I Need Help, Bandit is Hurt!

[Milo's Mom]

Not quite life threatening at this moment, but I need help now.

I found Bandit on the deck this morning dragging his back right leg & paw. I caught him and he is currently in the release cage. Taking water and RR out to him right now.

No external injuries seen. He can move his leg and paw but he is not putting any weight on it. When he sits on his haunches it looks as if his hip is dislocated. It "thigh/hip" is much lower on that side and it sort of sticks out more than the other. He is also playing with it...like why the heck wont my leg work?.

He is thin, but he does not look dehydrated. In addition to water, I am taking him some grapes and avocado.

I fear x-rays will be needed. I am home today and can take him to where ever he needs to go.

I'll be right back and I'll try to get some pics of what I am seeing.

[Jackie in Tampa]

what can we do to help:grouphug

[island rehabber]

betz, take him in so he can get R&R without stressing that hip/leg further. I had this happen twice with squirrels that were still in the cage, roughhousing, and although I did bring them for X-rays it proved to be a bad sprain in both cases. If he can move the paw and feel you pinching it, the leg is most lkely not broken (correct me if I'm wrong, folks!) . He may simply need to rest it.....hoping!!

[Milo's Mom]

Take him in? In the house, and into a small cage to restrict his amount of movement?

[Milo's Mom]

Here are the pics...hard to see what I am talking about. Camera had condensation due to temps.
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[Milo's Mom]

If he can move the paw and feel you pinching it, the leg is most lkely not broken (correct me if I'm wrong, folks!) . He may simply need to rest it.....hoping!!

He was trying to get away after I grabbed him and he was all claws and teeth (I am proud of him for this), BUT I was concentrating on calming him and keeping him in my hands while the BF ran for a towel. I did not get a chance to pinch his paw. sh!t, I did look at it and I should have touched it. GRRRRR!

His toes are curled under when he tries to walk. Forgot the RR last time out. Need to get it to him now.

I'll BRB...

Thank you guys!!!:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

I agree with everything posted above. When Fluffer's front leg was broken, I used drops of the head trauma medication from Chris's squirrel store to keep him calm. The Rescue Remedy did absolutely nothing. The head trauma med. has alcohol in it, Fluffer slept like a baby after the splint was put on....:D
I just checked on Chris's site, they no longer offer that...Hmmmmm. If you need any, I can ship some out to you, just let me know.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I agree...in a small cage, inside house..with hidee:grouphug
Metacam is what I would do and watch him...
if he needs more help, you'll know in a few hours...

feed him lots so he will rest {full belly=nap}
...a rice buddy if he wants one...{ I am a wee bit extreme sometimes, but I would put a Heating pad half under.....}
keep him hydrated { I know you will} all injuries weep, even sprains..
poor little Bandit Boy...:Love_Icon
I know MM, they're going to give us grey hair...:shakehead
{he knew where to go ...momma}

[momma2boo]

I agree...in a small cage, inside house..with hidee:grouphug
Metacam is what I would do and watch him...
if he needs more help, you'll know in a few hours...

feed him lots so he will rest {full belly=nap}
...a rice buddy if he wants one...{ I am a wee bit extreme sometimes, but I would put a Heating pad half under.....}
keep him hydrated { I know you will} all injuries weep, even sprains..
poor little Bandit Boy...:Love_Icon
I know MM, they're going to give us grey hair...:shakehead
{he knew where to go ...momma}

Not extreme ... heat feels good when injured. It soothes.

[stosh2010]

Prayers for BANDIT---
Hope it's just a sprain..and a mild one--at that.

[Pierre]

Poor Bandit.

He should still have feeling in his toes if you pinch him even if something is broken. Only if his nerves were severed or damaged [ or sig swelling & inflammation] would he lose feeling. Since he can move everything his nerves appear ok.

Poor baby. It could still be broken or dislocated. :shakehead An anti-inflammatory pain killer might be good?

:grouphug

Nancy--- So Fluffer got the equivalent of a little whiskey on his bottle?? :D

[Milo's Mom]

I just laced almonds and more avocado with RR and he is eating it. He does not want grapes, he also ate 2 HHB's. Oh, it's NOT Bandit, it's my little Cody boy. Had to see his peepee to make sure. It's Cody, I am positive.

Took a video of him as pics were not getting it. Downloading now.

Need to re-assemble the indoor cage then I will try to get him in it and into the house.

I do not have Metacam...the other meds I have are:

Vet Meds:
Tramadol 50mg - expired 3/31/11 - dosing instr. are 1 to 1.5 tablets twice daily if and as needed for pain...may caus drowsiness (analgesic). I have 3 tablets.

Baytril liquid 22.7 mg/ml - expires 4/2014 - no instructions but I have dosing chart.

Human meds:
Oxaprozin 600mg (generic for Daypro) - expired 10/17/09 (I still take them) - dosing instr are: 2 talbets by mouth every day

Hydrocodone-APAP 5-500 (generic for Vicodin) - expired 10/17/09 (I still take these too) - dosing instr are: 1 talbet by mouth every 4 - 6 hours as needed for pain.

[momma2boo]

I just laced almonds and more avocado with RR and he is eating it. He does not want grapes, he also ate 2 HHB's. Oh, it's NOT Bandit, it's my little Cody boy. Had to see his peepee to make sure. It's Cody, I am positive.

Took a video of him as pics were not getting it. Downloading now.

Need to re-assemble the indoor cage then I will try to get him in it and into the house.

I do not have Metacam...the other meds I have are:

Vet Meds:
Tramadol 50mg - expired 3/31/11 - dosing instr. are 1 to 1.5 tablets twice daily if and as needed for pain...may caus drowsiness (analgesic). I have 3 tablets.

Baytril liquid 22.7 mg/ml - expires 4/2014 - no instructions but I have dosing chart.

Human meds:
Oxaprozin 600mg (generic for Daypro) - expired 10/17/09 (I still take them) - dosing instr are: 2 talbets by mouth every day

Hydrocodone-APAP 5-500 (generic for Vicodin) - expired 10/17/09 (I still take these too) - dosing instr are: 1 talbet by mouth every 4 - 6 hours as needed for pain.

You can give them infant motrin. :thumbsup Ask IR for dosing on it.

[Jackie in Tampa]

tramadol...pain pills are not so bad expired..
and only a couple months.:peace
that's what i would use:thumbsup
i have never used motrin, but i think it also has anti inflammatory properties, that may not be a bad option.
i cannot help with dosing that, but i can the tramadol. i use tramadol for sqs here every week...i like it.

[JakesLittlePrincess]

:grouphug Poor Cody Boy! Hope everything is ok!

[Milo's Mom]

here is the video of Cody
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/princessellie127/th_VID00026-20110808-0902.jpg (http://s1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/princessellie127/?action=view&current=VID00026-20110808-0902.mp4)

[Jackie in Tampa]

i would let him rest... i know they cannot wrap that area of a leg..
i would not take to vet...
he looks tippy, but not totally incapable.
as he stood to get food from bowl, he had weight on that leg...
rest for a few days...he may be better outside in release cage...:thumbsup
poor guy...

[momma2boo]

Yeah, he is holding that leg up close to his body when he walks. Rest with good nutrition, pain management, and anti-inflamatants should do it. Even if the femur is broken there is nothing they can do for it. Can't splint it. They will charge you for an office visit and the xrays and tell you to keep him as still as you can.

Good luck with that sweet baby boy.

[Milo's Mom]

He is resting in the nest box, which is still in the release cage. Thank goodness the BF accomplished nothing on the HoneyDo List when I was at my sisters over the weekend!

So, shall I leave him in the release cage, which is big and he can climb and run and jump, etc. or shall I get him into the smaller indoor cage and bring him in the house, so I can offer heat and there are no "things" for him to worry about...hawks, fox, squirrels, bluejays, etc. He is safe in the release cage, I just fear that he has too much room to move and if there is something that spooks him he can hurt himself more.

Also, shall I give him meds now or wait a little? He's sort of loopy from the RR...I really laid it on heavy when I laced the almonds and avocado.

Bring In or Leave Out?
Meds now or Not?

Also, this is not life threatening, was unsure at first, if Admin could move to Non-Life Threatening...leaving space/room/attention for the real emergencies. New release mom freak out episode...sorry. Thank you VERY VERY much!!

[4skwerlz]

Poor Cody! Poor you!:grouphug

He's able to put the leg under him in almost a normal position, he can use it a little, plus, with a bad break there will be visible swelling. I say not broken, most likely sprained.:) :grouphug

[CritterMom]

0.10cc liquid INFANT motrin every 4 hours as needed for a little dude that size.:thumbsup

[SammysMom]

Oh MM isn't it great to have the experts to run to? Prayers to Cody and to his fabulous squammy!:grouphug
P.S. I had a wild who's leg looked similar, but much worse and I was sure she was a goner. Well I was totally wrong. It took a couple of weeks, but she is right back in the begging crowd.

[Milo's Mom]

0.10cc liquid INFANT motrin every 4 hours as needed for a little dude that size.:thumbsup

Infant Motrin versus Tramadol?

[momma2boo]

He is resting in the nest box, which is still in the release cage. Thank goodness the BF accomplished nothing on the HoneyDo List when I was at my sisters over the weekend!

So, shall I leave him in the release cage, which is big and he can climb and run and jump, etc. or shall I get him into the smaller indoor cage and bring him in the house, so I can offer heat and there are no "things" for him to worry about...hawks, fox, squirrels, bluejays, etc. He is safe in the release cage, I just fear that he has too much room to move and if there is something that spooks him he can hurt himself more.

Also, shall I give him meds now or wait a little? He's sort of loopy from the RR...I really laid it on heavy when I laced the almonds and avocado.

Bring In or Leave Out?
Meds now or Not?

Also, this is not life threatening, was unsure at first, if Admin could move to Non-Life Threatening...leaving space/room/attention for the real emergencies. New release mom freak out episode...sorry. Thank you VERY VERY much!!

I would bring in and I would give meds now. Pain management is important part to healing and keeping stress levels down. Give the infant motrin now and wait a tiny bit on the pain meds since the RR has alcohol in it. Once the alcohol wears off administer the pain meds.

I would limit his ability to run and climb and jump until that leg heals.
Call Anne!

[Milo's Mom]

Oh MM isn't it great to have the experts to run to? Prayers to Cody and to his fabulous squammy!:grouphug
P.S. I had a wild who's leg looked similar, but much worse and I was sure she was a goner. Well I was totally wrong. It took a couple of weeks, but she is right back in the begging crowd.

I am SO thankful that I could run to the experts and they responded SO fast.
:grouphug :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :grouphug

I was near cardiac arrest. One of my baby's hurt...OMG I was near tears, but I knew I could not...he'd sense it, had to be strong and just like Mommy and say things that Mommy says when she is happy.

[momma2boo]

I am SO thankful that I could run to the experts and they responded SO fast.
:grouphug :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :grouphug

I was near cardiac arrest. One of my baby's hurt...OMG I was near tears, but I knew I could not...he'd sense it, had to be strong and just like Mommy and say things that Mommy says when she is happy.

Next time (and there will be plenty more of these times) dose yourself with the RR first ... then the squirrel. Crittermom gave me this advice back when Boo was sick. It was GREAT advice. I was able to stay calm while handling a stressful situation. :thumbsup

[island rehabber]

I agree with everyone above that it is most lkely a sprain, or even a dislocation (my Percival had that). The vet said first of all you can't splint a dislocated hip (as Jackie said) and second of all, at their young age they heal VERY quickly. To those folks urging MM to see a vet, she is in a very very UN-squirrel-friendly place and that would be very difficult.

[pappy1264]

I would use the tramadol, which may make him a bit sleepy, but for this, that is a good thing! I would also bring him in, although he may be stressed at first, he will calm down, and less to stimulate him inside, and you can keep a better eye on him too. Have seen this many times, rest, a bit of pain meds, more rest and lots of yummies and they are usually good to go! Sending healing thoughts and prayers!

[Milo's Mom]

Okie Dokie - it looks like the majority of thoughts/advice is to bring him in the house, place in small indoor cage, and give tramadol (after the RR wears off, due to alcohol content).

I have re-assembled the indoor cage and I just need to hose it down to make sure there are no "yuckies" in or on it and dry it off, then I will place it in the release cage and hope he goes in...I'll place yummies in there as a bribe.

I will also stock it with lots of comfy stuff and one of Ellie's play tents since I do not have a nest box to put in it.

I will try to get a weight on him, but I have a feeling this will prove difficult...but I will try so the tramadol can be dosed appropriately. I am fresh out of yogurt, will he need some for his belly with the tramadol? I am thinking not as it is a pain killer versus an AB...is this a correct thought?

If I need to run out for yogurt, I will also get some Infant Motrin (just in case & also for future). Leave me know if I need the yogurt.

Gabby & Bandit have been hanging on the outside of the release cage like they want in so they can be with him...their lil' bro is hurt and they want to comfort him. :Love_Icon

[island rehabber]

Gabby & Bandit have been hanging on the outside of the release cage like they want in so they can be with him...their lil' bro is hurt and they want to comfort him. :Love_Icon

This is so true. When Percival returned to the big cage with his four sibs, they crowded around him. They groomed him, especially his bad hip and leg, and basically did a "laying on of hands"....the BF and I watched, teary-eyed. :tilt

[momma2boo]

I am fresh out of yogurt, will he need some for his belly with the tramadol? I am thinking not as it is a pain killer versus an AB...is this a correct thought?

If I need to run out for yogurt, I will also get some Infant Motrin (just in case & also for future). Leave me know if I need the yogurt.
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Do you have Multidophilus? If so you can use that instead of the yogurt. Just be sure to use the one that has the live cultures in it (you can find it in the refrigerated section of your health food store). The only reason I would add that to his diet is if you put him on ABs. He is a wild and shouldn't need it otherwise. I mean, it won't hurt him but he doesn't need it.

[Milo's Mom]

This is so true. When Percival returned to the big cage with his four sibs, they crowded around him. They groomed him, especially his bad hip and leg, and basically did a "laying on of hands"....the BF and I watched, teary-eyed. :tilt

Awww, they do really love and know each other!!:Love_Icon


Do you have Multidophilus? If so you can use that instead of the yogurt. Just be sure to use the one that has the live cultures in it (you can find it in the refrigerated section of your health food store). The only reason I would add that to his diet is if you put him on ABs. He is a wild and shouldn't need it otherwise. I mean, it won't hurt him but he doesn't need it.

I do not have the Multidophilus. If for some reason he goes on AB's I will get some, but I use yogurt with Ellie as a treat after clipping her teeth, so I normally have it in the house and I do need to get some because her teeth need to be trimmed again. Also, Cody likes yogurt...blueberry is his favorite.

[Milo's Mom]

To those folks urging MM to see a vet, she is in a very very UN-squirrel-friendly place and that would be very difficult.

Yes, this is VERY VERY true. But, I have talked to my vet about him working with me if and when I am able to get my license and he said he'd be happy to do so. So, there may be a slight chance if I REALLY need him, he'll "make" it happen. For the thousands and thousands of dollars I spend at his office and being a client for nearly 20 years...I'd only hope he'd help me...but I want to save this for a dire emergency, and this is not one of those times...at least not right now.

[Jackie in Tampa]

no need for yogurt/probotic...with tramadol
just food!:thumbsup
he will get sleepy /drowsy with the tramadol, can give as needed 4-6 times a day..i find three doses keeps them calm for a day or two. very few side effects.
i have no motrin experience.

[Milo's Mom]

Cody and I are IN the house.

Next is to try to get a weight on him...I am going to try, but I do not want to totally freak him out, so if he is showing signs of stress, I'm going to stop.

[momma2boo]

Cody and I are IN the house.

Next is to try to get a weight on him...I am going to try, but I do not want to totally freak him out, so if he is showing signs of stress, I'm going to stop.

Do you have a small critter carrier that you can put him in? If so, zero your scale out and then put him on it in the carrier. If your scale doesn't zero out then weigh the empty carrier first then weigh it with him in it. Also, I find that if I wait for them to go to sleep in their cube that I can pick the entire thing up and place it in a container to weigh them. They barely know what's going on. Then all I need to do is get a weight on the cube/tent and subtract that.

Good luck, Girl! You're right, if you see signs of stress let him be.

[Milo's Mom]

Do you have a small critter carrier that you can put him in? If so, zero your scale out and then put him on it in the carrier. If your scale doesn't zero out then weigh the empty carrier first then weigh it with him in it. Also, I find that if I wait for them to go to sleep in their cube that I can pick the entire thing up and place it in a container to weigh them. They barely know what's going on. Then all I need to do is get a weight on the cube/tent and subtract that.

Good luck, Girl! You're right, if you see signs of stress let him be.


Yup, that's how I weigh Ellie and that is also how I weighed them right before they were totally weened.

[Milo's Mom]

Cody weighs 462 grams.

Would he get slightly less than 0.2ml of Tramadol, after it is diluted in 10ml of sterile water?

EDIT: I am assuming this is given orally also, right?

[Kelly Brady]

I am so sorry to hear Cody has an injury. It happens and I am always so grateful they know where home is.

My Iggy returned with a broken back foot. I scooped her up and brought her inside in a small cage easy to get around in. One corner to pee in and eat in the other corner and a bed. I gave her Metacam around the clock for two or three days and she was good as new in 10 days.
I kept her inside for about two and a half weeks total and then out she went again. She really appreciated the love and care, I could just tell. She is still such a sweet visitor on a regular basis, and ran in my back door last week for a run around the house before asking to go back out. I loved it:D

Enjoy some good lovins on your Cody while he is in your hospital.:grouphug

[UDoWhat]

Sorry MM didn't see this. Tramadol is good but it is only pain relief not an anti-inflammatory . Motrin is both an analgesic and an anti-inflammatory. You may just want pain relief for now but the Motrin will provide both pain relief and reduce swelling. Does anyone know if they can be used together?? I don't know ... whatever you think for now, since he is in pain. I also have Metacam. We are less than 2 hours away from each other. I can get what ever drug you need. I do think you have this under control with all great advice and quick actions. Sounds like your Vet will see you too. Let me know if you need help.

Marty

Yes, to oral administration
Yes, to dose of just under 0.2 ml EDIT Actual does is 0.18 so yes just under 0.2

[Milo's Mom]

I am so sorry to hear Cody has an injury. It happens and I am always so grateful they know where home is.

My Iggy returned with a broken back foot. I scooped her up and brought her inside in a small cage easy to get around in. One corner to pee in and eat in the other corner and a bed. I gave her Metacam around the clock for two or three days and she was good as new in 10 days.
I kept her inside for about two and a half weeks total and then out she went again. She really appreciated the love and care, I could just tell. She is still such a sweet visitor on a regular basis, and ran in my back door last week for a run around the house before asking to go back out. I loved it:D

Enjoy some good lovins on your Cody while he is in your hospital.:grouphug

I am thrilled beyond words that he knew where Mom was and he made it back. I haven't seen him in a week or so and I was getting concerned...but he is a boy and boys will be boys so I was not pacing the yard yet.
So this morning when I saw him I just assumed it was Bandit as Bandit is usually on the deck in the morning looking for nuts. Then the BF said it looks like Zoey is hurt and I immediately dropped what I was doing and went outside with a nut in my hand. He did not move from the chair he was on. I handed him the nut and grabbed him. By looking at his tail, I knew it was not Zoey and during the grabbing and wrapping in a towel process I saw a peepee, so I knew it was a boy...again assuming Bandit. Only when I got him into the release cage and posted on TSB and went out to take video did I realize it was Cody. He is such a little sweetheart and has always been a little lover. He is resting in the house in the AC and the only thing he has to do is rest and recover...Mom will take care of the rest. I'll even go catch some of those horribly awful locusts for him to munch on during his R&R.

[Milo's Mom]

My little Cody boy had his first dose of Tramadol mixed with some super yummy maple syrup at 3pm. He left me pull him out of the cage like I did when he was a baby and I got to inspect his toes, foot, pads, leg, hip, etc. and of course I gave him a couple belly rubs (his favorite). Everything looked fine except for the outer most part of the curve of his hind leg (the part that faces front towards his shoulder). For lack of a better explanation I am calling it his knee. In comparison to his other hind leg it look slightly swollen. He responds to me touching his toes, feet, pads, & leg. I did not feel anything that was obviously broken. The BF is picking up Infant Motrin on his way home (2 minutes from now).
He has left me love on him and I told him how proud I was of him knowing to come home to Mommy. He is now sleeping very comfortably on top of the one play tent I hung in the cage. I will wake him when the BF gets home to give him the Motrin and he'll get his next dose of Tramadol at 9pm. I filled his bowl with all of his favorite yummies and of course his all time favorite...HHB's, he's got his water bottle and I also pulled out the blankie that The Fuzzy Five LOVED when they were little. The bottom of the cage has many layers of soft blankies with the favorite on top just in case he should fall (I doubt he will, but just in case).
The dog has been locked away so he will not be stressed by seeing her. If I need to leave the house, Cody will be moved from the dining room to the kitchen and the doors will be closed...I cannot keep the dog locked away in a single room for more than a day or so or she may get mad and start chewing. Cody will not be exposed to her during his time of R&R whether it be days or weeks or even months. He has a healthy fear of dogs and I will not jeopardize that.
I believe that this situation is under control and is no longer even remotely an emergency (not that it ever really was...I just freaked).:shakehead If Admin could move the thread I'd really appreciate it.
I will keep the updates coming.
Most importantly, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO EVERYONE for your responses, advice, healing thoughts, experiences, recommendations...EVERYTHING! I am extremely fortunate to know and be part of such an awesome group of people who are willing to help in any way possible whenever it is needed (even if it's more of a case of me freaking out). THANK YOU :bowdown :Love_Icon :grouphug

[CritterMom]

Make sure that tramadol and ibuprophen are okay together. The tramadol should be taking care of the pain so the motrin may not be needed.

[Milo's Mom]

Make sure that tramadol and ibuprophen are okay together. The tramadol should be taking care of the pain so the motrin may not be needed.

The Tramadol can be given in conjunction with ibuprophen, but NOT with acetaminophin according to Wild Mammal Babies. He does have a bit of swelling, which is why I was going to give him the motrin since it has anti-inflammatory properties.
Are you thinking this may not be a good idea? Have I missed something or read something wrong? I will not give him the motrin until I hear back from you guys and have your blessing to do so. Please leave me know.

[CritterMom]

Nope - I just wanted to be sure - if you have it in WMB it should be good to go.

Make sure he is going to be restrained in a small cage where he cannot have lots of free movement - if he is gonna stay in a big cage I would not get rid of all of his pain, as it will prevent him from injuring it further. Pain is a good movement limiter! If you get rid of it he can't be in a position where he could jump and further hurt his leg.:thumbsup

I have missed a lot on this thread so if you answered all of this already, just ignore my blah, blah, blah!

[island rehabber]

Right -- I wouldn't do both if it were up to me.
MM, you are a great squammy and I'm hoping little Cody boy is up & running soon!

[Milo's Mom]

I have him in the Henry's Cage that I bought from Leigh. With lots of fleece and blankies on the bottom as cushioning. Is this cage too big?

The Tramadol knocked the little dude out...he's been sound asleep for hours.

Should I wake him to give him the Motrin now or should I give him the Motrin INSTEAD of the Tramadol at 9pm? How critical is it to reduce the swelling with meds? If he is not using it, because the Tramadol knocked him out, will the swelling (and it really is just a little bit) go away on its own?

[island rehabber]

you can switch to motrin if you like but don't give him both. :peace

[CritterMom]

Tramadol is basically like the opiate pain killers (morphine, codiene, etc.) - it is a powerful analgesic (pain killer) but has no anti-inflammatory properties. Ibuprophen is a mild analgesic and has anti-inflammatory properties. So if I was concerned about inflammation from injury I would tend toward the motrin unless the animal was in terrible pain.

[Milo's Mom]

I will keep him on the Tramadol for through the day tomorrow, then if the swelling is still present, after limited use today and tomorrow, I will switch him to Motrin for the swelling. Sound okay?

[UDoWhat]

I will keep him on the Tramadol for through the day tomorrow, then if the swelling is still present, after limited use today and tomorrow, I will switch him to Motrin for the swelling. Sound okay?

MM, I just found this on a rat site I often use.

•Tramadol can be used separately or in combination with steroidal or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs where deemed appropriate by the veterinarian.
•Oral dosing can be given with or without food; however, tramadol has a mildly bitter taste and mixing with something flavored will make it more palatable to the rat.

In other words it can be used with Motrin.(Ibuprophen) To be really cautious, you may want to stick with your "switch tomorrow" plan. But it can be used together. Other info anyone???:dono

Marty

[pappy1264]

MM, that is what I would do. Sleep is good right now, and with limited use, the swelling very well could go down on its own (and being sleepy, he won't be bouncing around, like he may with the motrin, since it won't make him sleepy.) Its so great he knew to come home and that he trusts you and that you are helping him. How sweet his sibs are trying to be there for him. You did a great job with these guys......Cody will be fine, just needs some R&R, good food and lovins'!

[Milo's Mom]

MM, I just found this on a rat site I often use.

•Tramadol can be used separately or in combination with steroidal or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs where deemed appropriate by the veterinarian.
•Oral dosing can be given with or without food; however, tramadol has a mildly bitter taste and mixing with something flavored will make it more palatable to the rat.

In other words it can be used with Motrin.(Ibuprophen) To be really cautious, you may want to stick with your "switch tomorrow" plan. But it can be used together. Other info anyone???:dono

Marty

Thanks Marty! I thought that's what I was reading in WMB, but I wanted to make sure, which is why I asked. I am going to stick to my plan of keeping him on the Tramadol through tomorrow and then on Wednesday morning I will change to the Motrin, unless he/his actions are telling me he needs the stronger pain meds. He woke up about 30 minutes ago and groomed himself while laying down. He is relaxed and that is good. He's comfortable and I think he's enjoying the undivided attention from Mommy too!! :wahoo

[Milo's Mom]

MM, that is what I would do. Sleep is good right now, and with limited use, the swelling very well could go down on its own (and being sleepy, he won't be bouncing around, like he may with the motrin, since it won't make him sleepy.) Its so great he knew to come home and that he trusts you and that you are helping him. How sweet his sibs are trying to be there for him. You did a great job with these guys......Cody will be fine, just needs some R&R, good food and lovins'!

You have all always said that if they need Mom they know where she is, and I did believe you, but I honestly wondered if it would every really happen. But man, I have not seen Cody since before Ellie's Party and then this morning, bang there he was, hurt and waiting for Mommy out on the arm of the Adirondack chair. I have no idea what happened or when it happened, but he was VERY hungry so I am thinking that it may have happened a day or so ago, maybe? I am thankful that I am not working and was home so I could spend the day helping him and getting him set up for R&R. He is as sweet as ever and seems to know that I am helping him and not just keeping him in a cage again. He's calm and lovey...the meds are probably helping that though. He had a rough morning and was the perfect patient...I could not have asked for a better one. My Little Cody Boy:Love_Icon
It was so sweet that they were trying to get into the cage and touching noses through the hardware cloth. I tried very hard with these guys and it is so rewarding to hear that you all think I did a good job!! Thank you. It's also nice to see that they appreciate it and know to come back for help.

[JLM27]

Looks swollen in the pictures. Is that an illusion?

[Milo's Mom]

No, it's not an illusion. After I got him in the house and had good light and he was calmer, I was able to go over him with a fine tooth comb. It is swollen. Not a lot, but there is swelling. He just got done eating dinner and in about 20 minutes he gets his next dose of pain killer. He's so calm and I am so thrilled that he is not freaking out about being in a cage again. He's such a good boy.

[Nancy in New York]

So glad these little ones know where to go when they are hurt....:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Milo's Mom]

So glad these little ones know where to go when they are hurt....:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Tell me about it!! The BF and I were just talking about how awful it would be if he was outside in the horrible storm we are having hurt, hungry, tired and trying to get home to Mommy. I am so glad he got home this morning. He slurped down his second dose of meds like a little champ and I showed him the secret entrance to the fuzzy tent he was sleeping on top of. He is again sound asleep with just the tip of his nose poking out.
I also talked with Ellie and asked her if I could borrow one of her cage liners and also her big brown fleece blanket so I could wrap his cage to keep the coolness from the AC from blowing on him and also to create a darker more soothing environment. She was happy to share and she even offered one of her stuffies.:Love_Icon

[4skwerlz]

Sounds like Cody is doing pretty well. You'll know more in the morning.
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

Tell me about it!! The BF and I were just talking about how awful it would be if he was outside in the horrible storm we are having hurt, hungry, tired and trying to get home to Mommy. I am so glad he got home this morning. He slurped down his second dose of meds like a little champ and I showed him the secret entrance to the fuzzy tent he was sleeping on top of. He is again sound asleep with just the tip of his nose poking out.
I also talked with Ellie and asked her if I could borrow one of her cage liners and also her big brown fleece blanket so I could wrap his cage to keep the coolness from the AC from blowing on him and also to create a darker more soothing environment. She was happy to share and she even offered one of her stuffies.:Love_Icon


Well that's our princess for ya! She has always been such a giver....:)
I'm so thrilled that little Bandit is calm and sleeping, the best thing for his little leg....rest. Poor little peanut, I sure am hoping for a great outcome, hopefully this is all he needs....rest, relaxation, and some mama kisses...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Milo's Mom]

Well that's our princess for ya! She has always been such a giver....:)
I'm so thrilled that little Bandit is calm and sleeping, the best thing for his little leg....rest. Poor little peanut, I sure am hoping for a great outcome, hopefully this is all he needs....rest, relaxation, and some mama kisses...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Ellie is a Princess, but she is also a sweetheart and a little lover, I knew she would not mind...:D
When I was checking his leg this evening and giving him some belly rubs, he lifted his nose towards my face just like he used to when he was a baby so I could give him kisses, so I very slowly leaned in and gave him a kiss on his nose (I could not resist). Then he did it again so I did too...this went on 3 more times. I did not know the BF was standing there watching, and when Cody and I were done kissing and I put him back in the cage, the BF said, he actually wanted you to kiss him, he kept lifting his head like that and looking at you. He was amazed. :Love_Icon :D

[Nancy in New York]

Ellie is a Princess, but she is also a sweetheart and a little lover, I knew she would not mind...:D
When I was checking his leg this evening and giving him some belly rubs, he lifted his nose towards my face just like he used to when he was a baby so I could give him kisses, so I very slowly leaned in and gave him a kiss on his nose (I could not resist). Then he did it again so I did too...this went on 3 more times. I did not know the BF was standing there watching, and when Cody and I were done kissing and I put him back in the cage, the BF said, he actually wanted you to kiss him, he kept lifting his head like that and looking at you. He was amazed. :Love_Icon :D

OMG, isn't that something? I'm telling you, being loved by a squirrel is the best thing EVER!!!!!! I bet you hated to put him back in the cage....:)

[Milo's Mom]

OMG, isn't that something? I'm telling you, being loved by a squirrel is the best thing EVER!!!!!! I bet you hated to put him back in the cage....:)

It was tough. He's gonna be here for a little, so I'll have plenty of time to give him LOTS more kisses. Tonight though, he needs sleep and rest. His cage looks so peaceful and soothing...wish I could crawl in there and go to sleep too!! :rotfl

[Kelly Brady]

You have all always said that if they need Mom they know where she is, and I did believe you, but I honestly wondered if it would every really happen. But man, I have not seen Cody since before Ellie's Party and then this morning, bang there he was, hurt and waiting for Mommy out on the arm of the Adirondack chair. I have no idea what happened or when it happened, but he was VERY hungry so I am thinking that it may have happened a day or so ago, maybe? I am thankful that I am not working and was home so I could spend the day helping him and getting him set up for R&R. He is as sweet as ever and seems to know that I am helping him and not just keeping him in a cage again. He's calm and lovey...the meds are probably helping that though. He had a rough morning and was the perfect patient...I could not have asked for a better one. My Little Cody Boy:Love_Icon
It was so sweet that they were trying to get into the cage and touching noses through the hardware cloth. I tried very hard with these guys and it is so rewarding to hear that you all think I did a good job!! Thank you. It's also nice to see that they appreciate it and know to come back for help.

You should be proud. There is nothing more rewarding than that feeling that they are ok out there on their own unless they need us and they really do come home for help.

My Peanut went out for release and as you say was "being a typical boy" and returned home with some pretty darn bad injuries three times.:dono I was beginning to think he was a keeper but the 4th time was his charm. Then Iggy's foot. I am convinced that while we worry about them at release, they really do remember home if need be.

Also I kept Peanut and Iggy on high doses of metacam for the first two days and they slept so well. For Iggys broken foot I had a heating pad on one corner of her bed and she laid on the heat for the first three days then did not want anything to do with it after that.

Get well wishes for Cody being sent you way. :wave123

[stepnstone]

I'm having some computer issues and just got to read all the posts this morning. I'm really sorry to hear about Cody, but happy to see you have him safe and secure and getting alot of supportive help. Couldn't help but get a little emotional putting myself in your place and understanding how you must feel having one of your babies hurt. Sending lots of healing energy and light your way for a fast recovery for little Cody.

[Milo's Mom]

Cody was up eating and drinking when I got downstairs this morning. The swelling on his leg is much more evident this morning. His leg is about twice the size of the other.
I need to make an appointment at the vet for the dog...she needs her annual shots, monthly heartworms pills, she has ear gunkies again so we need a refill on those meds, and I also want to get her some Revolution, so I will be calling today to make an appointment.
While I am there and in the exam room with him and only him I will ask him for some Metacam.
Cody is still moving about, but it is obvious that he is in pain. So, I think it's time to see if my vet is willing to help me or if I need to consider finding another vet for my animals.
I gave Cody his Tramadol again this morning and again he took it like it was going out of style and I had to ask him to give me the syringe back. He wanted to hold it and lick, lick, lick, just to make sure he got it all. Such a good little patient.:D

[SammysMom]

Good morning! How's little Cody this morning, is he up ringing the room service bell for his breakfast?

[stosh2010]

Cody is still moving about, but it is obvious that he is in pain. So, I think it's time to see if my vet is willing to help me or if I need to consider finding another vet for my animals.
I gave Cody his Tramadol again this morning and again he took it like it was going out of style and I had to ask him to give me the syringe back. He wanted to hold it and lick, lick, lick, just to make sure he got it all. Such a good little patient.:D
I hope your vet is cooperative...and that Cody's swelling recedes...soon.

[Pierre]

Yea, if it's swelling that much, you need an anti-inflammatory med on board. One actually does not want a situation with NO inflammation because a recent study showed that inflamed cells produce IGF-1 [insulin-like growth factor-1] which actually aids in healing.

Too much inflammation however, has negative affects too, so you do want to decrease it to a good degree.

Cody sounds like his inflammation is too great. :grouphug

Any chance you could smuggle Cody in in an over-sized bag [maybe the tramadol will keep him sedated]? Perhaps the vet could do a quick manipulation of his leg and give you a better idea of the injury.

:grouphug

[CritterMom]

How closely have you been able to examine him? Does the area feel hot?

I am wondering about a bite wound rather than a pull or break - one that could be abscessing. You would need to be able to really examine the area inch by inch because a single puncture can be really hard to see under the fur...

[CritterMom]

How closely have you been able to examine him? Does the area feel hot?

I am wondering about a bite wound rather than a pull or break - one that could be abscessing. You would need to be able to really examine the area inch by inch because a single puncture can be really hard to see under the fur... Because if that is the case, he will need abx...and possibly draining.

[Milo's Mom]

Stosh - thank you, I hope Cody is feeling better soon too. He is SO well behaved and takes his medicine so well, almost eagerly. And, yes, I too hope that my vet will help me. Could you and the King send some of those special C.R. prayers our way? I will be seeing my vet (my dog has an appointment) this afternoon at 4:45pm. So, I will soon know if I truly love my vet or not. I think I do...

Pierre - I totally agree with a little bit of swelling, but not too much. Swelling is a good thing in moderation as it is the body working to heal itself. I am NOT taking Cody to the vet. I am going to explain the situation, share the pics I posted here, and the video on my cell phone and ask him if he will prescribe some Metacam. If he wants to prescribe it for my dog since she tripped in a groundhog hole and sprained her paw, then that is fine with me. (my dog is fine, but if he needs to "track" the script it is logical). If he will not prescribe without seeing Cody, he will need to swear up and down, left and right, and all the way around 3 times that he will NOT under any circumstances take Cody or report me. If he is not willing to guarantee me that I will leave his office with Cody and the Metacam (or something of the similar that is TSB approved) I will thank him for his time, pay my bill, leave his office, and I'll use different avenues to obtain the meds that Cody needs. But, if the vet does guarantee me the above, and says that he must see before prescribing, then yes, I will pack him up carefully, while he is loopy on the Tramadol and get him to the Dr. But the Dr. has to basically swear on the life of his children and the future of his practice that Cody will leave that office with me or all bets are off, period. I will not be persuaded and the true Taurus in me will show clearly, but politely. :D

CritterMom - I have gone over his entire body at least 6 times with a fine tooth comb (literally) looking for a bite mark, a puncture wound, anything other than normal healthy flesh and there is nothing. His fur shines and is soft and clean and there is not a mark on him, anywhere. His leg does not feel warm, nor does his foot or anything in between. I have looked between his toes too. I touched both of his legs and feet (tops and bottoms) to my lips to feel for extra warmth or coolness (lips are more sensitive than hands) and they feel the same with regard to temp. (ONLY Cody would let me do that...not even sure the Princess would allow that one:rotfl :D )
The part of his leg that is swollen is very hard, like bone hard, but there is nothing "sticking" out in an odd way that would indicate a compound fracture. Only going from the animals I've grown up with all my life and their different "sprains/strains/breaks/dislocations" I feel inclined to say that it is a really bad sprain or a dislocation of his knee, but that really means nothing because I am NOT educated it is simply a guess from my experience with other animals...just sort of my gut...ya know what I mean?

I have to walk out the door in 5 minutes to get the dog to the vet. I am taking WMB with me just in case and also to show him where I got some of my info (if he asks)...just don't want him thinking that I am trying to do his job or hunting for good drugs.

If I do not feel that he is having a good day or is not in a good mood, then I am not going to ask him a thing. If the perfect moment presents itself, I will act, if not, I am not going to jeopardize Cody or Ellie or chance getting myself in trouble with my dang dumb stupid state.

Wish me luck & I'll leave you all know how we made out as soon as I get home!!:thumbsup

[SammysMom]

Just checking in on Cody...hope the vet was helpful!:grouphug

[Milo's Mom]

Well, the vet was helpful and not so helpful. He would not give me Metacam for Cody without seeing him. I then asked if he was going to take him and he said why on earth would I take him? I said well, uhmmm, because I am not really supposed to do what I am doing. Then he said I thought you were getting your license. I told him that I have been trying to get the state to send me the info I need so I can study and take the test, but no one will send me any info. and it's like the state does not want Rehabbers. He said that might be the case and is probably the reason you are having such a difficult time obtaining the information. He suggested going to the local state office and asking in person...harder to ignore someone when they are standing right in front of you...
I explained everything about Cody to him and he said it sounds like a bad sprain or a green fracture, which will both heal fine, with some R&R. DUH!!!
He also said that using Infant Mortin with Tramadol is fine and sounds like a good treatment plan and that I am to call him if Cody is not showing signs of improvement in 7-10 days. Not sure what he's going to do then that he couldn't do now, but we had a good conversation and he gave me some pointers on how to further breakdown the Tramadol so that I waste little to none after diluting it. He also said that just about any NSAID can be administered with Tramadol, as well as, Asprin.
He said that he hoped I understood why he could not prescribe Metacam, but that he is looking forward to working with me when I get my license and after I do so, he's happy to prescribe meds as they are needed. I told him that I understood completely and that I respect his position, but that I did not like it. He also said "we live in a tough state and it's just not as easy as it used to be to do the right thing and help good people such as yourself".
He's right, I was asking him to do something he really should not do and he has his practice on the line. He thanked me for understanding and said "Now, go get your license before something like this happens again!".
I then went and paid my $477.89 bill!
With all of that, I am going to give Cody the Infant Motrin a few hours after I give him the Tramadol until I can figure out how to get Metacam, which is what he really needs.

So, he was helpful and not so helpful, just wish he would have prescribed the Metacam, like I really wanted.

[CritterMom]

I just want you to know that I have worked with a number of folks who had access to both and preferred the motrin to the metacam. Metacam is given ONCE daily and it really doesn't last for 24 hours, so you have a period of time where you can't give any more metacam but they are clearly hurting. The motrin is administered every four hours and the more frequent dosing means that they seem to have more constant relief. It is also apparently pretty tasty!

If you can weigh him I will give you exact dosage info.

[Milo's Mom]

I just want you to know that I have worked with a number of folks who had access to both and preferred the motrin to the metacam. Metacam is given ONCE daily and it really doesn't last for 24 hours, so you have a period of time where you can't give any more metacam but they are clearly hurting. The motrin is administered every four hours and the more frequent dosing means that they seem to have more constant relief. It is also apparently pretty tasty!

If you can weigh him I will give you exact dosage info.

He weighs 462 grams.

[UDoWhat]

Dosing for his weight is .11cc Every 4-6 hours. I didn't see a response yet.

[CritterMom]

:thumbsup

[Milo's Mom]

Thank you ladies!! Administering right now.

[Gina]

So glad he came home to his momma for care. Praying for a full recovery. :Love_Icon :grouphug

[momma2boo]

I liked the infant motrin when I used it for Boo for the reason Crit said, it can be administered every 4-6 hours.

[Milo's Mom]

He had his first dose of Infant Motrin and he was not crazy about it, but took it. He REALLY wanted me to hold and pet him and kept grabbing at my hands every time I tried to pull them out of the cage. I finally just stood there and pet him until he fell asleep. He has not eaten much since yesterday morning, when he was eating everything in sight, but he has been drinking, peeing and pooping. I did convince him to eat an entire Wild Bite though. I hate to wake him but it's time for his Tramadol again. The swelling has not changed today...no better no worse...good? maybe? (I know that the motrin would not have taken affect yet, I am just saying in general there is no change in the swelling).
If he wants to be held and cuddled, is it okay if I hold him and cuddle him? Just for now when he hurts? I am shocked that he wants to be so close to me, he supposed to be wild....

[Nancy in New York]

He had his first dose of Infant Motrin and he was not crazy about it, but took it. He REALLY wanted me to hold and pet him and kept grabbing at my hands every time I tried to pull them out of the cage. I finally just stood there and pet him until he fell asleep. He has not eaten much since yesterday morning, when he was eating everything in sight, but he has been drinking, peeing and pooping. I did convince him to eat an entire Wild Bite though. I hate to wake him but it's time for his Tramadol again. The swelling has not changed today...no better no worse...good? maybe? (I know that the motrin would not have taken affect yet, I am just saying in general there is no change in the swelling).
If he wants to be held and cuddled, is it okay if I hold him and cuddle him? Just for now when he hurts? I am shocked that he wants to be so close to me, he supposed to be wild....

Yes he is wild, but even they need love from their momma....:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
Oh, I would hold him and cuddle him in a heart beat if that's what he wants...:grouphug

[UDoWhat]

Yes he is wild, but even they need love from their momma....:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
Oh, I would hold him and cuddle him in a heart beat if that's what he wants...:grouphug

Me too! :thumbsup He is still a baby and needs his Mommy. :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Might a cool pack on the leg help relieve some of the swelling? Might make it easier if he wants to be cuddled anyway. Healing prayers from Sammy!!!:grouphug

[Milo's Mom]

It appears as if the swelling has reduced slightly. :thumbsup
He also ate about 1/2 of his food overnight. It looks like he is starting to feel a little better too. He is still not using his leg, and I mean he is NOT using it. After he gets to where ever he is going he will set it down but during transit it's tucked. When I touch the underside of his paw he does curl his toes around my finger, which is good. He just got his Tramadol and in about an hour I will give him the Motrin, but then he's gonna be on his own today. I will not be home until around 4 this afternoon, so hopefully, he will be feeling very sleeping and will spend lots of the day in bed. Unfortunately, I cannot leave my arm in the cage to pet and sooth him to sleep...I sort of need it with me today.
I just cannot believe how much of a little lover he is. He wants to groom and kiss and nibble on me. He actually wants me touching him. Tonight when I get home, if he wants to be held and cuddled, then I will do nothing but...:Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

Well I for one am shocked that you are too selfish to leave your arm behind today!!! :poke For heaven sake, you need to gt your priorities in order!!!:soapbox
Hugs to the patient! (Who will simply nap 'til his mommy comes home to cuddle!:grouphug

[momma2boo]

It appears as if the swelling has reduced slightly. :thumbsup
He also ate about 1/2 of his food overnight. It looks like he is starting to feel a little better too. He is still not using his leg, and I mean he is NOT using it. After he gets to where ever he is going he will set it down but during transit it's tucked. When I touch the underside of his paw he does curl his toes around my finger, which is good. He just got his Tramadol and in about an hour I will give him the Motrin, but then he's gonna be on his own today. I will not be home until around 4 this afternoon, so hopefully, he will be feeling very sleeping and will spend lots of the day in bed. Unfortunately, I cannot leave my arm in the cage to pet and sooth him to sleep...I sort of need it with me today.
I just cannot believe how much of a little lover he is. He wants to groom and kiss and nibble on me. He actually wants me touching him. Tonight when I get home, if he wants to be held and cuddled, then I will do nothing but...:Love_Icon

Does your sweet boy have a stuffie? Rub it on you to pick up your scent and put it in with him. If will help soothe him while you're gone. Something to cuddle with that smells like mom. :thumbsup

[pappy1264]

Got an old shirt you could live without (make sure no loose strings), let him snuggle up with that. God bless him, he knows mom will fix it and just like all us of, when we don't feel good, we want our mommy, no matter how 'wild' we are! :D

[momma2boo]

Got an old shirt you could live without (make sure no loose strings), let him snuggle up with that. God bless him, he knows mom will fix it and just like all us of, when we don't feel good, we want our mommy, no matter how 'wild' we are! :D

Awwwwww Mary. I still want my mommy when I don't feel well and I am 48. :)

[pappy1264]

Me, too (and I turn 48 next month! lol I am the 'baby' of 8 and I am blessed to still have my mom. Sunday it was 12 yrs my dad passed.) 'Mom' is always the best 'medicine'!!

[stosh2010]

If I could get up there ( C.R. is kind of FAR ) I'd snuggle him for ya...Man Do I need to snuggle a squirrel
The KING will have NONE of That !

[Milo's Mom]

Stosh - anytime you are anywhere close to me please feel free to stop by any snuggle any of my squirrels anytime unannounced...just show up...they all know all about you...the newest trick is to hang out of the trees upside down and grab my hair as I walk by and not notice them. The first few times scared the heck out of me.

Ladies...hmmm, no he does not have a stuffie. The stuffies that The Fuzzy Five had are out in the nest box that is 20 feet up in a tree and someone (I think Gabby or Bandit) is currently occupying the box.

I guess I could ask Ellie if I could borrow one of her newer ones (I got her 3 small stuffies for her birthday) and then I'll sleep with it tonight and then tomorrow I'll give it to Cody.

I was going to make a rice buddy for him, but the only rice I have is Jasmati and at nearly $10.00 for 2lbs....uhhh, no, I am not making a rice buddy out of my gourmet rice.

I have lots of old shirts that I use for pajamas, so I'll pull some of them out too. If I stuff much more "stuff" in this cage for Cody, there will be no room for him!!! :rotfl

[Milo's Mom]

I cannot believe I just did what I did. YUK!!! I just walked out of the house to get the food and water dish that I have under the big pine tree next to the release cage to toss, clean and refill. On the way back into the house following the exact same path I walk just moments before, I saw a locust fall out of a tree and land on the driveway dead. I picked it up by its wing and walked into the house with it in MY HAND! I set the dishes down and offered the horrid creature to Cody. He is currently MUNCHING & CRUNCHING on it. YUK!!
The BF will not believe me so I allowed Cody to pull the wings off in his cage as proof. I am a changed person due to squirrels. NEVER in my life would it ever cross my mind to pick one of those horribly gross things up, much less take it INTO my HOUSE! What we do for our fuzzy loves....:thinking :Love_Icon

[JakesLittlePrincess]

Now that's squirrel love!! I won't even pick up the empty cicada shells!!!

[Milo's Mom]

Now that's squirrel love!! I won't even pick up the empty cicada shells!!!

Oh, the empty ones are UGLY but they are empty and I am positive that it will not move, so I am okay with them...I'd much prefer to allow the mower to suck them up, but if I have to pick them off my car or the house or something, I'm fine with touching them. The locusts though...I HATE those things and then when they spring back to life and the legs touch you....YUK!! I have to immediately stop what I am doing and take a shower. I do NOT like BUGS.:tilt

[Milo's Mom]

I gave Cody the freshly washed stuffie that I got for Ellie for Christmas. He is having a blast!!! I thought the meds were supposed to make him sleepy?:thinking

[stepnstone]

How is Cody doing today? I hope your seeing more improvment on the leg...

[pappy1264]

He may be adjusting to them, so he is less sleepy. Think he needs more lovin' and scritches from momma so he will relax and settle down!!!

Hey, I feed bugs to my critters by hand every day....yeah, gotta love em' to be doing those things! (I raised them in my house for my babies...the bugs, I mean....lol, so there ya go!)

[Milo's Mom]

The swelling on his leg has gone down a little, but he is still not using it. His toes are all together and slightly curled at the tip, as if he was sleeping. He just tucks it up and hops around without using it. He will put it down for balance once he gets to where he is going. He grooms himself laying down and then flips to do the other side. I feel bad for the little dude.
How long do I keep him on the Tramadol? The Infant Motrin is not an issue as it is easily available, but the Tramadol is not so easily accessible.

[Kelly Brady]

I do NOT like BUGS.:tilt[/QUOTE]

I second that. I adore my squirrels but I draw the line at some things and ask for help from other brave individuals:D

[Kelly Brady]

The swelling on his leg has gone down a little, but he is still not using it. His toes are all together and slightly curled at the tip, as if he was sleeping. He just tucks it up and hops around without using it. He will put it down for balance once he gets to where he is going. He grooms himself laying down and then flips to do the other side. I feel bad for the little dude.
How long do I keep him on the Tramadol? The Infant Motrin is not an issue as it is easily available, but the Tramadol is not so easily accessible.

When Iggy broke her foot that is exactly what her foot did. The toes just curled under. I have a picture of it to post but cannot do it until tomorrow from work. She would hold it up to move around and lightly place it down for balance when holding still as well. Little by little that foot started flattening out and then she put pressure on it and so on.

As far as the Tramadol I cannot answer that, but one would think as long as he looks like he is in real discomfort. That is a question for big wigs:D

[Milo's Mom]

When Iggy broke her foot that is exactly what her foot did. The toes just curled under. I have a picture of it to post but cannot do it until tomorrow from work. She would hold it up to move around and lightly place it down for balance when holding still as well. Little by little that foot started flattening out and then she put pressure on it and so on.

As far as the Tramadol I cannot answer that, but one would think as long as he looks like he is in real discomfort. That is a question for big wigs:D

Thank you Kelly!! I was just saying to the BF it looks like atrophy in his toes. When I had him out of the cage for some belly rubs and kisses a few minutes ago, I did stretch out his toes carefully to make the flat and then I left them curl, then I made them flat and so on and so forth about 10 times. I am not sure if I am seeing swelling or something else. Swelling is normally sort of mushy, right? Swelling is extra fluids the body sends to the site of the injury, hence the mushiness. His knee is not mushy, there are 2 very defined hard lumps right next to each other, as if the top of the knee has been separated from the bottom of the knee. Have I mentioned lately how much I hate the state I live in? Grrrrr!
How long did it take Iggy to start using her foot a little. Not that I am expecting him to be using it, I am just looking for an estimate so I can determine if I need to move to a different state so I can take him to a vet. Is there a point when it can be determined that additional assistance is needed or is it a wait and see thing? I'd think that if it is fixable, the sooner the better, as if left scare tissue will begin to develop which could inhibit use for the rest of his life and he's just a baby. A little lover baby, but still a baby.

[Milo's Mom]

I do NOT like BUGS.:tilt


I second that. I adore my squirrels but I draw the line at some things and ask for help from other brave individuals:D


Bugs are YUCKY!!!

[UDoWhat]

Thank you Kelly!! I was just saying to the BF it looks like atrophy in his toes. When I had him out of the cage for some belly rubs and kisses a few minutes ago, I did stretch out his toes carefully to make the flat and then I left them curl, then I made them flat and so on and so forth about 10 times. I am not sure if I am seeing swelling or something else. Swelling is normally sort of mushy, right? Swelling is extra fluids the body sends to the site of the injury, hence the mushiness. His knee is not mushy, there are 2 very defined hard lumps right next to each other, as if the top of the knee has been separated from the bottom of the knee. Have I mentioned lately how much I hate the state I live in? Grrrrr!
How long did it take Iggy to start using her foot a little. Not that I am expecting him to be using it, I am just looking for an estimate so I can determine if I need to move to a different state so I can take him to a vet. Is there a point when it can be determined that additional assistance is needed or is it a wait and see thing? I'd think that if it is fixable, the sooner the better, as if left scare tissue will begin to develop which could inhibit use for the rest of his life and he's just a baby. A little lover baby, but still a baby.
MM, I was thinking it has only been 3 days since the original post. I would continue with the Tram. and /or Motrin. If you don't see improvement by Mon. then I can have my Vet take a look at him. Does his hurt leg, that you are describing with the 2 lumps, feel different from the way the other leg feels? Feel princess Ellies knee, does it feel the same or different??? Just trying to determine if it is very different from a normal knee??

Marty

[stepnstone]

I can have my Vet take a look at him. Marty

:poke Sounds like a generous offer to me. Marty can get her vet to examine, treat and x-ray if necessary without any risk of losing your little guy.

[MiriamS]

I'm just seeing this thread for the first time and while I'm sorry that Cody is hurt, I am amazed (once again) at how smart and affectionate squirrels are. That he came back home when he was injured just melts my heart and then he goes and offers you nose kisses. :Love_Icon

Your story about the locust made me laugh. Do you remember hearing about a giant invasion in DC back in 2004? It was insane. They were everywhere and they are very slow flyers. They would buzz straight at you, not see you and hit you in the face. People would get on the bus with a locust on their shoulder. Dead ones on the ground everywhere. The radio was broadcasting recipes for cooking them. It was like something out of Twilight Zone.

Getting back to business, I never would have guessed you could use Tramadol on a squirrel. Must be tricky to crush the pills and get the dose right. I'd take Marty up on her offer for help. I am glad that your vet turned out to be a decent person and is just intent on sticking to the law. I don't see why he couldn't have just slipped you what you needed but it sounds like he'll be supportive once you're permitted. Hugs to you and Cody and Princess Ellie.

[stosh2010]

While Cody is recouperating...start him on a dose of 5cc Bailey's Irish Cream with a 1/2 tsp. of Nutella...every 6 hours---It Can't HURT !

[Pierre]

I can have my Vet take a look at him.

Marty

Awesome!! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[pappy1264]

5cc Bailey's Irish Cream with a 1/2 tsp. of Nutella...every 6 hours---It Can't HURT !

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Ummmm, MM, I think you should share this with Cody! lol

[JakesLittlePrincess]

Mmmmm Bailey's. Cody would like some with a locust chaser!

[Milo's Mom]

Marty - Thank you very very much!! His hurt knee is NOT like his other knee nor either of the Princess' knees and yes, it feels different. It feels like he has 2 knees right next to each other (right and left versus up and down). I would say yes it feels very different from a normal knee. The BF is not home and I cannot take a picture of his knees without help. I do not have enough hands/arms. Need at least one more...LOL!! When the BF gets home tonight I will hold Cody and ask the BF to take the pics and I'll post. I will keep him on the Tramadol and Motrin until at least this coming Monday.

Stepnstone - Yes, Marty's offer is EXTREMELY generous and I might just take her up on it. I am going to wait until Monday...a full week from from his injury occurring (approx) and see how he's doing and how his knee looks.

Miriam - Yes, I do remember the locust thing in DC. I think that was the year of the cicada and they were really bad everywhere. They were always landing on me and getting stuck in my hair. They are horrid little creatures. Yes, the fact that Cody came home when he got hurt still amazes me. He has always been the one to give Mommy lots of kisses...from day one he has been the little lover boy.:Love_Icon Yeah, my vet is a decent guy and I do like him, but I too wish he would just turn a blind eye and help me out now. But like I said, I understand his position and I have to respect it too.

Stosh - 5cc's of Bailey's Irish Cream and 1/2 tsp of Nutella...what on earth do you think I've been feeding him since he got home on Monday?:rotfl

Pierre - I totally agree....awesome!!!

Pappy - I did share it with Cody and he said that he really liked it, but wanted to know if I could add just a little FV to it. I obliged.

Jake - As much as I hate those horrid creatures, each time I find a fresh DEAD one, I grab it (with my bare hands...Ewwwww) and bring it in the house and give to Cody (as fast as possible). He absolutely LOVES them...head first all the time and usually one eye, then the other, then the rest of the head...it is so freaking gross. YUK!

[Kelly Brady]

Darn it I hope this thread copies for you to see. The last page is Iggys foot.

It was six days before she put any pressure on it and it is so hard to see her this way. I never thought her foot would be the same but eventually it flattened out and she put more and more pressure on it.

Now Iggy just had a broken foot and didn't seem to have any other issues above the foot. I used Metacam for quite a few days and she was the little princess. I also left my nite shirt in with her while I was away. After she started to use , we had excersise in the house. Some couch running etc. They heal very quickly after pressure begins to be placed on the foot.

Prayers go out to you and precious Cody:grouphug http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25590&highlight=iggy

[Milo's Mom]

YES!! That is exactly what Cody is doing with his foot. He leans or props himself against something to stand up and if that is not possible for some reason, he eats with one hand, just like your Iggy was doing in the pic below.

THIS PIC IS OF IGGY, NOT CODY
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[Kelly Brady]

Every time I see that pic I shudder at how miserable she was. Bless her heart for coming home to Momma for help. I think we bonded even closer after that whole ordeal. She is still a Momma's girl.

At least you know that what Cody is experiencing is should I say typical? I also felt a good degree of hard tissue. I assumed it was the bone healing and or the way they form scar tissue. I loved my time with her and holding her while she ate and helping her excersise her healed foot for release.

Squirrels are just bundles of love period. They are so smart and so amazing and so full of love:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[stepnstone]

As much as I hate those horrid creatures, each time I find a fresh DEAD one, I grab it (with my bare hands...Ewwwww) and bring it in the house and give to Cody (as fast as possible). He absolutely LOVES them...head first all the time and usually one eye, then the other, then the rest of the head...it is so freaking gross. YUK!

Now that's mother love... Shudder to pick them up but yet watch how he eats them. :jump

[Pierre]

] As much as I hate those horrid creatures, each time I find a fresh DEAD one, I grab it (with my bare hands...Ewwwww) and bring it in the house and give to Cody (as fast as possible). He absolutely LOVES them...head first all the time and usually one eye, then the other, then the rest of the head...it is so freaking gross. YUK!

BLICK! I do the same thing now~ :rotfl As a matter of fact, I have two in the fridge for Grayson right now... :yuck

[Milo's Mom]

BLICK! I do the same thing now~ :rotfl As a matter of fact, I have two in the fridge for Grayson right now... :yuck

If there ever comes a time when I have so many that I need to start "storing them" I WILL BUY A NEW REFRIGERATOR! They will NOT go in the fridge that my food is stored in. I was teetering on the line with picking them up, but I will NOT put them in my fridge...that line is crystal clear...it will NOT happen. I'll buy one of those little office sized units and keep it on the back porch to store the bugs in. YUK!!! I REALLY HATE bugs...they're creepy.
Please someone tell me that Princess Ellie gets all of the good stuff she needs from her blocks and healthy food and that it is not necessary for me to feed her bugs too. PLEASE tell me I do not have to do that...I'm begging here.

[Milo's Mom]

Now that's mother love... Shudder to pick them up but yet watch how he eats them. :jump

I did not have much of a choice, as fast as I opened the cage door, he reached out grabbed it, flip it around and started muching. I barely had the door closed...notice I did not mention which part came next...I have no clue and frankly, I really do not care. He likes it, evidently it's good for him :thinking , when I see them freshly dead, I will give them to him...other than that they are his business and I really wish he'd learn how to chew them quieter...the crunching is horrible.:shakehead

[Milo's Mom]

Every time I see that pic I shudder at how miserable she was. Bless her heart for coming home to Momma for help. I think we bonded even closer after that whole ordeal. She is still a Momma's girl.

At least you know that what Cody is experiencing is should I say typical? I also felt a good degree of hard tissue. I assumed it was the bone healing and or the way they form scar tissue. I loved my time with her and holding her while she ate and helping her excersise her healed foot for release.

Squirrels are just bundles of love period. They are so smart and so amazing and so full of love:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Kelly - thank you so much. Yes, I am feeling a good amount of hard stuff...not sure if it's tissue or bone or what. He's most certainly a Momma's boy and I LOVE every minute of it. Although, I know it's just going to make it harder to release him again. I will worry even more. Maybe he will decide that he prefers staying with Mommy (I would never keep him against his will, unless for some reason he became non-releasable). I know I am going to worry every minute that he is not in my line of sight. I am so happy that he came home. I think he's enjoying his time here though and the BF said "I wonder if he's not hurt as bad as you think and he just wanted to come back in the house?"...odd that he was thinking that as I was thinking how he seems to be happy in the house...:thinking :tilt

[JLM27]

If Cody broke something in there and it doesn't heal right he will become NR. Maybe it better be xrayed asap given how fast they heal up.

[UDoWhat]

How is Cody today?? I sure hope he is better. Is his knee/leg any better?? Is there still swelling?? Can he use it at all. I have a wild that comes to my porch everyday. About 2 weeks ago he came and I noticed he was doing the toe curl and balance thing with his back foot. It has been 2 weeks and it is just now looking a little better. I mean only a little better. Point is that Cody may need a few weeks to see improvement in his leg. Let me know if I can help. Do you need any supplies or meds?? I can get some things from my Vet if you need it. Hoping for a good update.

Marty

[Milo's Mom]

Well yesterday was a "test" day. I did not give him the Tramadol because I wanted to see if he was still in pain. I did however continue with the Infant Motrin. If he is walking it appears that he is using his leg a very tiny bit and his toes although still together and curled under, I have seen him spread them and straighten them.

So, I am hopeful, but being very cautious to not get to excited to quickly.
I am not going to give him any Tramadol again today so I can observe him and see if he exhibits any signs of pain. If I see that he is in pain, he's getting the Tramadol again and I'll call UDoWhat using speed dial and see if we can get him an appointment.

I have 1.5 tablets of Tramadol left, then it's gone. If I need to mix any more, I am going to try to break it down to only a dose or 2 so I can save as much as possible.

There may still be a little bit of swelling, but not too much. I also do not see any bruising and I thought for sure that if there was any I'd see it by now.

He's starting to bang around in his cage, which means he wants breakfast and he wants it NOW. Gotta run to keep the patient happy and quiet.

[Kelly Brady]

:grouphug Cody:D

[Milo's Mom]

Here are some pics of Cody's leg as of just a few minutes ago. I am not sure if you all will be able to see what I am seeing, feeling, and trying to describe.

Leave me know if I need to take more pics at a different angle for you to look at or if you need me to zoom in on an area. Also, would it help if I made his fur wet on both legs so there is not fur fluff and you can see the true legs?


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[JakesLittlePrincess]

If you need more tramadol let me know I do have some!!

[Milo's Mom]

If you need more tramadol let me know I do have some!!

Wow, Thank you very much!! :thumbsup I am hoping that I do not, but if I do and cannot get any, I will leave you know. Thank you very much!!:bowdown

[Milo's Mom]

Does anyone have any opinions on the pics that I posted earlier today? If you all think he needs to see a vet, then I need to get on the phone and start making arrangements. Leave me know when you all have a chance. Thanks!!:)

[Milo's Mom]

Cody's appetite is still strong...he just ate his dinner and all of his veggies too...I treated him to a dessert of 2 freshly caught locusts. I've found that they are so slow in flying that I can catch them with my large fish nest (the one I use to pick tree debris out of the pond). Then I swing the net down towards the ground very quickly and the net with the bugs hits the ground and the bugs either die or are stunned long enough for me to grab them and get them in the house and give to Cody. I'm sure glad he likes them so much, cause I look like a major freak out in the yard swinging my fish net around trying to catch them...:tilt :rotfl

[UDoWhat]

Does anyone have any opinions on the pics that I posted earlier today? If you all think he needs to see a vet, then I need to get on the phone and start making arrangements. Leave me know when you all have a chance. Thanks!!:)

It does seem to have a little bit of swelling around that knee and just below it... actually just on top of that knee. I would keep him on the Mortin another few days. If you can, I would also do the Tramadol for 2-3 days. Maybe just 2x per day on the Tramadol. What are you thinking?? :thinking

Marty

[Milo's Mom]

It does seem to have a little bit of swelling around that knee and just below it... actually just on top of that knee. I would keep him on the Mortin another few days. If you can, I would also do the Tramadol for 2-3 days. Maybe just 2x per day on the Tramadol. What are you thinking?? :thinking

Marty

I am really torn at what to do next. He spent the majority of the day in bed, but then that's what most squirrels do, right? Since he has been injured and back in the house other than the first day or so, this is the most amount of time he's spent in bed. Does that mean that his leg hurts and he feels better not moving it? Was the Tramadol blocking the pain enough for him to know that it hurt if he used it, but not enough to keep him in bed?
Vet or not? I'd never forgive myself if it is something that could be fixed by a vet and I did not take him...I wish I knew what happened to the little dude. Did he slip while running through a tree? Did he get to close to a human that kicked him? Did he fall and land on his leg wrong? I knew I should have mounted those teeny tiny helmet cams on all of them before they took for the trees! :D
I have enough Tramadol to keep him dosed for a couple more days and the Infant Motrin is no problem at all.
Should there still be swelling a week later? If so, what type of injury would have this type of swelling and is it treatable by a vet, or are the possibilities too endless to guesstimate?

Marty, what does your schedule look like tomorrow? Other than the dentist appointment I have at 8 tomorrow morning (1st part of a root canal):shakehead I can clear my day. I am thinking maybe if you could look at him and his leg (of course) it might answer some questions as to the course of treatment moving forward. You've seen, felt, and been educated on more of this than I (I know nothing and have been taught nothing) and if you think he needs a vet then to the vet we will go (when we can get an appointment). If you think he just needs time...then he may stay at home with Mommy as long as he likes. Not that I love him anymore than the rest, but of all of TFF to get hurt and come home, he has the best demeanor by far and is such a good boy and a little lover too. He still tries to give me kisses and I allow him to do so, but only AFTER I check him for stray locust legs/wings. (is there a shudder smiley on here somewhere?)
I will mix up some more Tramadol right now and give it to him. His next dose of Motrin is due at 9pm...an hour from now which is perfect...I've been giving him the Tramadol and Mortin 1 hour apart.
Marty, I sent you a PM about this too.

[UDoWhat]

I got the PM. I sent you one also. Give him a few more days. If not some real improvement by mid-week or so, I will be glad see him. If need be, I will call the Vet too
Marty

[Milo's Mom]

I got the PM. I sent you one also. Give him a few more days. If not some real improvement by mid-week or so, I will be glad see him. If need be, I will call the Vet too
Marty

Thank you very much Marty!!

Mr. Cody Boy is trying to sleep today, BUT, Mommy bought him a new stuffie that is all his and not borrowed, so now in addition to all of his fleece, the borrowed squirrel stuffie, Mommy's shirt, & his new stuffie, which he has all stuffed into his bed, there is little to no room for him. He's sort of sleeping on the side of it, with his head propped up on one of the stuffies. I tried to take some of the stuff out so there would be room for him...NO WAY JOSE!!! He told me about it, so I left everything how he had it. He's got to be feeling a little better...starting to grump at Mom...:shakehead

[Pierre]

Thank you very much Marty!!

Mr. Cody Boy is trying to sleep today, BUT, Mommy bought him a new stuffie that is all his and not borrowed, so now in addition to all of his fleece, the borrowed squirrel stuffie, Mommy's shirt, & his new stuffie, which he has all stuffed into his bed, there is little to no room for him. He's sort of sleeping on the side of it, with his head propped up on one of the stuffies. I tried to take some of the stuff out so there would be room for him...NO WAY JOSE!!! He told me about it, so I left everything how he had it. He's got to be feeling a little better...starting to grump at Mom...:shakehead

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So cute!! Hugs for Cody.

[stepnstone]

Just wondering how the Cody boy is doing today? :thinking

[Milo's Mom]

Just wondering how the Cody boy is doing today? :thinking

Mr. Cody Boy is starting to use his leg & foot!!!!! :multi
Wanted to post this morning, but had a small emergency with Kylie (the dog). She developed a hematoma on her ear and had to have surgery today. :shakehead (why does this happen when you are unemployed?) Just got her home from the vet.
But Yes, Mr. Cody Boy is using his leg and foot and as much as I think he really likes being home with Mommy, I think he is itching to get outside again. Too bad the little dude is just going to have to wait a little longer. Mommy is in no rush to boot him out until his leg and foot is ready for it.
I did let him out of the cage for about an hour today (since the dog was not in the house) so he could walk around and do some exploring...something new to do instead of being in the cage all day. I think he enjoyed himself and when he got tired, he climbed back into his cage and went to bed. He's such a good little boy.:Love_Icon

[Pierre]

Awwww....... Wonderful news. Cody sounds like such a sweetie! Give him some kisses! :grouphug

[Kelly Brady]

This is excellent news !!!! and the timing seems just right as well.

I am so happy and I know you are feeling more relieved.

Keep us posted. Thanks to all of your TLC he will be ready to run soon:grouphug

[pappy1264]

Awwww, I am so glad to hear he is beginning to use his leg/foot (even if it means he will eventually be rearing to go back outside.....know how that is!) Give him a little ear scritch for me!!!

[UDoWhat]

Mr. Cody Boy is starting to use his leg & foot!!!!! :multi
Wanted to post this morning, but had a small emergency with Kylie (the dog). She developed a hematoma on her ear and had to have surgery today. :shakehead (why does this happen when you are unemployed?) Just got her home from the vet.
But Yes, Mr. Cody Boy is using his leg and foot and as much as I think he really likes being home with Mommy, I think he is itching to get outside again. Too bad the little dude is just going to have to wait a little longer. Mommy is in no rush to boot him out until his leg and foot is ready for it.
I did let him out of the cage for about an hour today (since the dog was not in the house) so he could walk around and do some exploring...something new to do instead of being in the cage all day. I think he enjoyed himself and when he got tired, he climbed back into his cage and went to bed. He's such a good little boy.:Love_Icon
This is great news!!:multi What is the "plan" from here?? OR are you just on hold to see how Cody does?? I think it is really good not to rush him outside. I would give it at least a few days more. Then in the outdoor pre-release enclosure for a few days too. How he does will guide your plan. You have done great with him.
How is Kylie doing?? What happened???

[stosh2010]

Is Cody un-curling his toes? Is he climbing the cage with both back feet ?

[Milo's Mom]

What is the "plan" from here?? OR are you just on hold to see how Cody does?? I think it is really good not to rush him outside. I would give it at least a few days more. Then in the outdoor pre-release enclosure for a few days too. How he does will guide your plan. You have done great with him.
How is Kylie doing?? What happened???

The "plan" from here is to keep him on the meds through the end of the week like originally planned. Then next week get him off ALL meds and continue to watch him and if all goes well and the weather is decent, then transition him to the release cage for a few days (I am going to try to plan to have him in the release cage for the days that I am not home at a minimum, Tues, Wed, Thurs) then open the portal on a Friday morning....I am home Fridays through and including Mondays, so I'll be around for his 3rd first few days out...just to keep an eye on the little dude. But, if I see him favoring his leg/foot, all bets are off and he's gonna hang with Mom for a little longer. Releasing him again is gonna be tough, but at least I know that he knows where Mom is and if he gets hurt or needs help again, hopefully he will come home again. He's such a sweetheart and a little lover. I'm gonna miss my Cody boy.

Last night when I was giving Kylie meds for her ears I noticed a "ball" of swelling on her ear flap. I thought it looked a little big, but figured it was a mosquito bite and I'd check it again first thing in the morning. So, at 5:30 this morning I check it and the "ball" of swelling had consumed the entire left half of her ear flap (and her ears are quite large, so to consume half of it whatever this was was really big). I looked for bite marks, thinking maybe a spider but found nothing and her ear was VERY warm (almost hot). I waited till 8 when the Vet opened and called just to make sure it was okay for me to give her Benadryl, as I was thinking she was having some sort of an allergic reaction to her new ear meds. When I described it to the tech that answered the phone she said it sounded more like a hematoma than an allergic reaction, especially since it tripled (or more) in size over the course of 6-7 hours. She asked if I could bring her in at 9:30. I took her in, the vet took one look at her and said it is most certainly a hematoma and she needs surgery to fix it before it deforms her ear permanently. He said he could operate at 11 and I could pick her up after dinner this evening, so I would not incur overnight caging costs. (he is a good guy, I just do not like the word "No") So, $600 and a few hours later I picked her up and now have a very sorry looking puppy, with a bald patch on her leg, a bald ear with a drain in it, wearing an e-collar, and whimpering. She has to wear the collar for 14 days, and the drain has to stay in for 30 days. She looks SO sad and tired.:Love_Icon

Although, I forgot to cover Cody's cage before I went to pick her up, so when she walked in the house and went through the dining room (where Cody was so he could have sunlight) to get to the living room so she could lay down, she passed his cage. As he was quickly retreating to his bed, he stopped and did a double take. He actually did a double take. I burst out laughing, scared the dog by laughing so loud, Cody had hidden himself by then. It was nice to laugh at something after the events of today. Oh did I mention I got the first part of a root canal yesterday so my head/face has been throbbing all day too...I am looking so forward to going to bed, cause tomorrow simply has got to be better than today.:tilt

[Milo's Mom]

Pierre - Cody really is a sweetheart. He's gentle, loving, funny as heck, and so soft! I gave Cody some kisses from you and he said thank you. Kisses are good!!

Kelly - I too am VERY happy with his progress. I was mentally preparing myself for the worst...him becoming an NR. I am going to keep a very close eye on him though and he's gonna just have to deal with Mom and being inside for a little longer.

Pappy - Yes, I was very happy to see him using it too. I was worried at first hoping that he would not over do it, but he knew his limits. He climbed for a little and had some fun doing so, but then he grabbed his stuffie and played and played and played with it on the bottom of his cage. It was really cute...when he was done playing, he drug the stuffie back up to his bed and stuffed it back inside. He actually put his toys away!!! :rotfl The ear scritchies were delivered...he LOVES ear scritchies.

Stosh - YES!!! :multi Cody is uncurling his toes and he is using BOTH back paws and legs for climbing. The hurt leg/foot is always the second foot (as in not the dominant) but he is using it and his little toes are grabbing the bars on the cage versus just resting on them. I'm so proud of the little dude!!!:rotfl

[stepnstone]

Good to hear Cody is doing so well! :thumbsup
Sorry to hear about Kylie...:( What caused the hematoma, was it maybe from scratching? Give that pretty boy a big hug from me and tell him I hope he gets better real soon.

[Kelly Brady]

The "plan" from here is to keep him on the meds through the end of the week like originally planned. Then next week get him off ALL meds and continue to watch him and if all goes well and the weather is decent, then transition him to the release cage for a few days (I am going to try to plan to have him in the release cage for the days that I am not home at a minimum, Tues, Wed, Thurs) then open the portal on a Friday morning....I am home Fridays through and including Mondays, so I'll be around for his 3rd first few days out...just to keep an eye on the little dude. But, if I see him favoring his leg/foot, all bets are off and he's gonna hang with Mom for a little longer. Releasing him again is gonna be tough, but at least I know that he knows where Mom is and if he gets hurt or needs help again, hopefully he will come home again. He's such a sweetheart and a little lover. I'm gonna miss my Cody boy.

Last night when I was giving Kylie meds for her ears I noticed a "ball" of swelling on her ear flap. I thought it looked a little big, but figured it was a mosquito bite and I'd check it again first thing in the morning. So, at 5:30 this morning I check it and the "ball" of swelling had consumed the entire left half of her ear flap (and her ears are quite large, so to consume half of it whatever this was was really big). I looked for bite marks, thinking maybe a spider but found nothing and her ear was VERY warm (almost hot). I waited till 8 when the Vet opened and called just to make sure it was okay for me to give her Benadryl, as I was thinking she was having some sort of an allergic reaction to her new ear meds. When I described it to the tech that answered the phone she said it sounded more like a hematoma than an allergic reaction, especially since it tripled (or more) in size over the course of 6-7 hours. She asked if I could bring her in at 9:30. I took her in, the vet took one look at her and said it is most certainly a hematoma and she needs surgery to fix it before it deforms her ear permanently. He said he could operate at 11 and I could pick her up after dinner this evening, so I would not incur overnight caging costs. (he is a good guy, I just do not like the word "No") So, $600 and a few hours later I picked her up and now have a very sorry looking puppy, with a bald patch on her leg, a bald ear with a drain in it, wearing an e-collar, and whimpering. She has to wear the collar for 14 days, and the drain has to stay in for 30 days. She looks SO sad and tired.:Love_Icon

Although, I forgot to cover Cody's cage before I went to pick her up, so when she walked in the house and went through the dining room (where Cody was so he could have sunlight) to get to the living room so she could lay down, she passed his cage. As he was quickly retreating to his bed, he stopped and did a double take. He actually did a double take. I burst out laughing, scared the dog by laughing so loud, Cody had hidden himself by then. It was nice to laugh at something after the events of today. Oh did I mention I got the first part of a root canal yesterday so my head/face has been throbbing all day too...I am looking so forward to going to bed, cause tomorrow simply has got to be better than today.:tilt

Oh you poor thing with the root canal. Do we need to find you some tramadol or metacam?????:grouphug

[Milo's Mom]

Good to hear Cody is doing so well! :thumbsup
Sorry to hear about Kylie...:( What caused the hematoma, was it maybe from scratching? Give that pretty boy a big hug from me and tell him I hope he gets better real soon.

I am thinking that since she had been scratching her ears due to the yeast infection she had (she has them all the time, it a never ending battle, tried different food, different meds, extra vitamins, etc). When I took her to the vet last week for her annual vaccinations I spoke to him about possibly using a stronger med in her ears since it seemed like were only putting a band-aide on the infections versus eliminating it. We changed her meds on Tuesday 8/9 and on the night on 8/15 I noticed the hematoma.
I gave Kylie a hug from you and I also told her that you hope she feels better soon. She is such a good girl...lets Mommy check and clean the drain in her ear and she does not complain about the e-collar either.

[Milo's Mom]

Oh you poor thing with the root canal. Do we need to find you some tramadol or metacam?????:grouphug


hehehehehe...the thought did cross my mind, but I have DayPro and Vicodin for me...trying to keep it at bay with Tylenol and Ibuprofen though.

[Scooterzmom]

As long as you don't have an abscess already in the tooth WHEN they do the root canal. Been there, and trust me, you really don't want to live through that...because the freezing does not take when you have an abscess which means they do the root canal without any anaesthetic. Not funny.

Best of luck with all of it!!!!!! :grouphug

[Milo's Mom]

As long as you don't have an abscess already in the tooth WHEN they do the root canal. Been there, and trust me, you really don't want to live through that...because the freezing does not take when you have an abscess which means they do the root canal without any anaesthetic. Not funny.

Best of luck with all of it!!!!!! :grouphug

Nope, no abscess now...had that several weeks ago, which is how it was all discovered. My face is still sore...feels like I have been punched, but soon I'll be as good as new. I have had perfect teeth all of my life, this is SO new to me. I hate feeling dumb and asking so many questions...:thinking

[MiriamS]

My goodness! :eek: I stopped by to check in on Cody and there is all this talk of root canal, abscesses, yeast infections, ear drains and hematomas and I couldn't figure out which species had which! :thinking

Milo's Mom-Sorry to hear you had an abscess and ended up needing root canal. That just sucks. Did you con the oral surgeon into getting you more tramadol for Cody?

Kylie-30days of a drain and 14 days of the collar, you poor sweet thing! I've never met you but I give you a big hug :grouphug

Cody-sounds like you're doing the best out of everyone. Maybe you can share your meds with Kylie.

Ellie-Don't chew on the nice dark wood furniture tooo much when Mom's not looking okay?

[Milo's Mom]

Mr. Cody Boy is well on his way to recovery. I've been weaning him off the meds and today is his first full day with NO meds at all. He has been zipping around his cage using all 4 legs and feet. He took several laps throughout the house while I was cleaning his cage and now he is in his cage out on the deck getting some fresh air. I am going to go get the release cage cleaned up and ready for some fresh branches & Cody. I am thinking that I will keep him in the house for a few another day or so since he is newly off the meds just so I can keep a close eye on him, then on Monday afternoon/evening he gets to inspect his new digs in the release cage and come Friday, his portal to the world will be opened, again.

Does this sound like a reasonable plan or will he need some additional time in the house and/or in the release cage?
Although, he's welcome to stay home with Mom as long as he would like.:Love_Icon :D

[stepnstone]

Sounds like a good plan to me so far. As for opening the portal on Friday, you'll know if you'll want to proceed with that after having him under observation in the release cage.

:poke How is Kylie boy doing so far? Is he still having to wear his "clown collar"?

[Milo's Mom]

Sounds like a good plan to me so far. As for opening the portal on Friday, you'll know if you'll want to proceed with that after having him under observation in the release cage.

:poke How is Kylie boy doing so far? Is he still having to wear his "clown collar"?

Kylie Girl is such a trooper. Yes, she still has space puppy look going on (clown collar). Her ear is still draining too. The collar has to stay on for a total of 14 days and the drain is in for 30 days. We go back to the vet for a check up on Monday.

[stepnstone]

:poke What's the word on Cody?

[pappy1264]

Ummm, watch the weather, is Irene going to be anywhere near you? If so, I would hold off even putting him outside until that passes to be safe.

[Milo's Mom]

Yeah, if it's not one thing it's another. I was holding off a few days to see what Irene was going to do. I did not want him to be out in that mess when he could be safe in here with Mommy. So, Cody's move outside has been slightly delayed. I sure hope I am not pushing it with the cool weather coming...new timeline puts him out in the trees the end of the week of Labor Day. Although, we do normally have pretty decent weather through the end of October and sometimes into mid/late November...at least heat stroke will not be a concern.:shakehead

[Milo's Mom]

Mr. Cody is out of the house and in the release cage. He went into the release cage on Tuesday evening. BUT, now there is another small issue...please see the following thread:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30142