Help! Is this a lot of blood to lose?

[msriri]

I dont want to jump the gun...maybe this happens with these calluses, but this first photo is what I came home to tonight in Stellas cage. It seems like soooo much blood!

I jumped right in to her bed and she popped out...whew! I glanced at her quickly and didnt see anything in my panic and also searched around the cage to see where this could of come from.

Anyway, I looked again and noticed her biggest callus was very deep red and it was obvious thats where the blood came from. It wasnt bleeding and she seemed alright...just alright. She usually pounces around when I get home for just a little bit because she hasnt seen me since early afternoon. She didnt do that, just ate half a cracker and curled up to sleep. She seems fine, but all that blood out of that little body!?

I have betadine to keep it clean, but I suspect that she chewed it open...shes been picking at them. Maybe she poked it on something? I checked the cage when we put it up..all around the edges too. I have tried to wrap them, but she wont have it...it doesnt last more than an hour.

I was under the assumption that the calluses would serve as padding like the pads of her feet.....kind of natures way of allowing her body to adjust to walking differently. I also had no idea they bled this much!

Should I be worried? Is this normal for her situation? Is she in pain? (I have infant motrin....she isn't quite a pound. .02 cc?

[Chickenlegs]

Watch that she does NOT chew. Poor little girl. I dunno. It'd be great if you could bandage her foot but guess not--at least not without an e-coller. Vet trip in order? Could she have bumped it on what looks like a stump in her cage?

[astra]

I am so sorry!

That does look like a lot of blood, but her callus does not look like it would bleed so much... but then, we might be wrong with our assumptions.

Yes, you can put whatever you have on the wound to prevent infection.

As for Motrin, it should be INfant 50mg/1.25ml.
If she is under a pound, say, 400g - the dose is .1cc
if she is 500g - the dose is .12 cc

I am sure, tomorrow morning experienced rehabbers will be here with suggestions.

In the meantime, could you observe her: whether she chews it, how she moves, her overall activity level etc.

If she continues to chew, you might have to put an e-collar on her until this wound heals.

But again, these are just some thoughts that first come to mind.

Hopefully, experienced rehabbers will be here in the morning with more specific suggestions.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[astra]

could you get exact weight?

[msriri]

Watch that she does NOT chew. Poor little girl. I dunno. It'd be great if you could bandage her foot but guess not--at least not without an e-coller. Vet trip in order? Could she have bumped it on what looks like a stump in her cage?

Yes!.....That's what we think... There's a crack
In it and it's gotten bigger (didn't notice :( ). Big enough for her to get her foot stuck! I removed it... Sad because it's been a favorite plaything since she was little.
I'm in an illegal state, no vet yet, but I'm hunting

[msriri]

could you get exact weight?

Thanks, I'll try, I only have a very small gram scale.
She woke up and ate 2 boo balls and 1 hhb!!...
Then right back to sleep. She picked at it a little and is walking a little different, I do think it hurts

[redwuff]

Could she have gotten a toe caught and lost it? That will cause alot of blood.

Trysh

[Chickenlegs]

What state are you in? Maybe there's a vet within driving distance and a member can help if it's a state that won't allow a vet to treat a squirrel unless you're liscensed in that state. Poor sweetie's foot. Guess you could cover the stump with nice soft fleece so she can't get to it to catch her foot but her toy is still there. Know anybody with an old fur coat? That makes for nice frictionless areas for a hurt foot or a baby with mobility problems May as well put that fur to good use. Poor critter it came from is long gone.

As for the Motrin, I always wonder if it's better to releive the pain or allow something to hurt if it's not severe, cause if it feels OK she may start walking on it before it's healed.

[SammysMom]

I wondered if maybe she tore her nail. They bleed like crazy on other animals! :grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

I have seen that much blood when Sarah bites another's toe...
she is the troll under the bridge if you don't know her.
She has the cage everyone wants to be on top of!:shakehead

If you have metacam, it's perfect. Moderate pain aide and top shelf anti- inflammatory. Two days @ 0.3mg/kg SID (once daily).

Go over her cage with a fine tooth comb even after removing the suspected log...look at everything..staples, nails, sharp hardware cloth etc.
pad the bottom of her cage well.
Alternate/stagger shelves on both sides of her cage so she has small jumps and more floor area (sq inches) leaving the middle open for hanging hamocks that move so she can spring from those and fall into playfully.
Also allowing room for branches etc...
I am thinking Stella's cage is large...:thinking
Just went to Stella's other thread and in her cage, I would stagger corner shelves, L shaped in all three free corners.

:poke I see a extra long boa or thick braided fleece rope with a hedgie hanging from the bottom swinging from the roof to the floor...:D and Stella tumbling wrestling on her back, yummy!:Love_Icon

Some hardware cloth is rough feeling and can give friction irritation, a
sanding sponge lightly will do wonders.

No chewing...the minute you see chewing...address it...with e-collar and focus nutrition, mental and physical interactions on nerve repair and circulation stimulation.
Open the blinds by her cage at daybreak and close them at dark..:thumbsup
keeps'em sane and sqly;) ;)
Give her many options for huts and stashes...
fasten a pouch/crown royal bag to the side of cage up tight under a shelf...they love being secretive...
Her cage is awesome ...plenty of space to keep her busy...
I offer small pieces of both green branches and dead wood branches..
I use washers and screws to add horizontal branches for laying and chewing...usually near an exterior wall, outta the way...usually higher than lower, generally 4-6 inches across...and I like oak:)
In the spring,watch what the wilds are eating and dropping on the ground, gather that for her too.
messy but good for teeth and stimulation...it's sqly to chew branches and pine cones etc...:thumbsup
If the wound continues to bleed as she bumps it...try some flour/cornstarch/ or styptic power.

If you do not have a vet..I suggest to start a meds kit, collecting emergency meds, just in case.:peace
There are several threads with numerous suggested items to have on hand if you live in an unfriendly sq state..
Henry'spets sells sq size e-collars.
hope this helps with insights...sending good vibes to your Stella:Love_Icon
Sqs are so worth it...life changing!:Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

I have seen that much blood when Sarah bites another's toe...
she is the troll under the bridge if you don't know her.
She has the cage everyone wants to be on top of!:shakehead

If you have metacam, it's perfect. Moderate pain aide and top shelf anti- inflammatory. Two days @ 0.3mg/kg SID (once daily).

Go over her cage with a fine tooth comb even after removing the suspected log...look at everything..staples, nails, sharp hardware cloth etc.
pad the bottom of her cage well.
Alternate/stagger shelves on both sides of her cage so she has small jumps and more floor area (sq inches) leaving the middle open for hanging hamocks that move so she can spring from those and fall into playfully.
Also allowing room for branches etc...
I am thinking Stella's cage is large...:thinking
Just went to Stella's other thread and in her cage, I would stagger corner shelves, L shaped in all three free corners.

:poke I see a extra long boa or thick braided fleece rope with a hedgie hanging from the bottom swinging from the roof to the floor...:D and Stella tumbling wrestling on her back, yummy!:Love_Icon

Some hardware cloth is rough feeling and can give friction irritation, a
sanding sponge lightly will do wonders.

No chewing...the minute you see chewing...address it...with e-collar and focus nutrition, mental and physical interactions on nerve repair and circulation stimulation.
Open the blinds by her cage at daybreak and close them at dark..:thumbsup
keeps'em sane and sqly;) ;)
Give her many options for huts and stashes...
fasten a pouch/crown royal bag to the side of cage up tight under a shelf...they love being secretive...
Her cage is awesome ...plenty of space to keep her busy...
I offer small pieces of both green branches and dead wood branches..
I use washers and screws to add horizontal branches for laying and chewing...usually near an exterior wall, outta the way...usually higher than lower, generally 4-6 inches across...and I like oak:)
In the spring,watch what the wilds are eating and dropping on the ground, gather that for her too.
messy but good for teeth and stimulation...it's sqly to chew branches and pine cones etc...:thumbsup
If the wound continues to bleed as she bumps it...try some flour/cornstarch/ or styptic power.

If you do not have a vet..I suggest to start a meds kit, collecting emergency meds, just in case.:peace
There are several threads with numerous suggested items to have on hand if you live in an unfriendly sq state..
Henry'spets sells sq size e-collars.
hope this helps with insights...sending good vibes to your Stella:Love_Icon
Sqs are so worth it...life changing!:Love_Icon

I only have one quibble here - please don't use styptic powder on tissue (flesh) because it BURNS. If you have a broken claw that is bleeding, styptic is great, but not on flesh. The flour or cornstarch (or pressure if they will let you) is okay on flesh. Even better is if you can stop them from moving around for a while - it slows their heart rate and slows the bleeding as well.

[msriri]

Thanks everyone. she is up, but doesnt want out. She is chewing on it some, Im stopping her if I see, but no more bleeding.
Im fairly close to SR&B2, Im pretty sure she doesnt know a vet that breaks the rules. Ill always be searching though.

Jackie....Yes, I have 3 shelves in the cage, now all covered with fleece. and two 3 ft ropes hanging at the halfway point on either side. Working on the one for the center.
I do have metacam and a few other things on the list. My problem will be when and if I ever need something prescription. Antibiotics are the only thing easy to find.

Im gonna search my house for everything soft and fluffy and cover everything in her cage today

[Jackie in Tampa]

styptic powder is wonderful when blood is gushing!
I t is recommended to use on flesh as well as nails, I am reading it right now...
just to clarify, not argue...peace
we need new pics of outfitted cage!!!sounds perfect!!!

[msriri]

Thanks to everyone for getting me thru that panic!
Stella was great tonight and didnt touch her wound at all...it looks good.
After this, I will be stocking my first aid kit with everything!
Ill also give her cage a complete makeover....I don't care if I have to do laundry every day, everything is getting covered!......and of course, pics :thumbsup

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Oh no, how scary! Glad she is doing good now.

Unfortunately I do not know any vets that will treat squirrels. If it is a real emergency and you're definite of what needs to be done (for example she keeps chewing and needs the leg amputated, which hopefully will not be the case), I might be able to find a vet. My aunt works at a vet clinic (would be probably 2 hours from you, it's one hour from me) and the one vet has seen 2 cottontails and amputated a leg on both for me because the one had a birth defect and the other had a compound fracture that was irreparable. She agreed to see the cottontails mostly because domestic rabbits are her specialty and she had never done amputation in a rabbit. The first cottontail survived and was my nonreleaseable for 3 years and the other ended up dying the day after surgery, I think from stress of capture and the pain (he was a full grown wild cottontail and the finder didn't know how he was injured, possibly a cat attack). She didn't charge me for the first surgery, but did for the second, so you would likely have to pay for the visit and surgery. If it becomes an emergency, I can contact my aunt and see if she's willing to see a squirrel.

My typical wildlife vet is willing to see some wildlife if he has time, and I think he does now, but he is very strict about the rules. If it isn't gonna be releaseable, he is in favor of euthanasia and will not treat so since we already know she's nonreleaseable, he won't see her.

[Jackie in Tampa]

i know a vet in lex kentucky also pilney in ny is ir's vet....
hoping aunt will see her if needed...