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Addy5
12-18-2011, 10:44 AM
So it seems like my squirrel had a little fracture on his paw, and the bleeding from his anus was due to constipation. I orded some Foxy Formula and some blocks for him, im also cutting back on the nuts and giving him more veggies! Thanks to everyone that helped!:thankyou :thankyou

jo_schmoe
12-18-2011, 11:39 AM
So it seems like my squirrel had a little fracture on his paw, and the bleeding from his anus was due to constipation. I orded some Foxy Formula and some blocks for him, im also cutting back on the nuts and giving him more veggies! Thanks to everyone that helped!:thankyou :thankyou
Addy....Jackie and some other experts are trying to get ahold of you to help with your squirrel. Even with the better formula and the change in diet your little guy needs help. If he does in fact have urine scald...you will need some meds for him from the vet. I recommend Silvadine.....it worked GREAT for Flash.

astra
12-18-2011, 12:40 PM
Addy,

Your little guy needs experienced care AND release buddies!

If you do love him, please do what is best for him, which is being taken care of by a very experienced person, who knows how to take care of his health issues and prevent them from escalating, and who knows how to integrate him with other squirrels for his release.
Someone who has much experience and knows how to handle squirrels with such problems as yours' in order not to make them worse.


If you love him, please let us bring your little one to Jackie.

jo_schmoe
12-18-2011, 01:01 PM
Addy,

Your little guy needs experienced care AND release buddies!

If you do love him, please do what is best for him, which is being taken care of by a very experienced person, who knows how to take care of his health issues and prevent them from escalating, and who knows how to integrate him with other squirrels for his release.
Someone who has much experience and knows how to handle squirrels with such problems as yours' in order not to make them worse.


If you love him, please let us bring your little one to Jackie.
Not to throw a wrench in the works.....but Jackie is pretty far away. Is there another local rehabber that can help? I've got a problem with taking an animal from a region ( with unknown illness and such) and releasing them elsewhere. I don't see how that would benefit the animal or the already released squirrels at all. From what Im reading she has a vet for the little one. Maybe we should all take a step back and show Addy HOW to care for the squirrel with her vets help. I know that personally I would be offended that so many people wanted to "take" my squirrel.
We are here to teach ( and learn) others.....Lets show Addy what to do!!! The hard part is already done.....finding a vet.

astra
12-18-2011, 01:23 PM
Not to throw a wrench in the works.....but Jackie is pretty far away. Is there another local rehabber that can help? I've got a problem with taking an animal from a region ( with unknown illness and such) and releasing them elsewhere. I don't see how that would benefit the animal or the already released squirrels at all. From what Im reading she has a vet for the little one. Maybe we should all take a step back and show Addy HOW to care for the squirrel with her vets help. I know that personally I would be offended that so many people wanted to "take" my squirrel.
We are here to teach ( and learn) others.....Lets show Addy what to do!!! The hard part is already done.....finding a vet.
Hi Jo,

There are no rehabbers near by.

We have found a way to bring him to JAckie.

I do not see what's "offensive" in doing what's best for the squirrel.
If this were a healthy squirrel, then yes.
But with health issues as serious as that and with no experience, it is best for this squirrel to be taken care of by someone as experienced as Jackie.
This is not about Addy or Jackie, so there is nothing to be offended by whatsoever. It's about the squirrel and what's best for him. And it is best for him to be taken care of by an experienced person because of his health issues.
If this were me, I would OFFER MYSELF to bring my squirrel to someone like Jackie, because I know that I am not well equipped to take care of an ill squirrel.I would do it willingly voluntarily, because I do not see anything "offending" in doing what's best for the animal, even if that's not what I "want".

Not all vets are created equal. Experience matters, esp. experience with squirrels.
As many members here can attest, often their vets, not knowing much about squirrels, give incorrect suggestions.

Jackie's vets know squirrels, and that's important for someone as comrpomised as Addy's squirrel is.

If his paw does not heal well and whatever is causing him to pee on himself is not taken care of properly, this poor squirrel might end up being non-releasable.

Again, this is not about anyone in particular, and there is nothing offensive in following the course that will be best for the animal in question.
Especially, when we found a way to bring him to Jackie: again, a lot of people are willing to sacrifice their time/gas/money/etc to get this squirrel to the best possible hands.

astra
12-18-2011, 01:34 PM
another thing that might be relevant to mention about there being nothing "offensive" in giving your baby to someone with experience:

1. When people find really small babies, they need to read something like this:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24132

is there anything offensive in asking these questions and suggesting that the baby be brought to someone experienced if possible?
Of course, it is not always possible and that's when people have to do the best they can, but IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET the baby to someone experienced, it should be done. Nothing offensive about that.

2. another "sticky" that is very pertinent to this:

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11677

so, just to show that there is nothing offensive in doing what's best for the animal.

jo_schmoe
12-18-2011, 01:43 PM
another thing that might be relevant to mention about there being nothing "offensive" in giving your baby to someone with experience:

1. When people find really small babies, they need to read something like this:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24132

is there anything offensive in asking these questions and suggesting that the baby be brought to someone experienced if possible?
Of course, it is not always possible and that's when people have to do the best they can, but IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET the baby to someone experienced, it should be done. Nothing offensive about that.

2. another "sticky" that is very pertinent to this:

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11677

so, just to show that there is nothing offensive in doing what's best for the animal.
Astra,
maybe you should ask Addy....

djarenspace9
12-18-2011, 01:55 PM
I had an experienced rehabber close by to Addy5 offer to take the squirrel for treatment and return him to her when he is well with instructions for care and Addy5 declined.

This is all I feel we can do...many offers have been made.

I do think it can be intimidating to have so many people coming at you at the same time even if our intentions are good.

Let's just keep offering our help and advice.
Maybe it's best if one person communicates directly with advice by email or PM so that Addy5 has support if not willing to surrender the squirrel.

:dono

jo_schmoe
12-18-2011, 01:56 PM
I had an experienced rehabber close by to Addy5 offer to take the squirrel for treatment and return him to her when he is well with instructions for care and Addy5 declined.

This is all I feel we can do...many offers have been made.

I do think it can be intimidating to have so many people coming at you at the same time even if our intentions are good.

Let's just keep offering our help and advice.
Maybe it's best if one person communicates directly with advice by email or PM so that Addy5 has support if not willing to surrender the squirrel.

:dono
:goodpost :goodpost :goodpost
Couldn't have said it better!!!

astra
12-18-2011, 01:59 PM
Astra,
maybe you should ask Addy....
ask what?

We've already communicated and from the start it was offered that we look for someone experienced to bring Addy's squirrel to. The reasons for that were explained, too.

Moreover, to bring the squirrel to someone experienced was suggested by some other people here, not me alone. And reasons for that were given, too.

In the beginning Addy seemed to agree.
Something changed now.

I think, I've been explicit enough about all the "why"s for bringing him to someone experienced as Jackie.
If someone believes these reasons are not enough... well.. I would like to hear their counter-reasons.

There is nothing more I can say.

There have been too many lost squirrels here recently due to lack of experience and proper care.

I rest my case.
I've said and done all I could.
And I've got to go.

The ultimate and final decisions about this squirrel's future are not mine to make, unfortunately.

astra
12-18-2011, 02:12 PM
I had an experienced rehabber close by to Addy5 offer to take the squirrel for treatment and return him to her when he is well with instructions for care and Addy5 declined.
after this, there is really nothing more I can say:shakehead
I am done here.

mpetys
12-18-2011, 03:09 PM
I had an experienced rehabber close by to Addy5 offer to take the squirrel for treatment and return him to her when he is well with instructions for care and Addy5 declined.

This is all I feel we can do...many offers have been made.

I do think it can be intimidating to have so many people coming at you at the same time even if our intentions are good.

Let's just keep offering our help and advice.
Maybe it's best if one person communicates directly with advice by email or PM so that Addy5 has support if not willing to surrender the squirrel.

:dono


I don't know why Addy5 declined. I can imagine it must be overwhelming to be new on a board and have so many offering help. Who to trust? What to do? I did read that Addy5 has a friend who is a vet who has looked at the squirrel.

I agree with djarenspace9, "Let's just keep offering our help and advice." I have posted, in another thread I think, and asked Addy5 to start a thread on his baby and post pictures and updates and to ask any questions he may have.

Addy5
12-18-2011, 03:49 PM
I really appreciate all the help, and I will try to get him to jackie later on. Right now everything has gotten under control (:

mpetys
12-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Perhaps Addy5 could contact the rehabber that djarenspace5 came up with. Am I the only one who thinks it might not be in this baby's best interest to come to an environment that has two squrrels with pox? Especially if he might be compromised to start with?

jo_schmoe
12-18-2011, 06:22 PM
Perhaps Addy5 could contact the rehabber that djarenspace5 came up with. Am I the only one who thinks it might not be in this baby's best interest to come to an environment that has two squrrels with pox? Especially if he might be compromised to start with?
No...you're not alone.....I said it earlier....:dono

Nancy in New York
12-18-2011, 06:40 PM
I think Jackie is very well aware of what she has and how to take precautions. She made the offer yesterday.
Jackie would never do anything to jeopardize her squirrels or ANY squirrel, if she thought there was the slightest possibility of a problem.
She knows her stuff, and has dealt with pox before, never cross contaminating or jeopardizing any of the others.

astra
12-18-2011, 06:50 PM
I think Jackie is very well aware of what she has and how to take precautions. She made the offer yesterday.
Jackie would never do anything to jeopardize her squirrels or ANY squirrel, if she thought there was the slightest possibility of a problem.
She knows her stuff, and has dealt with pox before, never cross contaminating or jeopardizing any of the others.
and I will add that first of, Jackie has handled many squirrels with completely different illnesses so many times, and there has never been ONE case if cross-contamination. If anyone knows how to treat squirrels without cross-contamination, it will be Jackie.
Moreover, there was an alternative - djarenspace9's rehabber, but it was declined all the same.

Jackie was the first one who agreed to take the squirrel right away.
If there are other options, I am sure Jackie will be happy as long as the squirrel is in good hands.
However, the other option was declined just the same.

PS. Has it been confirmed as pox?... don't remember it being pox. It was something different.
BUT REGARDLESS - does not matter b/c of all the above.

island rehabber
12-19-2011, 07:34 AM
Perhaps Addy5 could contact the rehabber that djarenspace5 came up with. Am I the only one who thinks it might not be in this baby's best interest to come to an environment that has two squrrels with pox? Especially if he might be compromised to start with?

Funny....I keep hearing the same stuff in stereo.......ON the Board, and OFF the Board. Hmmmm......:thinking interesting how the lines of communication are wired.

The squirrel needs help. Addy5 will choose which offer he (he, correct? My mom's name was Addye so it's confusing for me :tilt) wants to take. In the meantime, we ARE helping, he IS taking all the good advice offered. :thumbsup

I have a problem with assuming that cross-contamination is inevitable in the home of a very experienced rehabber: NOT TRUE. And particularly not with the experienced rehabber in question.

I will also put my two cents in here about "transporting and releasing out of an area." If this were a hard and fast rule, now listen closely: there would no longer be such thing as volunteer wildlife rehabilitation in the USA. Because most of us do NOT have land of our own and MUST transport to remote release sites. As for returning a squirrel to its own neighborhood? Well I don't know about you guys down in palm tree paradise, but I get my baby squirrels from gutters and air shafts in the South Bronx.....should I raise them and then bring them back to the bodega? Sheesh. :shakehead

SammysMom
12-19-2011, 08:51 AM
As always IR :goodpost :goodpost :goodpost
Maybe you can bring them back to the bodega when you figure out who manufactures body armor for squirrels...:jump

lizharrell1
12-19-2011, 09:02 AM
Funny....I keep hearing the same stuff in stereo.......ON the Board, and OFF the Board. Hmmmm......:thinking interesting how the lines of communication are wired.

The squirrel needs help. Addy5 will choose which offer he (he, correct? My mom's name was Addye so it's confusing for me :tilt) wants to take. In the meantime, we ARE helping, he IS taking all the good advice offered. :thumbsup

I have a problem with assuming that cross-contamination is inevitable in the home of a very experienced rehabber: NOT TRUE. And particularly not with the experienced rehabber in question.

I will also put my two cents in here about "transporting and releasing out of an area." If this were a hard and fast rule, now listen closely: there would no longer be such thing as volunteer wildlife rehabilitation in the USA. Because most of us do NOT have land of our own and MUST transport to remote release sites. As for returning a squirrel to its own neighborhood? Well I don't know about you guys down in palm tree paradise, but I get my baby squirrels from gutters and air shafts in the South Bronx.....should I raise them and then bring them back to the bodega? Sheesh. :shakehead

As usual, :goodpost :goodpost :goodpost IR. I just so happen to live in "palm tree paradise" (ironically, I don't have a single palm tree ANYWHERE) and I ALWAYS have my squirrels released out of my area. I do not have the facilities to release, and frankly, the backwards county I live in kill squirrels for fun and food, so no way would I put any babies I rehabbed back into their "natural" environment. My babies always are released FAR from here. And yes, I have taken babies to Jackie's, which is about 3 1/2 hours from me. Jackie has an AMAZING setup...both for healthy babies and sick babies. And no, sick babies aren't kept around the healthy ones. It's not like she has a pow wow in her living room in front of the fireplace every night and all the squirrels, sick and healthy, gather around. Jackie eats, sleeps, breathes squirrels and would NEVER let anything happen to one in her care. And countless times, she has had to "clean up" someone else's well intentioned "mistakes". I am concerned about the implication that by taking Addy's squirrel to Jackie, was putting him at risk. No offense here, but it seems like the Addy's squirrel has ALREADY been put at risk. 2 ten week old babies "sneaked" out of the house, one is missing, presumably eaten by a cat, and the other one now has a broken paw. Granted, accidents happen, BUT to imply that Jackie would be jeapardizing the squirrel because she had "pox squirrels" in the house, was uncalled for. And honestly, I don't think it has ever even BEEN DECIDED THEY HAVE POX. I sincerely hope for a good outcome for Addy's squirrel.:shakehead :shakehead

Jackie in Tampa
12-19-2011, 09:56 AM
thank you ladies...I am after all, the crazy sq lady!

Addy5..djarenspace has connections in south florida...
it may be a good idea for a wildlife rehabber that works with sqs everday to at least take a look...
most rehabbers have meds and know what they are seeing...in the best intrest of the sq:Love_Icon , please take her up on the offer!

otherwise maybe....a vet today!
sqs are legal to be seen by vets in florida...look for an exotics or wildlife vet.

remember petstores do not know anything about wildlife...
wildlife is the exact opposite of domestics, who like to be nutured when in pain...
sqs want to be alone and hiding, quiet, dark...
please provide under the container heat source, you just want a warm spotr, not hot, the size of your fist...if it seems too hot place a towel between carrier/cage/container and heating pad...
low setting.

with any injury, the body will weep..sometimes iunternally if no wound...please keep sq hydrated...it's very important.
watermelon, grapes, orange blueberries cucumbers

If there is wound/infection, he needs antibiotics...
if you tell me what you can get, I can tell you if it's sq friendly and how to dilute and dose if the members here think it's best...
if you can get metacam or tramadol, we can relieve some pain and help him relax.
others have suggested OTC meds as well.
signs of pain are...teeth chittering, chewing cloth, pinched or pleated ears, solitude, loss of appetite, crying, head down while sitting up..urinating in nest/on self

urine scald can be indication of many issues..UTI, pain, partial paralysis,
dehydration, not grooming due to other issues etc...

can you post pic of belly?


Is he eating? if he looses his appetite, he will go down hill fast. I can help with medication suggestions if he won't eat.

I beg you to seek PROFESSIONAL help...please.
sending good vibes to all....
thank you for at least finding thsi board...we really want to help the squirrel...no matter what.

Addy5
12-19-2011, 03:49 PM
Guys, I will get him to Jackie to release him, so far he is doing right. Quick question, Im waiting for the fox valley formula to get here, so I use the goat milk recepie thing as a replacement? On another page I read it is bad

Addy5
12-19-2011, 03:50 PM
and Jackie yes my friend saw him saturday night and has taken care of his issues, he is doing alot better, he is startin to move his paw more, and does not have UTI

Nancy in New York
12-19-2011, 03:59 PM
You can use the goat's milk recipe as a replacement until you get the FV formula. No problem at all.
Remember to get the goat's milk used for human consumption.:thumbsup

Addy5
12-19-2011, 04:23 PM
Okay, becaues I read that cow milk and goat milk were not to be fed to them, I guess the whipcream and yogurt change it up.

Jackie in Tampa
12-19-2011, 07:05 PM
cows milk does not have enough nutrition to support sq life..

goats milk is totally different ratios of nutrition..
and...has many natural immunities..
adding the cream , ups the fat and the yogurt is good gut flora,
Goats milk is easy to digest in most mammals.:thumbsup

Addy5
12-19-2011, 11:03 PM
Okay, just making sure! :thankyou

stosh2010
12-20-2011, 05:38 PM
How is our Fuzzy Friend
TODAY..
and his NAME is___________ ?
---Photo please...we love to see who we are praying for...Thanks.

Jackie in Tampa
12-27-2011, 08:15 AM
did we ever get an update?:thinking hoping all is well:Love_Icon