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MunchieMunchkin
10-10-2011, 04:18 PM
Hi everyone,

This is Jeff & Sean, we're owned by Munchie Munchkin, who introduced herself in the welcome forum yesterday. Apologies in advance for the long posting here, but we want to make sure we're getting it right.

Munchie is about 10 weeks old, and was orphaned or abandoned after a severe storm passed through about 5 weeks ago. We took her to a rehabber who was already swamped with about 30 other orphans. She was satisfied we were able to care for Munchie, so we took her back home with us.

We've maintained good contact and rapport with the rehabber, and in subsequent conversations, she's agreed with us that Munchie may have a mild case of Squirrel Down's Syndrome, and is most likely unreleasable. Before we were even aware that a similar condition existed with squirrels, we were commenting to each other that something about Munchie reminded us of humans with Down's. We are willing, able, and happy to care for her for the rest of her natural life.

Munchie has a slightly "squashed-in" face and a chunkier body, but does not have any other physical deformities that we can see. Her gait is at times halting, and she has occasional balance/support problems when walking on our arms or making small jumps between us. The behavioral symptoms are clearer. She is not overly active - sleeping most of the day in the cage (when she is active in the cage, it almost seems like separation anxiety: as soon as we open the cage and take her out, she usually finds one of our hands and curls up). She spends a lot of time licking our palms, fingers, and faces when we hold her - it can literally go on for an hour before she falls asleep. Temperamentally she is generally very sweet and calm, though she is an aggressive eater (fortunately!).

So... given all of that, we are trying to chart our way through the sometimes contradictory information out there and put together a plan to care for her, especially around nutrition.

Currently we are feeding her JustBorn milk replacer (for puppies), 5CCs/feeding, 3 feedings/day, with some probiotics mixed in. Feeding her milk by hand is a real pleasure, and since she won't be released, we haven't felt great urgency to wean her, but obviously we want to do what's best for her. About a week ago, we started offering her some rodent block and monkey chow the rehabber had generously given us, but the results were not great. She became extremely agitated, jittery, and distressed - like she was on a severe sugar high. We were genuinely concerned for her well-being, her stress was so clear. Obviously we stopped that right away, and returned to an all-milk diet. It took several days, but her behavior has returned to normal, and we've gone back to the drawing board.

The current plan is to start offering her 1 Henry's Health Blocks (squirrel growth formula) in place of her morning meal, and then bits of fresh organic veggies (starting with broccoli) throughout the day, keeping her afternoon & evening milk feedings going for the time being. The HHB should be here in a day or so.

So, given her condition and situation, does this seem like a reasonable plan? How quickly should we be replacing her remaining 2 meals with HHB? Does caring for a squirrel with Down's differ in any other ways from caring for a "regular" squirrel? This evening we'll be delving into the nutrition threads on this board. We want to give her the best possible care, so we welcome any and all suggestions.

Thanks!

sleeping koala
10-10-2011, 04:47 PM
Hi,
In case you were not aware there is a section that is devoted to squirrels with downs.
It is located here.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=169

Cheers
SK

astra
10-10-2011, 05:01 PM
Hi J & S,
I will let our experts give specific individualized suggestions,

I'll just say that you do not need to wean her off formula.
In fact, you should never wean her off formula, instead, allow her to wean herself. The longer she stays on formula, the better off she will be. A lot of ppl continue to give formula in various guises even after the squirrel decides to wean him/herself (e.g, they mix it with the squirrel's favorite yogurt, make BooBalls (recipe should be here somewhere), sprinkle on food etc etc). So, let her eat formula for as long as she wants.
as you probably know Fox Valley is the best formula for squirrels, can be ordered www.foxvalleynutrition.com or www.henryspets.com.

Def. introduce HHBs, but not instead of formula. Just leave it in her cage - she won't eat it right away, will play with it, stash it, pee on it, nibble it etc, but eventually, will come to love it. (while still giving her as much formula as she will take)

Once she starts eating HHBs with pleasure, you can begin to introduce good green veggies. After she comes to like veggies, you can start giving her some fruit as a treat only, and only after her daily blocks and veggies are eaten). A nut or two per day - treat only. (grapes should be peeled and the inner white "thready" thing taken out, apples - peeled, avocado - flesh only as pit and skin are toxic) (while still giving her as much formula as she will take - she will wean herself when she is ready)

Judging by the pic you posted in the intro, she did not really look like down's to me...hmmm... but it is often hard to tell just by one picture... certain clumsiness and wobbliness is normal for babies, as well as sleeping a lot.
In addition to coordination problems down's babies, usually, have problems eating and digesting, maintaining body temp etc etc.
Of course, in a mild case not all symptoms might be manifest
Sometimes, some babies are just a bit behind, but eventually catch up.
Time will tell.:thinking

if you could post pics of her from different angles it might be easier to see if she has visible down's characteristics:thinking

it's very good that you have a good rapport with that rehabber - she might be able to help you with meds/vet care if need arises.
Just never go to a unfamiliar vet with her, nor tell anyone that you have her - don't know what state you are in, but keeping squirrels is illegal in most states and vets can seize her from you (and some appropriate authorities, if they find out). So, be very careful about to whom you tell about her (the fewer ppl know the better)

and she absolutely needs her own thread where you could post many many photos of her:poke :)

island rehabber
10-10-2011, 05:25 PM
I agree with astra, and would emphasize that in several cases I know of, Downs Syndrome squirrels remained on formula their entire lives. They also sleep a lot more and are less active when awake than normal baby squirrels. I agree that MM does not appear to be Downs by the one picture posted, but that doesn't mean she's not. At 10 weeks, she should be pretty coordinated, fast, and hyper. If she's not, something's a little special about her. :)

One thing to remember about blocks: Henry's healthy blocks are your insurance that she gets all the vitamins & minerals she needs on a daily basis. They are a SUPPLEMENT: one or two a day is all she should have. They have NO preservatives, so you cannot leave them in the bowl the way you would regular commercial rodent blocks (Kay-Tee, Harlan Teklad, etc.). Let her try them, nibble them, then remove what she doesn't eat so it doesn't spoil somewhere hidden in her blankies. :D

pappy1264
10-10-2011, 05:27 PM
I suggest getting her on the fox valley. I am sending you a pm (look on the top right for private messages, click on that and then click on the message). She does not look downs to me, either. Her sleeping alot could be diet related.

MunchieMunchkin
10-12-2011, 02:41 AM
Thanks everybody for all of your kind replies. We appreciate it, and Munchie REALLY appreciates it.

I will work on sifting thru the hundreds of pics we've already taken of her to find a few good facial shots. Other than that, though, most of the unusual traits we've seen with her are behavioral, and it was these that led the rehabber to think we might have a squirrel with mild Downs.

I'll definitely look into getting her some Fox Valley, and we'll keep you all apprised of how she's doing.

We're really grateful this resource is here - there's a lot of confusing information out there!

Thanks again,
Sean & Jeff

pappy1264
10-12-2011, 07:05 AM
By ten weeks, this baby should be getting a pretty good sized buffet of different foods (inc. formula and block). Part of the behaviour could be excitement over 'real food'. Most people start offering block just shortly (if not before) their eyes open and slowly start adding foods in. I replied to your pm, hope to hear back from you soon.

Nancy in New York
10-12-2011, 08:09 AM
Not sure if you would feel comfortable posting your location. Doesn't need to be exact, just the state would be fine. It may be a good idea to have her looked at by a "squirrel friendly vet", if you are suspecting some sort of challenge for her. Perhaps we can help guide you.:dono
She clearly is one lucky little squirrel....:Love_Icon