Please help my squirrel is depressed

[My boys]

Hi I'm new to raising squirrels & I had one die on Tuesday from an unfortunate accident & now his brother is so depressed I had to take him out of his hammock today to make him eat. It is killing me that he's so depressed what can I do. Please help :shakehead

[CritterMom]

Can you tell us how old he is?

He misses his sib. You can hold him and carry him around, or even sit with your hand in his bed. Give him some stuffed toys about his size. A rice buddy (pour dry rice into a sock until it is about his size, tie it off, and nuke it in the microwave until warm - even if he is still on a heating pad it is nice to have something warm to cuddle with. As much time as you can spend with him on your chest near your heart where he can feel and hear it is good, too. Don't worry about him bonding too close to you; he needs comfort from you now.

[lilidukes]

Can you tell us how old he is?

He misses his sib. You can hold him and carry him around, or even sit with your hand in his bed. Give him some stuffed toys about his size. A rice buddy (pour dry rice into a sock until it is about his size, tie it off, and nuke it in the microwave until warm - even if he is still on a heating pad it is nice to have something warm to cuddle with. As much time as you can spend with him on your chest near your heart where he can feel and hear it is good, too. Don't worry about him bonding too close to you; he needs comfort from you now.


Crittermom is right on it.:thumbsup Keep that baby very close to you. Rub, pet hold and talk to him. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[My boys]

:thankyou Thank you so much I am actually holding him right now in my t-shirt right near my heart.
He is about 1 1/2 months. I started out with 3 the baby girl died just a few weeks into my rescue, then the boys grew real big & strong & on Tuesday Big boy didn't want to get back in the cage & when I went to grab him I grabbed his tail & it came off (that's when I found this AWESOME site) but I think he hit his head, he was fine for a couple of hours (eating, drinking & playing) but then he went to sleep in his hammock & died 8( Baby Boy didn't want to come out of the cage he was mad @ me (I don't blame him) & today he is so depressed it is killing me 8=( I love him so much. I also have rats should I put one in his cage so he can play with it?
Also should I have not changed his cage? I gave him a new hammock & hay he seemed to like it. I also have his brothers piece of tail that came off should I put that in his cage with him?
:thankyou so very much again

[CritterMom]

NO RATS!!! Just love on him as much as you can right now.

Would you like us to help you find someone with babies the same age so he could grow and be released with brothers and sisters? We would need to have some idea of where you live.

[My boys]

I'd love to take in more to help him cope.
I live in the Palm Coast area. Flagler county
I really want to keep him with me.
Thanks

[Jester]

I'd love to take in more to help him cope.
I live in the Palm Coast area. Flagler county
I really want to keep him with me.
Thanks

I think crittermom was suggesting you give him to a squirrel rehabber who has other squirrels the same age that he can be released with, as opposed to taking in more of them yourself.. that's probably the option that would make him happiest since he lost both of his siblings, he could replace them with new siblings.. would also be the best option for him healthwise.. :)

[virgo062]

Can you tell everyone what you are feeding him? How much and how often?

[SammysMom]

How is Baby Boy today?

[Jackie in Tampa]

It looks as though they are on the east coast here, just north of Daytona...
Lots of members near..
Momma2boo, Fallens mom, Anne, Lizharrel, Legomom...all are within an hour or so...

I hope the baby is doing better!:Love_Icon
Hi Baby Boy!:grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

at 6 weeks old, your baby still needs formula.
what formula are you using?
I hope Baby Boy is still on formula, I never wean my babies, I allow them formula as long as they will take it.
How is he doing today?

[lilidukes]

My boys, if you want to keep this little guy that is ok. Please hang around and let us help in any way we can. Would love to see pics of your boy.:grouphug

[spykitten01]

Really really worried about this little one - he needs help ASAP :shakehead

[CritterMom]

My boys, if you want to keep this little guy that is ok. Please hang around and let us help in any way we can. Would love to see pics of your boy.:grouphug

Oh, heavens, yes. This isn't one of those hardcore, confiscate your baby places! I just wanted you to know that if you wanted to look at that option, you are living in the perfect place for it (the Florida squirrel folk are a little coocoo but always willing to go the extra mile for a squirrel!)

But we would like to make sure he's happy and healthy and getting all the right food and stuff, and there is a lot of info and help to be had here in that area.

[My boys]

Thank you to all that is concerned. Baby Boy is doing a little bit better today. I've held him a lot & kissed & loved on him gave him his favorite foods he did eat a bit. I am still very worried about him though.
@ Virgo062 right now he eats trail mix his favorite food is dried banana, Honey Comb cereal, peanuts & other shelled nuts, dry corn on the cob from the pet store, I gave them some strawberries but they didn't really like it that much.
@ Jackie actually Baby Boy never really liked the Esblac formula/bottle, Big Boy on the other hand only wanted the bottle (hence the names!!!)
@ Crittermom well then I belong I'm a little coocoo too!!! Normally he's very happy & playing rough with his brother 8(
To everyone else Sammys Mom, lilidukes & spykitten01 thank you so much for your help 8)
Much Squirrel Love 8)

[SquirrelsinSingapore]

Hi,
I agree with crittermum. So now you know you do not grab them by the tail.. They are little creatures and will be terrified. The other fear is you could be doing certain things incorrectly. So if you can, let someone from TSB near your area help you out. It would be best interest for your squirrel. We want to aviod a sudden dealth from ever happening again. :timer

Meanwhile you can talk to him(softly), give him love, soft huggies, good if you can provide a soft toy. Warm up a socks buddy. He'll love it.

You can also post pictures of him and his meal, to let us understand what you've been feeding him. Because sometimes problems are due to their diets :)

:Welcome to TSB
:attention

[virgo062]

@ Virgo062 right now he eats trail mix his favorite food is dried banana, Honey Comb cereal, peanuts & other shelled nuts, dry corn on the cob from the pet store, I gave them some strawberries but they didn't really like it that much.
@ Jackie actually Baby Boy never really liked the Esblac formula/bottle, Big Boy on the other hand only wanted the bottle (hence the names!!!)
)

:eek: If you are planning on keeping this boy healthy we have some work to do:poke :poke This boy needs some nourishment:osnap

[Jackie in Tampa]

I tend to think, only speculation, that BigBoy died from MBD.
YOU MUST GIVE FORMULA.
Squirrels need calcium more than anything else in the world...it is a must for survival...
they need to be fed correctly.
There is no way for me to sugar coat it.
If you love your sq, you will listen to these wonderful sq helpers and get Baby Boy healthy.
sorry to sound gruff...but this is an emergency if ever was one!

[virgo062]

:eek: I'm in shock:eek:

[spykitten01]

PLEASE let a rehabber come over and show you how to care for this baby - He WILL DIE and will die SOON unless a LOT of things are changed IMMEDIATELY. This baby would still be getting milk from mom as the majority of his diet. You CANNOT use a bottle - squirrel babies are far too small and will aspirate (drown, basically) or get a bad respiratory infection and die if a bottle is used. His diet alone will kill him in the very near future. He needs help NOW - so PLEASE, if you love him, let someone try to help you. If you care about him, which I know you do, you will let a rehabber come and help you - otherwise you WILL be subjecting him to a slow and horrible death.

Im not trying to mean - but you need to understand the facts. And the facts are, this little baby is in BIG trouble unless he gets serious help NOW. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get him help!

[Rescue04]

hey hun, my sister lives in palm coast, if need be we can try to come out on Sunday after I get off work - if you need any help with him. He is going to need formula, seriously..... try this - I have made the most picky of babies take formula with this mix:

(I know Jackie - you do not like esbilac, but if she has it....LOL)

1 cup water, 1/2 cup esbilac, 1/2 cup heavy whipping cream, 1/4 cup plain yogurt (not the non-fat). After you bring it up warm, add a little of the fruit flavored pedialyte - they usually go nuts for that. If that helps, great! You can also put the formula in a bowl with some rodent blocks - they seem to like that as well.

Try introducing him to cold carrots - ours love them! Try not to give him too many nuts - this can bring down his calcium levels and make him sick. If you do not want to buy HHB's form Henry's pets, try making the homemade boo balls - the rodent blocks you use - I get them from Wal-mart or Petsmart. This will give him a big boost.

We all have lots of info if you need it and we will not take your baby - these guys get attached to thier "step moms", and they will respond better to you than anyone else (except maybe the professional squirrel kisser). PLEASE PLEASE read up on the nutrition - it is real important. If they get to be a hand full, there are plenty of us who can help you release them (we have taken in more than I can remember!).

Good luck, PM if you need anything! :wave123

[My boys]

I tend to think, only speculation, that BigBoy died from MBD.
YOU MUST GIVE FORMULA.
Squirrels need calcium more than anything else in the world...it is a must for survival...
they need to be fed correctly.
There is no way for me to sugar coat it.
If you love your sq, you will listen to these wonderful sq helpers and get Baby Boy healthy.
sorry to sound gruff...but this is an emergency if ever was one!

Gruff is always welcome when my babies best interest is involved 8)
I will continue the formula but he hates the bottle. Can I put it in his water bottle (of course with no water) he might drink it that way. Also what is MBD?
Sorry I'm a newbie here!!!!
Thanks

[CritterMom]

Yup. We're gonna help you bring this baby up right. You have some pretty severe dietary deficiencies - squirrels are amazingly complex critters to feed properly. You need to nip the problems in the bud right now to avoid heartache down the road.

I will write more tonight - and everybody on here will help you with this.:thumbsup

[Rescue04]

you need to be feeding him with a 1/2-1cc siringe with a special nipple on it. I have gotten the nipples online from chris's squirrels and more. You sometimes can get them locally from a petsmart that has the banfeild hospital in them or your local vet.

[lilidukes]

Hey sweetie can you get us a weight on Baby Boy and a picture. It sure would help to figure out how to best help the two of you.






Virgo I didn't know you were shockable:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
:thinking :thinking :thinking why r u shocked?????

[virgo062]

Virgo I didn't know you were shockable:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
:thinking :thinking :thinking why r u shocked?????

Sorry, His diet just shocked me and sometimes I type before I
think:rotfl :rotfl

[Rescue04]

We are in Debary if you need us, it is not that far of a drive. Although Bunnell is right around the corner!

[My boys]

Yup. We're gonna help you bring this baby up right. You have some pretty severe dietary deficiencies - squirrels are amazingly complex critters to feed properly. You need to nip the problems in the bud right now to avoid heartache down the road.

I will write more tonight - and everybody on here will help you with this.:thumbsup


Thank you so much

[Rescue04]

Oh and if you do the pedialyte mix, for every 1/4 cup of heated formula, add no more than .25 - .5 cc of pedialyte. Like I said - it is just to give it flavor - they really like yogurt though! (keeps them full longer and gives thier tummy the natural enzymes they need to get big and strong - Jackie time to chime in in that, you are the expert)!

[virgo062]

:thumbsup You can do this and your Babyboy will live a long and happy life:thumbsup You sound like you really love him and everyone here just want's to help keep BabyBoy healthy:thumbsup

I love it when people really want to take on such a big responsibilty out of love:thumbsup

[My boys]

[QUOTE=lilidukes]Hey sweetie can you get us a weight on Baby Boy and a picture. It sure would help to figure out how to best help the two of you.

I'm going to get pictures on tonight but he weighs .45 lbs

[lilidukes]

If he is fully hydrated I would not use and hydration fluid with the formula. To much sodium can cause him to bloat and retain fluids dangerously.:grouphug

[lilidukes]

[QUOTE=lilidukes]Hey sweetie can you get us a weight on Baby Boy and a picture. It sure would help to figure out how to best help the two of you.

I'm going to get pictures on tonight but he weighs .45 lbs


Great so he is around 200 grams.

[CritterMom]

Guys, guys, guys! PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY. Let me quote: Big Boy on the other hand only wanted the bottle (hence the names!!!)

Big Boy was drinking formula. 6 week old squirrels that are on formula don't get MBD. Please don't misread and then run with it - we almost drove a flyer person off here a short while ago. There is NOTHING to be gained from it.

My boys came here for help, so let's do that.

My Boys, you have had a couple people offer to help you out. You need formula, syringes and nipples and for someone to show you how to feed a baby who isn't used to it. They can help you with these things. He is going to need a rodent block to eat when he is weaned - they will provide all the nutrients he needs to be strong and healthy. We can help with that, too.

This is a friendly place but sometimes we get a little carried away because we love the squirrels.

Running new people off by scaring them isn't going to help ANY squirrels, and since that is why we are here, it shouldn't happen.

Getting off my soapbox now.

[lilidukes]

He should be taking 10-12 cc's per each feeding. Sorry meant to tell you that.

[My boys]

Guys, guys, guys! PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY. Let me quote: Big Boy on the other hand only wanted the bottle (hence the names!!!)

Big Boy was drinking formula. 6 week old squirrels that are on formula don't get MBD. Please don't misread and then run with it - we almost drove a flyer person off here a short while ago. There is NOTHING to be gained from it.

My boys came here for help, so let's do that.

My Boys, you have had a couple people offer to help you out. You need formula, syringes and nipples and for someone to show you how to feed a baby who isn't used to it. They can help you with these things. He is going to need a rodent block to eat when he is weaned - they will provide all the nutrients he needs to be strong and healthy. We can help with that, too.

This is a friendly place but sometimes we get a little carried away because we love the squirrels.

Running new people off by scaring them isn't going to help ANY squirrels, and since that is why we are here, it shouldn't happen.

Getting off my soapbox now.


Thanks Critter Mom but I can understand believe me I know a lot about cats & dogs & I'd probably go off on that subject if there was something that I was very adament (sp) about but can someone please tell me what MBD is
8)

[virgo062]

metabolic Bone Disease....I'm not good at finding links but I am sure someone will post it here.....

[My boys]

Thank you Virgo062 yes I do love him & I cried so hard when Big Boy died I have a lot of critters & I love on each & everone of them everyday.
By the way I'm a vet tech too!!! So yes I love all creachers

[JFerret]

metabolic Bone Disease....I'm not good at finding links but I am sure someone will post it here.....




My Boys click on the link for MBD information!!


http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17677

[virgo062]

My Boys click on the link for MBD information!!


http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17677

:thumbsup

[stosh2010]

Gruff is always welcome when my babies best interest is involved 8)
I will continue the formula but he hates the bottle. Can I put it in his water bottle (of course with no water) he might drink it that way. Also what is MBD?Sorry I'm a newbie here!!!!
Thanks


This is from a different website--showing basic info on how serious this disease is--IMMEDIATE treatment and diet assistance is required.
TSB may adjust some #'s and %'s but the basic info of causes, symptoms and treatment is worth reading...


Metabolic Bone Disease
Written by: Nonda Surratt

Metabolic bone disease, or MBD, is a preventable problem that can occur in animals we rehabilitate. MBD has also been seen in wild animals with no prior human contact, though this is rare. A knowledge of this condition, and it's causes, can help us care properly for those species particularly at risk.

MBD is most often caused by improper diet. Vitamin D, which under normal circumstances the body produces on it's own (needing sunlight to do so), is vital to the body's ability to absorb calcium. Sun received through windows and window screens is not adequate because these filter the important UV rays necessary for this to take place. Professionally formulated milk replacers have vitamin D in them, but as the animal is weaning they are receiving less and less of this vital nutrient so 20 minutes of full sun a day is recommended, or all spectrum or full spectrum bulbs can be used if the former is not possible. Because the formula we feed is balanced with *all* the vitamins necessary, the weaning diet is critical.

Since MBD can get started in as little as 5 days time, an animal that is not eating needs to be monitored closely. Often the signs are slight, and by the time it is obvious what is going on, correcting it becomes more difficult. MBD also affects the internal organs as well; so what we see on the outside is just the tip of the iceberg.

Some of the more subtle signs of MBD are excessive sleeping, not wanting to move around or jump and climb. MBD hurts! The bones (being effected the most), and muscles become weak and the animal is in pain. Swollen joints and improper bone growth (legs splaying in or out) are also sign of MBD's progression. In more drastic cases there are seizures and lack of use of the back legs. Because MBD is the thinning of the bone, a fall that would not normally have any effect can cause a leg or the spine to fracture or break.

One way to tell if you are dealing with MBD is a radiograph (advance cases) however the stress factor on the animal must be taken into account. The other is to watch how they move and observe their abilities. Can they hang upside down without discomfort? Are they using the full extension of their legs and body, (in other words moving *freely*)? It is important for you to know what *normal* is so that you can identify the possible onset of MBD in the early stages.

In rare cases, MBD is not caused by incorrect diet but by genetics. The body doesn't synthesize sun properly to create vitamin D, or the body doesn't process calcium correctly. While this is extremely rare, it has happened. Another possible cause of MBD, when a correct diet is being fed, is hierarchy. Even young animals have a pecking order and often the one at the bottom doesn't get the adequate food needed to keep calcium/phosphorus at the proper levels. Again, a good commercial diet that makes up 80% of their daily food will go a long way in preventing this. Monitoring weight gain, growth and overall heath will let you know if this is happening.

MBD can be treated, but the sooner it is caught the better. Correcting the diet, if that is the problem, is the first order of business. Adding additional calcium, along with making sure there is adequate access to vitamin D through natural sunlight or lighting mentioned above has proven to work well. Supplementing with actual vitamin D should only be done under the supervision of veterinarian, vitamin D is a fat soluble and can build up and become toxic, more is *not* always better. The most important thing to remember is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. In a perfect world Ca/pH should be at 2:1 and a good commercial diet, that is balanced, is the place to start. For the other 20% of the daily foods there are many dietary books on the market that will help you in keeping the Ca/pH ratios close to the acceptable level.

These are just the very basics and, depending on the severity of the MBD, other steps may also be necessary. If you have never dealt with MBD before it is important that you check with your veterinarian and/or another rehabilitator that is familiar with the problem and procedure.

It is important that we understand what part calcium and phosphorus play in the body. Below is a straight forward explanation of the very important rolls these two minerals, (also known as macroelements) have in bone growth and overall development of the animals in our care.

"They are major mineral constituents of the animals body and are largely associated with skeletal formation. Calcium is also important in blood clotting, excitability of nerves and muscles, acid-base balance, enzyme activation and muscle contraction, whereas phosphorus is involved in almost every aspect of animal metabolism, such as energy metabolism, muscle contractions, nerve tissue metabolism, transport of metabolites, nucleic acid structure, and carbohydrate, fat, and amino acid metabolism." Robbins, Wildlife Feeding and Nutrition Second Edition.

Nonda Surratt
Special thanks to Dr. Anne Hiss

[Jackie in Tampa]

no expert, not even a licensed rehabber..
100% sq lover though for sure, and have experience with MBD and baby sqs!

Please never mix pedialyte with formula...they are two seperate fluids, meant to do two seperate things.:nono
nothing personal Rescue, but it is incorrect info and not advised.

who is closest and willing to drive tonight?
I would never try to run anyone off...just needed to be said.
I would rather be taken as gruff than watch another sq die.

MBD is metabolic bone disease...
the body needs calcium, without it, it takes calcium from the blood, then the organs and bones and when you see seizures, the body is stealing calcium from the brain...death follows.
I have had many sqs brought to me due to this savage nutritional deficiency, it can be corrected if caught in time and serious devotion is taken.
You will need to follow the advise here, we WANT to help you help Baby Boy:Love_Icon

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21235
here is a link with some starting info..

edit...thanks stosh!:wave123

[CritterMom]

OK, you've gotten a lot of info here.

First, Baby Boy needs to be on formula. You are lucky because you live close to many of our members. They can help with many of the things you need like syringes, nipples, etc. Please take advantage of this immediately - and I mean immeediately. Baby Boy needs to be on formula NOW.

When he begins to wean - and you can put them in with him long before so he gets used to them and maybe even starts to nibble on them - he needs a rat block of some kind. One of our members makes a homemade version at www.henryspets.com. Harlan Teklad Lab Blocks are available through www.thecraftyrat.com. Many pet stores carry Mazuri rat blocks and Kaytee Forti Diet for rats. I have also seen Oxbow Craft Rat at local shops and it is a very good block. If you get your baby eating these after weaning. you will not have to worry about Metabolic Bone Disease. They all have the proper amounts of all of the vitamins and minerals a squirrel needs to throve.

But first things first. Baby Boy needs formula. Do not use a bottle. Use a 1cc syringe. Ask the pharmacist - tell him you are feeding a kitten. And please get in touch with one of the nearby rehabbers who have offered you help with him.

[spykitten01]

:goodpost CritterMom and Jackie - glad its being stressed that this needs to happen immediately! Lets get this little guy some help and show MB how to care for him properly ASAP - Who is close, has some supplies, and can get there tonight to help these two? I'd be there in a heartbeat but, unfortunately, Im on the other end of the states, in the north country. This can't wait!

[Jackie in Tampa]

Rescue is on her way I believe! {El}:bowdown

[spykitten01]

Oh Lord, I hope so - if you are, Rescue - THANK YOU!!!! :Love_Icon

[My boys]

My Boys click on the link for MBD information!!


http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?
t=17677

Thanks JFerret 8)

[My boys]

OK, you've gotten a lot of info here.

First, Baby Boy needs to be on formula. You are lucky because you live close to many of our members. They can help with many of the things you need like syringes, nipples, etc. Please take advantage of this immediately - and I mean immeediately. Baby Boy needs to be on formula NOW.

When he begins to wean - and you can put them in with him long before so he gets used to them and maybe even starts to nibble on them - he needs a rat block of some kind. One of our members makes a homemade version at www.henryspets.com. Harlan Teklad Lab Blocks are available through www.thecraftyrat.com. Many pet stores carry Mazuri rat blocks and Kaytee Forti Diet for rats. I have also seen Oxbow Craft Rat at local shops and it is a very good block. If you get your baby eating these after weaning. you will not have to worry about Metabolic Bone Disease. They all have the proper amounts of all of the vitamins and minerals a squirrel needs to throve.

But first things first. Baby Boy needs formula. Do not use a bottle. Use a 1cc syringe. Ask the pharmacist - tell him you are feeding a kitten. And please get in touch with one of the nearby rehabbers who have offered you help with him.


I got him back on formula he was drinking it from a bowl & I will force feed him if I have to!

[spykitten01]

I got him back on formula he was drinking it from a bowl & I will force feed him if I have to!


Don't ever force! You will make the baby aspirate and either drown or get an infection in the lungs from breathing it in! This baby NEEDS to be fed formula with a 1cc syringe and NOTHING else! That is the only proper way to give formula! What formula are you giving and how is it being prepared?

[spykitten01]

Don't ever force! You will make the baby aspirate and either drown or get an infection in the lungs from breathing it in! This baby NEEDS to be fed formula with a 1cc syringe and NOTHING else! That is the only proper way to give formula! What formula are you giving and how is it being prepared?


Im really sorry if it seems like Im being grumpy or pushy, but you've been told how to do it the right way, and its still not being done. I would rather have you not do anything than have you put this baby at risk of drowning. You are being given the BEST advice and knowledge on proper care - PLEASE, for the sake of this baby, follow it! I have just been worried sick about this all day to be honest - my nerves are frayed because Im days away and can't help - but there are people who CAN help and you need to utilize that help in order to give this baby any chance of survival at all. :shakehead

[Jester]

If you need a visual example of the proper way to feed a baby formula, I know a few people posted pictures of that in the April Photo Contest thread. That would be the easiest way to find a visual example without having to dig through a lot of threads. I would look at those images if you have absolutely no clue how to do it. I would post the link but I'm my phone so it might not copy the same. Maybe someone else could.

[My boys]

Im really sorry if it seems like Im being grumpy or pushy, but you've been told how to do it the right way, and its still not being done. I would rather have you not do anything than have you put this baby at risk of drowning. You are being given the BEST advice and knowledge on proper care - PLEASE, for the sake of this baby, follow it! I have just been worried sick about this all day to be honest - my nerves are frayed because Im days away and can't help - but there are people who CAN help and you need to utilize that help in order to give this baby any chance of survival at all. :shakehead

Don't worry or actually thank you for worrying I won't force feed him & he has already drank 12 cc's of Esblac formula. I want nothing else than him to get better I ALWAYS take in all of the help I can. Please understand I want nothing but the best for this little guy. I've rescued so many animals (but never squirrels) I've raised my dog from a couple of hours old & he's now a ripe old age of 11 1/2.
This little guy means so much to me

[spykitten01]

Don't worry or actually thank you for worrying I won't force feed him & he has already drank 12 cc's of Esblac formula. I want nothing else than him to get better I ALWAYS take in all of the help I can. Please understand I want nothing but the best for this little guy. I've rescued so many animals (but never squirrels) I've raised my dog from a couple of hours old & he's now a ripe old age of 11 1/2.
This little guy means so much to me

Thank you - how are you preparing the Esbilac? Can you go to www.henryspets.com and order 1cc o-ring syringes, nipples, Fox Valley Formula and Henry's Healthy Blocks? I so desperately want to help - thank you for not taking it personally. Squirrels will not act sick until they are EXTREMELY sick. Do you have any Tums? I REALLY think it would help to have one of the board members come over with some supplies and demonstrate a feeding for you.

[My boys]

Thank you - how are you preparing the Esbilac? Can you go to www.henryspets.com and order 1cc o-ring syringes, nipples, Fox Valley Formula and Henry's Healthy Blocks? I so desperately want to help - thank you for not taking it personally. Squirrels will not act sick until they are EXTREMELY sick. Do you have any Tums? I REALLY think it would help to have one of the board members come over with some supplies and demonstrate a feeding for you.


The Esblac is already prepared in a can. I heat it up in the microwave for 10 second or warm to the touch. Then I syringe feed him & he drinks it from the syringe. Is that ok?

[My boys]

The picture I posted is when I had just got all 3 squirrels. The little girl died within 2 week 8( her eyes had just opened. But the boys were going strong.
How do you (or can you) post more pictures?

[lilidukes]

Don't worry or actually thank you for worrying I won't force feed him & he has already drank 12 cc's of Esblac formula. I want nothing else than him to get better I ALWAYS take in all of the help I can. Please understand I want nothing but the best for this little guy. I've rescued so many animals (but never squirrels) I've raised my dog from a couple of hours old & he's now a ripe old age of 11 1/2.
This little guy means so much to me

Just checking in. We worry and fuss about our own babies too. How my first one survived is still a wonder to me. Her will to live :thumbsup was stronger than all of my mistakes.:shakehead

These little squirrels are just to wonderful for words aren't they.:grouphug I'm just lurking wishing you the very best.

[spykitten01]

The Esblac is already prepared in a can. I heat it up in the microwave for 10 second or warm to the touch. Then I syringe feed him & he drinks it from the syringe. Is that ok?

Heating it like that destroys all the nutrients. Put the formula in a small glass (large shot glasses, sterilized, work well). Then get a bowl of water and heat that in the microwave until its hot hot hot! Then place the glass with the formula inside the bowl of hot water and heat it that way. You'll need to get some Fox Valley formula - this baby will need to be on formula for as long as possible - absolute MINIMUM for 4-6 more weeks. Esbilac was recently reformulated and has killed a lot of rehab babies. Ideally, you should place an order for Fox Valley immediately, and go get some goats milk, full fat plain yogurt and heavy cream ASAP to give temporarily until the FV arrives. You also need to get a really good rodent block ASAP and start offering this baby FRESH fruits and veggies - NO MORE NUTS for now. Check the nutrition section to see what is good vs bad for them to eat - or if someone could post a link, that would be awesome. I, too, am bad at finding links :thinking

[lilidukes]

The Esblac is already prepared in a can. I heat it up in the microwave for 10 second or warm to the touch. Then I syringe feed him & he drinks it from the syringe. Is that ok?

I use a shot glass for the formula and float it in a little bowl of very warm water. No nutrients lost in nuking and your formula will stay warm longer.:tilt

[CritterMom]

When you reply to my post, in the bar at the top just to the right of the smiley face is a paper clip. Click that and in the next page, click your cursor into line one and click "Browse". Find the picture you want to post on your computer and double click it and it will be your first pic. Yu can post as many pics as lines you have awailable - a lot. If the pics are huge you will want to resize them smaller first.

We would really like to see a pic of Baby Boy taken recently to properly determine his age. It will help us.

[virgo062]

just checking in.....Did I read someone was coming to your house to help?

[My boys]

My Baby Boy

[My boys]

My Baby Boy

Sorry I tried to crop the picture but it came out really bad

[SammysMom]

Cute guy!

[spykitten01]

:Love_Icon

[UDoWhat]

He is so darling. You are getting excellent advice from all TSB's best. They will help you raise a happy, healthy baby. :Welcome to TSB. We all will help you. I'll go back to watching. Unless I can help.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator

[My boys]

Cute guy!


Thanks SammysMom 8) I'm glad everyone can see (under your reply) Baby Boy & how sweet, cute & loving he is 8)

[lilidukes]

What a cutie.:Love_Icon It's so hard to believe that anything so small, sweet and cuddly will grow up to be a fierce wild heathen.:shakehead But that is what makes these kids so special.:thumbsup

[spykitten01]

So has anyone been able to come over and help you yet? Did you place an order for some Fox Valley/syringes/nipples? Hope the lil guy is still hangin in there. Also want to bump this - its important, peeps. tinfoil

[SquirrelsinSingapore]

hmm
it misses his brother.. what poor thing..
give him some softies to play with.. and to keep warm.. =)

[My boys]

I've listened to all of your help & suggestions I've got Baby Boy eating 15 cc's of Esblac 4 times a day, I took away his trail mix & cereal & got him baby carrots which he doesn't really like but he's trying it. I have to get some block, but I got the Tums but they are peppermint is that right?
I know it's going to be a long road to make him healthy & I thank you all for all of your help.
I do love my Baby Boy:thankyou

[spykitten01]

I've listened to all of your help & suggestions I've got Baby Boy eating 15 cc's of Esblac 4 times a day, I took away his trail mix & cereal & got him baby carrots which he doesn't really like but he's trying it. I have to get some block, but I got the Tums but they are peppermint is that right?
I know it's going to be a long road to make him healthy & I thank you all for all of your help.
I do love my Baby Boy:thankyou


Thats great that hes on the formula and you're working on his diet! You really do need to order some Fox Valley formula though - Esbilac was reformulated recently and has killed a lot of rehab babies. Its really cheap and REALLY good for them - please go to this site: http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com/prod/details.asp?CID=1&PLID=1 and order some ASAP - they also have o-ring syringes and nipples. If youd like, I can PM you my email or phone number if you have and questions - let me know if that would be helpful :)

[spykitten01]

Can someone please chime in with the amount of Tums to give this little guy? Thank you!

[My boys]

Can someone please chime in with the amount of Tums to give this little guy? Thank you!

Crush one Tums or calcium pill and add a little water or fruit juice. Use the syringe, eyedropper, or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone. Feed a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, and spread it out through the day and night to keep his blood calcium levels as steady as possible.

This is what I got from TSB MBD post 8) See I'm learning :D

[Jackie in Tampa]

Can someone please chime in with the amount of Tums to give this little guy? Thank you!
the daily RVA for rodents is 330 mgs,
tums has different strength lozengers...750's being the biggest I think.
I would try to get a fruit flavor if I was going to use tums instead of plain calcium citrate or carbonate, not sure how MyBoys is using them...
are you adding extra cal to the formula?
I would not use peppermint if so....:yuck
my recommendation is to add 100-200mgs plain calcium a day to his daily formula along with a variety of veggies...nothing else.
No treats!!!! No cheats!!!!
:Love_Icon healthy diet will heal Baby Boy!

[Scooterzmom]

I would not give peppermint TUMS, please. Regular ones :)

You are getting great advice here, hang in there, keep the love flowing and everything will be fine. Make sure to leave him a rice buddy in his cage... the warmth is soothing and it will help make him feel like there is another 'presence' nearby when he sleeps next to it.

He is ADORABLE!!!!

[Jackie in Tampa]

Crush one Tums or calcium pill and add a little water or fruit juice. Use the syringe, eyedropper, or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone. Feed a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, and spread it out through the day and night to keep his blood calcium levels as steady as possible.

This is what I got from TSB MBD post 8) See I'm learning :D
I would not give that much if he is taking the formula as you said he was.

[spykitten01]

Crush one Tums or calcium pill and add a little water or fruit juice. Use the syringe, eyedropper, or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone. Feed a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, and spread it out through the day and night to keep his blood calcium levels as steady as possible.

This is what I got from TSB MBD post 8) See I'm learning :D


Yay! Remember - NO NUTS either!!! LoL Gone to check out the Fox Valley formula yet? Sorry - its just very important. Esbilac almost killed my girls before I found out it got reformulated and put them on FV - Once on FV, they THRIVED!

[lilidukes]

Just stopped in to see how you and Baby are:grouphug :grouphug :thumbsup

[UDoWhat]

Yes you are learning. We all have had to learn about squirrels that is why we help each other. Just sort all of this out and you can fix it. We will help you through this. All great advice. If you need help PM, E-mail or call me or ANY of us. This is a critical time for your squirrel but a healing time also. Bless you for trying to help.

Marty, Licensed Maryland Master Wildlife Rehabilitator

[Jackie in Tampa]

tinfoil
Looking for an update!!!
How is Baby Boy doing?
I didn't read an update whether Rescue or anyone got supplies to you,
let us know!
Hope he is doing better!:grouphug

[stosh2010]

Baby Boy News??? how is his progress ?? Inquiring Minds...need to Know.

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VISIT the KING at :

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27141&page=251

[My boys]

Baby Boy is doing WONDERFUL 8) :jump
Almost back to his old playful self. :wahoo He loves his rodent block & will eat a small amount of baby carrots I give him his banana chips (which he loves) 2 a day. I put broccoli in his cage to try & he snubs it. But he is loving his formula again. I let him drink it out of a syringe & he's been drinking 10 - 15 cc's.
:Love_Icon :thankyou I have to thank all of you on TSB for your help.:thankyou :Love_Icon
I also have a question .... how old does the babies have to be to release them?

[Rescue04]

Glad to hear he is doing ok.

We release from 4-6 months depending on them (I think) ...... LOL they usually let us know - when you get attacked putting food in! LOL

No at about 4 months old they move to the porch to start getting used to the environment, after 3-6 weeks they usually let us know it is time to go.

I am fairly certain of the time, you would have to ask el......I just know when she tells me to put the cage outside! :rotfl

[stosh2010]

Baby Boy is doing WONDERFUL 8) :jump
I put broccoli in his cage to try & he snubs it[/COLOR]. But he is loving his formula again. I let him drink it out of a syringe & he's been drinking 10 - 15 cc's.
:Love_Icon :thankyou I have to thank all of you on TSB for your help.:thankyou :Love_Icon

Just a thought...try peeling the Dark Green broccoli leaves ( that are usually removed and thrown away)--that are around the stem-not the flowers--
My Rama Rota goes BONKERS over the lower leaves so much, that when I buy my broccoli, I peel off some extra leaves from other broccoli heads on the shelf-and put THEM in my bag. Ha!

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Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )


VISIT the KING at:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27141&page=252

[spykitten01]

Baby Boy is doing WONDERFUL 8) :jump
Almost back to his old playful self. :wahoo He loves his rodent block & will eat a small amount of baby carrots I give him his banana chips (which he loves) 2 a day. I put broccoli in his cage to try & he snubs it. But he is loving his formula again. I let him drink it out of a syringe & he's been drinking 10 - 15 cc's. o release them?


Thats awesome! Just a few notes though - the banana chips should only be a one-a-day treat, if at all - they have preservatives and extra sugar in them (tell me if Im mistaken) and arent really that good for him. FRESH banana would be much better. Try a LOT of different fresh fruits and veggies - avocado, apple, uncooked squash, tomatoes, oranges, etc are some examples. Also - We need to replace that Esbilac with some Fox Valley formula ASAP - Esbilac is NOT good for their tummies since it has been reformulated. Please go to www.foxvalleynutrition.com and order some of the 40/32 (32/40?) day one formula ASAP :thumbsup

[spykitten01]

And remember - no nuts! At least not for another month or so. After that he should only get 1-3 nuts as a treat before bedtime and thats IT - NO peanuts - Almonds, Pecans, Walnuts and Hazelnuts, preferably in the shell, unsalted and raw, are the ones you'll want :) Keep us updated and keep up with any questions you might have - even if you think you already know the answers. And....pics? :poke Teehee :rotfl

[virgo062]

Good Job My Boys:thumbsup Baby Boy has a good future ahead of him:thumbsup You are AWESOME!!!

I never release until they are off the formula then they have to show signs that they are ready to fly...My boys that are in the relase cage now are 9 months old but I had to over winter them....Not my favorite thing in the world to do.....:osnap

[lilidukes]

:multi :multi :multi :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Gina]

Stosh, that is genius - W&G love the leaves too.

Baby Boy is so very cute! Welcome aboard and I am so glad you found this place. My boys would not have survived my errors if it was not for the tough advise I received here.

Be sure to take the advise seriously and quickly. Go to Henrys Health Pet TODAY

http://henryspets.com/ and order the following:

Fox Valley Day-One fourmula for Squirrels 32/40 $11.99
Sklar $.28 ea OR Codan $1.00 ea O-Ring Syringes
Silicone Mothering Nipples $.30 ea

Once he has weaned himself from formula then you will want to keep Fox Valley on hand to make your own Boo Balls, here is link to recipe:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26131
You can also order vitamin pak from Henryspets to make your own blocks. Here is the link to the recipe you will need:
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233
(I buy my whey protien from a local health food store)

:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon I know EXACTLY how you are feeling as I went through what you are going through now. I know how much you love Baby Boy and how confusing sifting through all this advise can be. Trust your instincts as no two squirrels are exactly alike and you know your baby. The hardest part will be getting him to eat properly. It is tough love. I had to take away all nuts and junk foods to get Wayne to eat properly. Garth was easier because he was dying from MBD(things were that bad) From the looks of it, Baby Boy will be more like Wayne, caught early. If it were not for Wayne's teeth problems he would be running wild right now, ruling all other squirrels in the yard.
:crazy Thank you so much for saving this little guy and for sharing him with us.

[stosh2010]

Thats awesome! Just a few notes though - the banana chips should only be a one-a-day treat, if at all - they have preservatives and extra sugar in them (tell me if Im mistaken) and arent really that good for him. FRESH banana would be much better. Try a LOT of different fresh fruits and veggies - avocado, apple, uncooked squash, tomatoes, oranges, etc are some examples.
I like to cut off the top 1 inch of the banana, with the stem and a little of the skin still attached. That makes it fun for Rama to peel before he gets to eat. ( wash the banana well-before -because chemicals used in growing can remain on the outside of the skin--then cut the small piece)( ALSO bananas grow wild EVERYWHERE, even around the condos in my area. Wild squirrels pick their own...)

[My boys]

I'm going to take this conversation to another thread seeing that Baby Boy is doing :jump AWESOME!!!! :jump
This thread is for emergency & I'd like to keep you all informed of his progress!! tinfoil
I hope I never have to use the emergency thread again but am VERY happy to have it available.
:thankyou :grouphug :thankyou