Squirrels for sale

[momma2boo]

Someone posted about someone on Hoobly selling baby greys.

I contacted them and told them that it was illegal to sell wildlife and they emailed me in return.

This is what they said. Take notice who they apparently are. Is there anything we can do to stop them?

From: Patience Conway <allanimalflrescue@gmail.com>
To: "juliemrocco@att.net" <juliemrocco@att.net>
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:54:43 PM
Subject: Re: New Inquiry From juliemrocco

Illegal if you have license, inspected by USDA and if you are a rehabber.
Which we are. Thanks for wing nosey.

Thanks, Patience
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All Animals Rescue
Polk City, Fl
863.874.4347

[momma2boo]

I got a phone number for a 24 hour hotline for the Fla Wildlife Alert for wildlife law violations.

888-404-3922

I am just afraid of what they would do if they did confiscate the babies. Will they bring them to a rehabber or will they euthanize?

What should I do?

[mugzeezma]

I got a phone number for a 24 hour hotline for the Fla Wildlife Alert for wildlife law violations.

888-404-3922

I am just afraid of what they would do if they did confiscate the babies. Will they bring them to a rehabber or will they euthanize?

What should I do?
Checking it out Julie
I've seen baby racoons for sale in my area and called on them...Hoobly is big on exotics trade. Found a MARA on there last month.

[Lulu2010]

Checking it out Julie
I've seen baby racoons for sale in my area and called on them...Hoobly is big on exotics trade. Found a MARA on there last month.

Hi Mugz. Can u check any others? There's one in Minnesota too I'm worried about. The thread I started is also in nonlifethreatening and it has a link. One in Minnesota is selling foxes, raccoons, squirrels etc.

[mugzeezma]

Hi Mugz. Can u check any others? There's one in Minnesota too I'm worried about. The thread I started is also in nonlifethreatening and it has a link. One in Minnesota is selling foxes, raccoons, squirrels etc.

I'll do what I can

just saw a wallaby on Hoobly!!! a WALLABY !!!!

that's not right

even if a USDA breeder

I'm thinking that if the person M2B saw is USDA cert it's all on the up and up.
Not much can be done.
From what I can see, if you can afford the cost of an exotic animal you are probably pretty serious. The wallaby was $800 :shakehead beautiful creatures that should be free to run.

[Lulu2010]

I contacted the lady that's helped me a couple times from PETA. Gonna see what she says. I left a message. May not hear back til Monday. I'm sure we can find something illegal with these places. I called the one in Minnesota and left message inquiring about baby squirrel and shipping.

[mugzeezma]

I contacted the lady that's helped me a couple times from PETA. Gonna see what she says. I left a message. May not hear back til Monday. I'm sure we can find something illegal with these places. I called the one in Minnesota and left message inquiring about baby squirrel and shipping.

I'm scrolling through an infinite number of pages on squirrels for sale on HOOBLY
The worst part is reading the posts that are misspelled and semi literate saying something to the effect..." I wanna squirel real bad...You have no idea how bad..." AAAaaCK!
honey if you can't SPELL squirrel you probably shouldn't own one

I think I'm gonna be sick

[Tickle's Mom]

I'm scrolling through an infinite number of pages on squirrels for sale on HOOBLY
The worst part is reading the posts that are misspelled and semi literate saying something to the effect..." I wanna squirel real bad...You have no idea how bad..." AAAaaCK!
honey if you can't SPELL squirrel you probably shouldn't own one

I think I'm gonna be sick

And, ya can't fix "stupid"
:shakehead :shakehead :shakehead

[momma2boo]

I'll do what I can

just saw a wallaby on Hoobly!!! a WALLABY !!!!

that's not right

even if a USDA breeder

I'm thinking that if the person M2B saw is USDA cert it's all on the up and up.
Not much can be done.
From what I can see, if you can afford the cost of an exotic animal you are probably pretty serious. The wallaby was $800 :shakehead beautiful creatures that should be free to run.

USDA for Class I wildlife ... does not include squirrels. Squirrels are considered game mammals and therefore property of the state. Game Preserves or Farms with proper license and permits may operate for the protection, preservation, propagation, rearing, and production of game birds and animals for private and commercial purposes.

Any person owning land in this state may establish, maintain, and operate within the boundaries thereof a private preserve or farm not exceding 640 acres.

Game reared or produced on private game preserves and farms shall be considered domestic game and private property and may be sold or disposed of as such and shall be the subject of larceny. Live game may be purchased, sold, shipped, and transported for propagation and restocking purposes only at any time.

Any person violating this section for the first offense commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.775.082 or s.775.083, and for a second or subsequent offense commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s.775.082 or s.775.083. Any person convicted of violating this section shall forfeit to the commission any license for operating and no further license will be issued for a period of a year.

This all came from 2010 Florida Statutes under fish and wildlife conservation.

[mugzeezma]

USDA for Class I wildlife ... does not include squirrels. Squirrels are considered game mammals and therefore property of the state. Game Preserves or Farms with proper license and permits may operate for the protection, preservation, propagation, rearing, and production of game birds and animals for private and commercial purposes.

Any person owning land in this state may establish, maintain, and operate within the boundaries thereof a private preserve or farm not exceding 640 acres.

Game reared or produced on private game preserves and farms shall be considered domestic game and private property and may be sold or disposed of as such and shall be the subject of larceny. Live game may be purchased, sold, shipped, and transported for propagation and restocking purposes only at any time.

This all came from 2010 Florida Statutes under fish and wildlife conservation.

I think F&W needs a call!
can you get a FL resident to make a call for a purchase sting?

[momma2boo]

I know I can't since I've already made contact with them through email.

[Best Life]

just looked around and found this. :shakehead


http://animalswithpatience.webs.com/

[mugzeezma]

I know I can't since I've already made contact with them through email.

any FL resident will do
my area code would definitely be suspect but I can try it on monday

[momma2boo]

This is her recent response to me giving her the opportunity to do what is right or I will report her.
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What part of licensed rehabber don't you understand? It's not completely illegal- as if you look for breeders that are USDA inspected it is completely fine. How do you think we got these?
We got them from the sheriff as that's how we get most of them along with partners.


Squirrels are legal & they wouldn't come out as THEY gave them to me.


So please be on your way and stop telling me things I already know.


Thanks, Patience

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She is breaking the law and I am going to turn her in!

[mugzeezma]

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She is breaking the law and I am going to turn her in!


What part of wildlife rehabilitation does SHE not understand?

I do not believe that selling wildlife for a profit is included in her licensing description.
I think a call to her local police station is also inb order. They need to know that she is selling the babies and not rehabbing them to the wild where wild babies belong. She has a baby opossum up for sale as well.

[Best Life]

Wouldn't her website include some kind of license or permit info? something like:

...As required by law to possess or rehabilitate wildlife, we are licensed through Florida Fish & Wildlife Commission and hold a state permit, Class III, bird & small mammal permit ...

I haven't seen anything anywhere, licensed or not, that says if someone brings wildlife to you for the purpose of rescue/rehab, that you can then SELL them, or even give them away as if they are your 'property'.

Whether these little ones were snatched intentionally from their nests, or 'rescued' and brought to this place for rehab, selling them as pets is just so wrong that I can't even form words to describe it.

"Patience" does not sound very bright. This shouldn't be too difficult taking care of her, it's just the matter of the animals currently in her possession that may be in peril.

I wouldn't want to p/ss her off and have her disappear off the radar, or turn the animals loose to get rid of them.

[momma2boo]

I'd rather them turned loose than euthanized though. At least they would have a chance. I would prefer her to do the right thing and release them to a rehabber .... a REAL rehabber (someone with the best interest of the critter in mind)

[mugzeezma]

I'd rather them turned loose than euthanized though. At least they would have a chance. I would prefer her to do the right thing and release them to a rehabber .... a REAL rehabber (someone with the best interest of the critter in mind)

I doubt they would be euthanized. Most would be taken to another location but that could be worse.
If you knew of an actual licensed rehabber out there you could probably have the animals taken to them? At the very least have the authorities be aware that /of whats going on.
She did state that the police were bringing animals to her.

That's where we get ours

[4skwerlz]

From their website.... Lot of pics under "Survivors" link.
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[SquirrelsinSingapore]

worst part is reading the posts that are misspelled and semi literate saying something to the effect..." I wanna squirel real bad...You have no idea how bad..." AAAaaCK!
honey if you can't SPELL squirrel you probably shouldn't own one

I think I'm gonna be sick

I would like to second what mugzeezma said.
Think about the conditions of :Squirrel with misinformed owner
Think about the sq mum, losing her babies one after another.
Think about the restriction of freedom to a poor lit sq.

I say we ATTACK tinfoil

[DipityDane]

Looking at the amount of animals in that home(you can tell they are all taken within one home by the simlar flooring, etc in each pic), the general lack of upkeep, etc...I'd say they look like a glorified rescue aka HOARDER. :shakehead

[island rehabber]

that last pic is an accident waiting to happen: that baby is MUCH TOO YOUNG to be in a cage of ANY height, let alone on a freaking BIRD perch in a giant cage :soapbox:soapbox. This is one of those people who will come on later and say "I found my squirrel on the bottom of the cage dead, I just don't know what happened, gee I'm gonna miss him soooooooooooooooo much......." idiot!!!

You won't see me making sympathetic noises.,.....

[SquirrelNut]

Makes you want to put that person in the bird cage on the perch! Much agreed w/you, IR!

[SammysMom]

I'd rather shove the birdcage into that person!:dono

[Tickle's Mom]

I'd rather shove the birdcage into that person!:dono
:thumbsup :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :thumbsup

[bopster816]

Looking at the amount of animals in that home(you can tell they are all taken within one home by the simlar flooring, etc in each pic), the general lack of upkeep, etc...I'd say they look like a glorified rescue aka HOARDER. :shakehead
whats worst about hoarding is not only it hurts the person but it compromises the animals health. i really hope that baby on the perch in the cage wont be a victim of sum1s selfishness.:shakehead

[momma2boo]

A recent response from this POW (piece of work):


I don't really appreciate you thinking you know it all when obviously you are proving yourself more dumb than it is worth. You wanna call authorities on a damn squirrel but you have never been to our site and nor have even seen how we do things or how the animals are kept? Your a coward. And I hope you don't try and cause trouble because it's just going to be stupid crap that will happen then will go away. So but out of our rescue and leave us alone unless you plan on helping us. And so far you hvent and you think for some reason I'm lying to you or some crap when I'm telling you the truth. Infact if you want to get onto people get onto the people who breed them. We don't.
You want me to pull the ad then fine but that's still not going to stop me from giving her a good home as she is very tame, a runt and she has not even made a natural squeak like they should to be considered wild. That's why I'm adopting her out. I've had her around other squirrels try to attack her.
But I bet you a person of no compassion thinks survival of the fittest and she should probably die too?
I've had numerous people ask if they could eat her when I put her for free. And numerous ones saying they had a male (still intact) and I know what will happen there.


You still wanna report me I take it?




Thanks, Patience
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All Animals Rescue
Polk City, Fl
863.874.4347

[momma2boo]

Here is my email to her and her response. The good news is she is no longer going to sell the squirrel. <Thank You, Jesus>

Re: New Inquiry From juliemrocco
From: Patience Conway <allanimalflrescue@gmail.com>View Contact
To: Julie Rocco <juliemrocco@att.net>


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No if i actually am just giving her back to the lady where I got them so I don't even have to deal with Antibes crap.
And the possum was posted for free to experienced home
But I've decided to keep her an I bought her a ferret nation cage


Thanks, Patience
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All Animals Rescue
Polk City, Fl
863.874.4347
On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Julie Rocco <juliemrocco@att.net> wrote:


BTW: She can still be wilded up and set free. There is no need for her to be a NR unless she has a maloclussion and needs her teeth trimmed on a continual bases. I have had the tamest of squirrels ... no matter how tame they are they should be given the opportunity to be free in the trees where they belong. If you're worried about her being eaten when offered for free then offer her for free to one of the rehabbers who will wild her up and do a soft release.

What was your reasoning for selling the oppossum? Too tame too?

What you are doing is wrong and if you didn't know it now you do. If you continue then whatever Fish and Game decides to do is your own fault. I've tried to reason with you .... I've given you chance after chance to do the right thing. You obviously don't care about doing the right thing. You are making money from being a rehabber when real rehabbers spend money from their own pockets to do what is right for their critters and NEVER EVER sell them. NEVER! We don't do our critters like that.

Please don't email me any further unless you would like to give me your squirrel in an attempt to offer her what she deserves. I do not believe in survival of the fittest .... if she were truly a NR (non releasable) I would allow her to live a cushy life here with my other NR. I have one NR and will be getting another over the next 2 months (a sweet girl with a back injury who needs a forever home).

Thank you,
Julie

[Lulu2010]

Poor possum. :shakehead
:wahoo Squirrel not being sold. But who is she giving her back to? Is it a rehabber? Hope she is not just pulling the wool over our eyes. We need to stay on top of this. Hoobly is getting added to my favorites. :D

[momma2boo]

Poor possum. :shakehead
:wahoo Squirrel not being sold. But who is she giving her back to? Is it a rehabber? Hope she is not just pulling the wool over our eyes. We need to stay on top of this. Hoobly is getting added to my favorites. :D

Don't know ... trying to make nice with her right now. Hoping to turn her around in her thinking. She is not the brightest crayon in the box. I'd rather her do the right thing instead of having to turn her in but I am afraid she is just afraid and is not back peddling.

I will still need to report her and let them know about the emails between she and I.

I will have to forward them on to them ... I was also smart and copied and pasted her ad on Hoobly into an email and sent it to myself so they will be able to see that really existed. My momma didn't raise no fool. :D

[mugzeezma]

Don't know ... trying to make nice with her right now. Hoping to turn her around in her thinking. She is not the brightest crayon in the box. I'd rather her do the right thing instead of having to turn her in but I am afraid she is just afraid and is not back peddling.

I will still need to report her and let them know about the emails between she and I.

I will have to forward them on to them ... I was also smart and copied and pasted her ad on Hoobly into an email and sent it to myself so they will be able to see that really existed. My momma didn't raise no fool. :D

Excellent because the ad was removed.
I think she got her hand caught in the cookie jar because you cannot sell wild caught wildlife PERIOD licensed or not and the entire point behind the license to rehab is to put the animal right, or rehabilitate it back to it's environment.
Clearly she is in violation and can/should be stripped of her license.

[momma2boo]

Re: New Inquiry From juliemrocco
From: Patience Conway <allanimalflrescue@gmail.com>View Contact
To: Julie Rocco <juliemrocco@att.net>


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It's a double stack not a single stack I think I already said that.
I understand your help with the squirrel but I can not stress the fact of how much other squirrels attack her and I'm not making it up or anything. The last thing I need is the fish and game coming out and checking all of our equipment and god if there's one thing wrong that is out of date or if we have a cage that is not adequate even if it's not in use it's a $250 fine. I will just let my friend hav the squirrel once she is completely ready to be going to a home, I will have my friend like I said, come get her and whatever she decides is right I will let her decide.


The possum is not big enough for the double stack yet she is only about two lbs & rides the other animals' back still and rubs up against you like a cat. The possum and the squirrel get along but not with other wild animals.
If this lady seems to think she needs to be released (doubtful) I will have her release probably somewhere population is low and I will have to do some research on a personal level on where there are not many squirrels. Or if she has to keep her I will help her out with it. I don't have time for a squirrel who is needy like her. Never have I met a squirrel like this one.normally they play with toys, and jump around, bur she doesn't. She is not sick though and we had her checked out, her bacteria levels in her stomach are fine, no worms, no sickness, nothing. I do not know if maybe she fell out of a tree as a baby or what exactly had happened and maybe she has some brain damage, that maybe isn't critical but maybe psychologically it freaked her out.
Not sure.
I will read up about that. I understand you don't think it's right to make one cent off of a rehabber animal but if you only knew the amount of money for feed bill every week you would know that this money doesn't cover even half of it.
But if you think it will be a problem id rather be in debt than be in jail for something I'm still sure I'm allowed to do, but u assure me im not and it's easier to just give her back and hope for the best than deal with drama.
No the possum ad like I said I took down as I've crown very attached to her and have spent a lot in vet bills for her as she had a few broken toes and an ingrown toe nail (did nit know this could happen) but one of her toes actually sticks straight out and does not grasp like the others (making it that much harder for her)
And I know the possum loves me, she gives me kisses & rides my head as well.


Thanks, Patience
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All Animals Rescue
Polk City, Fl
863.874.4347
On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Julie Rocco <juliemrocco@att.net> wrote:


Ferret Nation is a good cage for a ferret but as the possum grows will need a much larger enclosure. I have a close friend who I refer to as a ferret guru and that is what he has for his. Sorry for my misinformation about the possum. That was something I was told ... didn't read it for myself.

If you cannot find a good home for this girl and she truly is non releasable I can help you find her a forever home with someone who knows what they are doing. My biggest concern is for the squirrel. Everybody wants one but 95% of them are clueless when it comes to what is best for them or how to handle them.

Please, before you decide to sell any squirrels in the future please consider giving them to another rehabber or experience squirrel owner. There are plenty of educated squirrel owner and wildlife rehabbers on www.thesquirrelboard.com . Any one of the members would be willing to help you out with any of your NRs.

Thank you,
Julie

[mugzeezma]

I figured she'd pull the 'cost for feed' card
Regardless what she needs wants money for it's ethically, morally, legally, WRONG.
It's not negotiable

If she needs $$$ she needs donations from her domestics NOT the rehabbed wilds.

[momma2boo]

I figured she'd pull the 'cost for feed' card
Regardless what she needs wants money for it's ethically, morally, legally, WRONG.
It's not negotiable

If she needs $$$ she needs donations from her domestics NOT the rehabbed wilds.

AGREED

[mugzeezma]

AGREED

preaching to the choir again... I know

[SquirrelRefuge]

I would think she would lose her license for selling wildlife. Perhaps another rehabilitator knows who to contact at the fish and wildlife department that is responsible for permitting rehabilitators in that area to ensure they are aware of what is going on. It doesnt surpise me that the police dont care, but the department of fish and wildlife can pull her permit with the snap of a finger.

[mugzeezma]

I would think she would lose her license for selling wildlife. Perhaps another rehabilitator knows who to contact at the fish and wildlife department that is responsible for permitting rehabilitators in that area to ensure they are aware of what is going on. It doesnt surpise me that the police dont care, but the department of fish and wildlife can pull her permit with the snap of a finger.

I seriously doubt she's licensed in the first place...it's easy enough to say you are.

[chieffanz4life]

You don't know how much it costs for feed, etc? This person obviously is using that as an excuse because anyone who has rehab ANY wild animal knows the cost. I spent $150 just to get started with Rocki. But I'd do it again! And I would sure like to send some pictures to anyone wanting a "pet" squirrel! My arms, back, legs and face all have scratches! Yes, there are some who need forever homes, but to just have a "pet" squirrel, that is absurd! I have used Rocki as a teaching experience to kids. I take her everywhere with me, including my son's ballgames, and of course, kids always want to see her and pet her. I just explain to them that, although I haved raised her, she is not a pet and will be released into the wild like she should be. I also tell them to never never try to catch a squirrel and show them the bite marks and scratches! You know what is even scarier than people wanting a "pet" squirrel is that probably the first time they get bit or scratched, the person is going to kill it or throw it outside. I've seen it happen with a cat before. Anyway, I'm glad there are people like you all out there to try to deter and educate. Unfortunately, we can't stop them all, but hopefully we can stop some.