of telling long distance. Kidney failure doesn't cause stoppage of urination (anuria) but would cause the kidneys to stop filtering the waste products out of the blood causing a build up of the toxins in the system. Then you woud have a large amount of urination of clear urine as the body is trying to rid itself of the waste products but the kidneys aren't able to. Dehydration will cause a slowing of urination because the body is trying to ration the fluids needed for metabolism but not stop it. Does the squirrel have feeling and movement in his tail? I see where he is responding to pain in his back legs.

[merman]

Caner selamlar,

igne denemistin ya, ayaklarda tam olarak nereye denemistin!?
kuyrugunu hareket ettiriyor mu ?

karni sismeye devam ediyor mu gozlemledigin kadariyla ?
verdiklerini yiyor mu ?

Vas




Since this is an older squirrel, stimulating like you would an infant will not induce urination. You would need to manually express the bladder by squeezing it. Nerve damage can cause lack of urination, since you must intentionally relax the bladder sphincter to urinate. The bowels usually do the opposite and loss of bowel control occurs. A UTI infection or cystitis will not cause anuria but urethritis (inflammation of the urethra) can make passing urine difficult due to swelling. Stones or sediment even mucus plugs can block the urethra. There is really no way of telling long distance. Kidney failure doesn't cause stoppage of urination (anuria) but would cause the kidneys to stop filtering the waste products out of the blood causing a build up of the toxins in the system. Then you woud have a large amount of urination of clear urine as the body is trying to rid itself of the waste products but the kidneys aren't able to. Dehydration will cause a slowing of urination because the body is trying to ration the fluids needed for metabolism but not stop it. Does the squirrel have feeling and movement in his tail? I see where he is responding to pain in his back legs.

[island rehabber]

Margie, thank you and I am cut & pasting your post into my rehab book. :bowdown
Expressing the bladder on a squirrel is not easy; I hope we can explain to our friend in Turkey how to do it.

[caneraydeniz]

Caner selamlar,

igne denemistin ya, ayaklarda tam olarak nereye denemistin!?
kuyrugunu hareket ettiriyor mu ?

karni sismeye devam ediyor mu gozlemledigin kadariyla ?
verdiklerini yiyor mu ?

Vas

Evet kuyruğunda hareket var abi
iğneyi tam olarak patilerine dokundurdum ve tepkiyi o zaman verdi
karnı evet hafif hafif devam ediyor şişmeye
verdiklerimde bir sıkıntı yok yemeye devam ediyor iştahı gayet iyi
Su içiyor gayet güzel bir şekilde

[merman]

J's answer:

Yes, there is movement on the tail, he can move it
I touched on the paws (with pin) and there is feeling.
Yes, there tummy is getting bigger as i see ;(
He is eating the nut pieces and fruits/veggies, his appetite is good!
He is also drinking good amount of water as well..
(giving calcium as well, 200mg 3 times a day)

=========================
V asks to TSB:
So, what should we ask him to do !?
How will we explain him to empty the bladder ?
Someone writes, i translate, i have got no idea what to do..

=========================



Evet kuyruğunda hareket var abi
iğneyi tam olarak patilerine dokundurdum ve tepkiyi o zaman verdi
karnı evet hafif hafif devam ediyor şişmeye
verdiklerimde bir sıkıntı yok yemeye devam ediyor iştahı gayet iyi
Su içiyor gayet güzel bir şekilde

[island rehabber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cf0CwuDvlM

This video is pretty helpful -- I have also seen it done where you run thumb and forefinger down either side of the belly. :thumbsup

[caneraydeniz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cf0CwuDvlM

This video is pretty helpful -- I have also seen it done where you run thumb and forefinger down either side of the belly. :thumbsup


thanks
This procedure did
A white fluid flowed into the
What do you think of this
cant from the mediation of long-term wonder?

[island rehabber]

white fluid = pus?
I am wondering if we are dealing with an infection here....

Was the urine white all the time, or did it become clear later?

From google translator:

beyaz sıvı = irin?
Burada bir enfeksiyon ile ilgileniyor merak ediyorum ....

Her zaman idrar beyaz mıydı, ya da ileride daha iyi anlaşılacak mı?

[caneraydeniz]

white fluid = pus?
I am wondering if we are dealing with an infection here....

Was the urine white all the time, or did it become clear later?

From google translator:

beyaz sıvı = irin?
Burada bir enfeksiyon ile ilgileniyor merak ediyorum ....

Her zaman idrar beyaz mıydı, ya da ileride daha iyi anlaşılacak mı?

white pus-like consistency
After the water was as more
then came the yellow-colored urine.

Again, I do not know the income, but

Video shoot the next one will run ...

[merman]

OK,
J sent me a video of the "wee operation" tinfoil

He said, in the very first drops, it was like a puss, but later it was normal wee. Please watch the video.
==> http://youtu.be/Q75bbVOGAjE

[merman]

Do you think we need antibiotics or no need ?
Any suggestion(s) for the situation ?

xxxxxxxxxxx




OK,
J sent me a video of the "wee operation" tinfoil

He said, in the very first drops, it was like a puss, but later it was normal wee. Please watch the video.
==> http://youtu.be/Q75bbVOGAjE

[island rehabber]

Vas, I'm unsure as to whether AB's are warranted here. When I don't know, I ask the experts which is what I'm doing now. I've emailed my vet and waiting for a response...if someone else has a take on this one, PLEASE chime in. Weakened back legs but has feeling....poop but no pee.....appetite good! I am baffled..,.:thinking :dono

[SammysMom]

Did movement improve after expressing the urine?:thinking

[psychobird]

if pee was pus at first i recommend abs

[rocky63]

if pee was pus at first i recommend abs

I'm thinking the same. possible infection. :thinking

[caneraydeniz]

I'm thinking the same. possible infection. :thinking

What should I do?

[rocky63]

lets wait and see If IR vet has any suggestions

[island rehabber]

Have not heard from the vet yet, and I have a meeting to attend. caneraydeniz, I think you should start the antibiotics you have -- just in case. If there is infection, let's start fighting it. I wil be back online as soon as possible tonight; there are others here who may have very good ideas for us, too!

[redwuff]

What was the smell of what came like?

[merman]

OK, he started to administer Largopen syrup (AB for kids), 0.1cc twice a day.
Hope this is OK.
But still the little one needs help for wee.
Hope after AB intake Caramel will be better!

If you have any other suggestion(s) you are welcome....

Vas

[SammysMom]

I am not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that the more water the better. It flushes through the system and helps get id of the infection. Especially with an AB, it is a good idea.

[redwuff]

cranberries also help the urinary trac

[merman]

Hello all
Unfortunately there is no development
As J is saying, he is so fast moving with fore legs but still dragging the hind legs and still cannot wee alone ;(

What should we try or do next? It must really be annoying and painful for the little one and also pain for J too.

Do u think the AB hez using is ok or he shoild us capsules ?

Wish u alla good Friday evening xxxxx

Vas

[Margie]

It will take a few days for the AB to take effect. Sounds like there was quite a bad infection going on. Largopen is amoxicillin and it is used for bladder infections. When the swelling goes down in the urethra, hopefully he'll be able to urinate on his own. With feeling and movement in the tail and hind legs it doesn't sound like a spinal injury, but pain in the bladder area is so near the back legs, it might hurt too bad to walk. Plus, he probably had a build up of urea in the blood from not urinating for so long and that has made him feel sick and weak. Warm wet compresses to the penis and bladder area will help with relaxing the urethral spasms and will help with expressing the bladder. Compresses first, then bladder expression. Even soaking him in very warm water will help, if he doesn't freak out too badly.

[Orphan Mom]

I wonder if there is some kind of tumor or some other kind of internal growth that could be putting pressure on the spine and on the bladder. If something is keeping the bladder from emptying, it would eventually cause an infection in the bladder.

[merman]

Hellooo everyone

Update, medicines n calcium intake continues
But there is no improvement in Caramel ;(
Jahner gives him antibiotics (largopen) and calcium
And wee problem still continues too. He cannot wee without J's help
And this started to give pain to Caramel as J is saying
He can feel and move the legs when needed, but doesn't use them for walking and climbing
Itz like he has got some problem in the lower body which stops him wee and walk but no problem with poo

Still..........
What next? Any ideas ?
Just ideas to try ?
I think itz time for an x-ray what u all think!??

xxxxxxx
Vas

[island rehabber]

Still..........
What next? Any ideas ?
Just ideas to try ?
I think itz time for an x-ray what u all think!??

xxxxxxx
Vas

x-ray, if possible....definitely. We have to rule out a tumor or growth that is causing this situation. I'm totally stumped, Vas. My vet has been away but I will ask him again if he can figure this one out. Poor Caramel!

[Anne]

Yes-time for a vet visit and some x-rays! Poor little squirrel and poor J too.:grouphug This has been going on for sometime now and needs looking into by a professional.
Hadn't heard for awhile and was therefore hoping that things were better. Wishes for a better future for all.
:thankyou Vas, for helping and with all that you have done. You are a wonderful and caring person :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[merman]

Thanks IR & Anne :Love_Icon

Thanks every1 trying to help this little one
As J said and i also checked on google, there are no vets with x-ray in the bloody city&area! Eeekkkkk!
And all the vets are specialized in cows and sheep!
Thatz the main income of the area!

And damn, caramel is getting not better, but worse instead ;(
He is feeding him fruit & veg juices, lately not interested in even nuts!

Dunno what else we can do!
:dono

[island rehabber]

Vas -- just got a reply from my vet --

They may need to add vit d3 and full spectrum lighting. Bladder atony is usually associated with neurological hind leg paresis...so I would suspect a back or disc injury. They could try high dose steroid trial (but it's not acute) or NSAIDs! Maybe MBD bone changes that are affecting nerves? Its so hard without bloodwork and an X-ray! Is there muscle atrophy? They could try a little cart, massage, swimming him!

[merman]

Ok, we found the reason!

J took her to another city for an x-ray n vet check. and they found out a broken bone!
Poor little one! Two weeks with this pain! ;(

Caramel is now back home again, and he will have an operation on Thursday! I guess they will pin the bone together, not sure tho!
J and i will share the cost!
Hope this wiiittteeeelll wun will feel great soon, no more pain! :Love_Icon

This was a quick update for u all..

I have got no idea how the bone is broken, but they should be much more careful after now.

:wave123

[merman]

Ok,
This just came to my mind; do u think Caramel cannot walk n wee because of this broken bone, or the bone is broken because of trying to mmake him wee coz the bones are weak due to mbd ??

Anyway, good night u all, itz nearly 1:30am here!

:wave123