green diarrhea

[Mavrycs Mommy]

Mavryc has green diarrhea again... the first time was before i did my research and was feeding him the wrong formula once i switched the formula it seemed to be heading back to normal in color but was still very runny now its green again but just soft not watery... any suggestions?! all advice is appreciated :thankyou

[NaturesGift]

he may have an intestinal infection and needs albon or Sulfatrim.

What is his diet like?

[Mavrycs Mommy]

all he eats is esbilac, thats what i was told to feed him but i noticed alot of people on here suggest fox valley... should i try that?

[Rhapsody]

all he eats is esbilac, thats what i was told to feed him but i noticed alot of people on here suggest fox valley... should i try that?100% YES!! - most of US do not use any thing else........ FOX VALLEY ONLY!!

Link:
http://www.henryspets.com/
http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp

[Mavrycs Mommy]

okay so i noticed there is two different types for squirrels which should i get? and can i continue feeding esbilac until it gets here?

[Mavrycs Mommy]

and i still dont know what to do about the poo problem... its not so often now and its getting more solid i believe... kind of sticky really but its still green! im at a loss pleas help!!!:osnap :osnap

[island rehabber]

Can you get some Sulfatrim? It also is called SMZ-TMP or Bactrim?

[Mavrycs Mommy]

no i have amoxicilin thats about it and i just fed and stimulated him and now its orangish and slightly watery does that mean its getting better or worse?

[Mavrycs Mommy]

this little guy is really driving me carzy with worry... now hes not going at all :( what am i doing wrong?!

[stepnstone]

[QUOTE=Mavrycs Mommy]all he eats is esbilac,

:poke Under "Squirrel Nutrition" please read the sticky on "THE ESBILAC ISSUE"

[Tickle's Mom]

Whee in Indiana are you located? We may have some members who can help you get meds, etc. until your FV comes in.

[gs1]

mavr ... one of our former members has sulfatrim for you if you live in northwest indiana.....

she can also help you get a fecal....

i'll pm you her phone number.....

:) :grouphug

[gs1]

i just pmd you the following....


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give her a call regardless ...she might know of someone!!!

please help us to help you ... let us know the town in indiana and we'll see if there are any other members closer ....

also for goodness sake get her off the esbilac... there's a temporary goats milk she can have until you get fox valley ....

keep using water and small amount applejuice instead of pedialyte because you've already used pedialyte for over 24 hours....

i'll post the temporary goats milk and the pedialyte and instructions for baby squirrels....

:grouphug

[gs1]

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21626

3. Rehydrate the Baby

Most babies are dehydrated when you find them and must be rehydrated before you can feed them. Never feed formula or food of any kind to a dehydrated baby!

How to Check for Dehydration
Pinch the skin on the back of his neck. If it doesn’t spring back immediately, the baby is dehydrated. If the pinched skin stays up like a tent for more than a second, the baby is badly dehydrated. Other signs of dehydration: pale grayish gums, dry mouth, sunken eyes, whites around eyes showing, rough spiky fur, dry scaly skin.
NOTE: If baby is badly dehydrated, he will need subcutaneous fluids, which can only be given by a rehabber or vet.

Supplies You Will Need: [b]
--Pedialyte (any flavor)*
--Plastic syringes (1 cc size; no needles. Ask the pharmacist to get these for you) An eyedropper can also work.
These are available at most drugstores.

[B]*If you can’t find Pedialyte at the store, here is a recipe for homemade Pedialyte:

1 tsp salt (teaspoon)
3 Tbsp sugar (tablespoon)
1 quart warm water
Mix all ingredients in warm water. Store in refrigerator.How to Prepare the Pedialyte
Use a plastic syringe (with or without a nipple). Never use pet nursers or doll bottles. They will choke the baby. Fill a coffee mug with hot water. Fill the syringe with Pedialyte and place it in the mug for a couple of minutes. Squirt a drop on the inside of your wrist to make sure the liquid isn’t too hot. It should feel barely warm on your skin.

Proper Position
A tiny baby should be held upright in your hand. A baby with fur can lie on a flat surface on his stomach. A baby that can walk can be held upright or he can drink sitting up. Hold the syringe so the tip points UP to the baby’s mouth and the handle is down. Don’t let the baby get cold. Keep him wrapped up while he eats.

How to Feed Fluids
Place the syringe tip on the baby’s lips (from the side) and squeeze out one drop for him to taste. Don’t squirt a steady stream. Let him swallow one drop before squeezing more. GO SLOW! It sometimes takes a feeding or two for them to catch on. Hairless babies are fed drop by drop. With older babies (once they catch on) you can squeeze slowly for one second, wait for him to swallow, then squeeze more.

If fluids dribble out his mouth or come out his nose, you are going too fast. Stop and tilt the baby’s head down so the fluid drains out (support his head and neck like you would a human baby). Then wipe his nose and mouth with a tissue. Start over, slower. NOTE: There is now a chance your baby will develop aspiration pneumonia from inhaling fluid in his lungs. This is fatal. Please contact a rehabber or vet, or the people at The Squirrel Board, for assistance.

[gs1]

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29903


Do NOT USE ESBILAC! **TEMPORARY Goat's Milk Formula***

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***While waiting for the Fox Valley to arrive...

Temporary Formula for Infant Squirrels – The Goat’s Milk Formula

Because of recent manufacturing issues, Esbilac and other puppy formulas are no longer being recommended for squirrels or other wildlife. The formula that TSB recommends, Fox Valley Day One, is currently available online at www.foxvalleynutrition.com and www.henryspets.com. But those require shipping and this baby squirrel needs food NOW.

One of our senior members who posts as Jackie in Tampa uses an excellent temporary substitute, and it can be assembled from locally purchased ingredients:

3 parts goat’s milk
1 part heavy whipping cream*
1 part vanilla yogurt

Formula will last 48 hours in refrigerator.

Goat’s Milk
This can be purchased at natural food stores such as Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods, and at most health food stores that sell groceries. It is a product for humans. Do not substitute commercial formula made for baby goats or other livestock sold at feed stores.

Goat’s milk is available fresh in a carton; evaporated in a can; and as a powdered milk. If you purchase either the evaporated or powdered versions, please blend them with water according to the package directions before using to make the formula.

Heavy Whipping Cream
This is found in small cartons in the grocery store near the coffee creamers and half and half. Regular heavy cream may be substituted if it is unavailable, but the heavy whipping cream has the highest fat content, and is preferred.

Yogurt
Yogurt has beneficial bacteria in it that soothes and settles digestion. Full fat yogurt is best, and a good choice that is very widely available is Stoneyfield Yobaby yogurt. However if it is unavailable, a low fat vanilla yogurt may be substituted. Avoid those that have artificial sweeteners in them. Vanilla and banana are both popular flavors, and the sweet taste of the yogurt helps to convince the baby to accept it.

It has been recently discovered that very small pinky squirrels may do better digestively if, instead of being given Fox Valley formula straight, mix the Fox Valley 50/50 with the Goat’s Milk Formula assembled WITHOUT the heavy whipping cream.

*It is recommended that when just starting to feed a new baby that the first feedings be made without the heavy whipping cream. This will give their digestive systems a chance to acclimate from mama’s milk to our substitute without the harder-to-digest whipping cream. Once they accept the formula and are eliminating properly, the whipping cream can be gradually added in.

When your Fox Valley formula arrives, please transition your babies to the new formula slowly, by blending the Goat’s Milk Formula with the blended and liquefied Fox Valley formula, increasing the ratio of Fox Valley with each feeding until you are no longer using the goat’s milk.
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Island Rehabber
NY State Licensed
Wildlife Rehabilitator

[Mavrycs Mommy]

yeah im ordering the fv tonight and ive already been using a one cc syringe i think hes got it down hes eating very well as a matter of fact im not sure if hes a squirrel or a pig :crazy

im located in terre haute In
and thank you all for your help...

[CritterMom]

Have you quit feeding him Esbilac yet? If not, I BEG you to do so. The FV will be many days and they cannot continue like this. Please, get the ingredients to the goats milk recipe and get the poor baby off esbilac.

A couple offers of help were made further upthread- including meds. Did you see those?

[Mavrycs Mommy]

i'll go to the store and get the stuff so he can have it next feeding
and i contacted Kathie and she will send me the meds if i need them but as of now his poo is starting to normal out since giving him yogurt.... i really am thankful for all of the help you guys are great!!!

and if someone would like to take a look at the pics i took yesterday and just let me know if you think he looks okay id appreciate it (link is sig)

[Mavrycs Mommy]

pretty please? lol

[gs1]

so he's gained 2 grams since yesterday and he's at 89 grams now at 4 weeks?

yes...he looks thin to me too but it's not surprizing considering all he's been through.....

fox valley makes an ultra boost which is excellent for them gaining weight ..i'm sorry no one (me :hidechair) mentioned it to you before you placed your order....

all in all he doesn't look too bad to me but i'm not a rehabber....

by the way ...i'm assuming these are the pictures you wanted us to see?

ps: to post your own pictures ...save them to desktop...resize them to medium on desktop....open a new reply to post...use...manage attachments(halfway down the page) and then use browse ...to find them on your desktop....:thumbsup

[gs1]

is the esbilac getting there today?

if so you might be ok without using the goats milk formula...if!!!it's getting there today.....

you might also be ok without using the ultraboost... cause if his stomach gets better you can add a heavy whipping cream ... (mrs skul has the recipe for it) ... but this will be in the next couple of days...not now... not with diarrhea....

the homemade "pedialyte" (made with a tiny amount of applejuice) can be given between meals because if they've had diarrhea they're going to be dehydrated and dehydrated means they can't digest...

so no matter what the water between meals is very good for them....

he's gained in 2 days....

how long have you been feeding esbilac? ...i'm assuming weeks? but then you mentioned another formula you were using before ...so i'm confused....

if the esbilac has only been 2 days and the diarrhea was from before and he's gained on the esbilac then i'm not as panicked about it as i was.....

i don't like esbilac but i also don't like changing formulas for one day either...

:)


EDIT: these photos are the smaller versions of the previous page could someone please comment on those and see if he looks good or not?????:tilt

[Mavrycs Mommy]

thanks i wasnt sure how to do that lol and those pics were taken yesterday when he was 89 grams now hes 91 so hes gaining slowly...

[Mavrycs Mommy]

ive had him 10 days and fed hartz puppy milk the first three until i called dobbs park and the told me the esbilac so hes been eating it ever since and diarrheas gone now i mentioned above that hes actually having trouble pooing again :( but i talked to kathie again and i think we have a game plan!

[gs1]

glad to hear he's doing better... hydration is the key to both constipation and diarrhea....

he's probably evening out his system....

i'd still be giving water between feedings.... either with a tiny amount of applejuice or without .... (they like the applejuice)

i'll see if i can find something for constipation....

[gs1]

in older squirrels we can use canned pumpkin pie (not the filling!!!) and also watermelon and watermelon juice... but i don't know what to suggest for such a young squirrel....

i know you're talking to kathy so maybe she can suggest something....:thumbsup

or maybe another rehabber can suggest too....:thumbsup

[Mavrycs Mommy]

yea she suggested prune juice and it did the trick =] we have orange pellets!!! :wahoo theyre still mushy but im most def not complaining!!! i LOVE Kathie shes great and always seems to know just what to do, i was going to call her this morning to see what to do about the no poo situation and she beat me to it!!! shes a really really good person and im glad i got her help!! im thankful for everyones help but i love her lol :bowdown

[momma2boo]

i LOVE Kathie shes great and always seems to know just what to do, i was going to call her this morning to see what to do about the no poo situation and she beat me to it!!! shes a really really good person and im glad i got her help!! im thankful for everyones help but i love her lol :bowdown


:thumbsup She'll bend over backward to help you help your squirrel.

[Mavrycs Mommy]

she really has!!! shes so nice and we've kept in contact via facebook and email lol so shes like mavrycs squirlly god mom lol

[momma2boo]

she really has!!! shes so nice and we've kept in contact via facebook and email lol so shes like mavrycs squirlly god mom lol

:thumbsup