Wild lady needs help.

[kissle13]

I saw this squirrel a week or so ago and could easily tell that she had some trouble eating. She was mostly licking out of the side of her mouth and not seeming to use her front teeth. I initally thought maybe her front teeth were too long and causing an issue.
Today as my boyfriend and I were about to leave the house, he noticed her just laying in the driveway, nose down and not moving. She is obviously very sick. I was able to scoop her with little fight, no verbal stress at all. I cleaned her up as well as i could, her nose was scabbed over and eye scabbed shut. She has an obvious infection(and hole where puss was oozing) on the right side of her face that i uncovered while cleaning, her lower jaw seems "chunky" ... infection? injury? she does not move her jaw, but moves her tounge in a licking motion. I didnt weight her yet but she is surprisingly at a very health weight, my boyfriend and i were both surprised at how heavy she is.
Ive attached pictures for ya'll to see, I tried my best with the photos but she was a little difficult to pose.
Any ideas on how to treat? what her issue may be? From what we could see her teeth do not seem like they themselves have punctured her mouth, tho they are awkward.
Thanks !

[astra]

oh boy,
I am not an expert, but I will send a few PMs to some who might help.
in the meantime, do you have pets or your friends/family who have pets might have antibiotics. I know that most people choose baytril?
COuld you look at what you might have in terms of human antibiotics, too?sometimes it is possible to use those.

Please keep checking here often = someone experienced will be here soon

[astra]

i htink, she has malocclusion, but I will let experts confirm.
If so, she might have to be a NR - non-releasable.
Ok, lets waitfor the experts

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

Keep her in a dark place in a small box with a heating pad, on low, under 1/2 of it.
Use fleece for blankets, not towels
Someone will be on soon to help.
Infant (not childrens) ibuprofen for pain and swelling.
Try to clean the wound on her neck with mild soap and water.
It looks to me like she got into a fight with something bigger than her.
Can you see if her nipples are very noticeable??
she could be pregnant, that could be why she feels heavy.

[astra]

just don't bring her to any wildlife centres yet - if she does have malocclusion, she will be euthanized.

I've sent out a few PMs, so someone should be here soon

[kissle13]

Human antibiotics I have are:

IC Sulfamethoxazole-TMP DS TABITP
*Online pill identifier says: 800-160mg ...? Imprinted: IP 272, White, Oval.

IC Cephalexin (Keflex) 500mg capsule

[island rehabber]

She sure does need help. First, of course you want to keep her dark, warm and quiet. Stress will make everything she has going on even worse. I would not try right now to clean the wound too much -- let her rest and get warm while we try to find someone to take her. She will need antibiotics for sure; there is an abcess or two going on there. Her bloodshot eyes and blood (?) on her lip suggest an impact injury to me -- others may disagree. She may have been hit by a car, or fallen. Give her a warm blanket, sweatshirt or fleece scarf to burrow into -- no towels. Let's see who is near you that we can call!

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

dont give them to her, hold on till we know for sure, some humane drug are lethal to wilds ok? hang in there.

[kissle13]

I cleaned her wounds with an antibiotic soap (watered down) Provon. I did not notice her nipples being pronounced when i was handling her. She is in our "outdoor release" cage with blankets & in the heated garage so she is warm and comfortable. :)

[island rehabber]

RE: the malocclusion -- hard to tell from that pix, but if she has been down due to the abcess/infection she has not been eating properly nor chewing to keep her teeth ground down. She may have a temporary malocclusion for this reason. The cheek abcesses in squirrels can be deadly -- that, IMHO, is what we want to address ASAP.

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

do you have syringes that you can give her some water? or pedialyte?

[kissle13]

Yes i do have fresh syringes left over ill try to give her some water now. I also do have FV formula still (not expired). Let me know if i should try to feed her some of that too.

Thanks

[Jackie in Tampa]

let me do some fast reading..
decide which AB to use..
can someone guess a weight?
over a pound probably...
is she under 1.5 lbs
do we think preg or has babies?
let me do some quickie med stuff brb
both abs can be used..are they both current??????
brb
neck wound is puncture def...
tooth claw or who knows what...

[Jackie in Tampa]

will she drink?
try try try to get water in her please...if she is drinking:thumbsup
if not please try to syringe her water asap...
the meds require hydration
also get some acidiopholis or yogurt at walgreens/drug store.

what supplies do you have on hand?

[Jackie in Tampa]

I say we use both..
any objections??
anyone want to take over?
should I post dilutions and doses for 1 lb
1.5 lbs
anyone want to worry about babies or do we atteempt to save this sq>?
come on peeps...help me to decide what we wanna do.

[Jackie in Tampa]

does she appear dehydrated?
is anyone helping via PM???
or telephone?

[Nancy in New York]

let me do some fast reading..
decide which AB to use..
can someone guess a weight?
over a pound probably...
is she under 1.5 lbs
do we think preg or has babies?
let me do some quickie med stuff brb
both abs can be used..are they both current??????
brb
neck wound is puncture def...
tooth claw or who knows what...

Jackie if you can dose for 1.5 lbs. that would be on the safe side.:thumbsup
Kissle13 where in Mass are you located? I have to run out for about an hour....but let me know where you are. Are you anywhere near the NY border?

[island rehabber]

Jackie I'm thinking about 0.37 of the Keflex, 3x daily -- yes?
You know I don't have a lot of faith in Sulfatrim, but that's just me.

[Milo's Mom]

I say we use both..
any objections??
anyone want to take over?
should I post dilutions and doses for 1 lb
1.5 lbs
anyone want to worry about babies or do we atteempt to save this sq>?
come on peeps...help me to decide what we wanna do.


If we work to save the squirrel versus worry about babies now, she can have babies later. If we loose the squirrel now, we loose potential babies too and also the chance for future babies.

I'd go for dosing at 1.25...right in the middle...

If both meds work together and the chance of mixing them is not going to cause additional issues...hit her with everything on hand...she is in bad bad shape. Just my opinion...cause you asked. :bowdown

[Jackie in Tampa]

IR what dilution are you using?
it's a tablet rihght?

[Jackie in Tampa]

we will do the sulpha trim first...the oval white tablet {bactrim}
gonna do this fast.
take two spoons, put tablet in one spoon, crush FINE with the other..
put all powder in small shallow container, perfer lidded glass baby jar
add 10 cc's water {ml and cc are the same}
mark jar 80 ml/mg and todays date
dose for 1 pound sq will be .15ml
for 1.25 lb sq will be .19ml
for 1.5 lb sq will be.22 ml

lets go...make this and shake well, never draw from the bottom
meds will settle fast so keep stirring

the first dose will be loading and dosed at .25ml
only this first dose
brb
this is twice a day BID

[kissle13]

I tried to give her water via syringe ....wasnt too willing to take it. Her weight is 1.2lbs.

Nancy i am in West Springfield, MA ...about an hour from the NY border.

[Nancy in New York]

I tried to give her water via syringe ....wasnt too willing to take it. Her weight is 1.2lbs.

Nancy i am in West Springfield, MA ...about an hour from the NY border.

OK I am going out in about 15 minutes....if you need anything or want me to take her tomorrow, we can arrange something. I too am about an hour from the border. I have a vet too that will help me/her on Monday....I can always bring her back for release in your yard.:thumbsup

[Jackie in Tampa]

cephlex 500 mg
crush as above with two spoons...
add 5 cc /ml of water

stir well
dose for 1 pound sq is .12ml
ddose for 1.25 lb sq .15 ml
1.5 lb sq will be .19ml

IR is right...3x a day

I would ONLY clean that puncture with a betedine/ provadone flush using a syringe..
dilute the betedine with water to the color of tea...be careful not to get it in eyes...
good luck baby sq and thank you rescuers:grouphug

mark bottle/jar keflex 100mg/ml and the date
ok...going to ck my calculations...can some one else help with my math?
ty

[kissle13]

I did up the Kaflex... im going to try and give it to her now.

Thank you !!!!

[Jackie in Tampa]

I think i have it right...
If anyone has baytril /cipro..
that would be better...and some tramadol or metacam for pain.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I did up the Kaflex... im going to try and give it to her now.

Thank you !!!!please use both ABs..
all ABs are targeted for different type bacterias..
the correct and best AB would be Cipro/baytril..
use both these meds...
the keflex is bad on the belly so dilute yogurt to a syringeable consistancy,
feed her that with a wee bit of dry FV powder mixed in it...
as much as she will take...
give her water after...
keep her cozy warm...do not allow her to be hot though, she has fever.:thankyou :bowdown
hold her upright...she needs to swallow, not choke...not sure how dibilitated she is..
is she resisting at all?
is she showing strength?

[pappy1264]

Just got online and saw this. I will make some phonecalls and see if anyone can help you tonight. I am pretty far from you, in Eastern MA.

[Jackie in Tampa]

both meds were dosed @25mg/kg...{moderate}
& no calculator:shakehead

[pappy1264]

Have you tried calling Tufts?

[kissle13]

I gave her .25 of the AB with a chaser of FV/Goat milk formula. She licked at it a bit but was pushing away. She pretty much is refusing the water....

This lil lady is not well. Im not sure she if she will make it through the night or not.... ill keep at her though.

THANK YOU for the doseage info!!!! Love you all! :grouphug :Love_Icon

[astra]

can you dip the tip of the syringe into something sweet (like molasses, apple juice or something like that)? - sometimes, that helps to start feeding.

Jackie - thank you for the dosing!!!!!
:thankyou :thumbsup :grouphug

[astra]

OK I am going out in about 15 minutes....if you need anything or want me to take her tomorrow, we can arrange something. I too am about an hour from the border. I have a vet too that will help me/her on Monday....I can always bring her back for release in your yard.:thumbsup
If this poor little fuzzer makes it through the night, I would take Nancy's offer :thumbsup :thankyou :grouphug

[kissle13]

I did sweeten up the formula with some mashed up grape (juice mostly) I tried it , it was sweet.
Im going to leave her a dish with some water ...hopefully she will drink on her own?!?
Nancy ill PM you with my phone #. If anyone else would like to talk to me just PM and ill send you my # too.

Thanks

[Jackie in Tampa]

If this poor little fuzzer makes it through the night, I would take Nancy's offer :thumbsup :thankyou :grouphugditto, absolutely.
maybe try covering her eyes while you feed her...
if she is going to make it, she knows she is getting cared for.
she may be scared, but she knows.
move slow, less noise is best etc...
good luck you guys...
remember..and this I know, she will die without hydration.
she must have fluids in some form.
it's very important...life important.
If you can keep her drinking:thumbsup great!
every drop counts...
syringe in the side of the mouth deep back away from nose.
head up, allowing fluids to drain outnot into lungs if she is listless...
hydration solution is the best... pedialyte.
1 quart warm water
3 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon salt
as much as she will take as often as she will.
no more than 24 hours and somewhere in there she needs that yogurt and FV...one for gut flora and the opther for nutrition ...
she must WANT to stay alive...so making her feel good is best.
she needs nutrition/full belly.
can you tell us what she is doing?
lethargic, hiding, breathing hard/heavy,twitching, seizing, on side etc..

[kissle13]

She is lethargic, breathing is good tho, she moves around a bit but does not walk..kinda scoots around. I can just tell she is very uncomfortable. Right now she is burried under a blanket. She is in a warm area tho (near a wood stove) so she is at a good temp.
Ill try to give her some more formula again soon.

[Jackie in Tampa]

if you have a vaporizer, that would be good to run constantly...
will put moisture in the air and warmth too...
ccover the cage she is in if she is frightened.
and yes, push the hydration.

[yoyo]

How is she doing ? I hope that she gets well soon

[rocky63]

Kissle, I to am in eastern Mass. Let me know if I can help in any way.

[pappy1264]

If she will not drink, do you have supplies to do sub-q? Do you have any pain meds for her?

[pappy1264]

Any updates?

[Nancy in New York]

I just spoke with kissle13 and she just gave the little one more FV and antibiotics.
She is as comfortable as can be, while still in rough shape, but in excellent hands.
I passed along the information for dosing ibuprofen, which will make her more comfortable.
We are touching base tomorrow morning, and if this little girl feels up to it,
I will be meeting kissle half way and bringing this little one home with me,
and then up to my vet's first thing Monday morning.
Sending many prayers that she makes it through the night....
I know this little one is in excellent hands....thank you again for picking her up.:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Thank you astra for the heads up!

[astra]

I just spoke with kissle13 and she just gave the little one more FV and antibiotics.
She is as comfortable as can be, while still in rough shape, but in excellent hands.
I passed along the information for dosing ibuprofen, which will make her more comfortable.
We are touching base tomorrow morning, and if this little girl feels up to it,
I will be meeting kissle half way and bringing this little one home with me,
and then up to my vet's first thing Monday morning.
Sending many prayers that she makes it through the night....
I know this little one is in excellent hands....thank you again for picking her up.:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Thank you astra for the heads up!:thankyou :grouphug :Love_Icon
praying she makes it through the night

[rusty's mom]

Following the thread and wondering has anyone heard how this little one is doing?

[pappy1264]

Tons of prayers she makes it through the night.

[astra]

Following the thread and wondering has anyone heard how this little one is doing?
Nancy's post #42 above ;)

[shellyb1018]

Good luck and prayers are going out for you.

[yoyo]

Prayers for the sick lady, and I know that God will bless her and will be on her side.

[island rehabber]

Just got home and had to check on this poor girl.....I'm so glad Nancy is stepping in to help, this girl couldn't be in better hands! :grouphug Prayers that she gets stronger tomorrow with all the good meds & FV and TSB energies.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon

[rocky63]

lots of prayers and thanks to kissle and nancy :grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

praying for that poor wild sweetie, sending good vibes. :grouphug :grouphug

[IrishHarps]

I just wanted to tell you guys that you are all angels! Anyone who would spend so much time and energy to save a sick, frightened wild animal like this is an amazing person. You guys bring tears to my eyes.

This is a bad month for it... but I hope to donate something to the TSB fund soon... now that I am learning how much you all do for wildlife.

But yeah, you guys are this little animal's angels :) I hope you are all proud, and that this little lady makes it.

[stepnstone]

Even with having company this evening I have been excusing myself to check this thread. Sending prayers and light for her to be strong throughout the night and for her recovery...

[stosh2010]

Hope the morning brings improved health to all....

[kissle13]

We just got done feeding her. She took 3cc's of the FV/Goat milk formula ...she was very resistant but we got it in her! She is still very "uncomfortable" looking... but she has not worsened. Her open wound is not oozing and has starting to dry up... good sign? we hope. We hope she makes it throught the night so we can get her to Nancy & her vet in NY. Thank you all so much for your love and support. We could not have done this without you!!! Hugs all around! :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[yoyo]

God bless her so much and keep her in a constant relieve all night

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

Couldn't sleep, kept thinking about her .
How is she this morning.

[island rehabber]

I'm here, too.....so many babies on my mind.
For heavens' sake if I'm up at 5:00am I should have pinkies to feed! :shakehead :)

[Nancy in New York]

Just waiting to hear an update myself...:)
I'm sure kissle13 or myself will let you all know immediately how the little one is doing this morning. Such a sad looking little baby. I'm so glad that kissle13 saw her and picked her up.:grouphug
Glad that she took FV last night....:thumbsup

[redwuff]

Prayers for the little girl and all who are involved in her care. Waiting with baited breath for an update.


Trysh

[Mrs Skul]

:morning Kissle13
How is this Little Lady doing this morning? You are doing such a Wonderful Job! :thumbsup3 Kissle Your an Angel. :bowdown
:alright.gif FoxVally 3 cc:wahoo
Any kind of nourishment will help. Is she taking the Yogurt? Don't forget you can add some dry FV to it or add the Yogurt to the FoxVally Formula. Either way she needs the Yogurt. Is she still taking Both Medication? Praying for The Both of YOU! :grouphug
CM918
PS
Is she Breathing ok? Any new Blood Present in her nose?
Try to keep the Abscess open.
Nancy have you heard anything? :dono

[Nancy in New York]

I just got a call from kissle13 that our little girl passed this morning.
She was loved, and safe, and died with a person who thought enough of her life to get help for her.
Thank you kissle13 for everything that you did to make her final hours comfortable....:grouphug
Rest in Peace
Precious Angel 161301

[kissle13]

Morning all, Im sad to report that she passed away this morning.

Im glad that we were able to give her a warm and safe environment & I can only hope that we brought her some comfort in her last hours.

Thank you all so much for your love and support.:Love_Icon

[pappy1264]

awwww, I was so hoping from your last post that it would be a better outcome today. I am so very sorry, but so appreciate you're doing all you could to help her and that she passed feeling safe, warm and loved. RIP little one. Did you name her? If not, I was thinking of Sunny (Sunshine).

[shellyb1018]

RIP Little lady.
Kissle, Nancy, IR, Skul, and all of you, you are truly remarkable people. :grouphug :Love_Icon

[Mrs Skul]

:sad
RIP
Sweet Little Lady
:Love_Icon Your with the Angels, Safe, Warm, and Loved.:Love_Icon
Thank You Kissle13 for caring so much, I Am So Sorry. :grouphug

[astra]

oh how sad!:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[SammysMom]

She is not afraid or in pain any more. Thanks to you she was warm, fed and loved when she passed. TSB is such an awesome group of people who care so much for every creature. Wilds and rehabs and pets are all treated with the same love and care. You guys are awesome. Kissel you did a wonderful caring thing for this sweet creature. God bless all of you...:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[rocky63]

Kissle, thanks for trying. RIP wild lady

[stepnstone]

Thank you Kissle for all you did and for giving her the warmth and love to take with her as she crossed over. :grouphug
Run free wild lady, a new journey awaits you...

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

161306
RIP wild one. you were safe and warm - now run free

[Jackie in Tampa]

Thank you Kissle
RIP wild lady squirrel:Love_Icon

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[yoyo]

RIP little angel! God has you on his hand, no more pain, no more suffer, just peace and love in heaven.:grouphug

[kissle13]

Pappy.... Sunshine is a GREAT name!!!!
I was singing "you are my sunshine" to her while she was passing.

RIP Sunshine! :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[niapet]

Seeing posts where a squirrel dies always seems to be the hardest thing on me... Not much makes me cry but this always does..

I got a PM about this post (I assume because we are in MA also).. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows if anyone in the area needs us to ever take care of a squirrel in the are or nurse it back to health we most certainly

Rest in Peace little Sunshine...

[pappy1264]

Awww, now when we all go out and feel the sunshine on our face, we can know a special little angel is looking down on us and thanking all for all they do to save these precious little ones......RIP Sunshine.