margies aprx 14 week red squirrel suddenly lethargic [Archive]

gs1

11-07-2011, 07:51 PM

taken out of another thread....

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31524&page=3

I am having the same problem with my little female red squirrel this evening. Last night she was zipping around and playing at warp speed, but didn't drink any formula for the first time. She is about 13-15 weeks. Not sure since one of the cats brought her to us during TS Lee. Of course her name is Stormy Lee. She has been very healthy and extremely active until tonight. I had to go shopping today and didn't go into the room to visit with her and let her out of her cage right away, as I usually do and I could hear her banging around in protest. She normally is let out of the cage for 6-8 hours in the back bedroom (we have cats) to get plenty of exercise and sunlight. When I got home and we went in to let her out and to play with her, she came out of the cage, but was very lethargic and uninterested in playing. She didn't want to get on my shoulder or be held which is very unusual. She just wanted to lay on the cat tree shelf. I watched her for a while and she kept stretching and yawning while stretched out flat on her stomach. At one time she lay over on her side and stretched her legs out straight. I have never seen her do this before. She has been on Hartz premium puppy replacement formula with extra calcium, and 8-1 Rat/Mouse blocks and Kaytee blocks, Parrot mix ( but I haven't seen her eat any of it. , with gray striped sunflower seeds. She gets a little bit of pecan at bedtime when it is time to go back in her cage. She sometimes gets little almond, or hazelnuts, and pinenuts. The only fresh food I've been able to get her to eat has been a bit of apple, but she takes the skin off. Just in case it is MBD, I gave her about 250 mg of a calcium tablet with vit D dissolved in water with a syringe. She barely fought me over it. Normally I wouldn't have been able to get a drop in her if she didn't want me to. Since she's been on the formula, 6-10 cc's daily up until yesterday, and what nuts she's been getting have been the ones with a higher calcium content, I'm not certain it's MBD . This is my first squirrel experience and I've been reading posts on this forum trying to learn as I go along. She does chew on a lot of plastic in the room, that I am surprised she finds. Mostly cat toys. I just hope she makes it through the night. There are no exotic animal vets around here. I'll give her more calcium later, just in case. Any thoughts?

gs1

11-07-2011, 07:56 PM

Hi Margie, Please do start a new thread for your baby one. I would, however, start the treatment for MBD. TSB sees these cases often and this seems like classic early MBD. We will check out and advise you in a new thread to avoid confusion on this thread. ..

gs1

11-07-2011, 08:07 PM

I am having the same problem with my little female red squirrel this evening. lethargic?

Last night she was zipping around and playing at warp speed, but didn't drink any formula for the first time

She is about 13-15 weeks.

Not sure since one of the cats brought her to us during TS Lee. Of course her name is Stormy Lee.

She has been very healthy and extremely active until tonight.

I had to go shopping today and didn't go into the room to visit with her and let her out of her cage right away, as I usually do and I could hear her banging around in protest. She normally is let out of the cage for 6-8 hours in the back bedroom (we have cats) to get plenty of exercise and sunlight. When I got home and we went in to let her out and to play with her, she came out of the cage, but was very lethargic and uninterested in playing. She didn't want to get on my shoulder or be held which is very unusual. She just wanted to lay on the cat tree shelf.

so she wanted out but not to play?

I watched her for a while and she kept stretching and yawning while stretched out flat on her stomach. At one time she lay over on her side and stretched her legs out straight. I have never seen her do this before. strange yes

She has been on Hartz premium puppy replacement formula with extra calcium, and 8-1 Rat/Mouse blocks and Kaytee blocks, Parrot mix ( but I haven't seen her eat any of it. , with gray striped sunflower seeds. She gets a little bit of pecan at bedtime when it is time to go back in her cage. She sometimes gets little almond, or hazelnuts, and pinenuts. The only fresh food I've been able to get her to eat has been a bit of apple, but she takes the skin off.

if she has mbd probably depends on how much formula she's been having...until yesterday...

Just in case it is MBD, I gave her about 250 mg of a calcium tablet with vit D dissolved in water with a syringe. She barely fought me over it. Normally I wouldn't have been able to get a drop in her if she didn't want me to.

so she's weak too

Since she's been on the formula, 6-10 cc's daily up until yesterday

, and what nuts she's been getting have been the ones with a higher calcium content, I'm not certain it's MBD .

i had to highlight that bit it was too important not to....

This is my first squirrel experience and I've been reading posts on this forum trying to learn as I go along. She does chew on a lot of plastic in the room, that I am surprised she finds. Mostly cat toys. I just hope she makes it through the night.

There are no exotic animal vets around here. I'll give her more calcium later, just in case. Any thoughts?

so you really have no idea either ...it could be plastics or poisons or mbd ... and you would have a better idea than me....since you're a vet tech....

:grouphug

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 08:13 PM

taken out of another thread....

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31524&page=3

Her diet and formula are all "iffy" Many of these foods could cause trouble. Can you describe a typical day's food intake so I don't just assume an early case of MBD. I have seem and treated MBD cases and many of the foods you listed were on the list of the squirrels I treated too. The truth is most squirrels will not eat the proper diet unless that is all they are offered. Rodent block has to be 80% of a squirrels diet with the other 20% being made up of healthy veggies, fruits and only a few nuts a week. Now that is a pretty strict diet and you can lighten up once in a while but you must correct this diet to have a healthy squirrel. First you will need to start the emergency MBD treatment and follow the long term regimen as it is described. It is an 8 week protocol and it is very important to follow it to the letter.

Marty

gs1

11-07-2011, 08:17 PM

Margie

11-07-2011, 08:29 PM

Thank you for those who have responded. Yes, I was a licensed Vet Tech in Calif where no exotic pets were legal. But I have been out of practice since 93. I have had pet rats, but that is as close to a squirrel as I have come to having experience with rodents. Until I found this forum recently, I was going on info from the wildlife rescue org website. I was going to release her before winter, but she hasn't been able to crack nuts or strip pinecones like the wild squirrels do, yet. She is acting like a colicky horse, so I palpated her abdomen and it seems sensitive. I haven't seen any fresh droppings. The past couple of days, her droppings have been small and hard, so I'm thinking she may be constipated. I had some canned pumpkin, so I just tried to get her to eat some, but she couldn't be coerced. Not even with it on a piece of pecan. I offered just a small bit of plain pecan to check her appetite and she refused it as well. She has been only getting a bit of pecan or other nuts as a treat, not as a main diet. She may not be getting enough water, not wanting to go back in the cage to drink out of her water bottle while she is on free time. I don't have any apple juice on hand and can't get any until tomorrow. Can I use Vaseline or mineral oil as a laxative for her? She won't take salmon flavored hairball remedy for cats.

Nancy in New York

11-07-2011, 08:30 PM

i'm confused cause it looks like she's getting lots of formula and hasn't stopped.... if it has extra calcium... could it really be mbd???:thinking :dono

i obviously don't know... not stepping on toes here....:hidechair

In her thread she states that she is on formula, but only 6-10 cc's daily which is only a tiny amount....:dono

gs1

11-07-2011, 08:33 PM

In her thread she states that she is on formula, but only 6-10 cc's daily which is only a tiny amount....:dono

nancy thanks for clearing that up for me.... :D

so mbd is still a possiblity

Nancy in New York

11-07-2011, 08:33 PM

Can I use Vaseline or mineral oil as a laxative for her? She won't take salmon flavored hairball remedy for cats.

Why would you give her hairball remedy for cats?
You can try a little bit of orange juice diluted with water...do 50/50.

Nancy in New York

11-07-2011, 08:34 PM

nancy thanks for clearing that up for me.... :D

so mbd is still a possiblity

I would think so, and the diet isn't that healthy. Lots of missing things here.

gs1

11-07-2011, 08:37 PM

Thank you for those who have responded. Yes, I was a licensed Vet Tech in Calif where no exotic pets were legal. But I have been out of practice since 93. I have had pet rats, but that is as close to a squirrel as I have come to having experience with rodents.

Until I found this forum recently, I was going on info from the wildlife rescue org website. I was going to release her before winter, but she hasn't been able to crack nuts or strip pinecones like the wild squirrels do, yet.

yes cannot be released at this time :thumbsup

She is acting like a colicky horse, so I palpated her abdomen and it seems sensitive.

but no bloat???

I haven't seen any fresh droppings. The past couple of days, her droppings have been small and hard, so I'm thinking she may be constipated.

ok another possiblity

I had some canned pumpkin, so I just tried to get her to eat some, but she couldn't be coerced.

if constipation they like watermelon

Not even with it on a piece of pecan. I offered just a small bit of plain pecan to check her appetite and she refused it as well.

so she has no appetite.

She has been only getting a bit of pecan or other nuts as a treat, not as a main diet.
good to know:thumbsup

She may not be getting enough water, not wanting to go back in the cage to drink out of her water bottle while she is on free time.

well this is important ...if dehydrated ... or constipated etc... can you give her some water in a syringe?

I don't have any apple juice on hand and can't get any until tomorrow. Can I use Vaseline or mineral oil as a laxative for her? She won't take salmon flavored hairball remedy for cats

off the top of my head i'd say no!!!.

for now ...just keep pushing water.....:grouphug

Margie

11-07-2011, 08:40 PM

I thought the hairball remedy would work as a mild laxative if she has a bowel obstruction or severe constipation. I don't have any orange juice in the house either, and I wanted to give her something that would get things moving through her system. I'll see if she'll eat a slice of apple but so far she has refused all foods offered. With horses, you give mineral oil, and cats mineral oil or vaseline, so I didn't know if it would work on squirrels or not.

gs1

11-07-2011, 08:43 PM

for constipation ...canned pumpkin ...no pie filling/no spices and extra water.... if bloated you can soak them but that's another issue....

watermelon is excellent too.....

i'd be pushing the pumpkin over anything else....

:grouphug

also for tonight i'd still continue on the mdb treatment

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31502

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 08:46 PM

If she has any stool, I would not do any laxatives at this time. I would increase her water intake. The fluids alone can help with the dry, small bowel movements. Did you say what her urine looks like or what the output is?? Has it changed??

Marty

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 08:50 PM

Nancy in New York

11-07-2011, 09:06 PM

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 09:33 PM

I think right now, I am more concerned with her being lethargic. Keep up the calcium for now, this won't hurt, and we need to change her diet. Did you get the link I sent you? Go into the nutrition section....there is a lot of helpful information on what the good foods are for our little ones.

Yes what she said too. :thumbsup I definitely would change this diet a bit to see if this is diet related. BTW, mineral oil can be used as a laxative for squirrels if needed. I wouldn't use it yet. Unless you really feel she needs it.

Margie

11-07-2011, 09:35 PM

She is not bloated, and I haven't seen any urine, so I don't know what the appearance is. I don't live where there is a ready supply of things like goat's milk at night or anything else at night. I live out in the country nowhere near a pet store of any kind. It's what I can get at a small Wal Mart, mail order or nothing. I don't even know if I can get goat's milk tomorrow. If so, I'll try to get some and try to get her to take that formula. What's wrong with the Hartz powdered formula? It has a good level of fats, protein and calcium. She has seemed healthy, shiny coat, plump enough and plenty of energy. Tomorrow I can try to get her some watermelon, apple juice, a cuttle bone, and everything else that was suggested. I looked at the Henry's blocks online, and they looked like all pecan. If I can get her over this hump, I'll order her whatever you suggest. We've already bought her a $100 cage and nest box for the winter and will keep her as a NR if her teeth don't come in right. I'll take her to the vet tomorrow, if she's no better and if he thinks he can do anything for her. Thanks again for the suggestions.

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 09:45 PM

:thankyou Please keep us posted on how she is. The Hartz formula is not formulated for squirrels. You can order Fox valley formula online specifically for baby squirrels. The HHB's are excellent for squirrels and have been formulated specifically for squirrels too. Do you have the links to the nutrition sections? Where to order formula, etc.

Marty

UDoWhat

11-07-2011, 09:50 PM

FYI, Just copied this to give you the sites to order formula if you would like. This was part of another post so the" food NOW" part does not apply in this case. Hope this is helpful.

Temporary Formula for Infant Squirrels – The Goat’s Milk Formula

Because of recent manufacturing issues, Esbilac and other puppy formulas are no longer being recommended for squirrels or other wildlife. The formula that TSB recommends, Fox Valley Day One, is currently available online at www.foxvalleynutrition.com and www.henryspets.com. But those require shipping and this baby squirrel needs food NOW.

One of our senior members who posts as Jackie in Tampa uses an excellent temporary substitute, and it can be assembled from locally purchased ingredients:

3 parts goat’s milk
1 part heavy whipping cream*
1 part vanilla yogurt

Formula will last 48 hours in refrigerator.

muffinsquirrel

11-07-2011, 10:11 PM

This is my first squirrel experience and I've been reading posts on this forum trying to learn as I go along. She does chew on a lot of plastic in the room, that I am surprised she finds. Mostly cat toys. I just hope she makes it through the night. There are no exotic animal vets around here. I'll give her more calcium later, just in case. Any thoughts?

This is just an 'off-the-wall, scraping the bottom of the barrel, grasping at straws' idea of mine. But I kept going back and rereading the first post over and over until this hit me. "She does chew on a lot of plastic in the room, that I am surprised she finds. Mostly cat toys." Could the dried cat saliva on the toys have anything to do with this? I don't know enough to know if this is even possible, but I do know enough to know that cats can be bad news.

Good luck with your baby - hope it all turns around soon.

muffinsquirrel

Margie

11-07-2011, 10:24 PM

Thanks for the food links. I just read the posts on the Esbilac formula change problem. I have been mixing it in advance like they have recommended, and using fresh formula everyday. She has never had any problems with diarrhea from it. I guess the Hartz premium with added calcium is like Esbilac, but she has been doing good on it, no Esbilac was available. I was only going to keep her a short time. She was supposed to go to a squirrel rehabber in the area for release in an area where she would be fed during the winter, but that didn't work out and I am left keeping her for the winter. For a while I was just going day to day on supplies, thinking she'd be gone any day. Now, she should be old enough to be weaned from what I've read. Her eyes were open when we found her, but she had no upper incisors, and could only crawl. That was on Sept 4. So I'm guessing 5-7 weeks then, depending on what age chart you refer to. We've become very attached to each other now, so I really care what happens to her. I have offered her many types of veggies and she tastes of it then refuses it. Banana was the worse. She tasted of it, then tried to wipe it off of her tongue with her hands. The squirrel sites say give gray striped sunflower seeds and she eats those, and the rodent blocks some. I get pine nuts that have fallen out of the pine cones for her. That's what the wild squirrels seem to it. She doesn't like peanuts of any kind. I'll break up the blocks and see if she'll eat some of it better.

KathleenNYC

11-08-2011, 05:27 AM

I copied this from another page.

Jackie,
Margie has a thread started here:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=700348#post700348

I hope her baby is ok !!!

Temporary Formula for Infant Squirrels � The Goat�s Milk Formula
http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29903

Jackie in Tampa

11-08-2011, 06:16 AM

I am brief bad typer...
no pine nuts, no seeds...too high in phosphorus..
HARTZ kills...everything they make is targeted at dollars and death...so you will blame the critter species and by another different pet and start all over spending money, they are a nightmare company, they even have a second company with a different name to fool us ANTI HARTZ advocates...L&M Farms or something similar...be careful and stay away from anything HARTZ!:devil
SubQ may be needed to pick up appetite...try rubbing molasses or karo, log cabin on gums also to stimulate appetite. Getting the blood sugars up will help her feel better...

be careful...not all vets will return wildlife to non rehabber statis care giver:peace
If you have sq friendly vet in southern alabama, I would love the name..I try to keep a log for future help if we ever need it, TY.
I know some members that may be near you, let me know if I need to contact them for you.

Muffin may have something there...:dono
will read some more...:grouphug thank you for doing your all.

Jackie in Tampa

11-08-2011, 06:23 AM

Walmart has fresh goatsmilk in the refridgerator section, near the milk...in a carton like half and half..Meyerberg is the brand...purple carton...

also canned near the eveaporated milk...canned GM is diluted/reconstituded {sp}:D ??
it will need to be diluted with water before using ...half and half...

do not keep GM in the can...place in freezer trays and thaw as needed...
freeze Pre formula, do not freeze the formula, just the straight GMilk..hope that makes sense...
Canned GM is good for 72 hours ONLY, freezing keeps it affordable:thumbsup
you can also freeze the fresh in the carton.

are you using a hydration solution...
I will read more, sorry...just wanted to get you the GM info before you go to the store.

Glad she is not eating the parrot food, sqs should not eat bird seed as a source of nutrition in captivity...
also...love her name...she needs to be eating 10 ccs three or 4 times a day if she is 7 weeks old'ish...
TSB recomends 5-7% of the sqs body weight
can we see pics?

Nancy in New York

11-08-2011, 06:35 AM

This is just an 'off-the-wall, scraping the bottom of the barrel, grasping at straws' idea of mine. But I kept going back and rereading the first post over and over until this hit me. "She does chew on a lot of plastic in the room, that I am surprised she finds. Mostly cat toys." Could the dried cat saliva on the toys have anything to do with this? I don't know enough to know if this is even possible, but I do know enough to know that cats can be bad news.

Good luck with your baby - hope it all turns around soon.

muffinsquirrel

Great minds muffinsquirrel....I told her in a pm that cat saliva can be deadly to squirrels. But like you, I wasn't sure about it being dried etc.
In any case, I would get this little one her own toys that the cats cannot get a hold of....:thumbsup

Margie

11-08-2011, 07:58 PM

Good news! Today Stormy Lee finally passed the bowel obstruction, lots of poop and is back to her zippy self. She did a lot of straining and passed a pile of droppings which included a wood splinter over almost 3/4 inches long. One end was enclosed in a fecal pellet and the other end was very sharp and exposed. No wonder she was so painful in the abdomen! I gave her water with calcium last night a couple of times, but each time she became more resentful with the pain becoming more severe. The third time she was screaming in pain when I would try to hold her to force the water in her mouth. At that point it became a question of whether or not the stress was worse than the treatment, so I just let her rest. I had to restrict her to the cat carrier, since getting her out of the nest box in the big cage was so difficult. I couldn't get her to take yogurt, juice or anything else last night. After she passed the feces, she was immediately brighter and more active. Her appetite came back, too. Unless she developes a secondary enteritis or peritonitis from the splinter damage, she is back to normal. Very active and happy. She is not 7 weeks old. She was 5-7 weeks when she came to me on Sept 4. I am in Repton, AL. It's about two hours drive either way between Mobile and Montgomery. Thanks again for all your help.

gs1

11-08-2011, 08:15 PM

dear Lord margie!!! i have to sit down for a while!!! omg.... omg....:grouphug

Good news! Today Stormy Lee finally passed the bowel obstruction, lots of poop and is back to her zippy self. She did a lot of straining and passed a pile of droppings which included a wood splinter over almost 3/4 inches long. One end was enclosed in a fecal pellet and the other end was very sharp and exposed. No wonder she was so painful in the abdomen! I gave her water with calcium last night a couple of times, but each time she became more resentful with the pain becoming more severe. The third time she was screaming in pain when I would try to hold her to force the water in her mouth. At that point it became a question of whether or not the stress was worse than the treatment, so I just let her rest. I had to restrict her to the cat carrier, since getting her out of the nest box in the big cage was so difficult. I couldn't get her to take yogurt, juice or anything else last night. After she passed the feces, she was immediately brighter and more active. Her appetite came back, too. Unless she developes a secondary enteritis or peritonitis from the splinter damage, she is back to normal. Very active and happy. She is not 7 weeks old. She was 5-7 weeks when she came to me on Sept 4. I am in Repton, AL. It's about two hours drive either way between Mobile and Montgomery. Thanks again for all your help.

UDoWhat

11-08-2011, 08:16 PM

:thankyou Margie for the update. Do you think you should start her on a round of antibiotics? Did she have any blood in the poop she passed or any in subsequent poops. I am so happy that she seems to be her "old" self more today. Just watch for infections. Keep us posted on this little one. :poop

Marty

Margie

11-08-2011, 09:12 PM

There was no blood in the stool. I will watch for signs of infection. The local vet doesn't treat squirrels, and I would have to tell him what meds I needed if she did have an infection. What would be the recommended AB and dosage? I have no idea how much she weighs, but she is getting close to full size for a eastern red squirrel in this area. I can't hold her with one hand around her body.

gs1

11-08-2011, 09:15 PM

Nancy in New York

11-08-2011, 09:22 PM

UDoWhat

11-08-2011, 09:37 PM

margie ...

we must have a weight for meds etc.... also to try to figure out her diet etc.... how much formula she should be on etc. etc. etc....

so please... get some kitchen scales and put a box in it and then note the weight ...then put her in the box etc...

also photos are really helpful....

maybe something to use as reference too... like a ruler etc....

but we really need weight....

:grouphug

edit: could we have the closest main city/town to you incase we can find some members/rehabbers that can help with vets etc...

Yes, we need a weight to be able to dose your squirrel. You can get a kitchen type scale at Target, WalMart, Bed, Bath and Beyond etc.. I think I would ask the Vet for Baytril 22.7mg/ml liquid oral suspension. I (we) can dose it if I can even get close on a weight. Your Vet may recommend something else. If so, go with what they recommend.

Marty

astra

11-08-2011, 09:39 PM

Fantastic news....so your little one is a red? I adore the reds. I would imagine that her weight is probably around 160-175 grams...but a picture would help a lot too.
And gs1 is right, in order to get doseage for abs. you need a weight.
I am not sure if she is a red.:thinking :dono
Margie, can you post a picture?

What confused me is how you said she is "eastern red".
There are Eastern Greys and American reds.
There are no eastern reds.:)
it's just sometimes people name them by the colour of their fur, and i found that often greys with a lot of red/yellow in their fur were often referred to as either reds or foxers, but they turned out to be just greys with a lot of yellow/reddish hues.:)

So, a photo will be very helpful because reds and greys vary in weight significantly.

gs1

11-08-2011, 09:42 PM

here you go astra.....:D ...but i see what you mean!!!

I am having the same problem with my little female red squirrel this evening.

astra

11-08-2011, 09:42 PM

a wood splinter over almost 3/4 inches long. One end was enclosed in a fecal pellet and the other end was very sharp and exposed. No wonder she was so painful in the abdomen!omgosh!

gs1

11-08-2011, 09:50 PM

omgosh!

doesn't it make you squirm??? i've got the word out hoping to find a rehabber with connections to vets/meds ...just in case....

pm me if you want to know who i've asked so far....:)

Margie

11-08-2011, 10:53 PM

I have a picture of Stormy from a few weeks ago by my name. I did a lot of research on squirrels when she was brought to me, and she met the description of a red squirrel. She has the dark mark on the nose. We have the larger gray squirrels, and the much rarer Fox Squirrels in the area as well. The Foxes are a light gray with a black mask. I would have to buy a kitchen scale. I am on disability and trying not to spend anymore than I have to. I am already taking care of 8 rescued cats, 1 dog and three horses. I shouldn't be, physically I can barely take care of myself, but it gives me a reason to get out of bed and keep going each day, if only for a few hours. I haven't had any new clothes, shoes, or been to the beauty shop in years, all my money goes to taking care of my "kids".
I don't know how to post additional pictures to the forum.
I did mention in the last post where I am, half way between Mobile and Montgomery, but I am unable to drive that far. The Wal Mart here only carries what they have a constant large demand for. Goat's milk doesn't seem to be one of them. One day you can buy something there, go back to get it again, and they've stopped selling it. Not a large population here, it's a very sparsely populated rural area, and very poor.

astra

11-08-2011, 11:04 PM

oh, i see now.
Yes, she is a red. :)
To post pics:

1. Click on Post reply (as you would normally do to post)
2. Scroll down the browser window - see Manage Attachments <-- Click on it
3. A box will open with Browse<---Click on Browse: it will open another dialogue window that will allow you to choose a file/photo you want to attach. You will have to find it where it is in your computer: e.g., desktop, documents folder, pictures etc.
When you find the photo, click on it and click on Open (will be on the bottom of the dialogue box, next to Cancel)
4. It will bring you back to the Manage Attachments box with Browse, only this time you will see your photo's address in the browse line.
5. Follow the steps above to add as many photos as you want (i think, you can upload up to 10 photos - there are 10 "Browse" lines)
6. once you are done choosing photos, click on Upload.
Wait a few seconds, depending on the file size and/or how many you are uploading, it may time a few seconds to a minute.
7. Once it uploads, you can close the Manage Attachment box.
8. Click on Post Reply.
9. your post should appear with attached photos.

Margie

11-08-2011, 11:50 PM

I hope a picture is attached. I have to wait to see which one downloaded and I'll say when it was.

Margie

11-09-2011, 12:00 AM

That picture is from a month ago. I tried to download a couple when she was a month younger and really tiny, but they were too large. It's hard to take pictures of her, she jumps on me when I try to get close enough for a good shot. She loves a face landing. Today, my husband went in to check on her, and came out with a scratch on his chin and a grin on his face because Stormy was back to her frisky self again. I was just in playing with her for about an hour and she is back to her "whirling dervish with a fur" self. And 24 hours ago I was afraid she was dying. Bless her little heart, even with as much pain as she was in last night, and I was torturing her, she never even attempted to bite me. Today when she started feeling better, the first thing she did was start kissing and grooming me. God Bless sweet little squirrels.

CritterMom

11-09-2011, 02:47 AM

She is adorabe - but she is a little eastern gray squirrel with a dark nose, not a red. Regardless, I am very happy to hear she's better!

Sissy

11-09-2011, 02:28 PM

Wild Mammal Care of Alabama
Wild Mammal Care of Alabama provides rehabilitative care for Alabama�s indigenous wild mammals for their return to a natural habitat. An emergency hotline is manned 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (205.871.7803.) This free service provides information for those who have found sick, injured or orphaned wild mammals or who have questions regarding other wildlife issues. Along with the emergency hotline, Wild Mammal Care of Alabama plans to implement a volunteer program, a foster parent program, an education program, as well as a transport network. In the future, we would like to see a trained and licensed rehabilitation specialist in every county to provide immediate care for our wild mammals in need.

Margie

11-09-2011, 08:50 PM

Stormy Lee is still doing very well. No after effects from the splinter episode so far. I'm been removing things from the room as I find that she has been chewing on them. Things that I can't remove, I treat with chew deterrent. I'm trying to locate some antler pieces locally. I did some more research to her type, and she meets all the descriptions for an American Red aka Pine Squirrel. We have lots of pine trees and the ground below them are always littered with stripped pine cones. The research sources say that their diet is specialized to center around conifer cones. That is why I have been picking up the pine nuts to give her. I found an online source for squirrel supplies that I'm going to call about getting some primate blocks for her. My rats always loved monkey chow better than rat chow, maybe she will. Do the primate blocks meet the calcium requirement? They also have a plastic exercise wheel that they recommend for Reds. She likes to chew on plastic, so I'll have to see what Chris's says about that before I order her one. She is so hyper active she might like a wheel to run around in.

Nancy in New York

11-09-2011, 08:52 PM

Can you post another picture of her? Is she a little larger than a chipmunk?

gs1

11-09-2011, 08:56 PM

i'm confused too ...she looks like an eastern grey to me....

ps: henrys healthy blocks have very good squirrel blocks ...there's even a recipe posted ... although you can buy the vitamin mix from

http://www.henryspets.com/

as well as the blocks....

here is the recipe.... and the link to the member behind it all...

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31472

Nancy in New York

11-09-2011, 09:04 PM

This is a two year old red squirrel....Jeffrey:Love_Icon
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Baby%20Jeffrey%202009-20011/IMG_2853.jpg

This is a 3 1/2 month old grey.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Magentas%20Babies%20and%20Jeffrey/IMG_6332.jpg

UDoWhat

11-09-2011, 09:26 PM

I have to say, I think she is an eastern grey squirrel. She is a very small, very darling one. Maybe another photo to see for sure. How is she today??

Marty

Margie

11-09-2011, 09:30 PM

Nancy in New York

11-09-2011, 09:42 PM

What is the main ingredient in the Henry's growth blocks? Stormy Lee will not eat peanuts in any form. She loves pecans, but some of you said that pecans were not good for her to have too much of and the adult formula is made with pecans. I looked at their website and the ingredients are not listed.

You can send a message to 4skwerlz, she is the owner of Henry's and the baker...:thumbsup
No PEANUTS for the squirrels.

gs1

11-09-2011, 09:44 PM

What is the main ingredient in the Henry's growth blocks? Stormy Lee will not eat peanuts in any form. She loves pecans, but some of you said that pecans were not good for her to have too much of and the adult formula is made with pecans. I looked at their website and the ingredients are not listed.

the ingredients are in the recipe i gave you ...here is the link to the recipe and the member ....

you can use pecans if you want to or almonds etc....:thumbsup

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31472

Margie

11-09-2011, 10:16 PM

UDoWhat

11-09-2011, 10:30 PM

I appreciate the effort of the link for the homemade recipe, but i am unable to stand long enough to prepare food. I don't cook for the humans in the house, either. Just standing at the sink long enough to wash a couple of salad bowls and coffee cups will have me almost in tears. I'll have to try to figure out how to send a private message to 4swerlz. Stormy's tail is twice as long as her body. Is that normal for 3 1/2 -4 month old baby? It's wide but not very bushy.
I don't know if it is normal in every case but Stormy is very small for her age. With her body being so small her tail may seem longer than it should be. Just a guess.
I am sorry you have such pain. I am sure you can call or PM 4skwerlz. She can help with nutrition. Here is the link again to her site and phone # .

http://www.henryspets.com/

Marty