Kashi cereal

[shambeyla]

Hello! We have a baby squirrel who we are estimating at about 8-9 weeks. His sibling died and he was running all over the road in a cat-filled neighborhood, so we took him home. He's adapting amazingly well! I do have a question about Kashi Go-Lean cereal. He's a FANATIC about it! Is it Ok for him to eat daily? Any help would be wonderful!! :) (We are also giving him whole wheat bread and Cauliflower, and are going to get some rodent blocks today)

Thank you!!!
Katie:)

[mugzeezma]

Hello! We have a baby squirrel who we are estimating at about 8-9 weeks. His sibling died and he was running all over the road in a cat-filled neighborhood, so we took him home. He's adapting amazingly well! I do have a question about Kashi Go-Lean cereal. He's a FANATIC about it! Is it Ok for him to eat daily? Any help would be wonderful!! :) (We are also giving him whole wheat bread and Cauliflower, and are going to get some rodent blocks today)

Thank you!!!
Katie:)

Limit cereal a treat...go lean mostly fiber

Check the nutrition forum for healthy diet...sorry choppy here...baby coon in lap so hang with me here.

Kat Tee FortiDiet PRO HEALTH in blue bag ...Ox bow Regal Rat,..:thumbsup

[mugzeezma]

FORMULA
http://foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp

NIPPLES AND O RING FEEDING SYRINGES etc
http://www.squirrelstore.com/

[stosh2010]

Hello! We have a baby squirrel who we are estimating at about 8-9 weeks. ------
Katie:)
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[shambeyla]

Thanks everyone!!!!! We are heading to get some actual "squirrel" stuff soon! I'll get some pics up! :)

[UDoWhat]

:wave123 Great advice and suggestions from Mugzeezma. REMEMBER: Don't be surprised if your little one doesn't take to the rodent blocks right away. I have been down this road in the beginning of my Rehab trip, 11 years ago. IMHO, only, just my advice, when babies get the junk food, (meaning not the best nutrition), first it is difficult to get then to take rodent block right away. I compare it to giving kids pizza, M&M's, and chips, everyday. Then try to give them broccoli, lettuce and radishes. They look at you like WTHeck is this? I'm not eating that stuff. Point here, you will have to work on this and be strong. Squirrels will hold out a long time and usually "win" because you give in before they do. Tough love has to win, however, to have a healthy squirrel. There are many rodent blocks on the market. All good or OK, at least better than "pizza and chips ". :rotfl Try some of the recipes that were listed above here. See the nutrition section and read, read, read. Here is another link for block that many find their squirrels will eat and like better than some of the other brands. http://www.henryspets.com/ When people turn their pet squirrels over to me because they have lost interest or the squirrels have become too wild or are sick and dying from MBD, I face this issue often. Very hard sometimes to be the tough love squirrel lady but to save them, I have too. :sanp3 Let us know how it goes.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator

[mugzeezma]

:wave123 Great advice and suggestions from Mugzeezma. REMEMBER: Don't be surprised if your little one doesn't take to the rodent blocks right away. I have been down this road in the beginning of my Rehab trip, 11 years ago. IMHO, only, just my advice, when babies get the junk food, (meaning not the best nutrition), first it is difficult to get then to take rodent block right away. I compare it to giving kids pizza, M&M's, and chips, everyday. Then try to give them broccoli, lettuce and radishes. They look at you like WTHeck is this? I'm not eating that stuff. Point here, you will have to work on this and be strong. Squirrels will hold out a long time and usually "win" because you give in before they do. Tough love has to win, however, to have a healthy squirrel. There are many rodent blocks on the market. All good or OK, at least better than "pizza and chips ". :rotfl Try some of the recipes that were listed above here. See the nutrition section and read, read, read. Here is another link for block that many find their squirrels will eat and like better than some of the other brands. http://www.henryspets.com/ When people turn their pet squirrels over to me because they have lost interest or the squirrels have become too wild or are sick and dying from MBD, I face this issue often. Very hard sometimes to be the tough love squirrel lady but to save them, I have too. :sanp3 Let us know how it goes.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator
that's why I posted the recipe for ground block mixed with applesauce and formula or BBVs
It's what the big wildlife centers do
feed rat block soaked in forumula...or a BooBall

[UDoWhat]

that's why I posted the recipe for ground block mixed with applesauce and formula or BBVs
It's what the big wildlife centers do
feed rat block soaked in forumula...or a BooBall

The two biggest centers here in this area, each doing over 3,000 or more animals per year also do the same thing with the "rat block". It helps to get the squirrels use to the block taste. You can add ingredients as per Mugzeema's versions/recipes as in the above post and then sloooooooooooooowly reduce the added ingredients to more and more block. As I said it is hard to switch from "pizza and chips" to "broccoli and lettuce". This is just an interim approach until/if the eating of 100% block and healthy veggies and fruits can be achieved. Good luck with this and ask questions as you need to.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator

Oops, Where did the recipes go? :thinking I'll see if I can find them. :dono They are a helpful resource to a very important and dangerous condition in squirrels. MBD.

[momma2boo]

Here is the link for the Boo Balls. The BBV's are there as well, just scroll down a bit.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28096

BTW Mugzi ... love the name BBV. Reminds me of MVD. LOL

[UDoWhat]

Here is the link for the Boo Balls. The BBV's are there as well, just scroll down a bit.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28096

BTW Mugzi ... love the name BBV. Reminds me of MVD. LOL

Thanks, M2B, I knew I had seen them somewhere. I thought here. Now, can you help me find my keys?:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Marty

[momma2boo]

Now, can you help me find my keys?:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Marty

Hey Marty ... they're wherever you last had them or they will be in the last place you look. :D I know, I know ... I'm a smart ***! lol

[mugzeezma]

The two biggest centers here in this area, each doing over 3,000 or more animals per year also do the same thing with the "rat block". It helps to get the squirrels use to the block taste. You can add ingredients as per Mugzeema's versions/recipes as in the above post and then sloooooooooooooowly reduce the added ingredients to more and more block. As I said it is hard to switch from "pizza and chips" to "broccoli and lettuce". This is just an interim approach until/if the eating of 100% block and healthy veggies and fruits can be achieved. Good luck with this and ask questions as you need to.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator

Oops, Where did the recipes go? :thinking I'll see if I can find them. :dono They are a helpful resource to a very important and dangerous condition in squirrels. MBD.
It was deleted for some reason:thinking
I will repost when I find them...
I like the BBVs because it's not as MESSY and doesn't give formula burn like the wetter version

[mugzeezma]

Here is the link for the Boo Balls. The BBV's are there as well, just scroll down a bit.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28096

BTW Mugzi ... love the name BBV. Reminds me of MVD. LOL
This is what I do and have had success with:
A good probiotic like BeneBac (found at petfood stores) or yogurt can be mixed in as well.

It's a variation on Momma2Boos BooBall recipe or BooBall Variations one & two
In honor of Julie who's idea this originally was and her squirrel Boo

This is the mix I give my Squirrels along with plain old unadulterated rat blocks and fresh vegetables and a little fruit (fruit sugars in the recipe)

All of these recipes have the ingredients finely ground and stored dry in the freezer until needed.

~Once you add the WET ingredients store in the refrigerator.
~Let the recipe set for one hour before deciding if more fruit sauce is required....
they are gooey when first blended and need time for the dry ingredients to absorb
~You can either roll the dough all at once into balls to be stored in a container or roll them up as needed out of the bag.

I feed between 5-10 per day depending on the age of the squirrel.


BBVI...Weaning recipe

in a sandwich bag mix ( I use this method because I can blend the ingredients by squishing it with my hands.

1/2 cup finely ground rat block...KayTeeFortiDiet PLUS, Oxbow Regal Rat, Mazuri, SunSeed Critter Cubes
1/2 cup dry formula powder...can be powdered goatsmilk, FoxVally20/50, Esbilac,Goatsmilk Esbilac
1 - 4oz jar applesauce or ALL fruit babyfood such as Gerber organics pears and raspberry
1/8 tsp coconut oil


BBVII...adult recipe

in a sandwich bag mix ( I use this method because I can blend the ingredients by squishing it with my hands.

1/2 cup finely ground rat block...KayTeeFortiDiet PLUS, Oxbow Regal Rat, Mazuri, SunSeed Critter Cubes
2 tsp finely ground nuts...I prefer hazelnuts but pecans and other nuts can be used.
1-2 Tums or any antacid containing elemental calcium...Tums has 320mg
1 - 4oz jar applesauce or ALL fruit babyfood such as Gerber organics pears and raspberry
1/8 tsp coconut oil

You can also get Omega 3-6-9 capsules and and squeeze one in per bag mix.

Another thing people have done is roll these balls in Ca rich Sesame seeds.
there is really no end to the variety here.

[momma2boo]

It was deleted for some reason:thinking
I will repost when I find them...
I like the BBVs because it's not as MESSY and doesn't give formula burn like the wetter version

No Mugz ... it was there. It was post #13 on my Boo Ball thread.

I add multidolphilus to mine instead of benebac. I also crush sesame seeds like I do the pecans and add that. My picky squirrels will pick the sesame seeds off the Boo Balls and toss them to one side. LOL

[mugzeezma]

No Mugz ... it was there. It was post #13 on my Boo Ball thread.

I add multidolphilus to mine instead of benebac. I also crush sesame seeds like I do the pecans and add that. My picky squirrels will pick the sesame seeds off the Boo Balls and toss them to one side. LOL

Sounds like my kids with Sesame seed buns!
I meant it was deleted from this thread post #2

[momma2boo]

I meant it was deleted from this thread post #2

Doh! I didn't realize that it had been deleted.

[mugzeezma]

Doh! I didn't realize that it had been deleted.

You cannot see what is not there!!!:D

[mugzeezma]

A quality rodent block is the basis of your squirrel's diet from weaning until release. That's why it's important that the blocks are his first food, so that he learns to like them.

1. Kaytee makes a fairly tasty rodent block that you can buy at the pet store.

2. Large centers tend to feed the cheaper, less tasty blocks such as Mazuri. To get the weanling squirrels to eat them, they soak the blocks in formula at first, then gradually reduce the formula until the squirrel is eating the blocks plain.

3. If you use the booballs for weaning, you must also gradually reduce all the added ingredients until the squirrel is eating the blocks plain.

Booballs are a homemade recipe invented by two TSB members. The creators are in the process of figuring out the nutrient content of the balls. They appear to be high in fat, which can cause overweight and block nutrient absorption. Until the nutrient content is determined, they are not recommended as a substitute for either formula or rodent block.

Nonetheless, as you can see, the creators are very anxious to promote the balls.
No not anxious to promote it ... no one is getting paid for this.
YOu could grind HHbs and add applesauce or nut oil to entice.

It's not so much a product as a method that works.

It's simply neater than a pan of gruel... Ever try to clean up 12 formula caked 10w/o babies?:crazy :crazy :crazy
THis method has been a much neater way to introduce the block

I like it because it's something you can put together yourself.
The recipe for older adult squirrels has no formula in it and has TUMS and Omega3-6-9 added only with just even nuts to entice

[Jackie in Tampa]

I swear I am saying this in the most peaceful attempt...
But Kathie...have you ever tried Vita-Mix???
It and isolate protein can really save lives, and it's very easy to sprinkle on veggies, add to recipes etc...
No tums or guessing...it is weighed and measured very well, just soooo easy and knowing that they are getting everything allows me to sleep better.:Love_Icon

[mugzeezma]

I swear I am saying this in the most peaceful attempt...
But Kathie...have you ever tried Vita-Mix???
It and isolate protein can really save lives, and it's very easy to sprinkle on veggies, add to recipes etc...
No tums or guessing...it is weighed and measured very well, just soooo easy and knowing that they are getting everything allows me to sleep better.:Love_Icon

can Vita Mix be picked up at a local pet store?
I'll check it out
thanks
:D :grouphug
The whole point in my BooBall push is to provide people with a low cost, off the shelf recipe that can be put together THAT DAY.
Something that our animals will consume no matter how fussy they are.
While don't have the numbers that some of you have I can tell you that the animals I have fed these have been healthy and successfully released. Finnagin is included in that and he was a questionable neuro when he came in and is a big pound and half big bouncy fluffy happy boy.
As far as the tums are concerned
The reason for adding them is to offset the higher phos levels in the nuts
One Omega 3-6-9 capsule is based on 1/8 tsp Omega 3 per pound of food.
There is a D3 and omega 3 cap that I need to check into as well.
It's those overwintered indoor animals that need the boost ...of course.

There is nothing that says a BBV couldn't be an HHB to get them started
An HHBBv!
It's really about choices for the individual.

It would be nice to come up with numbers for a palatable BBV that people can make and feed their MBD squirrels daily.

As far as getting EXACTLY what they need...the boogers throw half of it on the floor and pee on it anyway...:shakehead

Jackie I truly have no issue with you...you are over the top passionate and I don't always know how to take that...so...:peace
I guess I don't always come across all sweet and nice either
Let's work together to make this board better place for everyone Okay?

[momma2boo]

Booballs are a homemade recipe invented by two TSB members. The creators are in the process of figuring out the nutrient content of the balls. They appear to be high in fat, which can cause overweight and block nutrient absorption. Until the nutrient content is determined, they are not recommended as a substitute for either formula or rodent block.

Nonetheless, as you can see, the creators are very anxious to promote the balls.


Although Mr.M2B would like to say he helped in developing the Boo Balls he didn't. He has helped me in my understanding of nutrition and some things I've tweeked within the recipe though.

As for me being anxious to promote them ... I am. I am always anxious to help picky squirrels eagerly eat something. I have no hidden agenda ... just a deep love for my late Boo-boy who inspired me to be a better person and do my best to help squirrels. (I am guessing we all share this attitude or we wouldn't be here).

If I have misread anything I am truly sorry ... today was the graduation at our college that my department is responsible for. It's been a long day and I am a bit punchy and overly tired.