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Choloepus
12-01-2011, 04:30 AM
Alright, so last week was my birthday, and somehow a friend of mine decided it was a great idea to gift me a squirrel. I told her in the past, that I had a chipmunk a few years back and that it was a great animal and that I would want to have a similar pet at some point in the future.. she obviously read too much into this conversation and, well, "found the perfect gift"

I normally would be against keeping a squirrel as a pet, as I think these are wild animals - not domesticated, and therefor a little bit unpredictable. In addition tot that I do have two cats, which is the main reason I dont have my chipmunk anymore. Thing is though, I live in Beijing, China. Its coldest winter here right now, and there is nobody responsible I could give the squirrel to; I also cant just let it go outside, as I said its freezing outside, also it is a very tame squirrel which lets me believe that it grew up in captivity.

So I decided to keep it. First item of order was to get a new cage. It came with a 80cm*60cm*40cm cage - which was definitely too small for her (her name is Ninja btw) so I build a new cage which is 180cm*80cm*60cm. This is way bigger than all the size recommendations I found on American sites but way smaller than all the size recommendations I found on German sites (I am German). It is however the biggest size I can squeeze into my room.

Now I have had it for almost a week, and the fact that its still alive shows me that I am probably not doing everything wrong. Plus I got some (limited) experience from my chipmunk. But there are still some differences between a squirrel and a chipmunk, so I would really like to ask some questions and get some first hand answers from experienced keepers:

1) She is quite tame; from the first day on I could feed her with my hand, and she typically doesnt run away right away when I get close. However, a few days back I had to put her from the small cage to the big one, and it seems that she really didnt like that. She got nervous when I tried to pick her up and eventually bit me - and escaped my grasp. Me and my friend had no choice but to hunt her through the room, grab her and put her into the bigger cage. The first two days after that she was very frightened, and didnt eat from my hand. She does now eat from my hand again, but more cautious then before and she typically goes to the top of her cage when I approach.

Do you have any tips on taming her further and gaining her trust?

2) Chipmunks typically need something like a closed nest - a box with just one hole in which they can make themselves comfortable and where they can feel save. I provided the same thing to Ninja; however I recently read somewhere, that this is actually not a good idea during the taming process. The thing is, that Ninja can now always just run into her nest when she feels threatened, which somebody argued, would more and more estrange her to me. I got the suggestion to take the closed nest out and replace it with an open nest which I can always look inside. What do fellow squirrel keepers think about that?

3) I read that squirrels use their tails to communicate - my chipmunk never used to do that. However, Ninja is doing it with me sometimes. When I hold food which she really likes in my hand, and I hold it a little bit further away so that she has to come up, she starts wagging her tail quite heavily from one side to the other and looks undecided, looking around for safe routes which she could take to get closer to the food. Now I just read, that this tail-wagging could be interpreted as a "stay away from me!" Is that correct?

4) Unfortunately, with her still being in the cage and not really wanting to get too close to me, it is quite hard to make a photo of her. I tried a few times but up til now you can really see anything on the pictures. I would really like to identify, exactly what species of squirrel she is, but I looked on many pages online and they couldnt help me. Does anyone know about a page, which lists all squirrel species with pictures?

Just a small description:

She is about 20 cm tall when sitting, and can stretch her body to about 30cm standing (without tail). Her fur is very dark brown, almost black, over the whole body, except for her belly, which is white. She has very long ears with even longer hair-bundles shooting up from them. She has a very wushy tail. I believe she would be in her adolescence, as it is my understanding that squirrels only get born in winter.

5) Right now she gets a diet of hamster-mix (which is mainly sunflower seeds, hemp seeds, corn, some peanuts (unsalted of course) and some dried fruit like bananas an raisins. In addition I feed her some fresh fruit everyday. She loves dragon fruit and apple and she hates bananas. Today I tried some pear and she didnt like it, but maybe she was just full cause the pear tasted awesome :D

I know that almonds are poisonous to chipmunks and I would guess its the same for squirrels, and I know to stay away from salted or spiced up nuts. Is there anything else which I should definitely not feed? Anything which I should definitely add to the diet?

6) I read that squirrels are typically day active - that is they start to get active with sunrise and are active typically a few hours after sunset.

Ninja however seems to be sleeping quite alot. She typically gets up at around 8 am, than I feed her for about an hour (to bond with her I only let her have food from my hand right now), after which she decides to go back to her nest and sleep for an other few hours. How long exactly I am not sure of as I have to go to work. When I typically come back home at about 6 I can see evidence that she moved around the cage (small amounts of food which I hide in different corners of the cage for her so she wont starve / has something to do are gone, water has been drunken, poop lying around) but then she is already in her nest and wont come out for the rest of the day.

Yesterday I came back home at 4 pm and she was already in her nest.

Is this, because its winter and she typically moves less in winter? She doesnt hibernate, and I read somewhere that squirrels typically dont hibernate, but I know that my chipmunk did in the past. Does this have anything to do with it?

Or is it that she is in actuality very scared when people are around so that she chooses to spend most of her time in the safety of her nest? As asked before, would that mean I'd better take the nest out?

7) As mentioned before, I have two cats. When I had the chipmunk years back, they would have loved to get a piece of him. Sitting infront of the cage sometimes for hours, they would wait until the chipmunk came out of his nest and feed - and then just suddenly jump and cling to the wires of the cage, scaring the small guy ****less.

Luckily nowadays I have a bigger apartment, and until now I could make sure that my cats didnt even see the squirrel yet. Then again, the squirrel is obviously bigger than the chipmunk, and I saw some pictures online from several sources, where squirrel and cat seemed to be playing together. Would it be possible to actually hold the squirrel and the cat in the same room, maybe even for them to become friends?

8) As I said earlier Ninja is already fairly tame - I believe that she grew up in captivity for at least the bigger part of this year. Would there be any possibility of releasing her to the wild in coming spring? Or would she fail to survive outside because of certain skills she never learned during her childhood in captivity?

Sorry, I know its very long. Thank you to anybody who read the whole thing and thank you even more if you can answer any of my inquiries above.

astra
12-01-2011, 05:31 AM
Welcome!:Welcome
It's great that you came here for information and yes, you are right - squirrels better be outside.

It's really late and I don't have much time, so I will touch just a few things and will let our experts to elaborate further.


:) 1. Since you do intend on releasing Ninja in the spiring, please do not let her see the cats at all. Nor let her see you interact with the cats. Because she will assume that cats are safe and will lose her natural fear of them, and that will be her death sentence in the wild when she is released.

Also, cats are predators. Letting them sit and stare at her while she is in the cage will put a lot of stress on her. She will be constantly terrified, in a state of alarm - that's harmful on all levels: immune system, emotional, etc etc etc.
If cats get to her, even accidentally, even just a tiny scratch that can end up being fatal, because cat saliva carries lots of bacteria. Since you are in China, you might not be able to get proper antibiotics that should be administered right away. And even then, there is no guarantee that cat wounds will not prove fatal.

So, cats and squirrel must be completely separated.
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:) 2. That hamster mix you described is not a good food.
I do realize that you are in China, so the product lines will most likely be different.
Try looking for rat and mice food.
Here in North America at pet stores people get:

*Kaytee Forti Diet for rat and mice (blue bag), Mazuri rat block - not sure, but give it a try, who knows, maybe, you will find them in China.

*also, people order online Harlan Teklad at www.harlan.com, but don't know if they ship to China.

*The best squirrel block is Henry's Healthy Blocks available online at www.henryspets.com.
There is also a homemade recipe on our site for it. Although, all ingerdients are available at henryspets, too, I am sure you could find suitable substitutes where you are.

*Squirrels have very specific nutritional requirements, if these requirements are not met, squirrels become sick with MBD (metabolic bone disease), can become permanently crippled, paralyzed and even die.
In order to meet these nutritional needs they need to have squirrel blocks daily (see examples above) + a good assortment of green good veggies + safe wild foods + a piece of fruit and a nut or two as a treat only.

*So, look for rat and mice food at pet stores.
Hamster stuff with all the seeds is bad (seeds cause imbalance of calcium that leads to MBD).

*She might still need formula, depending on her age. If you post her picture, our experts could help you estimate her age.
Could you post her pictures?... Sound like a beautiful squirrel, probably ,Eurasian squirrel.
What kinds of formula are available in China?... any puppy formulas?
The best formula is Fox Valley, available either at www.foxvalleynutrition.com or www.henryspets.com, but again, won't know if they ship to China.


*As for the large cage, they need to transition slowly. You could put her smaller cage in her lager cage so that she could get used to it.
Squirrels do not like change, they need to be transitioned gradually.
Give her lots of old tshirts and fleece to snuggle in and hide . Just nothing loopy (e.g., towels, knits etc - are a no).

Could you post pics of her cage, too?...
Our experts will be able to make suggestions and share their ideas.

ok, got to go.
Do keep checking- soon our experts will be here to make suggestions.

astra
12-01-2011, 05:33 AM
here is the homemade block recipe.
Although, all ingerdients are available at www.henryspets.com, see what you can find where you are and contact 4skwerlz - she is the author of the recipe and will be able to help you pick suitable substitutes.
Squirrels MUST have their block in order to stay healthy.

Homemade Squirrel Block Recipe
(Revised 11/01/11)
Makes approximately a 4-week supply for a 1-pound squirrel.

Preheat oven to 205 degrees Fahrenheit

Dry ingredients:
80 g Pure Whey Protein Isolate for adult formula (for growth formula, use 160 g).
130 g finely ground nuts (any kind; peanuts, pecans, or almonds work well)
1/3 cup wheat flour (optional)
1 tsp aluminum-free baking powder
1 package (45 g) Henry's Healthy Vita-Mins*

Wet ingredients:
1 whole egg
1 tsp vanilla or almond extract (optional)
1/2 cup water, or a little more, as needed (this is for growth formula only; do not add water to the adult formula unless the dough is too dry when mixed)

Instructions:
Place dry ingredients in a large bowl and mix well.

Add all the wet ingredients to the dry ingredients and mix with a fork until dough sticks together. It will be fairly dry, like pie crust dough. Wearing gloves or with your bare hands (oiled), press the dough down and then start to knead it. Once the dough forms a ball, place it onto a lightly greased surface and knead a few more times until smooth and uniform in color. Roll dough out into a roll or flatten into a square, and place on a lightly greased baking sheet. Bake for 1 1/2 hours. While still warm, cut into 60 pieces with a sharp knife

Allow the blocks to cool for at least 2 hours. Then place in zip-lock bags and store them in the fridge or freezer. They will keep in the fridge for several weeks. They will keep in the freezer for several months (unopened and with as much air as possible removed from the bag before sealing). Some squirrels enjoy eating them cold or frozen, but you can also put a cold block into the microwave for about 5-10 seconds to warm it up.

Feed 2-3 per day for a 1-pound (453 g) squirrel. Different squirrels will have different energy requirements.

*If you want to make your own vitamin/mineral premix, please consult the Nutrient Requirements of Laboratory Animals-Rats, or one of the standard nutrient profiles for rats, such as those used in commercial rodent blocks.

Copyright 2009 Henry's Healthy Pet Foods, Inc.
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Henry's Healthy Pets

astra
12-01-2011, 05:39 AM
Healthful Diet for Pet Squirrel:

Your pet needs a balanced diet containing the right amounts of protein, fat, vitamins and minerals. A healthy diet should include the following:
• Henry's Healthy Blocks (or commercial blocks for rats )
• A variety of healthy vegetables
• Wild foods from outside
• Limited nuts and treats


Henry's Healthy Blocks
These provide the essential nutrients: protein, fat, vitamins, and minerals.

A diet of nuts, seeds, and veggies alone is deficient in calcium, protein, and other nutrients like B vitamins. This can cause dull or patchy fur and lead to metabolic bone disease (MBD). Pets are much less active than wild animals, so they need a concentrated food like Henry's Healthy Blocks. It's the only way for your pet to get the nutrients he needs to stay healthy.



Healthy Vegetables
These add fiber, fresh vitamin C, and micro-nutrients. Variety is key!

artichokes
arugula
asparagus
avocado*
Belgian endive
bell peppers
bok choy
broccoli
brussels sprouts

cabbage
carrots**
cauliflower
celery
chayote
cherry tomato
chicory
Chinese cabbage
cilantro, fresh

collard greens
cucumber
dandelion greens
escarole
fennel
green beans
kale
lettuce, all kinds
mushrooms

mustard spinach
okra
parsley, fresh
pumpkin**
purslane
radicchio
radishes
romaine
squash, winter**

squash, yellow**
sugar snap peas
sweet potato**
Swiss chard
watercress
zucchini


Wild Foods
These provide extra nutrients, amusement, exercise, and help keep teeth worn down.

acorns
antlers
bottlebrush flowers
branches*
carnations**
chrysanthemums**

dandelion greens
hibiscus, all parts
lambsquarters
magnolia cones
maple seeds
palm nuts & fronds***

pine cones
purslane
plaintain
roses**
rose hips

Other:

Tree branches, clean rocks, sea shells, and a box of clean dirt provide exercise, trace minerals, and help keep teeth worn down.

Before you feed an unfamiliar wild food, always make sure it's not toxic!

Treats
Treats are fun and can help with bonding, but should always be fed in small amounts.

Fruit:
apple
apricot
banana*
blackberries
blueberries
cantaloupe
cherries, sweet*

cherries, sour
crabapples
cranberries
grapefruit
grapes*
honeydew
kiwi
kumquat

lemon
lime
mango*
nectarine
oranges
papaya
peach
pear

pineapple
pomegranate*
raspberries
strawberries
watermelon

Insects:
Mealworms, moths, grubs

Nuts/Seeds - treat only!:
acorns
almonds
hazelnuts
pecans
pumpkin seeds
sesame seeds

island rehabber
12-01-2011, 07:54 AM
astra :bowdown :goodpost

Welcome Choloepus and Ninja! (I had a "Ninja" a few years ago, also female, and coal blue-black. :)) You have gotten the best information here from astra already and I will just reiterate that the diet you've got her on is NOT good. Peanuts, sunflower seeds and nuts are too high in phosphorous to be given on a daily basis - they wil leech calcium from her bones and cause MBD.

Once we know exactly what species she is we can do some research on her natural diet. Some species of squirrel can get more fruit and do well...others cannot handle the sugar in fruit and need more plant products (greens, etc).

YES to a nest box: every tree squirrel needs one in order to feel safe. You are the food guy, so she will need to interact with you and that's her motvation....but she definitely needs a safe, dark place to go to sleep. Tree squirrels are diurnal (except for flying squirrels); up with sun and down with the sun, basically. They always want to go back into their nest when it is dark, or cold.

And, again in agreement with astra: NO to introducing her to the cats. You cannot ever trust predator and prey in the same space, and cats could kill a squirrel simply by getting their saliva on her while playing.

ZackSchexnider
05-14-2012, 05:29 PM
All squirrels are different, mine doesn't like the blocks, find what food your unique squirrel will like!:Welcome