URGENT**RELAPSE-LETHARGIC W/ RUNNY NOSE

[Tara]

Little Girl has had a relapse. Woke up this morning and she was still in her bag...she is lethargic all over again with runny nose and seemingly distressed breathing. No clicking in chest...just fast breathing and a very slight wheeze...
Her last dose of metro is due this morning. I am also supposed to give her a second round of capstar today and tomorrow.
She has been eating okay...but no block. She gnaws on monkey biscuits here and there, but I doubt it's enough to count. I've been giving her water, yogurt, romaine lettuce, grape tomatoes, artichoke, and avocado. I've also been pushing calcium every day-tums -500 mg. She hates it..and slings some of it out of her mouth, but I've been getting a good bit in.
She's urinating and pooping fine.
I put syrup on her gums this morning. No change.
I have made pedialyte and have tums ready in front of me...should I start? She's not dehydrated, and I can't think of anything bad she could have eaten.
HHB's and calcium should arrive today from Leigh....
PLEASE HELP!!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AT THIS POINT!

Oh, and there is still a small "lump" in her tummy under her breast...concerned about that too!

Link to previous thread...a week ago....
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29163

[astra]

oh Gosh!...
I'll try contacting some ppl.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Tara]

Just syringed her some tums...the white came into her eyes from stress. :( Poor baby.

Could it be too cold in the house for her? She's been inside all week though

[SammysMom]

Oh dear! Prayers and healing thoughts until the experts arrive! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Tara]

Thank you astra and Sammysmom!

[Nancy in New York]

Sorry, I am not familiar with this baby, and I have to run out in a little while. Put a rice buddy in with her. 1 Cup uncooked rice in a sock and tied at the top. Put it in the microwave for ~1 minute.
If this is MBD push the calcium. Will she take ensure? They make a pecan flavor that most squirrels love.

[Tara]

Sorry, I am not familiar with this baby, and I have to run out in a little while. Put a rice buddy in with her. 1 Cup uncooked rice in a sock and tied at the top. Put it in the microwave for ~1 minute.
If this is MBD push the calcium. Will she take ensure? They make a pecan flavor that most squirrels love.

She's bundled in daddy's arms right now, in fleece. I have her heating pad waiting for her when he puts her down. I've never tried ensure...does it give the calcium? Or is it to mix the calcium in?
Thanks Nancy

[Tara]

THIS IS THE INFO FROM PREVIOUS THREAD A WEEK AGO.............JUST PUSHED MORE TUMS AND MORE WHITE IN EYES FROM STRESS. SHE'S ON HEATING PAD. :( NOT MOVING AROUND...VERY LETHARGIC.Background: Raised 3 siblings from 2 weeks old. Now a little over 7 mths. Little Girl has been lethargic at least 4 different times over the past month or two. We give her smz, push fluids, homemade pedialyte, and tums and rub sugar on gums...she's fine in a day or so. Most of the time we conclude that it must have been something she ate.

BTW-the other two siblings are free in the trees. Little Girl is most days. Every few nights or so, she chooses to come back in with us. Seems like she catches up on eating and rest, and goes back out for a couple of days. She comes in around 5 or 6 and wakes us up around 7 to let her out. She's built 4 nests that we know of. Others keep taking them from her. She's happy, but comes to us daily for her romaine lettuce and pecans. Over the past week, she has gnawed on a monkey biscuit occasionally. Other than that...she won't eat any veggies or fruits. I've been assuming that she's getting what she needs in the wild.


Current Symptoms:
severely lethargic...hasn't gotten up all day.
sleeping curled up
pooped on herself through the night. I stimulated her today and she pooped a whole lot. Her urine looks okay. Her poop is black (normally is) and has small somethings in it...not sure what it is.
noise in nose-thinking sign of pain
just started with white fluid in her eye

Difference from other times and this time: white fluid in eye, noise in nose, poop having something in it...and a couple of days ago I noticed that she had two lumps under her skin at her lowest nipples. Today, I don't feel them. I thought she may be pregnant? If they're there...it's not prominant like it was.

Treatments so far:
homemade pedialyte by syringe
tums by syringe
rubbed syrup on gums
she did eat some romaine lettuce while being held and a couple of bites of a grape

Have on hand: 1/2 tramadol (need dosage info -she weights 1.28 lbs) and metro pills. Also have amoxicillin.

Possibility of teeth being too long or diabetes??? NOT SURE>>>>just thinking.... and she LOVES licking salt/sweat off of hat

Please help us!

[astra]

She's bundled in daddy's arms right now, in fleece. I have her heating pad waiting for her when he puts her down. I've never tried ensure...does it give the calcium? Or is it to mix the calcium in?
Thanks Nancy
I don't remember what is written on Ensure, but I am sure there should be nutritional information - you can check it to see if there is calcium. I'd assume that there should be some calcium since it is sort of a meal replacement kind of thing.
However, since your baby is MBD, I'd think that you still need to push calcium regularly between feedings (however you've been doing it before). That's what Nancy meant, probably.
If she doesn't like it, maybe, you could mix it with something she likes?... e.g., a bit of apple sauce or something like that?... unsweetened, of course.

I am just thinking... since she has not been eating block, maybe, she wasn't getting all the nutrients she needed and that resulted in this relapse (since she is MBD?).... but again, I don't know... just thinking... it might be completely something different.

I've sent PMs to a few experienced ppl.
Let's wait.
In the meantime, do try Ensure and calcium in between... I don't know about mixing tums in Ensure, but, then... I don't see why not...:dono :thinking

[Tara]

I don't remember what is written on Ensure, but I am sure there should be nutritional information - you can check it to see if there is calcium. I'd assume that there should be some calcium since it is sort of a meal replacement kind of thing.
However, since your baby is MBD, I'd think that you still need to push calcium regularly between feedings (however you've been doing it before). That's what Nancy meant, probably.
If she doesn't like it, maybe, you could mix it with something she likes?... e.g., a bit of apple sauce or something like that?... unsweetened, of course.

I am just thinking... since she has not been eating block, maybe, she wasn't getting all the nutrients she needed and that resulted in this relapse (since she is MBD?).... but again, I don't know... just thinking... it might be completely something different.

I've sent PMs to a few experienced ppl.
Let's wait.
In the meantime, do try Ensure and calcium in between... I don't know about mixing tums in Ensure, but, then... I don't see why not...:dono :thinking

Sorry, my mind isn't quite all there this morning. Severe headache-again. You're right.. It's probably for the nutrition, not calcium. I'll have to go get some of the Ensure. I don't have any here. Thanks for msging help! :)

[CritterMom]

You can add the calcium to the ensure and to just about everything your squirrel eats for a while.

I know it is counter-intuitive, this being summer, but do continue to offer her a heating pad under her sleeping area. It seems to soothe the bones of the MBD squirrels.

Ensure is packed with calories and all kinds of nutrients - it is sweet and most of them like the taste which makes it a good emergency food.

[Tara]

HER BREATHING IS VERY QUICK AND WHISTLING NOISE COMING OUT OF HER NOSE. VERY LIGHT NOISE, BUT THERE. :(

[Tara]

CONTINUES TO MOVE OFF OF HEAT.

[Tara]

sent squaddy out for some ensure. LG hasn't moved. Rapid breathing. My heart is breaking.... :(

[stepnstone]

I hope someone comes on soon that can give you more help, praying your baby pulls through this. :grouphug

[CritterMom]

The runny nose with rapid breathing...

Do you have any antibiotics? I know you have had her on metro - I mean do you have any SMZ-TMP or Baytril or anything? Where do you live? Are you near any of the rehabbers?

Do you have any Rescue Remedy? It is wonderful for stress - just spray a little on the bottoms of her feet.

[Scooterzmom]

I'm so, so sorry to hear of Little Girl's issues. Poor sweet darling... my thoughts and prayers are with you both.

The white liquid in the eyes are tears - from what I read here on TSB somewhere before. She may be in pain, or fearful. Talk to her, stroke her if she likes stroking, reassure her, sing to her... whatever it takes... it will help distract her attention from the pain. Whenever an animal is sick - especially a wild one - it is very stressful for them. If you do have some Rescue remedy you give her some, it will help relieve the stress.

She probably came back to you whenever she's been feeling sick or hurt. She feels loved, and more secure with you - in the wild she'd have to pretend she's OK or else the predators would pounce on her before she could know it. It's an incredible gift of love she's giving you... to trust you with her life. My heart goes out to you both. :grouphug

[mpetys]

I'm so sorry to hear that Little Girl is having problems again. I'm not much help but I can agree with CritterMom about the Rescue Remedy. It has worked wonders for me when I had squirrels that were under stress. I'll keep you and Little Girl in my thoughts and prayers. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Tara]

The runny nose with rapid breathing...

Do you have any antibiotics? I know you have had her on metro - I mean do you have any SMZ-TMP or Baytril or anything? Where do you live? Are you near any of the rehabbers?

Do you have any Rescue Remedy? It is wonderful for stress - just spray a little on the bottoms of her feet.

No SMZ...only a small bit of baytril..not nearly enough to dose for more than a day or so. I'm in SC...not close to any rehabbers unfortunately. I was able to get her to take 2cc's of the pecan flavored ensure. She seems to be peeing a lot...????

[Tara]

Thanks for everyone's kindness and prayers. :)

[Tara]

only able to get her to take 2 more cc's of ensure. When I picked her up, the side of her mouth that she was laying on was wet. Not sure if it's vomit or not. Not really any color to it. Wetness about the size of a quarter...almost.

[CritterMom]

I haven't read back - have you been giving her any sort of rehydration fluid? If not, start now. Just do the homemade stuff - 1 teaspoon salt, 3 Tablespoons sugar 1 quart water and syringe it into her. Forget the ensure and see what straight rehydration does for the next couple hours.

[4skwerlz]

Any chance she could have gotten overheated outside?

Praying she recovers...:grouphug

[Pierre]

What other antibiotics can you get, from friends, family, anyone? You would probably only need just one unused pill. Her breathing issues sound like pneumonia or something and she most likely really needs antibiotics.

Call around and ask everyone you know. Her breathing is more important to focus on right now over mbd. Pneumonia can kill quickly. I don't say that to scare you but to emphasize how life-threatening this is, and remind that you often have little time when the symptoms get bad.

Call everyone.

:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

What other antibiotics can you get, from friends, family, anyone? You would probably only need just one unused pill. Her breathing issues sound like pneumonia or something and she most likely really needs antibiotics.

Call around and ask everyone you know. Her breathing is more important to focus on right now over mbd. Pneumonia can kill quickly. I don't say that to scare you but to emphasize how life-threatening this is, and remind that you often have little time when the symptoms get bad.

Call everyone.

:grouphug


Good thought, even if they are for human consumption, we can dose it.:thumbsup

[Tara]

Any chance she could have gotten overheated outside?

Praying she recovers...:grouphug

Not today...She's been inside since last Sunday night. :( We just got the mail-she's trying to attempt to eat the block, but then drops her head. She's very weak.

[Tara]

What other antibiotics can you get, from friends, family, anyone? You would probably only need just one unused pill. Her breathing issues sound like pneumonia or something and she most likely really needs antibiotics.

Call around and ask everyone you know. Her breathing is more important to focus on right now over mbd. Pneumonia can kill quickly. I don't say that to scare you but to emphasize how life-threatening this is, and remind that you often have little time when the symptoms get bad.

Call everyone.

:grouphug

I have powdered amoxicillin. I know it's a no no...but if it would help with respiratory/pneumonia, I can go get it. I'll have to find out the detailed info on it, as it's been months since I used it.

She just finished up 7 days of metro....would that not have helped? Or it doesn't work for that?

[SammysMom]

Did you try hydration yet? It is so horrible how much dehydration can do and how fast it can come on. Is it possible that she is dehydrated?

[Tara]

Did you try hydration yet? It is so horrible how much dehydration can do and how fast it can come on. Is it possible that she is dehydrated?

she shouldn't be dehydrated unless it's been happening since today. all this week she's been doing pretty well. I've had her in the house to continue meds, and she hasn't been in the heat at all. wondering if it's too cold in here? it's 74....she's on a heating pad now though....

[CritterMom]

If she doesn't feel well she may stop or slow down drinking, which dehydrates them, which makes them not want any food or water, which dehydrates them more. You can NEVER go wrong with giving dehydration and I absolutely would be doing it now.

[Pierre]

I have powdered amoxicillin. I know it's a no no...but if it would help with respiratory/pneumonia, I can go get it. I'll have to find out the detailed info on it, as it's been months since I used it.

She just finished up 7 days of metro....would that not have helped? Or it doesn't work for that?


Amoxicillin is not a no-no. It is an excellent drug for respiratory infections. It can however be tough on their gut flora [and for this reason it might not be the first pick], and you would need to give her some benebac [sold at pet stores] to help replenish her beneficial gut flora. But if you have it, let's dose it.

Private Message CritterMom though, she might have some thoughts.

[Tara]

If she doesn't feel well she may stop or slow down drinking, which dehydrates them, which makes them not want any food or water, which dehydrates them more. You can NEVER go wrong with giving dehydration and I absolutely would be doing it now.

ran upstairs to get pedialyte and heat it....grabbed a pack of crackers for me...LG wanted one. she's licking the salt off of it. getting ready to push more fluids.
she's so pitiful. she can't even stand up.

[Pierre]

ran upstairs to get pedialyte and heat it....grabbed a pack of crackers for me...LG wanted one. she's licking the salt off of it. getting ready to push more fluids.
she's so pitiful. she can't even stand up.

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Don't let her give up....:Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

Didn't you say earlier in this post that you had Baytril?

That she is licking salt tells me that she needs that rehydration fluid.

[SammysMom]

Lots of urine output + low fluid input = could certainly end in dehydration. Somehow when little bodies aren't feeling up to par they seem to get dehydrated ssoooo easily. Nothing to do with not being a great squammy, which you are!:grouphug

[Tara]

she sounds like she's trying to vomit!!!!1

[Tara]

I do have baytril. She didn't vomit, but sounded like she was. Wet heave of sorts? Got 2.5 ccs of pedialyte into her. Lots of urine output...you're right.
No info on baytril other than it's in a clear syringe marked baytril. sibling was allergic to it. not sure if that matters.
also have amox suspension powder form. 250 mg for feline...expired...but have it.

[CritterMom]

OK, try giving her just 1cc at a time. You don't want her to vomit - it will dehydrate her further. Slow and steady.

[SammysMom]

1cc of the pedi, right CM?

[Tara]

ok. will lessen the pedialyte. oops. every 15 mins or so, right?

[CritterMom]

Yeah, just a little at a time. If you don't see any more of the gagging thing, you can give her more and space them out a bit longer so she can rest some, too.

[Tara]

spoke to a fairly local rehabber (don't know her) who told me to look this up...said it sounded like this may be the problem. pm if any suggestions/opinions...
Pasteurella multocidaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Pasteurella
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Bacteria
Phylum: Proteobacteria
Class: Gamma Proteobacteria
Order: Pasteurellales
Family: Pasteurellaceae
Genus: Pasteurella
Species
Pasteurella multocida


Pasteurella multocida is a Gram-negative, non-motile coccobacillus that is penicillin-sensitive and belongs to the Pasteurellaceae family [1]. It can cause a zoonotic infection in humans, which typically is a result of bites or scratches from domestic pets. Many mammals and fowl harbor it as part of their normal respiratory microbiota, displaying asymptomatic colonization.

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Disease
3 Virulence, culturing, and metabolism
4 Treatment
5 References
6 External links


[edit] HistoryPasteurella multocida was first found in 1878 in fowl cholera-infected birds. However, it was not isolated until 1880, by Louis Pasteur - the man in whose honor Pasteurella is named.[2]

[edit] DiseaseSee: Pasteurellosis
P. multocida is the most common cause of infection from animal injuries (pneumonia in cattle and pigs, atrophic rhinitis in pigs and goats, and wound infections after dog/cat-bites.) A high leukocyte and neutrophil count is typically observed, leading to an inflammatory reaction at the infection site (generally a diffuse localized cellulitis).[3] It can also infect other locales, such as the respiratory tract. In more serious cases, a bacteremia can result, causing an osteomyelitis or endocarditis. The bacteria may also cross the blood-brain barrier and cause meningitis.[4]

[edit] Virulence, culturing, and metabolismA bacteriophage encodes the toxin responsible for most P. multocida virulence factors. This toxin activates Rho GTPases, which bind and hydrolyze GTP, and are important in actin stress fiber formation. Formation of stress fibers may aid in the endocytosis of P. multocida. The host cell cycle is also modulated by the toxin, which can act as an intracellular mitogen.[5]
P. multocida will grow at 37 degrees Celsius on blood or chocolate agar, but will not grow on MacConkey agar. Colony growth is accompanied by a characteristic "mousy" odor due to metabolic products.
Being a facultative anaerobe, it is oxidase-positive and catalase-positive, and can also ferment a large number carbohydrates in anaerobic conditions.[6]

[edit] TreatmentThis bacterium can be effectively treated with beta-lactam antibiotics, which inhibit cell wall synthesis. It can also be treated with fluoroquinolones or tetracyclines; fluoroquinolones inhibit bacterial DNA synthesis and tetracyclines interfere with protein synthesis by binding to the bacterial 30S ribosomal subunit. Despite poor in vitro susceptibility results, macrolides (binding to the ribosome) also can be applied certainly in the case of pulmonary complications. Because P. multocida is most often acquired as a result of an animal bite (primarily by cats), infections are frequently polymicrobial and involve anaerobic bacteria. As a result, amoxicillin-clavulanate (a beta-lactamase inhibitor/penicillin combination) is seen as the treatment of choice.[7]


and here's a bit more she told me to read....white stuff in eyes is one of LG's symptoms...stess...but there...runny nose too

Pasturella multocida, also refereed to as Snuffles, is a highly contagious respiratory disease most common in domestic rabbits. According to a research article by Julian naturalist, Clint Powell, it is characterized by sneezing and snorting and a yellowish to whitish discharge from the eyes or both. The infection can apparently extend into the middle ear resulting in wry neck, head tilt and loss of balance. Needless to say, loss of balance would be catastrophic to the high flying Gray Squirrel. Since approximately 1990-95 the Gray Squirrel population in Cuyamaca and Julian has plummeted to virtually no sightings reported. During this period Gray Squirrels have abounded on Palomar Mountain. As recently as 1998, squirrels were an everyday sighting in the forests. Since the start of the 1999 school year till the present, I have seen only one Gray Squirrel in the State Park or the rest of the mountain for that matter. It was a sickly individual sitting on the roadside one day.

Apparently this bacteria can be hosted by rodents as well as rabbits and is found in the nares of the nose. It is passed through direct contact from one individual to another. The bacteria count rises when there is increased stress levels in individuals. Who knows what stress factors could be coming into play here?

[Tara]

BUT I'M NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THIS LOCATION....LOL

[Jackie in Tampa]

tara...you're right..sounds like pasturellosis...SMZ'TMP
Clavamox
baytril,
it's at lilidukes...also clavamox..I know it's 2 hours...but...
:grouphug

[Tara]

tara...you're right..sounds like pasturellosis...SMZ'TMP
Clavamox
baytril,
it's at lilidukes...also clavamox..I know it's 2 hours...but...
:grouphug

k. i have a bit of baytril here...thinking i'll start her on it.....hope she's not allergic, as papa was. I should be getting some smz tomorrow. I'll have to switch her to that, as I don't have enough baytril for a full regimen. Thanks!

[Anne]

Tara, LG needs Penicillin G or Baytril (if not allergic), SMZ-TMP. Penicillin G is available at the Tractor Supply store. Keep her hydrated, let us know what ABX you get for her-we can dose. Sounds like she is having difficulty breathing-one nostril may be completely blocked, keep everything she comes in contact with clean and disinfected. Got to get her over this it can come back unless knocked out completely.

[UDoWhat]

Tara, LG needs Penicillin G or Baytril (if not allergic), SMZ-TMP. Penicillin G is available at the Tractor Supply store. Keep her hydrated, let us know what ABX you get for her-we can dose. Sounds like she is having difficulty breathing-one nostril may be completely blocked, keep everything she comes in contact with clean and disinfected. Got to get her over this it can come back unless knocked out completely.
I would start her right away on one of the above meds. Please do this tonight. If using the amox. it is fine for this type of infection. Would give as others have suggested with Benebac to protect her tummy. I have dealt with this pasturellosis in the past. Needs immediate action. :grouphug

[Tara]

We've started her on smz. Got some mushrooms, but she won't eat them. She ate the green off of a couple of leaves of romaine lettuce. Getting those meds in was NOT easy!
Any other suggestions? Will disinfect tomorrow morning, hopefully she will feel better. Bought more fleece when I went to town so I should have enough to trade out after I get it washed.
Anything that will help...please tell me. She is very very sick and we don't want to lose her!!!

[Tara]

I'm afraid to push a lot of fluids, as I think it has been coming back up. :( I should continue the homemade pedialyte only, or do the ensure as well? Can't be much...I don't want her to lose her meds....

[UDoWhat]

I'm afraid to push a lot of fluids, as I think it has been coming back up. :( I should continue the homemade pedialyte only, or do the ensure as well? Can't be much...I don't want her to lose her meds....
Stay with homemade fluids for a few more hours. Is she keeping the home made stuff down? Poor baby. If she wants to eat go ahead and offer her something. Just little bits, if she does not throw them up, that is. Maybe Ensure later or early morning.

Marty

[UDoWhat]

If nothing else just try to keep fluids in her. She can't get dehydrated. If she doesn't want to take the homemade fluids, you can try plain water, apple juice, watered down or not. If she is throwing up, can you do subq fluids. Do you have the necessary supplies? You would need sterile fluids and syringes and needles.

Marty

[Tara]

If nothing else just try to keep fluids in her. She can't get dehydrated. If she doesn't want to take the homemade fluids, you can try plain water, apple juice, watered down or not. If she is throwing up, can you do subq fluids. Do you have the necessary supplies? You would need sterile fluids and syringes and needles.

Marty

Okay. She drank a little water out of her glass. I also was able to get her to drink some pedialyte...only 1cc though.
As far as vomiting, I have not actually seen her do it...but when I pick her up, it's wet on the side she's been laying on. This hasn't happened the last few times she's been given water/pedialyte though-so I'm hoping by giving her small amts she'll be ok.
If I have to subq...I'll need detailed instructions and don't have any sterile fluids. What do you use? I have a couple of needles that go onto the tip of these syringes. Hoping it isn't necessary, but go ahead and give info if you have time...just in case. :dono

[mpetys]

Been thinking about your Little Girl and just wanted to check in and let you know that. I pray that she shows improvement through the night. The only suggestion I can offer is to ask if you have a rice buddy for her? I read that Nancy in New York suggested that and you had replied that you had a heating pad for her. You can use both. I know when any of mine were ill, having a rice buddy in addition to the heating pad was a good thing. It's one thing to need the heat and to have it underneath their cage, but it is another thing to have this warm, plump sock that you can cuddle up to. I have had some that will climb on top of the rice buddy and sleep on top of it to get that warmth on their belly. It's just nice to have in there if they want it.

[UDoWhat]

Ok, First you must have sterile fluids. You can get those from the Vet. The most commonly used fluid is Lactated Ringers (LR) or Normal Saline0.9%. Either or can be used orally too. To subq fluids in mammals;
* Tent up the skin along the animals back usually between the shoulder blades. Pinch the skin between your thumb and other fingers.
*Use sites from the shoulders to the rump.
* Depending on the size of the animal (squirrel adult size) I would only put 10cc's of fluids in any single site of an adult squirrel.( You will need to put your finger over the site of the injection for a few seconds so the fluids don't just run right out.) Sorry getting ahead of myself
*In the "tent" of the squirrels skin of his back insert the needle at a 45 degree angle, parallel to the squirrel's back, bezel up(Hole of needle). Go in the tent at this angle so if the squirrel moves during the injection it will not go straight in or in the muscle.
*When the needle is inserted at an angle, most people pull back on the syringe to be sure no blood comes back inside the syringe. This way you know you have not accidentally hit a vein. No blood= no vein. You are going just under the skin, not trying to go deep or in a vein.
* Once in the skin, steadily push the fluids out of the syringe. (About 10 cc's, I would say) It will begin to fill up like a bubble. Now when you remove the needle, put your finger over the injection site. Squirrels skin hide is very tuff.( You will need a 20 gauge needle or so. I use 20-23 gauge needle because that is what I have. Some use 18-19 gauge. They look so big around to me. Others may advise as to size. My Vet gave me some 19's to use) Scary looking big to me. The bubble should completely absorb before giving more fluids. I would only subq fluids 2-3 x per day if really needed badly.
It is not hard. If you can, Google "How to subq fluids" or something like that . You can watch a video of the process.
Now, if she is drinking on her own that is a better route of delivery of fluids, by mouth, that is. I will check in the morning and see how you are doing. I hope you have a good night. Will pray for a good night. :grouphug Just thought I would type the instructions in case we need them.

Marty

[Kikiboo]

Oh Tara... poor Little Girl - such a big problem for such a little fuzzle and her wonderful Squammy. :(

I'm not an expert by any means, but when I read the symptoms I thought of Pasteurella m...:thinking a squirrel 'friend' had problems with hers that sounded similar... I suggested to go with the PenG route for Pasteurella (her sweetyface was in a bad way). It took a few days, but she began to bounce back and after 3 weeks seemed good as new.

I'm praying for you and LG... CMfairy Good St. Francis, you loved all of God's creatures. To you they were your brothers and sisters. Help us to follow your example of treating every living thing with kindness.St. Francis, Patron Saint of animals, watch over this beloved creature and keep my friend safe and healthy. Amen. (It sure can't hurt... :donno )

I so hope she is stable overnight until you can begin a more vigorous treatment.

Oh my gosh.. I feel so bad for you hun. It's going to be okay... you have many wonderful helpers and loving support here. :grouphug

[Kikiboo]

:thinking could it be Bordetella?? :thinking ... :dono
I can't stop thinking of this little sweety... :(

[SquirrelNut]

Tara, I have been so worried all day and night about your LG! I couldn't get the two of you off of my mind!

I hope you are able to get the correct meds into her and get her on the road to recovery!

My heart just ached for you yesterday!

Sending you my thoughts and prayers to all of you!:grouphug

Our best,

Dana and Nos

[equine623]

Tara,
I was out of town yesterday, I'm so sorry to hear of this. Let us know how she is this morning and take care of yourself too!! :grouphug

Jill, CVT

[Jackie in Tampa]

Tara, I have been so worried all day and night about your LG! I couldn't get the two of you off of my mind!

I hope you are able to get the correct meds into her and get her on the road to recovery!

My heart just ached for you yesterday!

Sending you my thoughts and prayers to all of you!:grouphug

Our best,

Dana and Nos
us too:Love_Icon

[astra]

Tara, I have been so worried all day and night about your LG! I couldn't get the two of you off of my mind!

I hope you are able to get the correct meds into her and get her on the road to recovery!

My heart just ached for you yesterday!

Sending you my thoughts and prayers to all of you!:grouphug

Our best,

Dana and Nos
:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[SammysMom]

Just checking in to see how LG and her Squammy are...:grouphug

[pappy1264]

How is little girl doing? I think she needs subq's at that this point. While out, any chance she got into something toxic?

[momma2boo]

Following LG and you ... praying for a full recovery.

[Tara]

Hey everyone. LG is feeling some better today. Her eyes aren't as weak and for about an hour this morning she acted absolutely fine. Now she's back in her bag not feeling great, but she's much better than yesterday. I'll update again when I can. Thanks to everyone!

[SammysMom]

Sounds like calcium an hydration are helping, yeah!!!:thumbsup
Maybe viral too so it might be running ts course. Whatever it is, I am so happy for both of you! I never discount the power of TSB prayers an healing thought either! Good job one and all!!!

[CritterMom]

Hey everyone. LG is feeling some better today. Her eyes aren't as weak and for about an hour this morning she acted absolutely fine. Now she's back in her bag not feeling great, but she's much better than yesterday. I'll update again when I can. Thanks to everyone!


Keep up the extra hysration and the meds and the supportive care and hopefully she will be on the mend. I know it is nice to see her acting normally but try to keep her from over taxing herself.

To keep her hydration up, instead of the salt/sugar solution, she might like water with a little apple juice. Oh, I do hope she keeps improving!

[UDoWhat]

Keep up the extra hysration and the meds and the supportive care and hopefully she will be on the mend. I know it is nice to see her acting normally but try to keep her from over taxing herself.

To keep her hydration up, instead of the salt/sugar solution, she might like water with a little apple juice. Oh, I do hope she keeps improving!
What she said and keep her on the Abs. for at least 5-7 days. So glad she is better. Let us know as you have time. :grouphug

[Tara]

Trying to get everything bleached and washed...

So, if this is pasteurella...that means my other two are out there possibly sick or passed? :( :shakehead

And does that mean that Little Girl can't be released here? :thinking

[Tara]

is pasteurella and bordetella about the same? I was reading about bordetella in the ailments section, and this also sounds like her, but she's not coughing at all.
She's still doing much better, but I think she may be getting dehydrated a little all over again. I've been offering water with juice and ensure, but undoubtedly she's not taking in enough of it. I'm going to have to start back syringing it to her.
Should I just do plain water since I gave her homemade pedialyte all day yesterday?

[Gina]

Just chiming in to add my prayers to Little Girls recovery:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon .

[Tara]

Just chiming in to add my prayers to Little Girls recovery:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon .

Thank you Gina. I was just reading about your little rattie that was found. I hope it's okay. Poor thing!

[CritterMom]

is pasteurella and bordetella about the same? I was reading about bordetella in the ailments section, and this also sounds like her, but she's not coughing at all.
She's still doing much better, but I think she may be getting dehydrated a little all over again. I've been offering water with juice and ensure, but undoubtedly she's not taking in enough of it. I'm going to have to start back syringing it to her.
Should I just do plain water since I gave her homemade pedialyte all day yesterday?


Yes, plain water or if she turns her nose up add a splash of apple juice.

[Tara]

Yes, plain water or if she turns her nose up add a splash of apple juice.
Bad thing is that I've been offering it with the juice already, and she's not taking enough in. I'll just have to push...
Hope I get can around subqing.

BTW- you should see me syringing the pecan flavored ensure to her...we BOTH end up with it all over us...and the meds are the same way!!! You should see the hold I have to get on her so that she can't sling her head around. She doesn't like me being the boss-but when I put it in a bowl...she won't touch it either. Weird squirrel. LOL!

[CritterMom]

Did she like the rehudration fluid? Make up a batch with half of the salt but the same sugar amount. If you have to do this for several days just keep cutting the salt until it is gone.

[Tara]

Right now, she doesn't like anything other than romaine lettuce (has to be the small inside pieces) and grape tomatoes...and she ate about half of a block today. That's it. Couple pieces of lettuce, 2 or 3 grape tomatoes...all day. And she keeps trying to get out of the room because she wants a pecan! I gave in and gave her a few cheerios. As soon as she's doing better, I'm going to go back to the tough love and restart with blocks only.

I'm offering apple, avocado, sweet potato, baby bella mushrooms, carrot, artichoke, broccoli and romaine lettuce. Out of cucumbers and squash at the moment...mine aren't ready to be picked yet..have to get more from the store I guess...

But Ill try the fluids and lessen the salt as we go...Maybe it'll be easier than the other? :)

[UDoWhat]

is pasteurella and bordetella about the same? I was reading about bordetella in the ailments section, and this also sounds like her, but she's not coughing at all.
She's still doing much better, but I think she may be getting dehydrated a little all over again. I've been offering water with juice and ensure, but undoubtedly she's not taking in enough of it. I'm going to have to start back syringing it to her.
Should I just do plain water since I gave her homemade pedialyte all day yesterday?

I would do plain water if she will do it. It is very good for all of us and for your Little Girl. The juice and Ensure for some added nutrition would be good too. Do you still have Fox valley? You could offer that also.
Yes, Pasteurella and Bordetella have very similar symptoms. I have had to have cultures and sensitivity studies done on squirrels with these symptoms to know what I am dealing with, especially if I have had many squirrels exposed to sick ones before the symptoms were apparent. Different bug... very similar symptoms and courses of action. How is Little Girl tonight? Try not to worry about the others. I know this is easier said than done.

:grouphug :grouphug Marty

[Tara]

I would do plain water if she will do it. It is very good for all of us and for your Little Girl. The juice and Ensure for some added nutrition would be good too. Do you still have Fox valley? You could offer that also.
Yes, Pasteurella and Bordetella have very similar symptoms. I have had to have cultures and sensitivity studies done on squirrels with these symptoms to know what I am dealing with, especially if I have had many squirrels exposed to sick ones before the symptoms were apparent. Different bug... very similar symptoms and courses of action. How is Little Girl tonight? Try not to worry about the others. I know this is easier said than done.

:grouphug :grouphug Marty

Try not to worry about the others. I know this is easier said than done.

I'm afraid that this is a nice way of saying yes to my previous post. :(

What are the different courses of action? I thought I read smz was good for both? Is it not? :sanp3
I'm going to give her some fluids. Still pondering in this little brain of mine about what she has and what I should do for now and in the future. :dono
What's it caused by? Bites? and then spread through direct contact with other animals that were in contact with one bitten?
I need to do more reading...sorry. I'll try to research it. There's a part of me that's just not satisfied "not knowing" what she actually has....

Oh...I misread your post...similar courses of action....oops! :)

[Nancy in New York]

Will he eat watermelon? That has lots of fluids in it...:thinking

[Tara]

Will he eat watermelon? That has lots of fluids in it...:thinking

nope...nor blueberries or strawberries. Tried it all. Still have all 3 in freezer for outside squirrels since she wouldn't eat it. Tried it fresh and frozen. PICKY PICKY PICKY. :) I am too..so I can't say much. hahaha

[UDoWhat]

Try not to worry about the others. I know this is easier said than done.

I'm afraid that this is a nice way of saying yes to my previous post. :(

What are the different courses of action? I thought I read smz was good for both? Is it not? :sanp3
I'm going to give her some fluids. Still pondering in this little brain of mine about what she has and what I should do for now and in the future. :dono
What's it caused by? Bites? and then spread through direct contact with other animals that were in contact with one bitten?
I need to do more reading...sorry. I'll try to research it. There's a part of me that's just not satisfied "not knowing" what she actually has....

Oh...I misread your post...similar courses of action....oops! :)
Tara, I think if the others were sick they too would have come home. Little girl did. I know she is a little different from the others but when they are sick, I believe they seek help from the humans they know will help them. Yes similar courses of action. I don't know where you are, but can you get or have Vet help? You can have a culture and sensitivity study done. The culture can still be done even after starting antibiotics. Some say no... but I have them done and I find out what I am dealing with and what drugs are best to beat it. I do a 24, 48 and 72 hour sensitivity test. After the first 24 hours the vet can tell you what drugs are showing promise to beat this. I do it all the time, if I have these symptoms. I will tell you that older squirrels have a better chance to beat this/ these bug/s. So 1 up for you and Little Girl. These two bugs can be passed from contact and also in the air. Even wearing the same clothing when handling a sick squirrel can pass it on. The problem is that they also have a 21 day incubation period. (I think both do) So I may get a baby in, showing no signs of sickness, then 3 weeks later after exposure to all others the trouble starts. I don't hold babies out in isolation for that long. I just can't. Also it is suggested that antibiotics be given for a full 14-21 days as a relapse can happen. As I said, try not to worry. Just treat her symptoms, hydration, antibiotics, love and care. You are doing great with her. Prayers for you both.

Marty

[Kikiboo]

So glad to hear she's holding her own... :D at least that's some good news for today. Hang in there Squammy-Tara; you're doing the best you can... keep it up, but make sure you get your rest too. :)

:peace , :Love_Icon , and Skippy...(the favourite among :squirrel1 s)


~~~:wave :wave :smilecolors :wave :wave~~~

.

[Tara]

So far today...it's like she's back to normal. Maybe a little more hyper/jumpy than her normal self...but good. She's mad at me and gave me the biggest fight ever when giving her meds this morning. She even grunted at me! Whatever makes her feel better... I'm just glad that she's not a biter. crossing fingers...
She's back to trying to eat the bedroom door, so she is definately improving. Oh, and flicking her tail because she wants outside. I normally give her a pecan in the mornings that she stays in (before she was sick) and open the window. She climbs down her rope and hides it, and goes in the woods for a day or three.

[Nancy in New York]

So far today...it's like she's back to normal. Maybe a little more hyper/jumpy than her normal self...but good. She's mad at me and gave me the biggest fight ever when giving her meds this morning. She even grunted at me! Whatever makes her feel better... I'm just glad that she's not a biter. crossing fingers...
She's back to trying to eat the bedroom door, so she is definately improving. Oh, and flicking her tail because she wants outside. I normally give her a pecan in the mornings that she stays in (before she was sick) and open the window. She climbs down her rope and hides it, and goes in the woods for a day or three.
:alright.gif :alright.gif :alright.gif Wonderful news....sure made my day!!!!!!!

[Tara]

:alright.gif :alright.gif :alright.gif Wonderful news....sure made my day!!!!!!!

Thank you Nancy!!! :) I'm so glad she's doing better. Now to make sure she doesn't relapse again. I'm thinking this must be what's been going on for over a month now. Weird thing is it seems like it always happens on a Sunday...
I dont know...I'll post more later....as I think I'm going back to bed.

Thanks everyone! :thankyou :grouphug

[mpetys]

So far today...it's like she's back to normal. Maybe a little more hyper/jumpy than her normal self...but good. She's mad at me and gave me the biggest fight ever when giving her meds this morning. She even grunted at me! Whatever makes her feel better... I'm just glad that she's not a biter. crossing fingers...
She's back to trying to eat the bedroom door, so she is definately improving. Oh, and flicking her tail because she wants outside. I normally give her a pecan in the mornings that she stays in (before she was sick) and open the window. She climbs down her rope and hides it, and goes in the woods for a day or three.

Oh Tara, this sounds great. I was glad to see this when I checked in. I have been so worried about Little Girl.

[CritterMom]

Just make sure little Miss I Feel Better takes the ENTIRE course of meds and I would do 7-10 days if I were you, given how she kept relapsing.

[Pierre]

Just make sure little Miss I Feel Better takes the ENTIRE course of meds and I would do 7-10 days if I were you, given how she kept relapsing.


:goodpost

[Kikiboo]

:D Good news! :thumbsup

[astra]

Just make sure little Miss I Feel Better takes the ENTIRE course of meds and I would do 7-10 days if I were you, given how she kept relapsing.
:goodpost what a good news!:thumbsup

[Jackie in Tampa]

Just make sure little Miss I Feel Better takes the ENTIRE course of meds and I would do 7-10 days if I were you, given how she kept relapsing.
Tara...this has been TOO ongoing...no way
jose`.....
a special angel got the magic to you fast...so you were able to help LG, now we will treat for 21 days ...no acception...no deviation....
twice a day...21 days...
i do not care what she eats, does, acts, color urine , day of the week, time of the day...or if obama tells you...
you will treat 21 days...we are done...
love you:wave123
can we please have an update.:grouphug

[SammysMom]

I'm not sure you were quite clear enough Jackie...:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
Maybe if you were a little more DIRECT it would be easier to know what to do...:D
:goodpost :goodpost :goodpost

[Jackie in Tampa]

I'm not sure you were quite clear enough Jackie...:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
Maybe if you were a little more DIRECT it would be easier to know what to do...:D
:goodpost :goodpost :goodpost
ugh...I know it:shakehead ... :peace :dono
I am not good with using soft sweet nice...I wish I were different...but I ain't!:peace
I have been down the same road and sometimes we really need to push the meds long term...this is from experience...

long story short...kick butt on the bad bugs! Making sure!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_12.gif
squash'em!

[astra]

Tara...this has been TOO ongoing...no way
jose`.....
a special angel got the magic to you fast...so you were able to help LG, now we will treat for 21 days ...no acception...no deviation....
twice a day...21 days...
i do not care what she eats, does, acts, color urine , day of the week, time of the day...or if obama tells you...you will treat 21 days...we are done...
love you:wave123
can we please have an update.:grouphug
:goodpost :goodpost :goodpost sorry, couldn't help - got a good laugh out of Jackie's style:D :grouphug

[Tara]

Tara...this has been TOO ongoing...no way
jose`.....
a special angel got the magic to you fast...so you were able to help LG, now we will treat for 21 days ...no acception...no deviation....
twice a day...21 days...
i do not care what she eats, does, acts, color urine , day of the week, time of the day...or if obama tells you...
you will treat 21 days...we are done...
love you:wave123
can we please have an update.:grouphug

YES MA'AM MISS JACKIE! LOL! :jump :jump
I'm just SO thankful everyone has cared so much and helped us along!!!!!!!!! SWEET ANGELS ARE LURKING EVERYWHERE ON TSB!!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!! U KNOW WHO U ARE!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

As far as an update, LG wants OUTSIDE!!!! She acts fine other than being a little jumpy (started when I vacuumed night before last-and last nights storm didn't help anything) and she is keeping herself more distant than usual. Example: not wanting to be held and snuggled and kissed on like she normally does.

Not to mention, I just came in from town and appointments, and I HAD to put her in a small cage while we were gone...and now she won't come out!!!!! That is SO NOT LIKE HER!!!! I don't know what her deal is...but she feels better. She's rubbing her teeth together a bit...and I'm hoping she didn't hurt herself while I was gone. She has been known to throw fits in that cage! I'm going to check on her and make her get out in a few. Had to come in and cool off a bit before we go through all of that. :) Okay...nevermind...she just made me a liar. She wants out. She seems fine. AND HER CLAWS ARE GETTING SHARPER AND SHARPER I DO BELIEVE!!!

Oh, and she's felt cool. Her body, nose, hands, feet, (paws...whatever). I've had the heating pad on-she won't stay on it...and I've made her a rice buddy-which she thinks is an alien and will have nothing to do with it!!!!

I'll keep her in and continue the meds for 21 days!!! I AGREE 200% that this needs to get out of her system!!!! POOR GIRL!!! LOVE TO ALL!~~

Tara

[Jackie in Tampa]

ABs are wonderful...stopping them early when sq appears to feel better is what I worry about...thank you for continuing them:D
I talked to Grinn yestereday, a biologist, she explained the difficulties in getting a good fecal...
it costs alot of money to have all the testing done...to truely diagnose any issue...so eliminating and treating for the symptoms is all we can do in most cases.
I am in a legal state and have boocue vets...they never do fecals...we treat and eliminate...

REMEMBER...when rehabbing sqs...WE ARE the eyes and ears and thoughts whenn our kids are sick...
we are all they have...so noting what they are doing and not doing is sooo important...
keep up the good work Tara! :bowdown and the meds!:D
Glad to share with you and LG!:Love_Icon

her teeth: bring in something to chew branch wise...
ty for update.
get well baby girl:grouphug

I know astra ...I was making a point ya think!:D

[UDoWhat]

ugh...I know it:shakehead ... :peace :dono
I am not good with using soft sweet nice...I wish I were different...but I ain't!:peace
I have been down the same road and sometimes we really need to push the meds long term...this is from experience...

long story short...kick butt on the bad bugs! Making sure!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_12.gif
squash'em!
Amen! to all she said. I have been down this road too. That first grade teacher gentle persuasion (ingrained in me) doesn't work so good all the time, perhaps. I hope Little Girl is doing better today. Let us know when you can. Scritches to LG:Love_and prayers for you both and the other little ones too.

[SammysMom]

Jackie I was enjoying your style! I walk through life in big boots to tromp my way through everything...lol :osnap
Carry on Sarge!!!:thumbsup

[astra]

How is she today?

[lilidukes]

Hi Tara and LG :wave123

I'm back home so let me know if I can help with anything. LG being cranky is good!

I got to watch jit write that 21 day post. Her body language matched the writing if you can image :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[astra]

I got to watch jit write that 21 day post. Her body language matched the writing if you can image :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl:rotfl :rotfl

[SquirrelNut]

Yes, Tara you better listen to JIT! You will definitely be in trouble if you do NOT! LOL:D

So very happy LG is doing so good. I was half afraid to open this thread before going to sleep!

Keep up the great work!:grouphug

[island rehabber]

Excellent save by Miss JIT on this one :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup.
I think we can safely move LG & Tara to Non Life-Threatening now.... still keeping a close watch on you guys, though!

[stepnstone]

#80 07-12-2011, 09:11 PM
[QUOTE=UDoWhat] The problem is that they also have a 21 day incubation period. (I think both do) So I may get a baby in, showing no signs of sickness, then 3 weeks later after exposure to all others the trouble starts. I don't hold babies out in isolation for that long. I just can't. Also it is suggested that antibiotics be given for a full 14-21 days as a relapse can happen.

#90 07-14-2011, 08:52 AM
[QUOTE=Jackie in Tampa]Tara...this has been TOO ongoing...no way jose`.....
a special angel got the magic to you fast...so you were able to help LG, now we will treat for 21 days ...no acception...no deviation....
twice a day...21 days...
i do not care what she eats, does, acts, color urine , day of the week, time of the day...or if obama tells you...
you will treat 21 days... we are done..

I'm really glad to hear LG is doing better! Sometimes I just hate to open certain threads afraid of what I'll read...
Humans have the same problem with themselves and their medications, they feel better, they quit taking their medication. Meanwhile the "bug" is still there and begins to gain a new stronghold. It's a vicious cycle that has to be completely broken!
Kudos to UDoWhat for her insight & recognition and Jackie in Tampa for her (screaming) reiteration! :D ~ Whatever it takes! :thumbsup

:beerchug Here's to your little girl and her continued recovery!

[Jackie in Tampa]

yes we do need an update tara...is she eating the couch yet...chewing the doors to get out...
I know sugarbear chewed everything wanting his freedom back...but he had to stay long enough to get the meds to make his life better... ya know..
feed her well...try to keep her busy...eek...
I was only saying so she would get well...sorry to sound so bossy...:sanp3

[Tara]

HI everyone! LG is doing well! :wahoo I think she's pretty bored, as she's sleeping a lot. I've had to place a casserole dish of water in front of the door so that she won't chew a hole in it. BAD BAD SQUIRREL!~ LOL! She wants upstairs to get pecans and cheerios...imagine that!
I've been busy with a yard sale for the past two days...so she hasn't been getting as much attention as usual. She's eating ohkayyyy...not the best though. I just keep offering, and hoping she'll eat those veggies! She's still eating the romaine and grape tomato pretty well. I've backed off the sweet potato, as she seems to really like it..but I think I remember too much can be toxic. She nibbles on artichoke leaves occasionally, and NO LONGER likes cucumbers-which used to be her favorite! She's picking through the HHB's, but I'm hoping she's getting what she needs. :dono
She's considering biting me now when I get ready to give her meds! :) I hope she decides against it. :sanp3 I have to wrap her up in fleece now to take the smz.

I've been reading through some of the previous posts, and haven't had time yet to respond, but am thankful that we're NOT IN the EMERGENCY section ANY LONGER!!!!!! HOORAY!!! Thanks for moving us IR!
Miss Jackie: You will be glad to know that we haven't missed a single dose of meds and don't plan to either!! :) I normally do pretty well with twice a day meds..but anymore than that can become an oopsie. hahaha Oh, and I do very well with bluntness...so carry on girlie! I'm still fairly new at squirrels, and need someone to boss me about the important things! THANK YOU!!!!
Oh...and while I'm thinking about it...in the MBD sticky, I'm wondering if a section of it should be stressed a little more....of course, I could be the only moron that didnt notice...anyway...Where it says to push calcium "a little" at a time throughout the day.......I kinda missed that "a little throughout the day" part. :sanp3 FEEL FREE TO MAKE FUN OF ME NOW. mjs I DON'T MIND...REALLY. :jump :jump :jump :jump
On that note, I haven't started adding anymore calcium to her diet as of yet. I did order some from Leigh though. Should I start that now?

Stepnstone: I love your post and agree 100%. UDOWHAT and JIT did excellent jobs at pinpointing this and helping us through it! I really don't think LG had much more time. :shakehead I had already started grieving for my Little Girl and what MAY happen. ***************************About the incubation period....are you saying that she needs to stay inside longer? And, is it safe to take her out in a small cage for a bit? Will she be reexposed? I did take her out for about 15 mins one day, but she was getting really hot, so I brought her back in. She normally sits at a closed window with no screen.

My kids aren't real pleased with me right now, as I've cancelled our last 2 trips to Carowinds Amusement Park because of the "squirrel". They've decided that I love her more than them....lol! Well...it's just a different' kind of love. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon We're going to try again for one day this week. Crossing fingers for my LG to stay well!

JIT and LILIDUKES: I OWE YA'LL BIG TIME!!!!!! :thankyou :thankyou

AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE ELSE TOO! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Please let me know if you think of anything I need to do (or not do) for LG. I'm stil a little lost about this "bug" and how to get rid of it and keep it that way. Even the smallest info could be a lifesaver for my sweetheart! :poke

[Tara]

HI JACKIE! Little Girl is doing very well! Thanks for asking!

She's still fighting me over meds-she does not like the smz-or is it that she does not like being forced into taking the smz? LOL! :sanp3

The dish of water at the door is no longer preventing her from chewing the door-so...now we have keys hanging from the doorknob-just something different, so she'll side step it for a day or so before chewing again. It should be as easy as putting something in front of it, but she just climbs it and starts chewing wherever she can reach.

Anyone have any suggestions on preventing that? She's driving me nuts!!!! :) :thankyou :grouphug :grouphug

[lilidukes]

HI JACKIE! Little Girl is doing very well! Thanks for asking!

She's still fighting me over meds-she does not like the smz-or is it that she does not like being forced into taking the smz? LOL! :sanp3

The dish of water at the door is no longer preventing her from chewing the door-so...now we have keys hanging from the doorknob-just something different, so she'll side step it for a day or so before chewing again. It should be as easy as putting something in front of it, but she just climbs it and starts chewing wherever she can reach.

Anyone have any suggestions on preventing that? She's driving me nuts!!!! :) :thankyou :grouphug :grouphug

Give her a roll of toilet paper to take her frustrations out on. I know another mess.:osnap

Glad to hear she is feeling so much better:alright.gif

[Jackie in Tampa]

HI JACKIE! Little Girl is doing very well! Thanks for asking!



The dish of water at the door is no longer preventing her from chewing the door-so...

Anyone have any suggestions on preventing that? She's driving me nuts!!!! :) :thankyou :grouphug :grouphug
ya gotta see my kitchen door...yes it's tacky...but yes it helps...
I screwed a piece of white pine to the dang door...inside and out...as Spice is very impatient...
tell me I ain't sq'ized!!!!!lol! I think they have won....sqs are control freaks!!

[Tara]

Give her a roll of toilet paper to take her frustrations out on. I know another mess.:osnap

Glad to hear she is feeling so much better:alright.gif

I've been doing this...and it's hilarious when she plays with it. Most of the time she just jumps past...but when she decides to play, she looks like a ninja!!! LOL!

[Tara]

ya gotta see my kitchen door...yes it's tacky...but yes it helps...
I screwed a piece of white pine to the dang door...inside and out...as Spice is very impatient...
tell me I ain't sq'ized!!!!!lol! I think they have won....sqs are control freaks!!

LOL!~ Thanks for the pics! Great ideas! However, I've tried putting a board in front...and she jumps above it to chew. ERRRR!!!!!!! My door is all wood...bummer. I've even put a small cage in front of it, and she jumps on top and starts chewing! BAD LG!!!! Gotta love 'em!

[Jackie in Tampa]

LOL!~ Thanks for the pics! Great ideas! However, I've tried putting a board in front...and she jumps above it to chew. ERRRR!!!!!!! My door is all wood...bummer. I've even put a small cage in front of it, and she jumps on top and starts chewing! BAD LG!!!! Gotta love 'em!
I guess I have surrendered Dorothy...
my damn crown molding is chewed...no kidding...
these sqs own this place!
Squraffitti!!!!:D memories:Love_Icon
ya outta see my furniture...:rotfl
the way I see it...when the time comes...I will replace all the little tattoos!


and yes, A sq, Rubilicious, lived behind the crown...miss you little Ruby, RIP.

[lilidukes]

staple some thick fleece on the door then LG will just climb (maybe???)

[muffinsquirrel]

The dish of water at the door is no longer preventing her from chewing the door-so...now we have keys hanging from the doorknob-just something different, so she'll side step it for a day or so before chewing again. It should be as easy as putting something in front of it, but she just climbs it and starts chewing wherever she can reach.

Anyone have any suggestions on preventing that? She's driving me nuts!!!! :) :thankyou :grouphug :grouphug

Try covering the door with a piece of formica. That should stop her from chewing it, but, of coursd, she will eventually find something else to chew on. Or you could get one of those steel (or aluminum or whatever) doors. It might not stop her, but it should slow her down considerably!

muffinsquirrel

[stepnstone]

[QUOTE=Jackie in Tampa]I guess I have surrendered Dorothy...
my damn crown molding is chewed...

From the picture I see a pretty fancy ladder leading up to the crown molding, how lucky can a squirrel get...:rotfl

[Chunchun]

Any chance she could have gotten overheated outside?

Praying she recovers..:jump


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[Theresa Roalstad]

I know folks don't care for Bats much but that is my knowledge. Just lost a love of mine due to the same problem. It was pneumonia that my girl had and a simple injection of Baytril and Dexamethasone from the vet would have cured her. I couldn't get help as no one near me would help a bat. She didn't hang on long so I would try to get this injection very soon. The symptoms I saw were cloudy eyes then the breathing issues. I wish you the best of luck and may speed be your friend today. My thoughts are with you as I tear up posting this thinking of my recent loss.

[Tara]

Little Girl is doing good. No lethargy. However, today she did have a runny nose and she's been acting different for the past couple of days. Just not herself. She's not wanting to be held as much, and she's not quite as hyper as usual. Wondering if she's getting sick or just depressed to be stuck inside. Any ideas?

[Tara]

Oh yes...and slightly watery left eye. Was right nostril and eye last time.
Haven't missed a single dose of meds. On day 13 of meds.

[UDoWhat]

:wave123 Hi Tara, She is still on antibiotics, correct? Many times the abs can cause lethargy, loss of appetite, and just plain "blahs". I am worried about the runny nose, however. This really sounds like Bordetella Bronchiseptica. If it is, you may have to treat with 2 different antibiotics. My Vet had me use Baytril and doxy. together. We could not beat it with just the Baytril. I think JIT has also had to treat with the 2 Abs process for 21 days. Maybe PM Jackie and she what see thinks too. I just think this is a long process and has to be carried out to the letter to beat it. There are other drugs that are recommended also to use with Baytril too. I am familiar with the Doxy, however. Or it could be just going to run it's course. Without seeing her, I'm thinking we may need some advice as to add another antibiotic. BTW, in addition, Lactobacillus (Bene-Bac) should be given during antibiotic treatment and continued for at least 5 days following the ABS to preserve intestinal flora. Yogurt will help if LG will take it. If her tummy is "off" because of the Abs she may just feel bad. *** Just saw your post while I was typing. She is on Abs. Good job, Tara. No missed doses!!:alright.gif

Marty

[UDoWhat]

I know folks don't care for Bats much but that is my knowledge. Just lost a love of mine due to the same problem. It was pneumonia that my girl had and a simple injection of Baytril and Dexamethasone from the vet would have cured her. I couldn't get help as no one near me would help a bat. She didn't hang on long so I would try to get this injection very soon. The symptoms I saw were cloudy eyes then the breathing issues. I wish you the best of luck and may speed be your friend today. My thoughts are with you as I tear up posting this thinking of my recent loss.

People should care about bats. I just read, it is estimated that bats save US farmers $23 billion a year in crops because bats eat the insects that would destroy those crops. Also, bats eat lots of insects each evening (mosquitoes included). Wonderful creatures. Sorry to threadjack. I love bats. :Love_Icon

[Tara]

Finally done with the 21 days of SMZ!!!!! HOORAY!!!!! NOT ONE DOSE MISSED-ya'll should be proud. :) I know I am. LOL!
LG was on metro for 6 days, then on smz for 21. Hoping she'll be okay now. Her tummy has been fine the entire time...she loves yogurt mixed with ensure and peanut butter.
Anyway, hoping there's no more relapsing going on! I'm going to keep her inside a bit longer to watch her.
Thanks everyone for your help! OH YEAH...
TSB ROCKS! :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump

[CritterMom]

Now THAT is good news. I hope this did it, once and for all!

[Jackie in Tampa]

:bowdown Tara...great news...yes keep us posted on her after treatment progress..
Marty, yes I have had to use doxy combo'd with baytril in the past.
I swear that Doxy, also known as the drug of last resort...can kick some nasty bugs butts...
I guess I need to have it on hand again...will call vet today, TY!
I paid $60 last time to have it compounded, now I can do it myself:alright.gif

:worthless

[Tara]

Little Girl is becoming less social with myself and E, and aggressive at times. :*( She bit E pretty deep into his knuckle last night, and just tried to get me a minute ago. She has never been like this before, as she's normally a rotten little baby. We're still thinking that she may be pregnant...but can't say for sure. She's just started this over the past couple of days...She's VERY protective with E over her "nests" inside. She will let me put my hand in and rub her...but not him all of a sudden. She can be in one nest, and if E goes near another...she jumps out and goes after him....wondering what I should do? Any suggestions?
Should I reacclimate her and release? Does she need to stay in for a while longer to watch her in case of relapse? What's best for her? She's only been in the heat 30 mins a day...so I can't just let her out...right? HELP! What if she IS pregnant? Maybe that's why she's changing? *sigh* We can handle her biting-it's hurting our feelings more than the actual bite...so decisions shouldn't be made based on that...I'm just trying to figure out what's best for her.

[Jackie in Tampa]

let her decide...open the door...she knows where the A/C is if she wants back in...:rotfl