Knothead

[virgo062]

Knotty had what we believe to be another seizure but this was so different than any he has had.....he was playing in the Sunroom and I stepped out just for a minute...I heard this horrible scream. I went in and he was screaming and thrashing on the floor. he had wet on himself and choking or gasping for breath...he didn't have anything in his throat. But the screaming , the screaming I can't get it out of my mind. It lasted about 2 minutes. he is very lethargic (hich he normally is after a seizure) but he is sneezing and patting at his nose....Any ideas?

[lilidukes]

Knotty had what we believe to be another seizure but this was so different than any he has had.....he was playing in the Sunroom and I stepped out just for a minute...I heard this horrible scream. I went in and he was screaming and thrashing on the floor. he had wet on himself and choking or gasping for breath...he didn't have anything in his throat. But the screaming , the screaming I can't get it out of my mind. It lasted about 2 minutes. he is very lethargic (hich he normally is after a seizure) but he is sneezing and patting at his nose....Any ideas?

Have you rubbed his gums with molasses or syrup

[lilidukes]

Honey I'm so sorry :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Seizures deplete their calcium reserves that is why molasses is so good to use.

[virgo062]

I am doing that now...He did eat a good dinner tonight...I had to hand feed him but he ate really good...I don't know something is just not right...My gut feeling is not good:dono

[lilidukes]

Sugar and calcium, warm and calm. I don't know what else to tell you.

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[Tickle's Mom]

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Do you have access to a vet? I don't know anything about seizures in squirrels, just dogs. Dark, calm room and molasses for sure. :grouphug

[Rhapsody]

Is it possible that a blood vessel popped or burst and is now causing pain with a slow unnoticeable drainage...... brain fluid can drain down the nasal canal which will leave a metallic taste in the mouth.

[virgo062]

I'm concerned about pneumonia since he was choking....

[virgo062]

Is it possible that a blood vessel popped or burst and is now causing pain with a slow unnoticeable drainage...... brain fluid can drain down the nasal canal which will leave a metallic taste in the mouth.


Oh My Lord...I dont' know about that....he does not appear to be in pain now..He was on his side just kicking and screaming...there is no way he fell or swallowed anything. Knothead can't really jump. That's why we are thinking seizure...

[virgo062]

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Do you have access to a vet? I don't know anything about seizures in squirrels, just dogs. Dark, calm room and molasses for sure. :grouphug

I have one Vet that will treat Knotty I am going to call him tomorrow but truthfully what is he going to say? I can suggest some tests...he is a nice man and very good with my domestic animals but not as responsive as I would like when it comes to Knotty. Twice he has told me Knothead was goig to die:shakehead

[lilidukes]

Deb I'm going to step back because I honestly don't know what to tell you. Call me if I can help in any way.

I have to get my zoo settled in for the night.

Thoughts and prayers for all of you:grouphug

[Tickle's Mom]

I have one Vet that will treat Knotty I am going to call him tomorrow but truthfully what is he going to say? I can suggest some tests...he is a nice man and very good with my domestic animals but not as responsive as I would like when it comes to Knotty. Twice he has told me Knothead was goig to die:shakehead

Just need some others to come on here who have had experience with seizures and offer suggestions. Is he calm now? How is he acting?

[Chickenlegs]

I have nothing to add but love and sweet kisses for Knotty and prayers for you all. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[virgo062]

he is calm right now...he is sleeping. the seizures take a lot out of him and it takes several hours for him to recover...but I've never seen one like this. I felt like he was in so much pain and the choking...I did take him out for syrup and he tried to bite me but not much success

[Chickenlegs]

Well at least he's biting--that's something Knotheadish! Poor little guy. The screaming may not be pain. When people seize they can yell or scream but it's all part of the neuro short circuit. Doesn't make anything better for YOU! Love you Knotty!

[JLM27]

When people have epileptic fits (seizures?) I was always taught you had to get something between their teeth to "keep them from swallowing their tongue". I had no idea what this meant. I think later I figured I must have heard wrong, and it was "keep them from biting their tongue". But, is there a choking component to epilepsy?

Could a bug have bitten him? Poor little guy. He must have been terrified. I pity him, and you too, because I know how much you love Knotty.

[virgo062]

I'm leaving for Destin next Sunday...My son is taking care of him. All he has to do is feed him but I wish I had someone with a little experience to care for him. I thought about taking him but the 7 hour drive would be to stressful. There really is nothing you can do when he is having a seizure bit hold him and make sure he does not hurt himself....But he likes to be rocked several hours after one:grouphug I'm sure he will be fine this seizure was just so different than I am use to....If it was a seizure. Could he have urine problems? Maybe he was trying to pee and it hurt?

[Tickle's Mom]

Prayers and hope coming your way :Love_Icon

[virgo062]

When people have epileptic fits (seizures?) I was always taught you had to get something between their teeth to "keep them from swallowing their tongue". I had no idea what this meant. I think later I figured I must have heard wrong, and it was "keep them from biting their tongue". But, is there a choking component to epilepsy?

Could a bug have bitten him? Poor little guy. He must have been terrified. I pity him, and you too, because I know how much you love Knotty.

No bugs in the Sunroom...it's pretty much Knotty proof. It is a tile floor he could have tried to jump on something and fell...but knothead really does not jump. When I left him he was just going round and round the chair (it has a round bottom) That's what is so bad the thought of him needing me and I am not there for him:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Oh sending many prayers for little Knothead....poor little baby doll.:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
Perhaps there is somebody close by with experience that could watch him while you are gone. Wished I lived near you....:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

Oh no... poor little pea-knot ....:Love_Icon That sweet little baby, I am keeping him, and you, in my prayers hoping everything turns out ok. :grouphug I wish I could do more to be of help to you :(

[squirrely pearly]

just a thought , and I know you are so worried about him..speaking of biting their tongue while in seizure..could he have been biting his own tongue and couldnt' stop because of the seizure? so he screamed ..I'm sure it would be very painful..those teeth of theirs! Debbie, you know I know absolutely nothing about medical stuff..but I just had read that post about tongues and had that idea.

About the pee thing..has he p'd since? do squirrels get kidney stones? I'm so sorry this happened so close to your vacation..and I know you need one! hate you have to worry..I'd volunteer to watch him, but I'm pretty useless medically and if he had a seizure here..I'd probably have one too. :shakehead

[Jackie in Tampa]

Most sqs do urinate during seizures.
I have traveled with many sqs, I would take him if you will have a hotel, a quiet room.
Each seizure deletes brain calcium, hence why I always say molasses as it has calcium in it. (TY, lili)

Could it be MBD?

are you think nuero logical disorder..
Pheno is usually prescribed for this...nothing else works. It is reco'd as a preventative.
If Pheno is used, it will be twice a day minimum every day for the rest of his life.

Been around many head trauma sq with seizures and many dietary sqs with seizures.
NO matter the sq or the situation, a good diet will help a zillion times over.
If a sq is tettering on bad health with or without head trauma, they are going to seize..and more often.
I will pick up and hold the sq, they are always exhaused afterwards.
Support his body, keeping your hands and fingers away from his mouth. I have been bitten during a seizure and you must wait until seizure is over, taking the bite.

I have a sq here that I thought I was going to lose to seizures. His name is Lucky, he was hit by a car when he was young, losing an eye also, serious head trauma, he circled til I got him stable, months later...
time passed and he started having seizures, truthfully, i hate medicines and only truly wanted to try everything i could try before putting him on pheno for life..
i did succeed stopping the seizures, there were so many...he had at one time been a sweet social sq, he is now the most beautiful healthiest sq, but mean...the brain activity, nuero damage was irreversible.
i stopped all nuts..as in he had none for months. he had a specific diet and i had to scold fred...but after fred saw the intensity of each seizure, he also stuck to the diet i had planned.
lucky has been seizure free for a very long time.
reguardless as to why the seizure, the diet must be right, the brain must be as healthy as possible, only nutrition will fix that, the meds will be useless if he is not healthy.
Tough love and your calm attitude will do wonders.
Get him eating well first. He will not starve, he may hold a grudge, but he will eat if only healthy foods are offered.
I believe in HHBs, I don't think anything else is as good...and I have experience with many sqs for many years...
The last time I tried to help you , you shut me down...so I hope I am not wasting my time here. I type slow.
Others will have info that they read or heard...I walk the walk and ONLY post what I KNOW thru my experiences or hours of talking with my vets.
If I can help with details about pheno or diet change, call me.
Knothead...eat your kale.
In the mean time, I would pad the tile floor...or contain him, or just really add all the safety you can in his area..some seizures are violent.
Good luck Debbie and Knothead:grouphug

[island rehabber]

:goodpost All the book-learning, seminar-attending and pinky-nursing in the world is useless compared to those who have actual experience with neuro squirrels. :bowdown Jackie :bowdown

[virgo062]

Jackie I will call you tonight after work...Send me your number:thumbsup

I would take Knothead with me but just taking him from the Sunroom is a major ordeal for him. I'm afraid the 7 hour drive would be to stressful for him. He likes his Sunroom and no where else. I wish I could get out of this trip.

Knothead has a very good diet and the only nut he get is a Pecan. I hand feed him sweet potato, mushrooms and many greens....Rick gives him the Pecans. But I will take those from him. I figured a few pecans would not hurt since he eats his healthy foods so good. He chews on Tums and will on occassion take some FV. If you will send me the full name of the Pheno I will ask his Vet for some...Gotta run...Back to the dentist then off to work

[virgo062]

God I am such a emotional wreck....Sitting in the dentist chair with tears streaming down my face...

[Tickle's Mom]

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[virgo062]

Jackie you know I would let Knothead chew off my finger before I would let him hurt himself....This was not a biting it was a choking or gasping his mouth was wide open and I did not see any injury inside his mouth...I can tell he has not been out of his bed this morning but I did check on him and his eyes are bright and clear just like they should be....He's just very very tired. He is pretty much a lazy squirrel anyway so I was not surprised that he was not up this morning

[stosh2010]

Not a cure...but I keep Calcium "Cones" in Rama Rota's castle ...alll the time. He will go to it once or twice throughout the day for a few nibbles. But it's funny,,,before every 10 am NAP and before he goes down for the "NIGHT " 2 pm he ALWAYS stops, chews the CONE and then goes into his nest box...
Squirrel Valium ???
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Stosh >>> keeper of Rama Rota ( KING of Costa Rica )

CLICK HERE to VISIT him :
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27141&page=260

[virgo062]

Stosh were do you get them? I know Knotty has a good diet but a little extra calcium would be good. He chews on Tums but is that enough?

[Baxied]

Debbie, I am not experienced with seizures at all, but I am squirrel experienced. I will be glad to watch Knotty for you while you are gone if you would like for me to. I could always consult with one of the rehabbers near me if something should happen while you are away.

Either way, I am praying for little Knotty and his family!:grouphug

[stosh2010]

Stosh were do you get them? I know Knotty has a good diet but a little extra calcium would be good. He chews on Tums but is that enough?
Pet Smart or PetCo...I was in Seattle when I found them...They may be in the bird section...chew toys. Some different shaped ones have more sulfur in the ingredients..not sure which ratio is best, ( Calcium to Sulfur)
Here is a photo of one the ones I found.

[virgo062]

Debbie, I am not experienced with seizures at all, but I am squirrel experienced. I will be glad to watch Knotty for you while you are gone if you would like for me to. I could always consult with one of the rehabbers near me if something should happen while you are away.

Either way, I am praying for little Knotty and his family!:grouphug


I really thought about asking you to watch him for me....I really worry about stressing him out....Is it BEST for Knothead to stay where he is comfortable and let Michael feed him OR stess him out by moving him to a place he is not familier with??? As far as the seizures there is really nothing you can do but hold him and make sure he does not hurt himself....You will get scratched up in the process...Then hold him for several hours after to relax him. What would be BEST for Knothead? I just worry that he will have another seizure while I am gone....I have a call into the Vet

[Baxied]

If you bring him to me he can have the guest room, and he will not be disturbed by anyone other than me.

As far as getting scratched up that happens on a daily basis with Miss Cecil's climbing on me. I suit up, but I still get the occasional claw on my neck, hands, etc. (The leaves are just starting to emerge up here, so soon she will be a free squirrel!!!):)

It is tough to know what is the right thing to do for Knotty under the circumstances, but you can only follow what your heart says is best.

I am available if you need me, and it would be my pleasure to meet the infamous Knothead.

[virgo062]

I know you would be a awesome Knotty sitter and I would feel better knowing he is in good hands.....I will talk to Rick:thumbsup

[virgo062]

I think I can take knotty off the endangered species list....I stuck my hand in his bed tonight to pet him and first I got the warning(ignored) Then the bite attack. Dam near took my finger off:thumbsup

[Nancy in New York]

I think I can take knotty off the endangered species list....I stuck my hand in his bed tonight to pet him and first I got the warning(ignored) Then the bite attack. Dam near took my finger off:thumbsup

WELCOME BACK KNOTTY.....BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD TODAY!!!!!!
:jump :jump :jump

[Scooterzmom]

Welcome back naughty Knotty :rotfl :rotfl :jump

[Tickle's Mom]

I think I can take knotty off the endangered species list....I stuck my hand in his bed tonight to pet him and first I got the warning(ignored) Then the bite attack. Dam near took my finger off:thumbsup


Ahem......um, um, WHICH finger did he go for??:hidechair

[stosh2010]

the warning ....(ignored)

With the KING...all warnings( Chit-Chit -Chit)
are taken seriously ( Back Away...Now)

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Stosh >>> keeper of Rama Rota ( King of Costa Rica )

[JLM27]

Sounds like Knothead came to his senses, finally.

Poor sweet baby, these seizures are just awful! I feel so bad for the little punkin'. Give him an extra snuggle for Squantie Jill.

[virgo062]

Knothead had another seizure this morning.....There was blood all over him thank God it was Ricks...Knotty bit him to the bone

I have a call into his Doctor any suggestions other than Pheno?

[mugzeezma]

Knothead had another seizure this morning.....There was blood all over him thank God it was Ricks...Knotty bit him to the bone

I have a call into his Doctor any suggestions other than Pheno?
potassium bromide?
valium? ( for you AND Knotty JK:tilt)

poor babies :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Tickle's Mom]

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I have a dog on both PB and pheno. It'll be okay. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[virgo062]

He did take about 10cc of FV because I knew he would not eat his breakfast...This is two seizures in 5 days...I don't want to use the Pheno if I don't have to :(

[virgo062]

Potassium Bromide (abbreviated as KBr) is often considered the first choice drug for any dogs with idiopathic epilepsy, and because it has no effect on the liver, is often chosen for dogs with liver damage. Unlike Phenobarbital (Pb), which is processed by the liver,

[virgo062]

The PetAlive ComboPack of EaseSure and PetCalm consists of multiple remedies that work well together to provide increased support for your pets condition. This ComboPack helps to treat and prevent seizures and reduce general anxiety. The EaseSure treats epilepsy and prevents seizures while the PetCalm reduces stress and anxiety while promoting relaxation especially during the stressful time of occurances of seizures.

I did order this for him but had not started him on it yet.....It's supposed to be all natural

[mugzeezma]

EaseSure

EaseSure contains the following natural ingredients:

*

Passion flower (Passiflora incarnata) is an herb used to soothe the nerves and support the routine equilibrium of the nervous system. The active ingredients in this herb include flavonoids, cyanogenic glycosides, alkaloids and saparin. Passiflora has also stood up well to clinical studies which support its traditional usage as a soothing and moderating herb. (Akhondzadeh S, Naghavi HR, Vazirian M, Shayeganpour A, Rashidi H, Khani M. Passion flower in the treatment of generalized anxiety: a pilot double-blind randomized controlled trial with oxazepam. J Clin Pharm Ther. 2001; 26(5):369-373).
*

Skullcap (Scuttelaria laterifolia) is an herbal tonic that has been traditionally used to ease non-debilitating feelings of being 'overwhelmed'. It has well-known carminative properties, helping to support the natural equilibrium normally present in the mind and contributing to the maintenance of a healthy attitude and 'even keel'. (Wolfson, P. and Hoffmann, D. L. “An investigation into the efficacy of Scutellaria lateriflora in healthy volunteers.“ Altern Ther Health Med 2003;9(2):74-78.). Active ingredients include flavonoids, tannins, bitter, volatile oil and minerals.
*

Hyoscyamus (30C) is a natural remedy with some common mental and emotional themes running through all its various expressions. This remedy tends to suit those animals that are prone to jealousy if they feel the attention they receive is being threatened.
*

Belladonna (30C) suits those that have a tendency towards a common 'crampy' discomfort, often being sensitive and 'jumpy', startling easily.
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Cuprum mettalicum (30C) is a natural preparation which supports continued stability in the nervous system while at the same time encouraging routine digestive function.

[mugzeezma]

Pet Calm

PetCalm contains the following homeopathic ingredients:

* Scutellaria (3X) is one of the best-known homeopathic remedies for soothing the nervous system and may be used as acute symptoms present themselves.
* Passiflora (3X) is another natural remedy that has been used since the 19th century to soothe the nerves. Modern research supports traditional usage and clinical trials have demonstrated the relaxing effects of Passiflora. (Akhondzadeh S, Naghavi HR, Vazirian M, Shayeganpour A, Rashidi H, Khani M. “Passionflower in the treatment of generalized anxiety: a pilot double-blind randomized controlled trial with oxazepam.” J Clin Pharm Ther. 2001;26(5):369-373.)
* Kali phos (6C) is a biochemic tissue salt with many therapeutic benefits and will help to maintain nervous system equilibrium and harmony.
* Arg nit (30C) is well known for soothing the nerves and providing support for the nervous system. It is also useful to promote digestive health.
* Sucrose (inactive ingredient)

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[mugzeezma]

PET HEAL

I looked at this and posted because it has Arnica...known to have healing properties for neuro cases


PetHeal contains the following 100% natural ingredients:

* Huang Qi (Astragalus membranaceous) is an herb which has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for many centuries as a revitalizing tonic. Recent research also confirms the positive effect of Astragalus on immune functioning (Liu X, Wang M, Wu H, Zhao X, Li H. “Isolation of astragalan and its immunological activities”. Tianran Chanwu Yanjiu Yu Kaifa . 1994;6:23-31.)
* Narrow-leaved purple coneflower(Echinacea angustifolia) is the best known and researched herb for supporting the immune system. Over 500 scientific studies have documented the effectiveness of this herb. Research has shown that Echinacea supports healthy activity of the immune system cells, and supports new tissue growth. Many studies have been conducted with regards to this herb and its benefits to the immune system. (Schoneberger D. “The influence of immune-stimulating effects of pressed juice from Echinacea purpurea on the course and severity of colds”. Results of double-blind study. Forum Immunol 1992;8:2-12.)
* Arnica (30C) is a highly respected remedy, helping to maintain the body’s own natural restorative functions. Human research suggests Arnica has great supportive properties for post-operative periods. (Brinkhaus, B., Wilkens, J. M., Ludtke, R., Hunger, J., Witt, C. M., and Willich, S. N. “Homeopathic arnica therapy in patients receiving knee surgery: results of three randomized double-blind trials”. Complement Ther Med 2006;14(4):237-246.)
* Calendula (30C) is well known for its tonic effect on skin, bones, muscles and connective tissue.

[virgo062]

I talked to Jackie last week and we talked about the Pheno but she suggested that only if there are clusters of seizures and I agree with her. I really don't want Knotty on anything unnatural long term with side affects....I just ordered the Pet Heal...Do you think I should ask for some Metacam just in case...I really don't know if he is hurting or not....

[mugzeezma]

I wouldn't use metacam...baby motrin would be better for muscle soreness after a seizure if that's what you're thinking.

Phenobarb long term...gotta weigh that one.

Pros
no more seizures
each seizure causes brain damage
chances are that they will start to occur more frequently as he gets older so managing seizures is important.

Cons
liver damage

six of one half a dozen off the other :dono

ABSOLUTELY try the products you mentioned and discuss other options with your vet like Potassium or Sodium Bromide.
Does Knothead show any signs, are there any signals before he seizes?
If you knew then you could give him Valium?

[virgo062]

Each time he's had a seizure I have been in another room...This is two in 5 days THAT I KNOW OF.....Who knows how many he is having while I am at work. And I wonder why his seizures have changed? I'm going to ask the Vet

[virgo062]

I'm going with the natural approach....I am not a fan of medications myself so I can't put them in his body unless absolutely neccessary...Knotty has a good diet but I am taking his Pecan treats away completely. :osnap

Potassium he can get from Bananas which as long as I hand feed him he will eat them otherwise they go on the floor

[mugzeezma]

Each time he's had a seizure I have been in another room...This is two in 5 days THAT I KNOW OF.....Who knows how many he is having while I am at work. And I wonder why his seizures have changed? I'm going to ask the Vet
brain damage and different parts of the brain are misfiring that's why... headed to Dr off and hosp...will answer when I get back
seizures can happen in sleep...son had them...eyelid fluttering

later

[Baxied]

:grouphug Knotty, Rick and you!:grouphug

[JLM27]

Dear Lord, we ask for your grace to help and comfort Knotty and his family. Please help him find healing and stability for his epilepsy. Help his humans find the right medicine to bring balance to his brain and calm these disturbances. Thy will be done on earth as in heaven. This we ask in Jesus' name, Amen.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[virgo062]

Dear Lord, we ask for your grace to help and comfort Knotty and his family. Please help him find healing and stability for his epilepsy. Help his humans find the right medicine to bring balance to his brain and calm these disturbances. Thy will be done on earth as in heaven. This we ask in Jesus' name, Amen.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Thank you....but it made me cry...at work

And Knothead thanks you

[Nancy in New York]

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[Nancy in New York]

Thank you....but it made me cry...at work

And me at home...:Love_Icon

[Fireweed]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Busysqrl]

Praying for you and sweet little Knotty :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Rianna]

Dear Lord, we ask for your grace to help and comfort Knotty and his family. Please help him find healing and stability for his epilepsy. Help his humans find the right medicine to bring balance to his brain and calm these disturbances. Thy will be done on earth as in heaven. This we ask in Jesus' name, Amen.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Amen!!!
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[virgo062]

Just talked to Rick and he said Knotty was doing very well....Seemed to have a quicker recovery from this one...He is jumping around his cage...After his seizure I gave him a couple of drops of the Pet EaseSure a pinch of the Pet Calm and 10 cc of FV..

Maybe just maybe this medicine will help him...Sure had a faster revovery this time than last time:thumbsup

Now about Rick....His finger is swollen:rotfl and really sore:rotfl...May not help his golf game next week:rotfl His golf sucks anyway:rotfl

[virgo062]

Knottys Doctor talked to the experts on squirrels in Knoxville....He is leaning towards a calcium deficiency...He wants me to continue with the homopathic medicine along with TUMs, TUMS, TUMS...I have not been given Knotty as many Tums as I should...He wants to give it 30 days then if Knotty is not better he suggests the Pheno...

[mugzeezma]

Knottys Doctor talked to the experts on squirrels in Knoxville....He is leaning towards a calcium deficiency...He wants me to continue with the homopathic medicine along with TUMs, TUMS, TUMS...I have not been given Knotty as many Tums as I should...He wants to give it 30 days then if Knotty is not better he suggests the Pheno...

potassium and sodium crashes can do it to.....'lytes

will he eat banana?


who needs golf anyway

[virgo062]

potassium and sodium crashes can do it to.....'lytes

will he eat banana?


who needs golf anyway

he will eat whatever I am holding for him:osnap Knothead eats a lot of sweet potato which has potassium

[mugzeezma]

Does he get any vitamin mineral supplements?
Do YOU think it's calcium related?

[virgo062]

I think he has not been getting the calcium he needs....He has a healthy green diet with sweet potatos and mushrooms and HHB'S but I have fallen short in the Tums department...So yes I think it may be calcium. I will blame his past seizures to head trauma but these are so violent I have to think he is lacking something (other than brains) Here's the deal though....It takes several hours for Knotty to recover from seizures that I understand BUT if it's a calcium problem would he actually recover as if nothing has happened? I'm just asking because I don't know

[virgo062]

Does he get any vitamin mineral supplements?


And in the past no...But I just got the chilly chews that Stosh gives the King and those will stay in his cage at all times

[stosh2010]

Don't forget the TUMS also...I think they may offer a faster, more concentrated Calcium serving...
But Rama does love his "CONES" ...

Stosh >>> Keeper of Rama Rota ( King of Costa Rica )

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27141&page=264

[virgo062]

I think that may be the rpoblem Stosh....I did forget the Tums:dono

[mugzeezma]

I think he has not been getting the calcium he needs....He has a healthy green diet with sweet potatos and mushrooms and HHB'S but I have fallen short in the Tums department...So yes I think it may be calcium. I will blame his past seizures to head trauma but these are so violent I have to think he is lacking something (other than brains) Here's the deal though....It takes several hours for Knotty to recover from seizures that I understand BUT if it's a calcium problem would he actually recover as if nothing has happened? I'm just asking because I don't know
If electrolyte imbalance it will be different shorter seizures than the head trama
I THINK don't know for sure
HHB's do contain a lot of Ca
If he's getting mushrooms and D3 than this should not be an issue
what he may be lacking is D3
I add rat Vits w/ D3 to the squeekids water

is he eating his HHBs?

have you tried BooBalls?

[virgo062]

He eats his HHB'S and lord I don't have time to make Boo Balls:osnap I guess it can't hurt to add vitimans to his water....Where do you get them?

He gets his Vitiman D from the Sun but he spends a lot of time in his house and he's on the West side of the house

[stosh2010]

RamaMama give the KING Fox Valley ( he loves to drink his 12 cc from a syringe--2 X a week), Boo Balls (made with Fox Valley), Vitamin supplements in his water and the Calcium cones...and we watch his dietary balance in the fruits and veges we give him ( Cal/Pho ratio).
It is a daily--4 phase --attack to keeping him strong ( we hope)

[mugzeezma]

He eats his HHB'S and lord I don't have time to make Boo Balls:osnap I guess it can't hurt to add vitimans to his water....Where do you get them?

He gets his Vitiman D from the Sun but he spends a lot of time in his house and he's on the West side of the house
Do the Tums but....????

What pet pet stores do you have around you?

[stosh2010]

Boo Balls can be time consuming...but we make a large batch into many small portions to freeze, and only take out what we will use in 2 or 3 days.

[virgo062]

Pet Smart, Pet Co and a few small ones

[virgo062]

I may tackle the Boo's when I get back from vacation...I am willing to try anything to keep the knot healthy

[mugzeezma]

Pet Smart, Pet Co and a few small ones

This is what I have been using ...for what it's worth
You can order it online or Petsmart may have it in stock...I would call first
It's marketed for hamsters, rats, and mice

Also if you wish I will grind the nuts and KayteeFortiDiet Plus, Oxbow Regal Rat and nuts and you can mix with your FV and baby food or applesauce...I can even send you a glob of coconut oil...for the price of nuts and shipping....I have a ton of rat block so who can figure the cost on that!

I mix up a half cup or so with a jar of pears and raspberry baby food in a sandwich baggy and roll a few for the kids every day am and pm...takes a minute or 2...the rest I keep in the freezer

I grind up the bulk of it in the freezer once a month


http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752411#prodTab1

Guaranteed Analysis (per Fluid Ounce of Undiluted Vita-Drops for Hamsters & Similar Pets - minimum quantities):
Vitamin A (Palmitate) 20,000.0 IU, Vitamin D3 1,350.0 IU, Vitamin E (dl-Alpha Tocopheryl) 40 IU, Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) 175 mg, Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 0.015 mg, Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 1.5 mg, Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 7.75 mg, Niacinamide 65.0 mg, d-Pantothenic Acid 15.0 mg, Vitamin K 30.00.005 mg, Folic Acid 2.0 mg, Biotin 0.5 mg, Choline 60.0 mg

Instructions:
Can be added to the food or the drinking water, whichever is more appropriate an accepted by the small animal. The preferred method is to add to the animal's daily drinking water. However, some small animals may prefer clear non-fortified water, in which case the vitamins may be applied directly to their food.

For Drinking Water:
Add to daily drinking water at the dosage listed below. Whenever possible use a sanitary water bottle instead of an open water dish, which can be easily contaminated with debris.

For Hamsters, Mice, Rats, Gerbils & Similar Pocket Pets:
2 drops per each ounce of drinking water

For Food:
Some pocket pets do not drink much water. In these cases, vitamins may be applied or dribbled onto pet's food. Stir 1 or 2 drops into about 1 tablespoon of food, then layer the fortified food on top of the pet's feed dish. Check to be sure that the vitaminized food has been consumed within 24 hours. If the pet refuses to eat the fortified food, feed the usual plain diet for 3 days and try again.

[virgo062]

Also if you wish I will grind the nuts and KayteeFortiDiet Plus, Oxbow Regal Rat and nuts and you can mix with your FV and baby food or applesauce...I can even send you a glob of coconut oil...for the price of nuts and shipping....I have a ton of rat block so who can figure the cost on that!


:thumbsup I don't care what it cost:thumbsup

The only grinding I can do is on the dance floor:poke

You send it to me and tell me what to pay you:thumbsup That's how I roll!

[Jackie in Tampa]

no vitamins in the water...
water should be water..
leave it alone.
If anything additional is needed diet wise, it should not be in the water.

If a proper diet is offered, and ATE {that's the issue} according to the healthy diet in the nutrition section here, Knotty would be ok.
I think it is diet also, but it takes a strong upper hand and serious tough love to get there.

Do not add D3 to anything, the HHBs are comp[lete. AND No junk!!!!!!!!!
HHBs in the morning, salad for lunch {variety changed daily}, FV and nuts at night..
that's it, nothing else.
The cones that stosh suggested are the same thing as tums and cuddle bone...I always have a big calcium tablet or a plain tums, or a cuddle bone in every cage for my kids ....if they feel they need it, it's there.

we all eat when we are hungry...if the only thing in the pantry is healthy and we aren't in the mood, oh well...when we get hungry enough we will eat that yucky Kashi cereal...and that's the way it has to be with captive sqs.
I have never heard of a sq that died from holding out for junk...:rotfl
If they do not know junk exists, they will be healthy...period.

I am not saying this just to you about Knothead..
it's the way it is.

You can get 5 cent advise on any corner, this is heart advise.XOXOX

[mugzeezma]

:thumbsup I don't care what it cost:thumbsup

The only grinding I can do is on the dance floor:poke

You send it to me and tell me what to pay you:thumbsup That's how I roll!


PM your address and send five cents to my street corner :rotfl

what kind of FV do you have?

[virgo062]

32/40

And I don't stand on anyone else corner.....My corner charges $1.00

[mugzeezma]

32/40

And I don't stand on anyone else corner.....My corner charges $1.00

I'm cheap but I ain't easy!

[virgo062]

when we get hungry enough we will eat that yucky Kashi cereal...

I would rather starve......

[tomcics]

Sending my prayers out to little Knottie too. Hope he can become 100% well. Really feel bad for him, he is such special guy.

[virgo062]

Sending my prayers out to little Knottie too. Hope he can become 100% well. Really feel bad for him, he is such special guy.

Hi Tomcics thanks for your support...if I remember correctly you have some neuro squirrels? And you use the homopathy medicines?

[virgo062]

I have been slacking in the FV and the Tums department...MY FAULT:dono
Even though Knotty has a good diet he still needs that Calcium. He's not had a tums in months. It's easy to forget when they are healthy...But I can't do that!!! Knothead has been off the junk for MONTHS with a few Pecans here and there but he is such a good boy he really does not eat them that often.

Back on the CALCIUM rich diet with fresh veggies and blocks...I just read a post where little ACE dies today and it sounded like MBD he went so fast:grouphug I will not forget again:thumbsup

It's hard to admit our faults:osnap But if Knotty suffers because of my stupid fast paced life I could not forgive myself

[mugzeezma]

Fall down but get back up...that's all you can do girl...do not be hard on yourself because life happens.....do me a favor and remind me I said this in a couple of months

[tomcics]

Hi Tomcics thanks for your support...if I remember correctly you have some neuro squirrels? And you use the homopathy medicines?

Hi Virgo062, I have a couple neuro squirrels but their not in real bad shape, I treated Sally with Ivermectin because she had other problems, I think she is also part blind.
You have really taken such good care of Knotty, he could not have a better Mom.

[Jackie in Tampa]

has anyone heard from virgo?

[mugzeezma]

has anyone heard from virgo?
she's on vacation in the panhandle

[Jackie in Tampa]

Knot head...tell your mommy to ck in when she calls you, please!!!!