Need help in MO

[misfit13]

Hello everyone,

Yesterday I found that there was a squirrel in my basement. I spent about 15min talking to him in a corner and trying to get him to go out the door. Well, after a while he got on the ground and as I was going to get him he started to run... as a outdoor cat got down there with us and went after it. The cat got the little guy from behind and started to do the whole death throw thing as it was screaming in its mouth. I ran up and grabbed the cat from behind, it let go of the squirrel and in turn it ran into a corner. I went upstairs and got rid of the cat. Came back down, found the squirrel in the corner still. Put on some gloves and got him in a bucket.

I saw that his arm was punctured by the cat pretty good and that there was a puncture wound in the upper shoulder area. He was shriveled in a little ball in the bucket, would not move. I took him out front and put him next to the tree where I always see them playing.... side note... this guy is pretty small. I think it is the same squirrel that I watched the last few weeks out my office window. The mother JUST taught it few days back how to jump form the roof to the tree.

I left him by the tree for a bit. Would not move. Would not go up it. Nothing. I figured he was probably in shock pretty bad. So I made a little blanket box and put him in it, with some water and a few pecans. Then put it next to the office window, window open.

Well, that was late yesterday. The squirrel does not want to leave the box. More so a few more things I have noticed. 1) If he is put on the ground he tends to run in circles. Straighten out occasionally, then back to circles. 2) have not been able to tell if he is drinking or eating. 3) I think he had a seizure this morning. His mouth foamed up and he twitched pretty bad for a few min. 4) He looks tired and does not want to move around much.

Umm, there you have it. Any help, advice, etc would be awesome. No vet around that I can drop him off to.

I do work from home... so I am actually able to keep a good eye on him. Right now, laying in the box...eyes open...not moving around much. : (

[misfit13]

Here is a photo of him:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/misfit13007/sq.jpg

[mpetys]

I have just sent a message to a member who is a rehabber in Missouri. I am not sure what part of Missouri she is in. If she can't help you then hopefully she may know of someone closer to you.

Anytme a squirrel is attacked by a cat, antibiotics are necessary as the cat saliva can be deadly. Hang on for more help.

[misfit13]

I have just sent a message to a member who is a rehabber in Missouri. I am not sure what part of Missouri she is in. If she can't help you then hopefully she may know of someone closer to you.

Anytme a squirrel is attacked by a cat, antibiotics are necessary as the cat saliva can be deadly. Hang on for more help.

Will hang on. Thank you!

[mpetys]

I sent a message to one other member in Missouri; so hopefully, one of them can help. Hang on as other members may have ideas.

[Nancy in New York]

Is there anyway that you can bring in this little squirrel and put him in a dark room with some heat. If you have anything like a cat carrier, or something with a lid, put him in that. Place a non automatic shutoff heating pad half under the container, and half off. Set the temp. at LOW.
He may be shocky still. Sounds like some sort of head trauma. He needs warmth, quiet and darl. Even if you put him in a bathroom, or in the garage in a non chew container.
Thanks for saving him.

[misfit13]

I sent a message to one other member in Missouri; so hopefully, one of them can help. Hang on as other members may have ideas.


Thank you! Also, update... just talked to a local vet who is giving some advice.


Is there anyway that you can bring in this little squirrel and put him in a dark room with some heat. If you have anything like a cat carrier, or something with a lid, put him in that. Place a non automatic shutoff heating pad half under the container, and half off. Set the temp. at LOW.
He may be shocky still. Sounds like some sort of head trauma. He needs warmth, quiet and darl. Even if you put him in a bathroom, or in the garage in a non chew container.
Thanks for saving him.

Hey Nancy, yep... he has been in a cat carrier since last night actually. Next to the window... sun on it .. nice and warm inside. :)

[DipityDane]

Where in Mo are you?

[DipityDane]

Oh! Nevermind...just saw Sainte Genevieve.....about 7 hours from me :/

[astra]

Thank you! Also, update... just talked to a local vet who is giving some advice.
can this vet give antibiotics?... cat wounds are deadly and time is of essence before the poor guy goes septic

[misfit13]

Oh! Nevermind...just saw Sainte Genevieve.....about 7 hours from me :/

Bummer! Thanks anyways though.


can this vet give antibiotics?... cat wounds are deadly and time is of essence before the poor guy goes septic

The vet is pretty far from me, so no unfortunately. : (

[DipityDane]

As a last resort if a train can be figured out he is welcome here.....hopefully something easier eill happen tho:grouphug

[misfit13]

As a last resort if a train can be figured out he is welcome here.....hopefully something easier eill happen tho:grouphug

I have a feeling he (or she.. not sure), would need lots of travel meds to make that train trip lol.

Update...

I think he had another seizure. Not looking so good. Poor little guy. : (

[misfit13]

Sick squirrel cam:
http://j-tv.me/plWunK

[NaturesGift]

Hi misfit!

Im by Mansfield Mo so thta a bit of a drive for you but here are some rehabbers im hoping are closer to you making a list one sec

[NaturesGift]

Dr. Jeffrey Bonner St. Louis Zoological Park 1 Government Dr. Forest Park St. Louis, MO 63110
(All species) 314-781-0900 (w)

Dr. Marie Bauer Veterinary Group of Chesterfield 17709 Edison Ave. Chesterfield, MO 63005
(Various birds & mammals native to Missouri) 636-861-1508 (h) 636-537-3915 (w)

Dr. Mike Crecelius Harvest Plaza Animal Hospital 4135 Old Hwy. 94 S. St. Charles, MO 63304
(All native Missouri wildlife) 636-946-0828 (h) 636-447-7200 (w)

Erik Nolan 2nd Chance Rehab 87 Deer Meadow Ct. St. Charles, MO 63304
(Raccoon, opossum, rabbit, squirrel, groundhog, skunk & fox) 636-936-2506 (h) 636-459-8171 (cell)

(if you call him tell him I sent you (Mandie)

Dr. Michael Crecelius St. Charles Animal Hospital 980 N. Kingshighway St. Charles, MO 63301
(Squirrel, raccoon, rabbit, turtles, opossum & snakes) 636-723-2400 (w)



Connie Schilling Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic 1864 Little Brennan Rd. High Ridge, MO 63049
(Native MO small mammals including skunk but no whitetail deer; bats) 314-780-9770 (cell) 636-677-3670 (w


If these are not helpful can you tell me what county you are in so I can narrow it down more?

[misfit13]

Hi misfit!

Im by Mansfield Mo so thta a bit of a drive for you but here are some rehabbers im hoping are closer to you making a list one sec

That is a bid of a drive. Thanks for the list and look forward to it!

update...

On the vets advice, gave him something to boost his sugar level. twitched once more after that...now calm. As seen in the web cam link above.

[NaturesGift]

Sally Whitener 2711 Whitener Ln. Farmington, MO 63640
(Small native mammals, reptiles & raptors) 573-756-7175 (h) 573756-8091 (w)



nvm that is your county!! this is rehabber in ST. FRANCOIS COUNTY

[misfit13]

If these are not helpful can you tell me what county you are in so I can narrow it down more?

Thank you so much for putting those links together. Very appreciated!

Unfortunately, all of those are over an hour from where I am at. : (

I am in Ste Genvieve, in Ste Gen county.

[NaturesGift]

ok thats 7 ppl!!! heading off to feed!! good luck!!

[DipityDane]

An hours not bad....maybe transport could be arranged OR the rehabber might be able to make the drive to you.

[misfit13]

Sally Whitener 2711 Whitener Ln. Farmington, MO 63640
(Small native mammals, reptiles & raptors) 573-756-7175 (h) 573756-8091 (w)

nvm that is your county!! this is rehabber in ST. FRANCOIS COUNTY

I am in Ste Genevieve county. That one is closer... but still about 40+ min from here.

[mpetys]

I know you said he was in the window with the sun on him but do you have a heating pad you could put under his carrier? When they are sick or injured, supplemental heat often helps with pain. Put the heating pad on low and only put 1/2 of the carrier on the heating pad. This way, if it is too warm, the baby can move away from the heat. I like to put a piece of fleece fabric or t-shirt between the heating pad and the carrier to diffuse the heat and not create a hot spot. Keep testing the carrier to see how warm the plactic is getting and if it is too hot, you may need to add another layer of cloth, t-shirt or towel between the heating pad and the carrier.

If you do not have a hearing pad, then if you could make a "rice buddy" for this baby, I am sure he would appreciate it. Take a clean sock and fill it with dry rice. Tie the sock off with a knot. Heat this in the microwave for about a minute. You may want to try 15 or 30 seconds at a time. You want it toasty warm, not HOT. Once this is warmed up, wrap it in a piece of fleece or t-shirt fabric to diffuse the heat. Put this in next to baby. He can lean against it, nuzzle it, cuddle it or some even will crawl up on top of them. Between being in shock and having seizures and any infection that has set in, he may have trouble keeping warm and anything you can do to help that will prevent him from wasting precious energy in trying to keep warm himself.

[NaturesGift]

Thank you so much for putting those links together. Very appreciated!

Unfortunately, all of those are over an hour from where I am at. : (

I am in Ste Genvieve, in Ste Gen county.


Well 2 counties around you have rehabbers.

ST. FRANCOIS COUNTY
Sally Whitener 2711 Whitener Ln. Farmington, MO 63640
(Small native mammals, reptiles & raptors) 573-756-7175 (h) 573756-8091 (w)

And

JEFFERSON COUNTY
Connie Schilling Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic 1864 Little Brennan Rd. High Ridge, MO 63049
(Native MO small mammals including skunk but no whitetail deer; bats) 314-780-9770 (cell) 636-677-3670 (w)


Thats the closest there is.

[mpetys]

I am in Ste Genevieve county. That one is closer... but still about 40+ min from here.

Maybe the rehabber can come pick up or meet you halfway. I don't know how it is in Missouri but here in Florida, most rehabbers have their hands full with babies and are barely coming up for air. Hopefully you can make contact and an arrangement can be made. This baby needs help as soon as possible. Praying for all involved! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Thanks Mandie!

[misfit13]

Ok... update everyone. Just got off the phone with the rehabber that is closest to me (thank you again for that info!). Unfortunately, she is swamped the next few days and we will not be able to get this little one to her.

HOWEVER...

Aside from being VERY nice, she was also very helpful. So, here is what is going on. I told her the story, what he was doing/what is going on etc etc. After listening in she said it actually does not sound very good... and chances are he might not make it even with help. Being put to sleep was suggested.

So, what is going to happen is this. I will be watching over him the next couple of days. If he makes it through that time, we will then meet up and he will go to her. She told me what I need to do and will be on call for advice. I also told her I would be keeping all of you up to date and getting advice from you the next few days. So, counting on ya to help out here if you can.

Thank you for the advice on the heating pad (vet said the same thing). Will be finding one now.

Anymore advice?
(oh my god... what did I get myself into)

[astra]

Ok... update everyone. Just got off the phone with the rehabber that is closest to me (thank you again for that info!). Unfortunately, she is swamped the next few days and we will not be able to get this little one to her.

HOWEVER...

Aside from being VERY nice, she was also very helpful. So, here is what is going on. I told her the story, what he was doing/what is going on etc etc. After listening in she said it actually does not sound very good... and chances are he might not make it even with help. Basically... being put to sleep may be the best option.

So, what is going to happen is this. I will be watching over him the next couple of days. If he makes it through that time, we will then meet up and he will go to her. She told me what I need to do and will be on call for advice. I also told her I would be keeping all of you up to date and getting advice from you the next few days. So, counting on ya to help out here if you can.

Thank you for the advice on the heating pad (vet said the same thing). Will be finding one now.

Anymore advice?
(oh my god... what did I get myself into)

I am sorry and not to hurt anyone's feelings, but... she is wrong in that she suggests to wait a few days on a squirrel that had cat wounds. That's a sure death sentence and a painful at that. If right now this squirrel has at least some chance if given the ABs, over the next few days, it will have zero chance.

There is nothing to watch and wait here. This squirrel will definitely NOT make it without medication.

As for going in circles, it might not necessarily be a serious head trauma. It might be a combination of things, including a horrible shock as it was in cat's mouth, for goodness sake. Of course, there is no way to evaluate the squirrel through the net, but some of them do recover well enough. This is not 100% deadly.

However, to be left with no ABs after cat wounds is 100% death sentence.
It might be more humane to put the poor thing to sleep now (and those who know me, know how much I oppose euthanizing them without giving them a chance) than let it die a slow and painful death of untreated cat wounds.

I know she is busy and all that, but to suggest to wait a few days while it is well known that the squirrel was in cat's mouth is more than just wrong...

EDIT: does she have/can she give meds?.. is there a way to drive to her and pick up meds?

[mpetys]

Ok... update everyone. Just got off the phone with the rehabber that is closest to me (thank you again for that info!). Unfortunately, she is swamped the next few days and we will not be able to get this little one to her.

HOWEVER...

Aside from being VERY nice, she was also very helpful. So, here is what is going on. I told her the story, what he was doing/what is going on etc etc. After listening in she said it actually does not sound very good... and chances are he might not make it even with help. Being put to sleep was suggested.

So, what is going to happen is this. I will be watching over him the next couple of days. If he makes it through that time, we will then meet up and he will go to her. She told me what I need to do and will be on call for advice. I also told her I would be keeping all of you up to date and getting advice from you the next few days. So, counting on ya to help out here if you can.

Thank you for the advice on the heating pad (vet said the same thing). Will be finding one now.

Anymore advice?
(oh my god... what did I get myself into)


Make sure the heating pad does not have the auto shut off on it or else you will find the squirrel on a cold heating pad after two hours.

I am concerned about this little one not getting antibiotics. I know you said she is swamped. Is it a matter of getting him to her. You can't get him to her or she can't come get him? Or is she just not available to receive him right now. I'm wondering if she has a vet that she works with where she could have you take him to the vet on her behalf for antibiotics.

It is hard to make a judgement call without having seen the squirrel in person. That being said, just from the picture you posted and the live cam feed, your squirrel looks better than a squirrel I had last year that was mauled by a cat. I got him probably several days after the initial attack so there was a delay in getting antibiotics into him but he did manage to survive.

I am just trying to think out loud and figure out how this little one can be given a chance to survive and to do so, would require antibiotics as a first step.

[NovaAlison23]

Call the vet and ask them to call in the script? If it was a painkiller usually they wont, but most times they will call one in for biotics (at least around here my vet will). Tell them it is life or death at this point.
That baby also looks like it should have something for pain. It can't fall asleep, and it looks like it is hurting.
Has the baby had any water? Or anything to keep it hydrated? Poor little guy, seems so scared.

[mpetys]

I am sorry and not to hurt anyone's feelings, but... she is wrong in that she suggests to wait a few days on a squirrel that had cat wounds. That's a sure death sentence and a painful at that. If right now this squirrel has at least some chance if given the ABs, over the next few days, it will have zero chance.

There is nothing to watch and wait here. This squirrel will definitely NOT make it without medication.

As for going in circles, it might not necessarily be a serious head trauma. It might be a combination of things, including a horrible shock as it was in cat's mouth, for goodness sake. Of course, there is no way to evaluate the squirrel through the net, but some of them do recover well enough. This is not 100% deadly.

However, to be left with no ABs after cat wounds is 100% death sentence.
It might be more humane to put the poor thing to sleep now (and those who know me, know how much I oppose euthanizing them without giving them a chance) than let it die a slow and painful death of untreated cat wounds.

I know she is busy and all that, but to suggest to wait a few days while it is well known that the squirrel was in cat's mouth is more than just wrong...

EDIT: does she have/can she give meds?.. is there a way to drive to her and pick up meds?

I agree with Astra. Here is a link to Davey, my baby last year who survived a cat attack: http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25090&highlight=davey+maggots

One thing I learned from Davey, is that these little squirrels have a massive will to live. I did not think that Davey would survive his attack. But he did. I would love to see this baby be given that same chance.

Please call her and ask if she has a vet that you can take the baby to on her behalf. I say that because I am assuming that she a licensed rehabber and that vets there will only treat wildlife for licensed rehabbers. If it is an issue of the rehabber not being able to pay for a vet visit and treatment, is that something you can do? Please find out and let us know as much as possible so that we can try to find a way to help.

Maybe try calling the next closest rehabber. You never know. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[misfit13]

Hey guys, thanks for the info and concern (and no feelings hurt here trust me).

I called a local vet... not help...no AB's there. Trying another one now. Trying to get a hold of some AB's. Can't make it out to that rehabbed due to the distance and work etc and her reasons as mentioned.

Will try and get it to someone else or some ab's : )

[astra]

Please call her and ask if she has a vet that you can take the baby to on her behalf. I say that because I am assuming that she a licensed rehabber and that vets there will only treat wildlife for licensed rehabbers. If it is an issue of the rehabber not being able to pay for a vet visit and treatment, is that something you can do? Please find out and let us know as much as possible so that we can try to find a way to help.

Maybe try calling the next closest rehabber. You never know. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
that's a good point - if she is licensed, she could refer you to a vet and if you are "under her", that vet should be able to see you and give the ABs and whatnot.
:grouphug

[misfit13]

that's a good point - if she is licensed, she could refer you to a vet and if you are "under her", that vet should be able to see you and give the ABs and whatnot.
:grouphug

Update...

I talked to a local vet who said that they would be willing to help out IF I first got the ok from the local wildlife conversationalist. So, I got a call into him now and am waiting to hear back...

[NovaAlison23]

Baby is being put on heat now (baggie with water put inside another baggie).
Water is in the cage, he is adding clean rocks/marbles.
Can he use human ABs for this guy if he has any? Would need a weight though, and squirrel seems very scared. Can we guestimate a weight on him? Based on live video feed?
He has a call into the local rescue center, it is in town, waiting on a call back.

[NovaAlison23]

I just witness a siezure. Its one front arm was flailing, tail came over his head and his head arched back. MBD? I don't know, I'm not a pro, but that's what I have read of them.

[NovaAlison23]

Wildlife center okay'd him to bring baby to the vet. He left, on his way now. Will update when they return.

[mpetys]

All we can do now is hope and pray for the best. I want to thank misfit13 also for caring about this baby enough to seek help for him.

[BeeFernandez22]

I am about an hour and a half away. I have antibiotics available and can meet somewhere. I see that the sq is on the way to the vet. Will be checking back for updates! Please let me know if I can help!

[NovaAlison23]

Baby is home from vet, got ABs. Warmed baby up and took some home made pedialite. Baby was hungry. Does tent.
*She* seems to be doing well thus far.

[misfit13]

Alright everyone, update!

Got back from the vet. The guy was a bit of a straight faced type... so much so that I honestly thought at one point that he was going to tell me to put the Squirrel down! :-/

Ok... so the update.

The vet gave her (I have decided to call her Andi) 3 different shots. One was ab's. I am not sure what the other one was. Here is a list of what they were named on the receipt:

Convenia
Dexamethasone
Dextrose

The vet also said that it looks like Andi has a bit of nerve damage. She tends to go in circles, always towards the same side etc. He said it may get better, only time will tell. But putting her back out to the wild right now would probably not give her the best odds for staying alive. He said taking care of her until I can get her to a rehabber would be fine... if I could "keep her alive that long". He was not very optimistic about squirrel/human interaction.

So after I got out of the vet and back here, I made her some homemade Pedialyte and feed her 3cc... which she ate it right up.

Thank you to everyone so far for the help. And a BIG THANK YOU to Nova. She has helped me out via the webcam chat through everything. BIG props to her. : )

BeeFernandez, if you want to come down and pick her up instead of going to other rehabber that is fine by me. Just let me know!

Last, she does seem to be doing a little better now. Just from the way she is moving around etc.

Alright, so that is it for now. Still checking these boards and the Andi cam is still going. : )

[Nancy in New York]

Thanks so much for the update....:Love_Icon
Well you are certainly giving her the best possible chance....thank you for everything you are doing!!!:Love_Icon

[misfit13]

Thanks so much for the update....:Love_Icon
Well you are certainly giving her the best possible chance....thank you for everything you are doing!!!:Love_Icon

Thank you! :)

[island rehabber]

Thanks so much for the update....:Love_Icon
Well you are certainly giving her the best possible chance....thank you for everything you are doing!!!:Love_Icon

Ditto that! Best wishes for a happy outcome here! :thumbsup

[Twi_prime]

Hey Misfit, I hope Andi is doing well. Thanks for being there for her. :grouphug

[misfit13]

Thank you everyone for the kind words!

OK... update!

Andy (yes, now with a Y as I found out that it is really a boy... saw his little pink member this morning lol) is doing GREAT! So after yesterday I feed 3cc of ped about every 3hrs. And pretty much left it alone other than that...kept quite. Feed today a couple times. Looked ok in the cage. So, I took Andy out of the cage and put him on the ground in my office... well... he is running all over the place lol. Even some leaping and bounding... and the odd rubbing/dragging of his butt across the carpet. And exploring.. (or maybe trying to get out?) the room.

That being said, he still goes in the same circle patterns for the most part, but they do seem a bit better than they were. I noticed he is straightening out more and turning the other direction some times as well.

Last night I let him out for a few min, and the circles were worse... as he circled himself headfirst right into a wall. It was kinda sad and cute at the same time.

So I guess the question becomes... do you think it is time I set him free outside/let him go?

Thoughts please and thanks again everyone!

[misfit13]

Oh....and one more thing.... put a slice of banana in the cage... and he was eating on it!

Squirrel cam back up:
http://j-tv.me/nO6RYi

[Nancy in New York]

Thank you everyone for the kind words!

OK... update!

Andy (yes, now with a Y as I found out that it is really a boy... saw his little pink member this morning lol) is doing GREAT! So after yesterday I feed 3cc of ped about every 3hrs. And pretty much left it alone other than that...kept quite. Feed today a couple times. Looked ok in the cage. So, I took Andy out of the cage and put him on the ground in my office... well... he is running all over the place lol. Even some leaping and bounding... and the odd rubbing/dragging of his butt across the carpet. And exploring.. (or maybe trying to get out?) the room.

That being said, he still goes in the same circle patterns for the most part, but they do seem a bit better than they were. I noticed he is straightening out more and turning the other direction some times as well.

Last night I let him out for a few min, and the circles were worse... as he circled himself headfirst right into a wall. It was kinda sad and cute at the same time.

So I guess the question becomes... do you think it is time I set him free outside/let him go?

Thoughts please and thanks again everyone!

Not even close to being ready for release if he is still going in circles. Years ago when one of mine had head trauma, he was on dex for 5 days. That's when I noticed a difference and after a week or so, he was rereleased.
Is he fighting captivity? Is it possible for you to care for him longer?

He needs to eat and stay hydrated. Are you feeding him and is he taking water on his own, or is he on formula?

[misfit13]

Not even close to being ready for release if he is still going in circles. Years ago when one of mine had head trauma, he was on dex for 5 days. That's when I noticed a difference and after a week or so, he was rereleased.
Is he fighting captivity? Is it possible for you to care for him longer?

He needs to eat and stay hydrated. Are you feeding him and is he taking water on his own, or is he on formula?

Thanks for the heads up Nancy!

He is not fighting captivity from what I see. Yes, I can care for him as long as need be.

I am giving him 3cc of home made pedialite every 3hrs from a syringe. He eats it right up. Put a banana slice in the carrier with him, he has been nibbling at it. Had a water dish in there... then took it out. Will put it back in and keep an eye to see if he is using on his own.

[NovaAlison23]

Don't forget those stones/marbles in there. I tried to check on him, but all I saw was his little monster, lol.
I'm so happy he is doing well. Did you get that goats milk mixture? He can probably start that if that tiny tent we saw is gone. He will love if.

[misfit13]

Don't forget those stones/marbles in there. I tried to check on him, but all I saw was his little monster, lol.
I'm so happy he is doing well. Did you get that goats milk mixture? He can probably start that if that tiny tent we saw is gone. He will love if.

I will make sure to put those in for sure... thanks for the reminder!

That is funny that all you saw was the stuffed monster! :rotfl

I have not got the goat mixture yet, will have to work on that today. Do you have a link to the mixture to use?

Right now... he is back out on the office floor... running around, leaping, bounding, etc. Pretty fun to watch. :D

Maybe I will turn the cam on to the floor!
http://j-tv.me/n7A8Ek

[Nancy in New York]

Your little one really needs to eat now.

Do Not give pedialyte for more than 24 hours.

The goats milk recipe is:
3 parts goat’s milk
1 part heavy whipping cream*
1 part vanilla yogurt

If he is using the syringe, feed him the GM through a syringe, going very slowly as to not aspirate him.

You can also try giving him some rodent block or getting the HHB which is only sold here. Here is the link: http://henryspets.com/ I would get the growth formula block.
You can also get Fox Valley there too, he will need the 20/50 formula.

Here is another link that will show you the acceptable foods for a squirrel. Your little one still looks small, and if he had head trauma, his teeth may not be ok, so just see if he can chew before giving him too much of a variety. Start maybe with a piece of apple with the skin off, just a small piece.
But he definitely needs nourishment of some kind.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28009

[misfit13]

Thanks for the info.

Having trouble finding goats milk. Nearest I found so far over an hour away.

Also.. update. I did see another seizure today. Just one so far. :(

[Nancy in New York]

Thanks for the info.

Having trouble finding goats milk. Nearest I found so far over an hour away.

Also.. update. I did see another seizure today. Just one so far. :(

Can you call around? I heard that some of the walmarts have it. A health food store? Not really sure what is in your area? This should be the goats milk that is for human consumption. Hopefully somebody else will come on that may know where to find it....:grouphug

[misfit13]

Update.....

Alright, after calling around a bunch... my wife and I took a little trip to a local farm that had some goats milk we could have. (interesting adventure I must say) Got back, made the mixture. Just feed him. He ate 3cc... then seemed to be more interested in playing on the floor than eating.... so we let him go out and about again for a bit.

Also, was not able to find all natural vanilla yogurt..... so we used plain.

Also, put water in the carrier, carrot, pecan, banana, and celery.... keeping an eye out to see if he eats any of it.

Last... he ran around on the floor for a bit, then found a way back into the carrier on his own. And is now in there and won't come out. Snuggled in the back. Comfort zone?

Oh yeah, how often should we feed him the goat milk formula?

[Nancy in New York]

Update.....

Alright, after calling around a bunch... my wife and I took a little trip to a local farm that had some goats milk we could have. (interesting adventure I must say) Got back, made the mixture. Just feed him. He ate 3cc... then seemed to be more interested in playing on the floor than eating.... so we let him go out and about again for a bit.

Also, was not able to find all natural vanilla yogurt..... so we used plain.

Also, put water in the carrier, carrot, pecan, banana, and celery.... keeping an eye out to see if he eats any of it.

Last... he ran around on the floor for a bit, then found a way back into the carrier on his own. And is now in there and won't come out. Snuggled in the back. Comfort zone?

Oh yeah, how often should we feed him the goat milk formula?


Feed him the goat milk formula every 4 hours and let him take as much as he wants. He is old enough where he will stop when he is full. It may be as much as 20-25 cc's per feeding. He needs his strength, so lets hope he is a great eater!:grouphug

[misfit13]

Feed him the goat milk formula every 4 hours and let him take as much as he wants. He is old enough where he will stop when he is full. It may be as much as 20-25 cc's per feeding. He needs his strength, so lets hope he is a great eater!:grouphug

Update:

He ate this morning, about 10cc of the goat milk formula until he did not want anymore. Also, watching him eat a pecan now.

He seems very twitchy this morning. Going in circles a lot. And has been making a chattering noise with its teeth quite a bit. Almost sounds like grinding.

Squirrel cam going back up:
http://j-tv.me/o7OKJI

[misfit13]

Update:

Been going in circles for HOURS now. Makes me dizzy just watching. :(

http://j-tv.me/pdzcs4

[misfit13]

Another update....

So, I took him out of the carrier. As soon as I went to he bit me (first time), I put him on the floor. He ran all over the place... does not want me to come near him or touch him.

Oh... and he is chewing on my carpet.

AND... not really any circling going on. Running straight.. left .... right... etc. So... whats going on you think? You think he wants out?

[Nancy in New York]

I really don't have knowledge in the head trauma babies. I did have one once, but he was so confined during recuperation time, and he slept a lot. I don't like the sounds of him circling, honestly, I don't see how he could make it if released. BUT when he's out he doesn't circle at all?
I sure hope somebody with experience with this comes on and can advise you.:grouphug

[misfit13]

I really don't have knowledge in the head trauma babies. I did have one once, but he was so confined during recuperation time, and he slept a lot. I don't like the sounds of him circling, honestly, I don't see how he could make it if released. BUT when he's out he doesn't circle at all?
I sure hope somebody with experience with this comes on and can advise you.:grouphug


Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, he will circle in the carrier, then when put out on the ground he won't for a while, then goes back to circling, then he will not again. Not sure what is going on to be honest.

I also thought he would have been more hungry than he is. But to be honest... he seems not to interested in eating.

And sorry for the multiple post earlier, I think I was having a small freak out after seeing how different he is being today, getting bit for the first time, etc. He was NOT happy to be around me today. The other days he was pretty good... today he bit at me a few times and just wanted to get away. Hence me wondering if he just regained some sense and now wants out and away.

Confused.
:(

[Nancy in New York]

I won't be on much longer, but perhaps/praying others will look at this and give you some guidance. :dono

[Nancy in New York]

I'm thinking that your little one should not be given the opportunity to run loose even in the garage. He should have dark, quiet, and warmth for recovery.
Perhaps when he is out, since he may be getting better, his instincts are kicking in, and he wants to get back to nature. BUT for a full recovery, if that's even possible....he should stay calm, fed and hydrated.

[misfit13]

I'm thinking that your little one should not be given the opportunity to run loose even in the garage. He should have dark, quiet, and warmth for recovery.
Perhaps when he is out, since he may be getting better, his instincts are kicking in, and he wants to get back to nature. BUT for a full recovery, if that's even possible....he should stay calm, fed and hydrated.

Thanks for the advice. I put him back in... when I went to get him he chattered at me but not to much trouble putting him back in. Will keep him in there and calm etc.

[misfit13]

Update:

I have kept him in a calm area since yesterday, and have been been feeding him the goats milk formula etc. He is also drinking water on his own from the bowl and nibbling at treats I have put in the carrier.

Have not seen any seizures today, no running in circles, and overall seems pretty spunky. Let him out of the carrier for a bit, he ran around .. explored the room, and stayed away from me as much as possible.

On that note...

Anytime I get near him he now chatters at me. He also lunges at the syringe with food and does not like to be picked up. AND... he likes to hide when possible.

I would say he seems to be doing pretty well from what I am seeing. :D

[Nancy in New York]

Update:

I have kept him in a calm area since yesterday, and have been been feeding him the goats milk formula etc. He is also drinking water on his own from the bowl and nibbling at treats I have put in the carrier.

Have not seen any seizures today, no running in circles, and overall seems pretty spunky. Let him out of the carrier for a bit, he ran around .. explored the room, and stayed away from me as much as possible.

On that note...

Anytime I get near him he now chatters at me. He also lunges at the syringe with food and does not like to be picked up. AND... he likes to hide when possible.

I would say he seems to be doing pretty well from what I am seeing. :D

Oh he sounds like he is coming right along. Good for you and for him!!!!!:D
The FV should come tomorrow, so I suspect that he will love that. Since he is eating out of a bowl, you could even put a little formula in the bowl. But remove the bowl after about 45 minutes, and discard.
You are doing so fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!:bowdown

[NovaAlison23]

YAY!!!
Great job with him. That makes me happy to hear. My babies used to jump back from the edge of the cage, yell at me, then lurch for the formula too.

[misfit13]

Hey guys, thanks so much for all the support! :)

Update:

He REALLY likes to eat. Been feeding regularly, have not seen any more seizures, is not running in circles anymore, seems like he is now trying to get out of the carrier when in their (jumps up on the sides where the holes are and the front door etc), growls at me when I come near to feed him etc, clicks his teeth a lot, goes up to the window quite a bit. Overall... looking pretty good I think! : )

Sick squirrel cam live:
http://j-tv.me/qesJcQ