Mange...

[momad30044]

I've five adult squirrels that will eat from my hand. Precious little critters. One has mange. They're wild, not tamed, but my best guess, after looking online is that he's about 2.5 pounds. He's a big boy. What's your best guess for the correct doseage for Ivermectrin.

Debbie

[astra]

I've five adult squirrels that will eat from my hand. Precious little critters. One has mange. They're wild, not tamed, but my best guess, after looking online is that he's about 2.5 pounds. He's a big boy. What's your best guess for the correct doseage for Ivermectrin.

Debbie

Welcome, Debbie!
if you have ivermectin horse paste,
the dose is the size of an uncooked rice grain.
Repeat once a week for three weeks.
Just make sure the there is a exactly one week between doses, not 4-5 days.
E.g,. if you gave him a dose on Monday, then give all doses on Mondays.

Ivermectin is very powerful and overdosing can be lethal.

This dosage is roughly for a 1lb rat/squirrel. HOWEVER, since this is a very powerful medicine, it should be ok even for a big boy like yours.
I know that some people dose it at 1/2 size of an uncooked rice grain for an average grey squirrel and it seems to work, too.

Is he a fox squirrel?.... must be if he is that big.;-)

If after 3 weeks it has not gone away, take a break of a week or two and then repeat the course. Don't do 5-6 weeks back to back!

Are you sure it's mange?...
Could you post pics?...

[JLM27]

Can you post a picture of the ivermectin you have? It comes in different forms and strengths.

[jbtartell]

Can I ask how you know it is mange? I released some squirrels who looked the same way but in reality it was a winter coat coming in or shedding.I cant remember what I was told it was. I know this because one of them is tamer than the others and she looks fine now.. I am part of a rehab group and the one who has been doing this for 25 years told me about it.. My advise is to let him be. in the wild they have a way of knowing what to do to heal them selfs..You dont want to give him something that might hurt him in the long run.

[Kristal]

Yes, please post pictures to be sure if you are right. Also, some animals have a bad reaction to fleas, something like an allergy, and/so I wonder if advantage plus or revolution is a better idea?

[jbtartell]

True Kristal but it is a wild squirrel. they all have fleas lol and it is a risk to the squirrel and human to try and catch him for one and for two useing cemicals on him might make him sicker or kill him.. my advise is to let him be unless he is in distress.. throw hims some food everyday and kepp your eyes open and watch how he is doing..and distress is sick. to where he is not getting around good and can be caught easily.. loosing fur is a natural thing. I beleive he will be fine.

[momad30044]

I called our DNR person and he confirmed that it was mange. Baby Bear is losing his hair on his back and the bare spots are dry and kind of crunchy looking. Vetrimec is designed for cattle and swine and is a liquid. I think Baby Bear weighs about 3 pounds.

He looks like this:

http://www.pbase.com/momad30044/image/136581804

I did some research and the average grey squirrel weights about 2 pounds, but mine are WAY bigger.

Any help would be really apprciated.

He'll eat from my hand quite nicely so that's not an issue.

Thanks....many thanks, I love this little guy.

Debbie

[astra]

I called our DNR person and he confirmed that it was mange. Baby Bear is losing his hair on his back and the bare spots are dry and kind of crunchy looking. Vetrimec is designed for cattle and swine and is a liquid. I think Baby Bear weighs about 3 pounds.

He looks like this:

http://www.pbase.com/momad30044/image/136581804

I did some research and the average grey squirrel weights about 2 pounds, but mine are WAY bigger.

Any help would be really apprciated.

He'll eat from my hand quite nicely so that's not an issue.

Thanks....many thanks, I love this little guy.

Debbie

the dosing I gave you before was for a horse paste, so it won't work here.

If it is liquid, could you post its strength?
And, maybe, even the image of it?

[SammysMom]

I just (a couple of weeks ago) had one of my regulars who showed up totally naked from the waist up. It was very obviously mange. I was going to dose her, but decided to try letting it sort of run its course. I fed her loads of healthy stuff including HHBs. It wasn't more than a week later that she had on a fuzzy shirt and today you can barely tell it ever happened. No intervention except nutrition! :thumbsup

[momad30044]

The Ivermectin is a 1& solution. The box says for swine, the dose would be 1 mL per 75 lb body weight. As he's wild, there's no way I can pick him up and weigh him. I'm hoping someone can give me a reasonable estimate from the photo I sent.

Here's a photo of the Ivermectin:http://www.pbase.com/momad30044/image/141047034

Thanks in advance for any help. It's been really cold here and I'm sure his back is mighty cold.

Debbie

[momad30044]

The picture isn't showing up, so here's a link to it:

http://www.pbase.com/momad30044/image/141047034

Thanks.

Debbie

[UDoWhat]

This is the exact same 1% solution I use and am currently using on 4 outside wilds I have with mange now. We need to dose in micro drops. I would only use 1 (micro) drop. To accomplish a micro drop , I use a syringe with a 25, 26,27,28, or smaller gauge needle. You can control a tiny micro drop from a small gauge needle easier than from the "nose" of just a 1 cc syringe. If you do not have a small gauge needle to help control the size of the drop then you can use a 1cc syringe and put only about 1/10th of a drop on the ridges of 1/2 of an out of the shell pecan piece. I usually wait 2 weeks in between doses and then do a second dose. My wilds are already beginning to re-grow fur.

*** By one tenth of a drop, I am suggesting a very small portion of the drop from a syringe without a needle.

Marty

[CritterMom]

If you do not have a way to dose down that far, the paste that everyone was describing using a bit the size of a rice grain is VERY inexpensive and easily available at any farm supply, feed store, tack shop, Tractor Supply or online from places like doversaddlery.com, omahavaccine.com, horse.com, etc.

I was ordering something from horse.com the other day and they had paste ivermectin for $1.99!

If you decide to do that, squirt ALL the paste out into another container and stir it well before dispensing, because it seperates in the tube.

[Nancy in New York]

If you do not have a way to dose down that far, the paste that everyone was describing using a bit the size of a rice grain is VERY inexpensive and easily available at any farm supply, feed store, tack shop, Tractor Supply or online from places like doversaddlery.com, omahavaccine.com, horse.com, etc.

I was ordering something from horse.com the other day and they had paste ivermectin for $1.99!

If you decide to do that, squirt ALL the paste out into another container and stir it well before dispensing, because it seperates in the tube.

Here's the site that CritterMom was referring to.
http://www.horse.com/Search.aspx?query=Ivermectin

[Nancy in New York]

This is the exact same 1% solution I use and am currently using on 4 outside wilds I have with mange now. We need to dose in micro drops. I would only use 1 (micro) drop. To accomplish a micro drop , I use a syringe with a 25, 26,27,28, or smaller gauge needle. You can control a tiny micro drop from a small gauge needle easier than from the "nose" of just a 1 cc syringe. If you do not have a small gauge needle to help control the size of the drop then you can use a 1cc syringe and put only about 1/10th of a drop on the ridges of 1/2 of an out of the shell pecan piece. I usually wait 2 weeks in between doses and then do a second dose. My wilds are already beginning to re-grow fur.

*** By one tenth of a drop, I am suggesting a very small portion of the drop from a syringe without a needle.

Marty

I use this too Marty, and your right....very small portion of one drop from the syringe without a needle.
If you don't understand, I will do a short video explaining what we mean....:)

[Kristal]

Here's the site that CritterMom was referring to.
http://www.horse.com/Search.aspx?query=Ivermectin
Wow... hmmm. That is very affordable. Porch squirrel and her son showed up looking quite malnourished and mangy, too. Mom was almost bald from her waist to her neck with inflamed, scabby skin and bald patches around her eyes and ears, poor dear. It broke my heart to see her tearing herself up with the scratching, too. I got them more properly furred up by feeding them boo-balls, fruit and nuts (this is all that I can get them to eat so far) and by squeezing some vitamin e oil onto moms skin where it was worst. She is brave and trusting enough to let me touch her a little, but the son is very shy and won't approach if he sees me. She healed very quickly on the spot where I was able to get the vitamin e onto her, and the rest of her bald spots furred up more gradually - her eye rings being last.

So they are looking better, but still a little raggedy. Of course they must still have the scabies like mites even if the inflammation is more under control due to the fact that they are no longer starving. I would like to treat them for the mites, if possible.

I can squeeze a little onto Mom, but the son won't let me approach. Since they obviously live together both have got to be treated. When it warms up a little bit I can do a patience game with him until he gives in and eats something that I am offering him and does it in view of me. That is the only way I think I could treat the boy. Right now it is too cold for me to spend a few hours on the porch waiting for him to give in :shakehead

Is it possible to treat with this stuff internally? How safe is that and how much would I give? Also, which of those products should I get?

[Nancy in New York]

Wow... hmmm. That is very affordable. Porch squirrel and her son showed up looking quite malnourished and mangy, too. Mom was almost bald from the waist up with inflamed, scabby skin and bald patches around her eyes and ears, poor dear. It broke my heart to see her tearing herself up with the scratching, too. I got them more properly furred up by feeding them boo-balls, fruit and nuts (this is all that I can get them to eat so far) and by squeezing some vitamin e oil onto moms skin where it was worst. She is brave and trusting enough to let me touch her a little, but the son is very shy and won't approach if he sees me. She healed very quickly on the spot where I was able to get the vitamin e onto her, and the rest of her bald spots furred up more gradually - her eye rings being last.

So they are looking better, but still a little raggedy. Of course they must still have the scabies like mites even if the inflammation is more under control due to the fact that they are no longer starving. I would like to treat them for the mites, if possible.

I can squeeze a little onto Mom, but the son won't let me approach. Since they obviously live together both have got to be treated. When it warms up a little bit I can do a patience game with him until he gives in and eats something that I am offering him and does it in view of me. That is the only way I think I could treat the boy. Right now it is too cold for me to spend a few hours on the porch waiting for him to give in :shakehead

Is it possible to treat with this stuff internally? How safe is that and how much would I give? Also, which of those products should I get?

With both of the ivermectin mentioned above that is the way to treat the wilds, internally.
You put it on a shelled pecan half and make sure that you feed the right squirrel....
meaning if there are a bunch of squirrels around, don't throw the treated nut out.
You have to wait and then give the treated pecan to the right squirrel.:D
You can redose in two weeks depending on their condition.

[Kristal]

Is there going to be any difference between those products with regards to concentration?

[UDoWhat]

If you do not have a way to dose down that far, the paste that everyone was describing using a bit the size of a rice grain is VERY inexpensive and easily available at any farm supply, feed store, tack shop, Tractor Supply or online from places like doversaddlery.com, omahavaccine.com, horse.com, etc.

I was ordering something from horse.com the other day and they had paste ivermectin for $1.99!

If you decide to do that, squirt ALL the paste out into another container and stir it well before dispensing, because it seperates in the tube.

Kristal, if you use the paste (1.8% )prepare it and dose it as Crittermom has explained above.
* squirt ALL the paste out into another container and stir it well before dispensing, because it separates in the tube.[/QUOTE].
* dose it as a bit the size of an uncooked rice grain on something that your squirrel eat.

If you use the 1% solution use it as I have explained here.

This is the exact same 1% solution I use and am currently using on 4 outside wilds I have with mange now. We need to dose in micro drops. I would only use 1 (micro) drop. To accomplish a micro drop , I use a syringe with a 25, 26,27,28, or smaller gauge needle. You can control a tiny micro drop from a small gauge needle easier than from the "nose" of just a 1 cc syringe. If you do not have a small gauge needle to help control the size of the drop then you can use a 1cc syringe and put only about 1/10th of a drop on the ridges of 1/2 of an out of the shell pecan piece. I usually wait 2 weeks in between doses and then do a second dose. My wilds are already beginning to re-grow fur.

*** By one tenth of a drop, I am suggesting a very small portion of the drop from a syringe without a needle.

Marty

[momad30044]

I use this too Marty, and your right....very small portion of one drop from the syringe without a needle.
If you don't understand, I will do a short video explaining what we mean....

I would truly appreciate the video. Thanks.

Gosh, had I known I could get it for $1.99, I would have spent $46! The important thing is that it works....

Debbie

[momad30044]

My neighbor, who's a pharmacist, said I could use one mL of the liquid mixed in 30 mLs of water and then dose with 1 mL. Is that correct?

Debbie

[momad30044]

My last post didn't show up, so I'm asking again....

I talked with my neighbor last night who's a pharmacist. He said that the dose for my squirrel at 2.5 pounds would be 1 mL of the Ivermectin in 30 mLs of water and then give 1 mL.

Is that correct?

Debbie

[astra]

Sorry, don't know the answer - this is a very specific information and only a professional or a rehabber who used this dilution could confirm this.

I, personally, am familiar with what Marty shared only.



Once someone shared with me how to dilute horse paste and what you wrote sounds very similar to that, but... don't remember details, because I ended up using the "uncooked rice grain" dose instead.

Hopefully, someone else will know.:grouphug

[skunkangel]

How are you planning to dose this little man anyway? Ivermectin tastes terrible and the wild squirrels are difficult about taking anything soft enough to put it in. Raccoons are easy... We just use Twinkie's, but never have seen a squirrel eat a Twinkie. We have a mangy squirrel that we're trying to dose without catching near a vet's office here in St. Louis but we're using the diluted Ivermectin that we use on bunnies and squirrels.

Oh - btw - I'm back. :)

[Kristal]

Well, for myself I intend to put it into a boo bar. That's a mix of FV formula, ground block and ground almonds with just enough melted virgin coconut oil to dissolve the formula so that it cools to about the hardness of a chocolate bar (ie not very much oil).

The two wilds love them as much as my four house squirrels do :thumbsup

[bigandlittle]

So I think my half wild and her wild friend are losing their hair again, I would like to give them both the ivermectrin, but.... I know that about 3 weeks ago the local boys were going wild! I think she's probably pregnant. Is it safe to dose while preggo? Any info is greatly appreciated.

[astra]

So I think my half wild and her wild friend are losing their hair again, I would like to give them both the ivermectrin, but.... I know that about 3 weeks ago the local boys were going wild! I think she's probably pregnant. Is it safe to dose while preggo? Any info is greatly appreciated.
as far as I know, it is not safe.

BUt,

are you sure it's mange?...
It could be the beginning of spring molt.
It could also be due to hormonal changes if they are pregnant.

Can you post pics?

[bigandlittle]

Thanks Astra! I'll just cross my fingers and hope its molt. I'll try to get pics tomorrow.

[Kristal]

I was thinking about this, too, since Porchy is probably pregnant atm. How about when they are nursing, I wonder...

Edit: it says here that it is only dangerous to fetal rodents at or near levels in which it is also dangerous to the mother. http://www.drugs.com/mmx/ivermectin.html So, for that reason, they conclude that it is not specifically harmful for developing fetuses :dono

They followed 203 human mothers who took it during pregnancy and found no increased rate of complications or birth defects during or after pregnancy, too.

But it also says they information is archived and may be outdated. Does anyone have more recent info that contradicts the above?

[bigandlittle]

What worries me is there is a bald spot around her eye. Here is a photo of her back.

[bigandlittle]

Here is the photo!

[Kristal]

What worries me is there is a bald spot around her eye. Here is a photo of her back.

As far as I know, the balding/crusty eyes and ears are a giveaway. I guess that the mites find the tender skin on these spots especially tasty :eek: I think that when you see that pattern it means that it is very likely to be mange.

Anyone who knows better than I do, please feel free to correct me :)

[bigandlittle]

Does anyone know if Revolution is OK if she's possibly pregnant?

[Kristal]

There are at least three studies here on the first page of google results on the safety of ivermectin during pregnancy. One was on humans, one on horses and one on rats. I think I saw one on mice the last time I looked, too. They all found that ivermectin did not damage the fetuses and that there was no increased rate of miscarriage in the treated individuals when compared to those who were not treated.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ivermectin+safety+pregnancy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

It looks like ivermectin is safe during pregnancy.