Clicking After Meals

[Xepher]

I'm not actually sure if this is life-threatening or not, but as someone who is very attached to her squirrels, I tend to panic.


My female, about 6 weeks old, is difficult to feed. I use a dropper and tend to let them suck at their own pace while I hold them up and level. However, my girl gets spastic when she eats and is very difficult to hold onto. I'm not even sure what she's trying to do while I'm feeding her but she simply won't sit still. A couple days ago I fed her late at night and she started making a clicking sound right after. It wasn't with every breath, but would come in rapid little spurts, quiet down, couple faint clicks here and there, go quiet again, etc. I steamed her in the morning and it went away soon after, she never became lethargic or lost her appetite. Yesterday I think, she sneezed a bit after a meal, for a couple minutes, but had no clicking, and it stopped.

Just now, I fed her, and this time she got some in her nose. I tipped her upside down and she sneezed out some formula, but the clicking is back. It's the same beat as last time. It isn't constant, and it isn't consistently loud. It sounds more like it's coming from her nose, like little popping sounds, but it still really worries me. What can I do? They have a heating pad and a heated sock buddy in there. I will be calling a local health store tomorrow to see if they have any Phosphorus 30c, as I saw Mars posting about it being a good treatment.

I am in Montreal, Canada. There are no squirrel-friendly vets here as far as I can tell, nor rehabbers, so I am really low on options.

[Rhapsody]

Clicking can be a sign of Pneumonia in small squirrels (and fatal) - this usually happens when they are feed to fast and formula gets in their lungs. With your squirrels clicking only taking place when she is eating and stopping after she has finished eating I would say she probably does not have Pneumonia, but I would suggest you change from the dropper to an o-ring syringe for feeding to make for a safer feeding experience with your squirrel.

[Xepher]

The clicking does continue after she has finished eating. The first time it happened, it remained until morning. Where can I get an o-ring syringe locally? Can clicking be the result of anything else besides pneumonia? I have read the multiple threads on here about clicking and it seems some make the sound for a prolonged amount of time without getting pneumonia. It's so hard to know if I should worry or not :shakehead

[island rehabber]

Prolonged clicking IS a sign of pneumonia. I would start the baby on antibiotics immediately.....Baytril is excellent, SMZ-TMP (Sulfatrim) is very good and Clavamox/amoxicillin is "ok". If the baby is not on heat I would provide a heating pad.

You can get the o-ring Leuer lock syringes, 1cc, at:

http://www.henryspets.com/categories/Rehab-Supplies/

[Xepher]

Unfortunately, I don't HAVE any antibiotics. Nor do I have any sure way of getting any besides ordering online. Would Mars' homeopathic remedy work?

[Rhapsody]

You can order Baytril from here (no Rx) since there is no rehabber or vet in your area.... http://www.petcarechoice.com/

Try giving them a call first and see how long its going to take to get to your house IF its to long
see IF there's another board member in Canada that lives close by with meds you can use.

[astra]

do you have any friends/acquaintances who have pets and might have some meds, or might be able to ask their vets?

[Rhapsody]

P.S. & BTW
Human Cipro is the same as Baytril..... see if any of your friends have CIPRO
(ciprofloxacin)

[Xepher]

There was someone I saw who posted in another thread, who works at a vet in my city. And can treat them, but she said she isn't on. The forum much so I have no idea how to get ahold of her. The username starts with Henry .

[Xepher]

do you have any friends/acquaintances who have pets and might have some meds, or might be able to ask their vets?


Ill ask around tomorrow, really have to get to bed.

[Scooterzmom]

Ill ask around tomorrow, really have to get to bed.
I know it's carzy late but... can I call you? I'm in Pointe-Claire and my vet might see your little one. Unfortunately I don't have any AB's here myself. don't know if she's on duty tomorrow, and he's not a specialist (she admits that herself) but she will give your baby the best care possible.
I'd be happy to help but we're in the midst of negotiating an offer for a new house, I won't be home tomorrow (today, considering the hour) :(

For a syringe, you can ask at the pharmacy for a 1cc syringe and tell them you don't want the needle, just the syringe, that it's to feed a baby kitten. If not at the pharmacy then at a vet's clinic. Do place the baby on a heating pad, under half the box/cage only so she can wander off if she finds it too hot. If you don't have a heating pad, then make a rice buddy - fill a sock with uncooked rice and place in the microwave for 40 secs... make sure it's not TOO hot, and place that in the cage/box with the baby amidst its blankets. She can snuggle up against it.

[astra]

There was someone I saw who posted in another thread, who works at a vet in my city. And can treat them, but she said she isn't on. The forum much so I have no idea how to get ahold of her. The username starts with Henry .
i think I know whom I mean (just can't think of her name, I think, it's somth like henry's mama, or Henry_peanuts MOm, or smth like that), so are you in Montreal? You can look her up in the Member's List (top menu bar).
If you do end up bringing your little one to the clinic, please make it clear that you are not surrendering him! That you only want to get meds for him. Because if you just drop him off there, you won't get it back and you will have no say in what they do to him. And, unfortunately, a lot of clinics don't bother much with squirrels, esp. those that need extra care - they just put them to sleep (speaking from personal experience). One of the Montreal clinics did that. So, make it firm and clear that you are not surrendering him. I might be wrong, but I think, squirrels are legal in Montreal, so you should be able to keep him and just get meds for him.

However,If I were you, I would definitely contact Scooterzmom first, since she is in Montreal - you can trust her that your little one won't be seized from you, too, and try contacting Kristal who is in Montreal, too.
I see that Scooterzmom left you her phone number - call her first thing tomorrow morning.
With pneumonia every minute counts because they go down fast, and if your little one does have it, he needs meds asap.

[Scooterzmom]

;;;You might want to try and contact Alex39 (he, too, is in Montreal) - if you can't then try to contack Kristal, I think she still has his phone number; I think Alex said he had some AB's... I'm not sure which, not sure if he still does or not now, but it's worth a try.

[Rhapsody]

There was someone I saw who posted in another thread, who works at a vet in my city.
And can treat them....... The username starts with Henry .You are looking for henry_peanut
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/member.php?u=5199

[Scooterzmom]

If the clicking is not lung related, then fine... some do purr and it may sound like clicking in some wayBUT in your case... since she did get milk in her nose and the clicking came to persist I would definitely worry that she has got pneumonia and you have to act quickly. You really should have her checked. Make sure to weigh her before you go to the clinic I mentioned and to ask here on TSB for someone to dose for you.

Good luck with your baby, keeping you both in my prayers. :grouphug Wish I could be more help but the timing is really off :(

[Xepher]

Hey guys, I read all of your replies on my phone last night (Hence the bad punctuation in my last posts, stupid phone) because I couldn't sleep :shakehead However I was not able to make phone calls at such an hour due to my dad being asleep.

That being said, I'd like to report that Rogue's clicking seems to have stopped. She was also the first to get up and greet me at the cage door too so there's no sign of lethargy or illness so far. I will definitely give that vet a call though, Scooterz; thank you so much for providing the number. Do you think she'd let me buy a bit of the ABs so I have it on hand in case this happens again?

For some reason I can't access people's profiles on this account... I can do so on my unactivated account though, for what ever reason, so I'll see if I can get Henry, Kristal and Alex's contact info. (If it IS in fact on their profile page)

Oh, and I did get a syringe from the pharmacy, but I'm not quite sure how to use it. The plunger slides down VERY easily and I didn't want to risk pushing too much into their mouth, so I haven't used it. They didn't seem to want to put their mouth over it either. I wanted to get a nipple for it but haven't found any yet.

Lastly, I have no means of weighing her:dono Where can I get a gram scale that doesn't cost too much?

[astra]

well, if the clicking did stop for sure, that's great, if it isn't - def. use Scooterzmom's info.
That phone # is not hers, as I thought while rushing (as always) through posts yesterday, it's her vet's number.
You might not be able to send private messages for some time as it doesn't get activated for new members right away.
So, keep posting and definitely try that number if the clicking resumes.

[Xepher]

Jeez, she seems even MORE rambunctious than usual this morning :thinking Dad was holding her while I put their rice buddy back in and she was making growly noises and bit him. Guess she only likes mommy, hahah.

Anyway, I'll give another status update when I go home for lunch and to feed them, but I'm not as worried. I think I'm still going to call a health store to see if they have that Phosphorus 30c stuff that Mars recommended to someone else. It's supposed to be good for clicking and I would feel better giving her that first if the issue returns and seeing if it helps, rather than starting her on antibiotics right away. What do you guys think?

[astra]

Jeez, she seems even MORE rambunctious than usual this morning :thinking Dad was holding her while I put their rice buddy back in and she was making growly noises and bit him. Guess she only likes mommy, hahah.

Anyway, I'll give another status update when I go home for lunch and to feed them, but I'm not as worried. I think I'm still going to call a health store to see if they have that Phosphorus 30c stuff that Mars recommended to someone else. It's supposed to be good for clicking and I would feel better giving her that first if the issue returns and seeing if it helps, rather than starting her on antibiotics right away. What do you guys think?
great to hear that she's doing well/
As for smth else (homeo etc) instead of ABs for pneumonia... hmmm... from what I know, you can't take chances with pneumonia and the only thing that gets rid of is is ABs. Never heard of homeo or anything similar to take care of that.
I do believe in homeo and alternative medicine, but when it comes to such serious stuff as pneumonia, I think, ABs are the way to go, because time is of essence. You need to cut it right in its tracks, while with many alternative meds it takes a bit longer for the effect to take place.
You could use immune boosters for sure, though.

However, if that homeo remedy that was recommended can be as potent and as fast as ABs in treating pneumonia that will be great and I am sure, people here will be excited. Just wouldn't know how to test that...:thinking don't know if taking chances with a squirrel is a good idea.

But let's see what experienced rehabbers say

[Xepher]

great to hear that she's doing well/
As for smth else (homeo etc) instead of ABs for pneumonia... hmmm... from what I know, you can't take chances with pneumonia and the only thing that gets rid of is is ABs. Never heard of homeo or anything similar to take care of that.
I do believe in homeo and alternative medicine, but when it comes to such serious stuff as pneumonia, I think, ABs are the way to go, because time is of essence. You need to cut it right in its tracks, while with many alternative meds it takes a bit longer for the effect to take place.
You could use immune boosters for sure, though.

However, if that homeo remedy that was recommended can be as potent and as fast as ABs in treating pneumonia that will be great and I am sure, people here will be excited. Just wouldn't know how to test that...:thinking don't know if taking chances with a squirrel is a good idea.

But let's see what experienced rehabbers say

I haven't done any research on it myself, but Mars seems to have some faith in it. I'm not sure if it treats pneumonia, but it's supposed to help with the clicking, so perhaps it's only good for the early stages when the squirrel isn't terribly ill yet, and stops it from progressing. Just my speculation!

[Rhapsody]

Oh, and I did get a syringe from the pharmacy, but I'm not quite sure how to use it. The plunger slides down VERY easily and I didn't want to risk pushing too much into their mouth, so I haven't used it. They didn't seem to want to put their mouth over it either. I wanted to get a nipple for it but haven't found any yet.I suggest you get the Four Paw Nipples from Chris's Squirrel & More (i use them all the time) @ http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/product/840/four-paws-vet-nipples.htm

and... I recommend you start using the syringe right away so you do not have another scare with your baby, just place the formula in the syringe and go slow, even allowing for the squirrel to suck the formula out if they will. YOU CAN DO IT!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Pierre]

If she's clicking, it's because there is fluid/mucus in her nasal cavity or lungs. This almost absolutely due to a bacterial infection. I don't know about this Mars treatment but as was said, pneumonia needs antibiotics first to kill the bacteria. Then you might find other things to give to help for the symptoms, but not to replace the antibiotics. Pneumonia kills. And they can seem off one day and rally the next, but the bacteria is still in there multiplying and babies can all of a sudden crash and die when they seemed ok just before.

I'd use the resources given to you above and get some AB's right away. You've heard this clicking sound now multiple times.

Use the syringe---practice with some water in the sink first, getting the feel of it and go slowly. The dropper you have been using very easily allows them to aspirate.

[Xepher]

Just wanted to share this, as I found it while researching the Phosphorus stuff: "Phosphorus is a well known remedy for respiratory conditions of asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia, tightness in chest, dry lingering coughs, deep coughs. Phosphorus helps with general fatigue, weakness, irritability."

I will definitely see if I can get in touch with the vet at lunch time to get antibiotics, but the homeopathic remedy sounds worth further research and consideration. I'll try to practice with the syringe too.

[Pierre]

I hope you can get some AB's to really help her. Phosphorus.....be careful. With a lot of these "cures" touted by someone, there is no proof or data to support their myriad of claims. No randomized, controlled, double-blind clinical studies to show affect in some some condition in certain species. There are also many possible deleterious effects and no clear dosing....

Praying for your little one :grouphug :Love_Icon

[Marci]

Weighing - Food scale - in the US, Bed Bath & Beyond, The biggest loser scale is the least expensive. If you are going to continue rescueing babies, having a scale is a big plus.

feeding - hold the baby upright, hold the syringe down so when you look at the body and the syringe from the side, it forms an upside down V.

These are some of the tips that I learned from the awesome rehabbers and members on this board and from my exotic pet vet.

marci

[Marci]

I am an expert on clicking so PM if you want to call me, I will send you my number here in the US

Marci

[Xepher]

I must have the worst luck. Home for lunch right now, listened to Rogue and heard some faint clicking, but it didn't last long at all; it has stopped again. Lasted maybe only for a minute or so once I heard it. She is still very active and grunting at me for food.

Called Dr.xxxxx and she's booked for the whole day, won't prescribe antibiotics without seeing the squirrel either. (I hate these laws; what could it hurt, really?) The receptionist gave me the number to some other vet who sees squirrels, but he's all booked up too and is kind of far compared to Dr.xxxxxWhat should I do? Maybe use a drop of the phosphorus stuff in the mean time, and bring her in tomorrow? I know homeopathic remedies have their faults, but if Mars has used it multiple times on her squirrels without issue, it might be worth a shot.

[Xepher]

I can't PM anyone or look at their profiles. That being said, can anyone give me the contact info for Scooterzmom, Alex, Kristal etc? Maybe someone has leftover ABs.

[Xepher]

This is a disaster :( I was feeding the boy with the syringe and it was going really well, then I re-filled and started feeding again, and he aspirated. Right away I tipped him upside down and he sneezed it all out, but now HE'S making the clicking sound. I honestly think the dropper is a safer bet until I can get a nipple for the syringe, I do keep it level with them and very slowly tip it up to get the rest out while they suck. He's always been really good with it and has never aspirated until now.

I sent my dad out to go pick up some of that Phosphorus 30c. I will give them each a drop and hopefully see the vet tomorrow. I don't know what else can be done at this point, unless someone local can give me some ABs.

[Xepher]

If anyone can or wants to contact me to help, or otherwise give my contact information to someone local, my number is 514-261-9585 and my name is Deziray. Just putting that out there.

[Rhapsody]

If anyone can or wants to contact me to help, or otherwise give my contact information to someone local,
my number is 514-261-9585 and my name is Deziray.
Just putting that out there.

CHECKING..... ANY ONE CONTACT HER?

[rozdow]

Some pet stores have ABs for use with fish (Fish-mox). It's amoxicilian, not the best option , but an option.

[Xepher]

I followed Mars' instructions and gave them both a dose of the Phosphorus, now all I can do is wait. I won't be able to see Dr.xxxxx tomorrow either, so if things become dire, I'll try to find some Amoxicillan. Thanks for the tip.

For the sake of an update, Rogue is click-free, but Seven is still clicking quite audibly. It does seem to come more from the nasal area than the lungs, but honestly it's so hard to tell. Anyway, they're both snuggled up with a warm rice buddy, a heating pad, and the cage is in a warm room. Let's hope for the best. Their brother passed away and I was devastated, I can't bear the thought of losing another one :(

[Marci]

I was ablt to call and provide some more guidance. Due to the unavailability of vets, I suggested to call the vets associated with the Montreal zoos.

I also suggested to get more and smaller syringes from the local pharmacies.

Marci

[Xepher]

I really appreciated the call Marci. I'm sorry I couldn't be more talkative, but my manager was already cross with me for taking an extended lunch to get my squirrels dosed with the phosphorus, and I didn't want him to hear me on the phone:nono

Now that I'm home, I fed them again. Both ate readily and Seven isn't clicking nearly as much as he was before, so hopefully this means that stuff is working!

[Kristal]

This is a disaster :( I was feeding the boy with the syringe and it was going really well, then I re-filled and started feeding again, and he aspirated. Right away I tipped him upside down and he sneezed it all out, but now HE'S making the clicking sound. I honestly think the dropper is a safer bet until I can get a nipple for the syringe, I do keep it level with them and very slowly tip it up to get the rest out while they suck. He's always been really good with it and has never aspirated until now.

I sent my dad out to go pick up some of that Phosphorus 30c. I will give them each a drop and hopefully see the vet tomorrow. I don't know what else can be done at this point, unless someone local can give me some ABs.

Uggh, nononono dropper! You are going to kill those kits! Got to any pharmacy and ask for an oral feeding syringe that one can use for a dehydrated human baby. Get the smallest one that they have available. My neighbourhood Jean Coutu gives them away for free.

You have to block the plunger with your thumb or they will surely choke themselves. You are very lucky that they are still alive with you feeding them with a dropper.

I am quite busy and stressed out with something at the moment, but I may be able to call you later... or at least properly review this thread.

You can PM people by click on their member name, btw.

[Pierre]

Uggh, nononono dropper! You are going to kill those kits! Got to any pharmacy and ask for an oral feeding syringe that one can use for a dehydrated human baby. Get the smallest one that they have available. My neighbourhood Jean Coutu gives them away for free.

You have to block the plunger with your thumb or they will surely choke themselves. You are very lucky that they are still alive with you feeding them with a dropper.

I am quite busy and stressed out with something at the moment, but I may be able to call you later... or at least properly review this thread.

You can PM people by click on their member name, btw.

Krystal,
Do you have any antibiotics for her???
:grouphug

[Kristal]

I hope you can get some AB's to really help her. Phosphorus.....be careful. With a lot of these "cures" touted by someone, there is no proof or data to support their myriad of claims. No randomized, controlled, double-blind clinical studies to show affect in some some condition in certain species. There are also many possible deleterious effects and no clear dosing....

Praying for your little one :grouphug :Love_Icon

This is good advice. For a start, too much phosphorus is just, plain bad for squirrels and may even lead to chronic or fatal illness. Also, if you are talking homeopathy, the solutions that are sold as homeopathic remedies are diluted at a rate of 1 part active ingredient to 1 000 000 parts (or even much, much more) plain water.

If you feel good about that, then ok. It's not the same as using an herbal remedy, though, you should be aware... I think it is best to cover all bases and look into changing nursing technique and getting antibiotics if you have to.

I *may* have some amox left. I gave some to Alex and Scooterz before... I also had to use some on my dog because his ear got infected after a mean dog chomped on it. If there is any left, it is expired. It will still work, but will be less potent.

Scootermomz vet is safe and probably so is the one that henry peanut works for, but don't go to another vet as they will push euthanasia and may refuse treatment. Vets need a special license to treat wildlife here, and to do so risks putting their license in jeopardy.

In fact, that nice vets name should not be on this forum, nor the number. Just sayin...

Maybe the admins could take those down so that we don't risk putting our few veterinary friends in legal danger, please?

[Kristal]

Krystal,
Do you have any antibiotics for her???
:grouphug

Ok, I have metro (I think that one is no good for this) and a few expired amox - 500 mg. They are human pills, so will have to be dosed very carefully.

[Kristal]

I followed Mars' instructions and gave them both a dose of the Phosphorus, now all I can do is wait. I won't be able to see Dr.xxxxx tomorrow either, so if things become dire, I'll try to find some Amoxicillan. Thanks for the tip.

For the sake of an update, Rogue is click-free, but Seven is still clicking quite audibly. It does seem to come more from the nasal area than the lungs, but honestly it's so hard to tell. Anyway, they're both snuggled up with a warm rice buddy, a heating pad, and the cage is in a warm room. Let's hope for the best. Their brother passed away and I was devastated, I can't bear the thought of losing another one :(
Yea, this is bad. The mox that I have will help. Of course it is not ideal, but you risking losing another or both if you don't do anything.

We need dosing info for these guys.... That means weight. Go to the Canadian Tire store and pick up a digital kitchen scale. It will cost you 20$, at the most. We need to know their weight to dose them. This mox has already saved one kit (Alex's) from pneumonia, so it is still potent enough. They are 500 mg gelcaps filled with powder. We are going to need an experienced rehabber to calculate the dose and frequency of dosing according to their weight.

Also, get some oral syringes (that means the ones without needles). I will give you feeding pointers when I see you so that this can be avoided in the future. :grouphug

Finally, no one has asked you yet, but what are you giving them for formula?

[astra]

I'd say go with Scooterz' s vet... I had a bad experience with the clinic that henry-peanut works for (not henry_peanuts herself - she is great, but the clinic, just to clarify). That might have been just my experience, and yours might be different. But just since there are two options, I'd rather go with Scooterz's vet.

Feeding these little guys does take some practice that's why the beginners are advised to go v-e-r-y- slow. The rule of thumb, sort of - if your little one starts getting impatient and mad at your because you are going too slow, then you are going at the right pace.

[Kristal]

I just talked briefly with Desiray. She is on her way into the mall now. Does anyone know some name brands for fish mox? I can call her back and tell her if it's soon.

[Pierre]

I think it's Fish-Mox [amoxicillin]. Not all pet stores [in the US anyway] carry this---it often has to be ordered online. Amazon I think has it also. Your amox should be fine if she can't find the fish version.

The dose would be 15 mg/kg BID.

Oh, and if you can reach her now as she's out, tell her to get some Benebac at the pet store too. They'll most likely need this while on the amox [yogurt isn't strong enough]. :)

[Xepher]

Hey guys. I wasn't able to buy a scale or any Amox because, thanks to my dad, we got to the mall too late and all of the stores were closed. I DID manage to get a 1cc syringe, though. Seven's clicking was either gone or inaudible when I came home, but has since returned, though not intense. It isn't with every breath though, it's very inconsistent. It mostly happens when he shuffles around. He was very eager to eat and made sure to make lots of grunting noises during the feeding process, which I found MUCH easier with the 1cc syringe. I made sure to go very slowly and steadily, pausing every so often to make sure they weren't choking or anything. Is this how to do it?

Out of curiosity, is it normal for them to squeak, grunt etc while being fed? They definitely grunt a lot when I take the dropper/syringe away to refill (So funny) but I mean during the actual sucking/feeding act. Some times they'll make noises when I prop them up and such. Perhaps they're just getting older and friskier? I am feeding them Mammalac for kittens, by the way. It was recommended by a vet and dad couldn't find Esbilac, so this is what we've been using. I add yogurt to it as a treat every so often.

Anyway hopefully tomorrow Scooterzmom will contact me, and I can otherwise get my hands on some ABs, as well as a scale.

[astra]

kitten formulas are not good for squirrels, usually (don't know the one you are using, though).
You will need to order Fox Valley Formula:

http://www.henryspets.com
http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com

In the meantime, it is suggested to feed a Homemade Goat's Milk formula: all ingredients are available at a supermarket, usually (if you are in Montreal, then, you shouldn't have any problems getting them).
Although, on the other hand, constantly switching formulas is not always good either.
Anyways, order Fox Valley asap. If while you are waiting for FV they are ok on your kitten formula, you might just leave it that way till FV arrives, and then you can switch to FV gradually (when you get it, ppl will explain how to transition gradually).
But if they start getting diarrhea or other GI problems on your kitten formula, you will have to use Goats' Milk...
But I will let experienced rehabbers make more precise suggestions about whether to switch to Goat's, then FV, or just wait for FV.


Jackie's Goat Milk Recipe
1 cup goats milk
1/3 cup heavy cream
1/3 cup dannon all natural vanilla yogurt

(keeps in frig for 72 hrs)

[Kristal]

Clicking that increases with movement does sound like pneumonia, for sure.

ABs are necessary and soon, I think... At least while they are sick try to feed as slow as possible. Just squirt a very little bit in their mouths and wait for them to totally swallow before giving another squirt, and don't let them get any suction going. You sure don't want to make this worse than it is. You also need to keep them warm. I guess that you know to put their bed half on and half off of an electric blanket on low? If you don't have one, you can use a rice buddy.

Mammalac was recommened to be by a city employee, but I could not find it. Esbilac is not good for squirrels anymore, but it used to be.

Most people on this board use and recommend Fox Valley. It's mail order only, but quite inexpensive. It might be better to play safe and plan to transition to that instead of getting more mammalac.

http://foxvalleynutrition.com/prod/details.asp?CID=1&PLID=1

I am off to bed, but we should talk tomorrow.

[Scooterzmom]

So you know guys, to put you up to date, Xepher came over - both of us in our PJ's... talk about informal :rotfl and I gave her some FV, a couple more syringes and some blocks. Both babies seemed to be doing fine at the time, I could not hear any clicking - might be what we call the dentist syndrome...:dono i.e. you got a sore tooth it stops hurting when you show up at the dentist duhhh. So, I still recommended that she'd try and get some AB's just in case and if she suspects the cicking gets worse then we will both check on that and proceed with AB's if needed then ...

Btw... Both kids got a taste of Henry's blocks and those were a big hit with both of them it seems. :D
Xepher:

Was a pleasure to meet you :)

As far as the quantity they should eat at each feeding, I would suggest at least about 7 to 8 cc's for Seven and 8 to 9cc's for Rogue at least 4 times a day (best 5 times if you can). Pebbles who is slightly bigger than they are takes 12cc's each feeding 4 times a day plus she munches on blocks and veggies - little piglet :) Don't forget to make the formula ahead of time and mix 1/2 FV with 1/2 Mamalac to start with... do that for 2 feedings and if well tolerated then go with 3/4 FV and 1/4 Mamalac for 2 more, then go to full strength FV.

[Scooterzmom]

So you know guys, to put you up to date, Xepher came over - both of us in our PJ's... talk about informal :rotfl and I gave her some FV, a couple more syringes and some blocks. Both babies seemed to be doing fine at the time, I could not hear any clicking - might be what we call the dentist syndrome...:dono i.e. you got a sore tooth it stops hurting when you show up at the dentist duhhh. So, I still recommended that she'd try and get some AB's just in case and if she suspects the cicking gets worse then we will both check on that and proceed with AB's if needed then ...

Btw... Both kids got a taste of Henry's blocks and those were a big hit with both of them it seems. :D


Xepher:

It was a pleasure to meet you :)

As far as the quantity they should eat at each feeding, I would suggest at least about 7 to 8 cc's for Seven and 8 to 9cc's for Rogue 5 times a day. Pebbles who is slightly bigger than they are takes 12cc's each feeding 4 times a day plus she munches on blocks and veggies - little piglet :) Don't forget to make the formula ahead of time and mix 1/2 liquid/mixed FV with 1/2 liquid/mixed Mamalac to start with... do that for 2 feedings and if well tolerated then go with 3/4 FV and 1/4 Mamalac for 2 more, then go to full strength FV. There should be no problem, I have not had babies who didn't tolerate the FV so far.

[Rhapsody]

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[Marci]

Scooterzmom

What a great mentor!

Marci

[Pierre]

All good news!

I would say to, without doubt, get an appt lined with the vet, AND get some antibiotics now to have ready if they start to get sick again and "click". As Krystal pointed out, clicking more when more active points to pneumonia.

I say to gather the antibiotics now because they have exhibited signs of pneumonia, and often babies have periods of rallying during the course of the disease and everyone thinks they are better. Then they crash again and they die really quickly. There will not be a couple of days to find medicine at this point. Get it now.

Call friends [human Cipro would be great], animal owners, order the Fish Mox online [don't count on finding it in stores last minute--they often don't carry it], etc etc. Get these lined up and be ready. Their sweet lives could depend on you being prepared. Trust me, you won't have days to gather these later.

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[Kristal]

All good news!

I would say to, without doubt, get an appt lined with the vet, AND get some antibiotics now to have ready if they start to get sick again and "click". As Krystal pointed out, clicking more when more active points to pneumonia.

I say to gather the antibiotics now because they have exhibited signs of pneumonia, and often babies have periods of rallying during the course of the disease and everyone thinks they are better. Then they crash again and they die really quickly. There will not be a couple of days to find medicine at this point. Get it now.

Call friends [human Cipro would be great], animal owners, order the Fish Mox online [don't count on finding it in stores last minute--they often don't carry it], etc etc. Get these lined up and be ready. Their sweet lives could depend on you being prepared. Trust me, you won't have days to gather these later.

:grouphug

Again, I do have some human mox here. Ideally, get the wee ones into see Mitch's vet today, and don't leave without antibiotics. The next best choice would be fish mox, and it would be a good idea to call the pet store first to see if it is in stock. Failing that, I have some leftover mox which has already been used successfully to treat a squirrel for pneumonia not long ago. To dose with fish mox or human amoxy, you will need to know their exact weight...

Pierre is right. This is not something to take chances with.

[Xepher]

I want to thank you again for your help and the generous supplies Mitch, I've felt very alone and stressed in this but it's nice to know there's someone so closeby that I can turn to when I don't know what to do :) The kids really love those rodent blocks and had fun chewing them up this morning. I could hear a few clicks from Seven initially but once he was up and about to be fed, they disappeared. I'm wondering if the Phosphorus stuff did in fact help.

Pierre and Kristal: I have asked around but nobody has any antibiotics handy, I'll have to go looking for it. The vet is busy today too so I can't see her, I will call for tomorrow though and see if she's available. I'll also phone some pet/fish stores and ask about the fish mox. Does it come in tablets? Kristal, you mentioned you have some human mox but you are pretty far away, so I don't know how I'd get it from you.

[Xepher]

Oh yeah, any idea how much the vet will charge to look at the squirrels?

[Twi_prime]

Hey guys, I was just looking this over. Any more news from Xepher and her babies? Hope all is well.

[Scooterzmom]

Xepher is away on vacation - that was planned a long time before she got the babies. I saw Xepher yesterday and she said they are doing very well and she was bringing them to Kristal who will squirrel-sit for the 2 weeks that their squamy will be away. :)

They're in good hands.

[Twi_prime]

Xepher is away on vacation - that was planned a long time before she got the babies. I saw Xepher yesterday and she said they are doing very well and she was bringing them to Kristal who will squirrel-sit for the 2 weeks that their squamy will be away. :)

They're in good hands.

Sounds great. Thanks for the update, Scooterzmom. :)

And Xepher, hope you have fun on vacation. :D