CAN ANY ONE TELL BOUT MY TWO SQUIRRELS ,IF THEY ARE OK OR NOT

[aida]

HI, I FOUND TWO BABY SQUIRREL , I COULD NOT FIND ESPILAC SO IM GIVING THEM MERALAC , I COULD NOT FIND ANY VET EITHER . IM GOING ALL OVER INTERNET FOR ANY INFORMATION FOR THESE PRECIOUS SQUIRRELS. IM POSTING PICTURES PLEASE TELL ME ARE THEY OK OR NOT, IF POSSIBLE . THEY ARE EATING FINE BUT I DONT SEE ANY MILKBAND ON THERE TUMMY. THEY DON'T ASPIRATE . BUT SOMETIMES THEY ACT LAZY . I SEARCHED ON NET REGARDING THIS MATTER AND GAVE THEM HONEY BUT THAT RESULTED IN LOOSE STOOL . BUT THEY ARE FINE NOW. C:\Documents and Settings\Archie\Desktop\squirrel\Picture 5.jpg :thankyou

[Jackie in Tampa]

HI and WElcome...
I will try to help by asking questions for the rehabbers.
How long have you had them?
Do you know how old they are?
Are their eyes open? do they have fur?
I cannot see your pic, there is a forum that will help you do that
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81

Are you using a syringe to feed them?
TSB does have other members in India, and they have never found ESbilac either, I am unfamiliar with Meralac.
Can you find goats milk?
canned or fresh would be good.
They also will need heat, you can fill a sock with rice and heat in microwave for 20-40- seconds...
A heating pad set on low is best, place HALF the container on heat so they have the option to move off heat if too warm.

You can give them homemade pedialyte for their diarehha.
Here's the recipe
1 quart warm water
1 teaspoon table salt
3 tablespoons sugar


Here is a Sticky we have on Baby squirrel care..
Emergency Care for Baby Squirrels

Don’ts
Don’t try to feed the squirrel.
Don’t handle him more than you have to.
No loud voices, TV, music, or bright lights.
No children or pets in the same room!

1. Warm the Baby (never feed a cold squirrel!)
Quick Methods:
-Cup the baby in your hands or under your shirt next to your skin.
-Fill a plastic bottle with very warm water. Wrap in a cloth, place next to baby, and cover him. Reheat every 2 hours.
-“Rice Buddy”: Fill a sock with 1 cup of rice or dried beans and microwave for 30 seconds. Place next to baby and cover him. Reheat every 2 hours.

2. [b] Find a Box or Container[b]
A shoebox will do for small babies. A baby that can walk will need a larger box with a lid (with holes). Put a clean baby blanket, flannel shirt, or piece of fleece in the bottom of the box. No towels or terrycloth. Squirrels can get tangled in the loops. Place baby on the material and cover him with one flap. If you have a heating pad, turn it on low and place it under half of the box (not IN the box!) so baby can move away if he gets too warm. You can use the plastic bottle or rice buddy described above, but these are only temporary methods until you get a heating pad, since they must be reheated every 2 hours and won't keep baby warm all night.
NOTE: Monitor his temperature so he doesn’t chill or overheat. His feet should feel warm to the touch.

Note: If the baby is injured, is having trouble breathing, has fly eggs on his fur, or is very skinny or dehydrated, he needs emergency care by an experienced rehabber or vet.

3. Rehydrate the Baby

Most babies are dehydrated when you find them and must be rehydrated before you can feed them. Never feed formula or food of any kind to a dehydrated baby!

How to Check for Dehydration
Pinch the skin on the back of his neck. If it doesn’t spring back immediately, the baby is dehydrated. If the pinched skin stays up like a tent for more than a second, the baby is badly dehydrated. Other signs of dehydration: pale grayish gums, dry mouth, sunken eyes, whites around eyes showing, rough spiky fur, dry scaly skin.
NOTE: If baby is badly dehydrated, he will need subcutaneous fluids, which can only be given by a rehabber or vet.

[b] Supplies You Will Need: [b]
--Pedialyte (any flavor)*
--Plastic syringes (1 cc size; no needles. Ask the pharmacist to get these for you) An eyedropper can also work.
These are available at most drugstores.

*If you can’t find Pedialyte at the store, here is a recipe for homemade Pedialyte:

1 tsp salt (teaspoon)
3 Tbsp sugar (tablespoon)
1 quart warm water
Mix all ingredients in warm water. Store in refrigerator.

How to Prepare the Pedialyte
Use a plastic syringe (with or without a nipple). Never use pet nursers or doll bottles. They will choke the baby. Fill a coffee mug with hot water. Fill the syringe with Pedialyte and place it in the mug for a couple of minutes. Squirt a drop on the inside of your wrist to make sure the liquid isn’t too hot. It should feel barely warm on your skin.

Proper Position
A tiny baby should be held upright in your hand. A baby with fur can lie on a flat surface on his stomach. A baby that can walk can be held upright or he can drink sitting up. Hold the syringe so the tip points UP to the baby’s mouth and the handle is down. Don’t let the baby get cold. Keep him wrapped up while he eats.

How to Feed Fluids
Place the syringe tip on the baby’s lips (from the side) and squeeze out one drop for him to taste. Don’t squirt a steady stream. Let him swallow one drop before squeezing more. GO SLOW! It sometimes takes a feeding or two for them to catch on. Hairless babies are fed drop by drop. With older babies (once they catch on) you can squeeze slowly for one second, wait for him to swallow, then squeeze more.

If fluids dribble out his mouth or come out his nose, you are going too fast. Stop and tilt the baby’s head down so the fluid drains out (support his head and neck like you would a human baby). Then wipe his nose and mouth with a tissue. Start over, slower. NOTE: There is now a chance your baby will develop aspiration pneumonia from inhaling fluid in his lungs. This is fatal. Please contact a rehabber or vet, or the people at The Squirrel Board, for assistance.
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[island rehabber]

aida we have two members in India, chickoo and petlover56 who are raising Indian palm squirrels.....hopefully they will see your thread or you can send them a private message.
I believe Royal Canin is a formula available in India and it is very very good.
You've gotten great advice above from Jackie in Tampa :thumbsup

[CritterMom]

I have PM'd both of our members in India and pointed them to this thread.

[chickoo]

hi aida :wave123

welcome to TSB!

how are the babies now?

have you managed to figure out their ages?..........how are they pooping/ peeing?

yes, royal canin is available in india, and if it is a good formula to use (as IR says), i would say go ahead and purchase!!

do keep us posted!!

[aida]

Really thankful to all of you for a prompt response . But unfortunately one of the squirrel baby died . Now the other seems to be fine . As far as i am able to determine their age , they seem to be 3-4 weeks old . Their eyes are closed . and ears also not completely in shape . I am posting an image . The baby licks my hand sometimes and i try to feed him , usually its his way of telling that he is hungry but right now he is doing same but when i m trying to feed he is not in mood and turns his face away . His poop was yellow in color and solid ball shape and he peed also . Should i give him banana or a nut to scratch his teeth ? Do you think he is old enough ? He is active same as he was earlier when he was on regular feeding but today he is behaving like this .

[aida]

Thanks for your reply. I am right now very worried for squirrel as today he is not eating properly. I'm keeping him warm . He acts like he is really very hungry he drinks like less than half ml of formula than stops. Im not trying to force him. but i check after every half hour and than he does the same. he has started this behavior today itself . I'm in Noida i have tried to search for vet . But they say they don't have any idea bout squirrel . im so sad for him. Please tell me is meralac good for him . I'm posting the pics please see to it. Im really worried for him.He is active . He is pooping/peeing fine. But why is he not eating properly. He sleeps alot. [SIZE="3"][FONT="Arial"]:thankyou

[CritterMom]

He is very tiny, the do sleep a LOT at this age.

Can you purchase goats milk, heavy cows cream and yogurt in India where you are? If you can get these things you can make your own formula that we KNOW is good.

[Jackie in Tampa]

he is still too young for any solid food...he must have formula.
I am not sure about the mermac, but Chickoo and IR have suggested Royal Canin.
Do you have supplimental heat source? He must be kept warm. If yyou do not have a heat source, you can use a sock and fill with uncooked rice..
microwave this for 20-40 seconds..he will love it thinking it is mother/sibblings.
Do you know how to do the pinch test for checking hydration?
Gently lift skin between shoulder blades, if it relaxes fast, the squirrel is hydrated. If it stays in a tent position, you must hydrate your baby and never allow him to get chilled. You can wrap him in a small piece of soft cloth, such as a Tshirt is made from, or fleece.

Here is the recipe for rehydration solution
1 quart warm water
3 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon salt

store this in refridgerator for upto 72 hours.

feed this for no longer than 24 hours, too much salt can be counter productive.
Once squirrel appears to be hydrated, no more rehydration solution is needed and you can start back on formula.
AS far as formula is concerned, I will have to check the nutritional values, I have never heard of mermac.

If he were well and able to eat, at his age, and I am not sure when these guys open their eyes, so I am going by your suggested age, he should be drinking formula every 4 hours or so. I would guess the species size to be smaller than the native squirrels where I live, so I will also be guessing he should be getting 3-5 cc every feeding.

Have you tried the Private Message service in the upper right hand corner..please try to contact Chickoo for her assistance with the formula.
I wish I could help more.

I will post a supportive care stickey for you...

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21626
you may find some helpful info in the thread.


Please go VERY slow while using a syringe to feed him, hold him upright so he does not inhale any liquids. If he does, and fluid comes from nose, hold him with his nose pointed to the floor and let fluid run out of nose and gently wipe off so he does not reinhale it.
This is called aspiration and can lead to pnuemonia.
Do you hear clicking when he breaths?
coming from his chest? If so, you will need to find antibiotics. Lethagy is a symptom of this as well as many other things...
your pics are too blurry for me to really see well enough to know if he is under weight.
Are his poops solid or runny?
Is his urine clear or discolored?
sorry for so many questions, but I think it will help us to know what you can do to improve his health.

[Best Life]

Aida - So sorry that one of your rescued babies didn't make it. Best of luck with this little guy...you've definitely come to the right place for information. The people on TSB have an awesome wealth of squirrel experience!

Keep us posted, and check back often. I resized these, hope you don't mind. He is adorable!


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[aida]

Aida - So sorry that one of your rescued babies didn't make it. Best of luck with this little guy...you've definitely come to the right place for information. The people on TSB have an awesome wealth of squirrel experience!

Keep us posted, and check back often. I resized these, hope you don't mind. He is adorable!





Thank You . I was not able to resize them , and i was sure that they were not easily visible in that large format . Really appreciate your help .

[Skul]

The little one appears to be three weeks old.
Teeth will not be developed enough for chewing on nuts.
I think you can still offer a small taste of banana, but it really needs the formula to survive.

When you offer formula, try to make sure it is very warm.
Not hot, just very warm.
We've found babies respond better that way.:)

[aida]

http://www.merapet.com/compelet-nutrition.htm

This link is the product i am using . The meralac is the one i am using . I am making the solution by using 3 spoon water + 1 spoon formula powder . I try to vary the quantity of water , sometime a little more diluted so he can have more water and sometimes a little less water so he can have a little thick solution .

Poop - yellow [ semi solid ball shape ]
Pee - Transparent

There is no aspiration while i feed him . There is no noise while he breaths .

He is hydrated i checked .

I have hot water bottle on which he there is t-shirt bedding on which he sleeps .

Just Fed him . He had approx 1 ml solution .
I am feeding through a 2 ml syringe . And following the technique said .
He is active and he act as if he tries to smell things . He try grab clothes with his claws . I think he plays like that . Is it possible for him because he cant see right now as his eyes are closed .
Jackie you can ask anything more you want to . I really appreciate the help and support i am getting .

[aida]

PLease do tell me antibiotics in case he needs any .

[Best Life]

Aida, you are very observant and are doing an amazing job with the little guy. Sounds like your baby may be a little lonely. My babies prefer to be inside my shirt where they have warm skin and a heartbeat to cuddle up with. Of course, that isn't always possible or convenient, but they do seem to enjoy it.

I will leave the antibiotic question for the experts to answer. Good thinking, though. It will help to be prepared with that information in case you need it quickly. Hopefully, it will not be an issue.

Keep up the good work!

[aida]

thank you so much. Im just trying to help him. :thankyou He has started to bite the syringe. then he drinks little bit of it and than stops. i try to feed him after every ten minutes and he acts the same. is it ok?

[Mrs Skul]

:wave123 Hi Adia
Please go ahead and start giving a 2 to 1 formula. That will be 2 Water to 1 formula! :thumbsup5 You also need to add a Heavy Whipping Cream and a Full Fat Yogurt. When you have him on the full strength formula. You should be able to feed him evey 2 to 3 hr.
How much does he weigh? :thinking How much is he drinking right now? :dono
So the mixture will be!
2 TBS Water
1 TBS Formula Powder
1 tsp Vanilla Yogurt
1 TBS Heavy Whipping Cream
When you add the formula to gather, mix well. Mix the Heavy Cream in last. If you mix it all to gather at once it will mix up like chunky butter!:D
In the USA We use DannonLaCream, StonnyField Organic Full fat Vanilla Yogurt. I am not sure what name it will be under in your area!:dono
You can use a plain yogurt if you can't find a Vanilla flavor. (DO NOT USE the yogurt with fruit chunks in it.) It has to much sugar.
The Yogurt has the good Probiotic in it. It helps with digestion and diarrhea. It is best to add it in. The puppy formula does not have enough fat in it That is why we say Heavy Whipping Cream!:thumbsup3 I hope this will help you. Good luck and I love your little one!
Christal

PS
The Antibiotic we suggest is BAYTRIL.

[aida]

I can hear a clickin sound while the baby is asleep or even awake. Please tell me what to do.

[CritterMom]

Contact your local vets and see if someone will sell you some antibiotics. Best choice is Baytril (enrofloxacin) but sulfatrim or even amoxycillen can be used. Even if they won't see your baby they may sell you some antibiotics. You will need to know the concentration of the drug and weigh your baby and someone on here can help you with dosing.

If you cannot get meds from the vet, do you or anyone you know have any human antibiotics - maybe something left over from an illness> If so, we will again need to know what the drug is and what the concentration is, plus baby weight so we can help you break it down and dose correctly.

[Jackie in Tampa]

sending chickoo a pm ...
hope she can share antibiotic info from INdia...
hang in there aida, you are doing good.:grouphug

[aida]

i have a bronchodilator and mucolytic (Terbutaline sulphate(2.5 mg),bromhexine hydrochloride(8 mg). Please suggest anything. really worried

[Jackie in Tampa]

I researched these meds...they are not anti biotics..
they are for different type lung issue...:shakehead

ask your friends with children if they have medicines too...
also friends with pets...
keep naming what you can find...
hoping something can be found soon...
keep the baby hydrated and warm, go slow when feeding,
try alternating with formula if baby appears weak
:grouphug

[aida]

Contact your local vets and see if someone will sell you some antibiotics. Best choice is Baytril (enrofloxacin) but sulfatrim or even amoxycillen can be used. Even if they won't see your baby they may sell you some antibiotics. You will need to know the concentration of the drug and weigh your baby and someone on here can help you with dosing.

If you cannot get meds from the vet, do you or anyone you know have any human antibiotics - maybe something left over from an illness> If so, we will again need to know what the drug is and what the concentration is, plus baby weight so we can help you break it down and dose correctly.


I have this antibiotic
roxithromycin -150 mg. Please see to it as early as possible.:thankyou

[aida]

Till now baby is active he is warm and as usual climbs on my hand when hungry. just the clickin is gettng me worried. i jus wish for the morning to come as soon as possible so that ill rush for the any medicine you suggest for him. :thankyou so much

[Jackie in Tampa]

Azithromycin (MIOMYCIN DT & Syrup)
Introduction:
Azythromycin is a broad spectrum antibiotic belonging to azalide group (sub-class of macrolide group). Being oil soluble it is very effective against intracellular pathogens and deep seated pathogens as commonly observed in chronic infections. It is very effective against Staphyococcus & Streptococccus most commonly involve in chronic RTI like tonsillitis, pharyngitis & sinusitis. It is only a drug of choice for infections caused by atypical micro-organisms like Chlamydia pneumoniae, Legionella pneumophila, Mycoplasma pneumoniae and Mycobacterium avium. Dosage convenience ensures better patient compliance.
It directly enters inside the cells by crossing the membrane layer directly. Other advantage of this drug is that from the blood circulation it enters into tissues where from it is released slowly giving high tissue concentrations, thus (Miomycin) becoming a drug of choice for chronic respiratory tract infections, skin and soft tissues infections and pelvic inflammatory diseases.

Here's what I found so far...
can someone chime in while I continue to rack my brain with research {not my cup of tea}...
I need to know dosage and if rodent friendly...
any help would be appreciated....still feeding, still inPJs,
still haven't brushed my teeth!:shakehead

Hang on aida..we are working hard for your sweet baby...:grouphug

[Jackie in Tampa]

is it a tablet aida?
Or is it oral suspension? {liquid}

[aida]

I have tablets .

[Jackie in Tampa]

it is very similar to erythromycin...
still researching...be back soon

[Jackie in Tampa]

AIDA has eyrthromycin estolate 250mg....Is anyone available to help us dose...Thank you..

I have copied this from a rat forum that I often reference..

I will start to get dose also...

AIDA, do you know how much baby weighs? in grams?



Erythromycin

<A href="http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/">http://ratguide.com/images/medication_guide.gif
Back to Antimicrobial Agents (http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/)Brands

Ery-Tab, Mycin, Robimycin, Robitabs, Eryc, EryPed and EryPed drops.
(Ornacyn sold over counter for birds in pet store; however, though used in emergencies by pet rat owners, it is not recommended to do so. ) Availability

Tablets, capsules, granules, suspensions, drops, and injectable. Pharmacology

A macrolide, bacteriostatic antibiotic, erythromycin is believed to inhibit bacterial protein synthesis by binding to the ribosomal 50S subunit. It is used in the treatment against Gram-positive bacilli such as, Bacillus anthracis, corynebacterium, clostridium, and the Gram-positive cocci, staphylococcus and streptococcus, as well as some strains of mycoplasma.
At high concentrations or against highly susceptible organisms erythromycin may act as a bactericidal.
Erythromycin is absorbed in the upper small intestine after given orally. It is widely distributed throughout most body fluids and tissues with the exception of a lesser amount in cerebral spinal fluid. It crosses the placental barrier and appears in breast milk.
Erythromycin is metabolized partially in the liver and excreted in bile along with a small amount in urine.
Some 2 year studies in rats have documented no observable teratogenic or carcinogenic effects at greater than the human dose.
In another study it was shown that at similar doses there may be decreased contractility of the uterus in the pregnant rat. *Note: dosages used in both studies were at greater than the therapeutic range for the rat (see references to studies listed below).
Based on animal studies, erythromycin is considered safe to use during gestation in women. Indications

Can be used in mild respiratory infections Drug Interactions or Contraindications

Because chloramphenicol and lincosamides are antagonists of erythromycin, they should not be used concurrently.
Use of theophylline with erythromycin may increase toxicity. Adverse Reactions

GI: anorexia, diarrhea
Skin: itching
Other: pain at injection site Dosage Recommendations

5 mg/lb to 10 mg/lb , PO , TID 4 (http://ratguide.com/meds/reference/references_and_resources.php)
or
if using ornacyn, 1/2 to 1 tablet in 2 oz. water mixed daily 4 (http://ratguide.com/meds/reference/references_and_resources.php)
or
1/8 tablet in food TID 4 (http://ratguide.com/meds/reference/references_and_resources.php)
Give med for at least 14 days
or
20 mg/kg PO 1 (http://ratguide.com/meds/reference/references_and_resources.php) Considerations


Considered safe, it is still wise to consult with a vet if you think your rat is pregnant or if your rat is nursing.
If mixing med in water, reduce moist food to encourage rat to drink.
Store capsules and tablets at room temperature.
Solutions and suspensions should be refrigerated. However some individual oral suspension products are stable for 14 days at room temperature. Check with veterinarian or pharmacist.References


Erythromycin - Erythromycin Thiocyante - Erythromycin Stearate: Summary Report 1. (n.d.). Retrieved December 12, 2008, from http://www.emea.europa.eu/pdfs/vet/mrls/Erythromycin%201.pdf.
Erythromycin. (1995, July 25). Retrieved December 12, 2008, from http://www.usp.org/pdf/EN/veterinary/erythromycin.pdf.
Granovsky-Grisaru, S., Ilan, D., Grisaru, D., Lavie, O., Aboulafia, I., Diamant, Y., & Hanani, M. (1998). Effects of erythromycin on contractility of isolated myometrium from pregnant rats. Am J Obstet Gynecol, 178(1 pt 1), 171-4. Retrieved December 12, 2008, from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9465824?dopt=Abstract.

[Jackie in Tampa]

aida can you weigh the squirrel?

[Jackie in Tampa]

tablet is 250mg

dosage is 5-10mg per POUND, not kilo..
1/2 tab is 125mg
add 5cc's of water
making each cc 25.0mg
guessing sqs weight at 1/8 pound?? 56 grams'ish
going with 60 grams...:dono :thinking help needed please on guessing!

[aida]

tablet is 250mg

dosage is 5-10mg per POUND, not kilo..
1/2 tab is 125mg
add 5cc's of water
making each cc 25.0mg
guessing sqs weight at 1/8 pound?? 56 grams'ish
going with 60 grams...:dono :thinking help needed please on guessing!
I really cant get how to give it . please tell the water quantity and how much tablet should i dissolve. please tell asap. he is so inactive i wanna cry...
waiting please help. he is hardly any weight. maybe less than 90g.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I was interrupted..I am back...
one more minute Ida and I will tell you EXACTLY HOW to make the medicine...

[Jackie in Tampa]

break 1 tablet in two equal pieces. save 1/2 of tablet for later.

smash 1/2 tablet to a powder

add 5ml's of clean water to powder in small jar with a lid if possible...
mix well...

keep well mixed
using a 1ml syringe, draw up .03ml and make sure the baby gets all of this
this is a very small amount, only drops
give this amount every 8 hours {TID} 3 times a day

store this in refridgerator

yes yogust is a must

[Jackie in Tampa]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
I hope the baby can hang on...
this is not a recommended medicine...but it is the only hope aida and baby has...
did anyone double check me?
I will redose again to be sure...

Good Luck baby squirrel...XOXOXOX

[Jackie in Tampa]

Aida for the first and only time...give .06ml right now..

double laoding dose may or may not be good for baby..it is going to be hard on the squirrels digestive system...but he is slipping fast...


please say a prayer.
Aida has been giving yogurt already today.

[island rehabber]

JIT your numbers look right to me....loading dose is a good idea. aida, be calm and we're all praying for your little one.

[Best Life]

Any news? :confused: Praying hard for Aida and her little guy. :grouphug Hang in there!

[Jackie in Tampa]

ty ir!
:)

[island rehabber]

aida just told me he is acting hungry again, so that's good :thumbsup

[Best Life]

Whew! :sunshine Thank you so much for the update. Hope we are on the upswing now!

[aida]

went to vet in the morning its 2:00 pm here and baby have had proper formula (cream is not available i asked many shops and i dont know why it is not available) but i got the Enrofloxacin 150mg tablets they come under the name Enrocin. Baby's mustaches are growing his fur is increasing on tail .He is pooping(small balls) and peeing(transparent). he is warm and enjoy yogurt. but sadly cream is not available. :thankyou
I love this society thanks for all your help.:thankyou

[Best Life]

Aida -This Is Wonderful News!! Thank YOU for taking such good care of this little baby. Have you given him a name yet?

We love reading updates on his progress and especially PICTURES. You're doing a great job! Enjoy your little one as you help him get healthy and strong.

[Mrs Skul]

:wahoo Aida That is Good News!!!:alright.gif
We love progress. Gaining weight and growing Furr and whiskers. That is wonderful information. :flash3

[aida]

He has started to recognize my hands:) . But he becomes so restless when i feed him but gets calm as his stomach gets full. he is really sweet :) . waiting for his eyes to open. today i noticed fur on his stomach. I made him sleep on his bed but he seems to enjoy my blanket more :) . so i have put my blanket on his bed so that he stays warm . he is taking a sound sleep now. but still i can hear clicking sound . i wish he get perfect soon. will keep you all updated.

[chickoo]

hi there :wave123

im so sorry i couldnt chime in earlier...........been shuttling between hospital and home for the last three days.............exhausted:shakehead

so sorry to hear one little one didnt make it............

at the same time, very glad to hear the other one seems to be a fighter!!! :wahoo ................how is he doing now?

delighted u could get the enrofloxacin from a vet :thumbsup :thumbsup

is the baby still clicking?

[Jackie in Tampa]

:wott I am so happy the baby is gaining!:alright.gif
:Love_Icon thank you for doing your best!:Love_Icon You are awesome!:bowdown



Depending on the medicine type, the clicking can vary as to when it will stop. It does normally take 2-4 days.
After the clicking has stopped, you must continue to treat with the medicine for the time advised for that particular medicine. Each anti biotic is different.
I am not sure which medicine you are using right now.

I did give correct dose info for the erythromycin, but I cannot dose the second med aquired from vet as I do not have a dose, mg/kg info on that medicine. {enrocin}
I am so sorry..I will do some more investigating today.
Were you able to get dosing info on the enrocin? or are you still using the erythromycin?

[island rehabber]

Jackie i believe she meant 'enrofloxacin' -- Baytril. :) I helped her with the dosage yesterday so I think we're good to go.

[lilidukes]

Wonderful things happen when great minds work together:thumbsup

[aida]

:wott I am so happy the baby is gaining!:alright.gif
:Love_Icon thank you for doing your best!:Love_Icon You are awesome!:bowdown



Depending on the medicine type, the clicking can vary as to when it will stop. It does normally take 2-4 days.
After the clicking has stopped, you must continue to treat with the medicine for the time advised for that particular medicine. Each anti biotic is different.
I am not sure which medicine you are using right now.

I did give correct dose info for the erythromycin, but I cannot dose the second med aquired from vet as I do not have a dose, mg/kg info on that medicine. {enrocin}
I am so sorry..I will do some more investigating today.
Were you able to get dosing info on the enrocin? or are you still using the erythromycin?
It is same salt enrofloxacin which is found in baytril . It is of 150mg at the back of its cover it says for dogs 1tablet per 30kg weight that is 5mg per kg body weight given orally , 3 to 10 days with or without food. and it also says not for use in dogs less than 1 year or in exceptionally large breeds of dog with a longer growth period under 18 months of age, as articular cartilage may be affected during the period of rapid growth. not recommended for use in cats less than 8 weeks of age.

[Jackie in Tampa]

Jackie i believe she meant 'enrofloxacin' -- Baytril. :) I helped her with the dosage yesterday so I think we're good to go.
the name she gave is very similar to enroflaxin/baytril, made in Poland I think...
I was not sure ...if the chemical make up's were the same?!...as the mg/kg were not usable in comparing with baytril OR ARE THEY?
:shakehead I was too unsure...so glad you helped!:bowdown :multi

:thinking I also got very conflicting info...one site saying enrocin WAS erythromycin, and others saying enroflaxin..:dono .
I was scared....if it doesn't slap me in the face, I need HALP!
Thank you IR!!!!:thumbsup


AIDA...I was so relieved to get positive update!:Love_Icon
:bowdown :grouphug
What is your babies name?

[aida]

hi there :wave123

im so sorry i couldnt chime in earlier...........been shuttling between hospital and home for the last three days.............exhausted:shakehead

so sorry to hear one little one didnt make it............

at the same time, very glad to hear the other one seems to be a fighter!!! :wahoo ................how is he doing now?

delighted u could get the enrofloxacin from a vet :thumbsup :thumbsup

is the baby still clicking?
ya he is still clicking. but he is active . :)

[aida]

Hello everyone ,
I am posting a latest picture .
Hope you like it .
http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_love.gif

[aida]

the name she gave is very similar to enroflaxin/baytril, made in Poland I think...
I was not sure ...if the chemical make up's were the same?!...as the mg/kg were not usable in comparing with baytril OR ARE THEY?
:shakehead I was too unsure...so glad you helped!:bowdown :multi

:thinking I also got very conflicting info...one site saying enrocin WAS erythromycin, and others saying enroflaxin..:dono .
I was scared....if it doesn't slap me in the face, I need HALP!
Thank you IR!!!!:thumbsup


AIDA...I was so relieved to get positive update!:Love_Icon
:bowdown :grouphug
What is your babies name?
Ill name the baby when his eyes will open . name will describe his eyes. just pray for his good health. :thankyou i have pm you describing the medicine packet in detail. hope i get it right.Im beginning to feel his teeth

[Jackie in Tampa]

thank you.:grouphug
Will you tell us what you are feeding, how much and how often you are feeding the baby?
Only formula?
rehydration solution?
You are doing great, please keep the baby warm:grouphug

[aida]

Here is another one. And the Image of Medicine pack i am using .

[island rehabber]

Aww, such a beautiful stripey baby!
And yes, that's Baytril. :thumbsup

[Rescue04]

he is cute!! glad to hear he is doing better. keep up the good work!!

[chickoo]

crittermom PMed me about the whipping cream to be added to the formula.........

i believe whipped cream is available in two brands in india - AMUL and VIJAYA............aida, i think you will be able to get the AMUL brand in a good supermarket in noida...............just ask for whipped cream to make icing for cakes............

also, rehabbers, i was wondering - if aida cannot get the cream, can she skim the creamy layer off the milk after boiling it, and use that instead?

all families and households in india use fresh cows' milk on a daily basis - and it forms a pretty thick layer of cream on the surface when boiled and cooled............should be very easy for aida to get..........is this an option at all?

[CritterMom]

Yes, absolutely. In America, the puppy formulas don't have enough fat in them for squirrels so we add whipping cream to them. I don't think they build dogs differently in India :D so it stands to reason that Aida's puppy formula needs to have a bit of fat added. Not a whole lot - if you make the formula 2 parts water and 1 part powder, you would sub the cream for 1/4 part of the water...

[Best Life]

:Love_Icon .. Aida .. Thanks for posting new pictures... your baby is adorable! :Love_Icon

[Mrs Skul]

Be for it is boiled. Let the Goat milk or Cows milk sit and settle! Then take a spoon and take the cream off the top. That is how we use to make butter, or add cream to coffee.:D I had sent this to Aida several days ago in a PM when telling her about the Yogurt. If mixing normal formula it would be just like this! :thumbsup

The reason he is bitting the syringe, He is hungry. He is not getting the right amount of protean and fat. Add the Heave Cream and Vanilla Yogurt. Also You need to be at full strength. Do you know what his weight is? Can you find a gram scale to weigh him?
Please go ahead and start giving a 2 to 1 formula. That will be 2 Water to 1 formula! You also need to add a Heavy Whipping Cream and a Full Fat Yogurt. When you have him on the full strength formula. You should be able to work in to feeding him evey 2 to 3 hr eventually.
How much does he weigh?
So the mixture will be!
2 TBS Water
1 TBS Formula Powder
1 tsp Vanilla Yogurt
1 TBS Heavy Whipping Cream
When you add the formula to gather, mix well. Mix the Heavy Cream in last. If you mix it all to gather at once it will mix up like chunky butter!
He is such a beautiful little baby boy. Keep up the good hard work!

[aida]

Hi everyone ,
A new picture. Ya i will surely weigh him and tell you . And will make cream also ... Thanks a lot for helping me guys . :thankyou

[island rehabber]

aida, he looks GREAT! :thumbsup good work, mamma :)

[Jackie in Tampa]

adorable:Love_Icon

[aida]

One more :wave123

[island rehabber]

:Love_Iconawwwwwww!! :Love_Icon

[aida]

Sleepyyy Babbyyy:Love_Icon

[aida]

Sooooo Cute.......:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[chickoo]

awwww aida............he is absolutely adorable!!!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Best Life]

:eek: . . Cuteness Overload!! . . . :Love_Icon

[Mrs Skul]

CAUTION!!
What you have just seen is a Cuteness over load!
This warning should be posted be for all baby pictures! :D
Please Type carefully! :rotfl

[Mrs Skul]

:wave123 OH Aida :grouphug
:bounce2You have done a great job. :thumbsup
Welcome to the world of being owned by a Squirrel!!!:D
What a beautiful little boy! :Love_Icon :innocent:Love_Icon
Keep the pictures coming! :flash
I am sure his eye will began to open in a week or two.:thinking
We need a name! :thinking

[aida]

:wave123 OH Aida :grouphug
:bounce2You have done a great job. :thumbsup
Welcome to the world of being owned by a Squirrel!!!:D
What a beautiful little boy! :Love_Icon :innocent:Love_Icon
Keep the pictures coming! :flash
I am sure his eye will began to open in a week or two.:thinking
We need a name! :thinking

Baby is having cream also in formula:) Im working on name.

[Rhapsody]

Awwwwwwww - I am in LOVE. :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

THUNKKKKK>>>>> Sorry.... I think I fainted ... tooooo cute!!!!!!! :D:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[aida]

Hi Everyone ,

I have a question . I just saw that one of his eye is opened a very little bit . Can you tell me when they gonna open .

Another question , his stomach is quite round looks like full , but he is hungry and i also thought may be he is bloated hence i stimulated him and he pooped but even after that his stomach is same . Is it because of any problem or may be he is a little bit fat i guess ?
:thinking

Aida

[CritterMom]

Fat babies are good! If the tummy is soft and round, that is okay. Tight like a drum and round is not good. If he pooped he is probably just a fat baby.

[aida]

Baby squirrel is doing something weird i guess . When i feed him he takes syringe opening in his mouth and after a while after eating when i removes syringe he just lie with his mouth open and breaths through it . What could be the problem ?

[Jackie in Tampa]

Baby squirrel is doing something weird i guess . When i feed him he takes syringe opening in his mouth and after a while after eating when i removes syringe he just lie with his mouth open and breaths through it . What could be the problem ?
This does happen with some sqs...I call it a feeding trance.
Here's a quote from DRBennet
Sometimes a squirrel will engage in an activity known as a feeding seizure. The baby will open and close its mouth without swallowing and will sometimes push away the syringe. This is normal behavior. Stop feeding let the remaining milk drain out of the mouth, and lightly tap the squirrel on the nose, or tap the syringe on the squirrels lower lip. This will generally stop the behavior an allow the squirrel to continue eating.

Hope this helps.

[Jackie in Tampa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYjzxVyjduw

[aida]

I present you one and only
Mr. Chip Char "pronounce Char as in charcoal "........................

:jump :wahoo :multi :bowdown :Love_Icon :bowdown :multi :wahoo :jump

[CritterMom]

Aw, he looks like he's been working SO hard all day.

Welcome to the world, Mr. Chip Char? May I call you Chip? Or. Mr. Char?

[aida]

You can call Mr.Chip . Char is his surname . hehehehe :rotfl :wahoo

[Jackie in Tampa]

:multi he opened his eyes!..:multi


Aida:bowdown
MrChip is gorgeous!:Love_Icon
:grouphug you are awesome!

[aida]

:multi he opened his eyes!..:multi


Aida:bowdown
MrChip is gorgeous!:Love_Icon
:grouphug you are awesome!
:thankyou . he is so cute i cant take my eyes off of him.:Love_Icon

[aida]

Aw, he looks like he's been working SO hard all day.

Welcome to the world, Mr. Chip Char? May I call you Chip? Or. Mr. Char?
ya. he really feels sleepy after i feed him.:)

[island rehabber]

omg is he CUTE!!!! :Love_Icon

[Tickle's Mom]

:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Such a sweetheart....

[SammysMom]

Oh my goodness is Mr. Chip adorable! I just read this whole thread and you are doing a great job. Of course, the experts here are helping to save lives around the globe as usual...good job one and all! :thumbsup

[Best Life]

What a beauty! Welcome to you, Mr. Chip Char!! Maybe he would like to start a Mr. Chip Char thread now that he has a name.


OH BOY...Let the adventures begin!

[chickoo]

ohhhhhhh!............hi mr cutie sweetie chip char pie!!! :Love_Icon

[aida]

omg is he CUTE!!!! :Love_Icon
hi.. mr. chip is fine and no more clicking sound .:) when should i stop the antibiotic ? his teeth are growing and its just fun to see him trying to run. is there anything else that i should do for his health? its starting to get hot in here so should i still give him warm formula.

[CritterMom]

Oh yes, definitely still heat the formula. The idea is to have it the same temp as it would be if he was getting it from mama - about 100-105 F.

Do people there keep pet rats and mice? If you have pet stores, see if anybody sells a rat diet. You don't want one of those mixes with seeds and corn and stuff; you are looking for a pellet type diet that is machine made. Most look like little rods. If they do, get the name and stuff so we can look it up and check it. Squirrels have very similar dietary needs as rats do, but they are very different from things like hamsters and guinea pigs. He will be ready to start trying solid foods soon and starting him on the RIGHT food from the beginning is the best bet.

[aida]

I tried to give him rat diet .But he smelled it and dint it eat it . Now he doesnt like meralac anymore but eats yogurt . I am kind of worried because he is hyperactive when he eats . He tries to take whole syringe mouth in his mouth and dont drinks formula properly . He tries to swallow syringe . He seems very hungry whenever syringe comes near his mouth . What should i do ? I have also tried giving cream to him but he is not very much fond of it . How do i check he can see now ?

[Jackie in Tampa]

Aida, mix the cream in the formula...just a small amount. THe goal is to add fat to his formula.
Go very slow when feeding him, do not allow him to get too much too fast, that will lead to aspiration again.
When he begins to sit up and curl his tail, you can introduce the rat block then, sometimes you have to soak it in the formula to get them started liking it. It also will make it a little softer.
I love seeing your post of him being eagerly hungry...that is a good sign!:alright.gif
great job!!!

[CritterMom]

A lot of times they want the formula heated a little hotter than you may be heating it. 5 degrees can be the difference between eating and being a naughty little kid!

[aida]

I am giving him warm formula . But he is acting very hyper . He is so hungry to eat it from syringe that he doenot sit calmly and drink . I am not able to feed him even 1 ml properly . What should i do ? I dont have any nipple attachment for syringe also and they arent available here . Is that a reason for him to chew syringe because he wants nipple ? What solid foof should i try ? Can he drink from a saucer or flat plate? I am worried because he seems too hungry but couldnt drink properly because of hyper activeness .

[CritterMom]

They are wiggly little things, aren't they? Try giving him his first syringeful, potty him and put him back in his little container and stroke him quietly for a few minutes, then try again with more formula, feed until he gets fidgity again and put him back for a few more minutes. Sometimes it takes their brains a while to catch up to their tummies. Do not offer it in a dish - he is still too small for that; they can aspirate themselves because they don't understant not to stick their noses in yet.

[Jackie in Tampa]

these are not good pictures, but this is how I hold babies and control their frenzy..try it, you do not have to hold them tight, just enough to control their movement.
Holding the baby upright, not tilted back will also help to NOT aspirate the baby.
If not, CritterMoms idea may also help...
:Love_Icon don't you just love the way they wag their little tails when they are hungry! Precious!

[island rehabber]

Try wrapping him a piece of cloth so just his head is sticking out. Hold firmly but NOT squeezing. I do this with mine for as long as I can. :thumbsup

[aida]

One thing more he sometimes pushes air outside even while eating also from his nose .

Tried holding him the way jackie says but he is not coming in my control .

Even when i try to hold him in piece of cloth he kicks his leg and try to free from my hold very aggressively .

[Jackie in Tampa]

do you have access to grapes? they must be peeled {skin removed} let him suck and nibble on one, try feeding him a short time after...
also CHEERIOs...a breakfast cereal that is healthy{not too much sugar} and slightly soft. It is usually the first solid food I start with.
Pecans without the shell, and of course rat blocks soaked in formula are good.
aggressive wiggling means he is regaining his strength, so although it is hard to feed him , it is wonderful that he is doing better!:wott

[aida]

Ok jackie will try this tomorrow and will tell you the status . Thank You and will tell you . Gudnite :thankyou

[Jackie in Tampa]

Ok jackie will try this tomorrow and will tell you the status . Thank You and will tell you . Gudnite :thankyou
Your baby will still need formula every 4-5 hours, but maybe this will help with him not being so hard to handle and he may just need something solid in his tummy.
We will be here waiting for your next post, goodnight!:wave123

[aida]

He is still hyper active . And goes in trance while eating . Tell me how would i know that he is full after eating . And i also want to know that should i stop enrocin now ?

[CritterMom]

How many days has he been on the meds now?

[island rehabber]

If it's been more than 7 days I would stop all meds.
As for being full, his tummy should feel like a day-old balloon, round but not too hard. :) The best thing to do is weigh him and make sure you are feeding 5-7% of his body weight at each feeding.

[Jackie in Tampa]

Today or tomorrow should be fine to stop!:thumbsup

:Love_Icon MrChip :Love_Icon

[aida]

Hi everyone ,

I am not able feed him now because i m not able to hold him anymore . He is so fast . What should i do ?

When will he start drinking from a soccer or plate ?

[aida]

PLEASE HELP

I GAVE CHIP PEELED OFF GRAPE > BUT HE CHOKED ON IT . NOW I M TRYONG TO GIVE HIM WATER
BUT WATER IS COMNING OUT OF HIS NOSE . WHAT SHOULD I DO TELL ME FAST
HE IS OPENING HIS MOUTH AND WALKING HERE AND THERE

[petlover56]

Hi aida..im so sorry i couldnt get to you before...i've been in hospital for a tumor in my neck...

Im from sri lanka and I have successfully raised a very weak indian palm squirrel with only the help i got from this board...

DONT GIVE HIM WATER....FIRST OF ALL CALM DOWN AND TAKE HIM AND HOLD HIM SOFTLY SO HIS HEAD IS DOWNWARDS..

then touch her throat very very gently and stroke softly upwards TWICE, towards his mouth and see if the choked piece comes out....

if not like i was told here u would have to open her mouth and use a tweezer to remove it BUT U WILL HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREUL NOT TO HURT IT... and i will not ask you to do it without being positive that u can see the choked piece in his throat...I'll post a link from the board where i had a similar incident with my terri

and if stroking doesnt help and you are not allright with the tweezer please TAKE HER TO A VET IMMEDIATELY!

[petlover56]

Hi everyone ,

I am not able feed him now because i m not able to hold him anymore . He is so fast . What should i do ?

When will he start drinking from a soccer or plate ?


With this what I have to tell you is that raising a baby squirrel is pretty difficult especially a naughty indian palm squirrel with our limited resources in our countries..

you need all the dedication in the world for it!

so you' yourself will have to be pretty fast and move quickly with him (i lost weight running after mine!)

how old is he? my baby started drinking milk on her own only after about 10 weeks, even now he loves to be syringe fed now and then

use a 1cc syringe with the needle removed and why dont you use the gourt milk formula which my one absolutely LOVE!

its made with gourt milk with fresh cream and unflavored yogurt

[petlover56]

Hi aida..im so sorry i couldnt get to you before...i've been in hospital for a tumor in my neck...

Im from sri lanka and I have successfully raised a very weak indian palm squirrel with only the help i got from this board...

DONT GIVE HIM WATER....FIRST OF ALL CALM DOWN AND TAKE HIM AND HOLD HIM SOFTLY SO HIS HEAD IS DOWNWARDS..

then touch her throat very very gently and stroke softly upwards TWICE, towards his mouth and see if the choked piece comes out....

if not like i was told here u would have to open her mouth and use a tweezer to remove it BUT U WILL HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREUL NOT TO HURT IT... and i will not ask you to do it without being positive that u can see the choked piece in his throat...I'll post a link from the board where i had a similar incident with my terri

and if stroking doesnt help and you are not allright with the tweezer please TAKE HER TO A VET IMMEDIATELY!


Here's the link

http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26669&page=5&highlight=terri

open his mouth and check inside, make sure you dont hurt him while doing so and also keep your ear near his chest-throat area and see if you hear a ticking sound

[asweetdiversion]

Just adorable babes.

[aida]

Thanks friends the grape has been removed quite a long time i posted in the other thread i made but its been removed i guess . Thanks a lot for support :thankyou

[aida]

Thanks friends the grape has been removed quite a long time i posted in the other thread i made but its been removed i guess . Thanks a lot for support :thankyou

Now with the grace of GOD Mr. Chip Char is Fine and healthy...:wahoo
Please follow my thread
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27715
Thanks to all of you :jump :multi :multi

[aida]

Do squirrels have fever ?

Actually two days earlier chip peed 4 times in just half hr and this happened when he woke up after sleeping from 3 pm to 8 pm , he slept at 3 pm just after having his food [ 6 ml of formula ] and woke up at 8 pm and peed 4 times till 8.30 . And one thing more he is not drinking water from his water bottle , i assume this because i havent seen him drinking from it from last 2 days . I change water everyday . But i dint suspect as i thought the room temperature is not too high and he get his water requirements from the formula i made by mixing water .


Now today in evening when he was playing outside the cage he climbed on me and i felt his temperature a little bit hot . He was active as normal and played with .

Actually chip lives with me in my room . I have AC running 24 hrs with 28-30 C temperature . I cover his cage at night with just leaving 6 inch opening sideways so that he can see light and have fresh air .

Can this pee incidence and temperature variation be due to AC .

Here temperature outside is 39 C during daytime and close to 33 C at night .
Please suggest whats the prob . Right now he is sleeping after playing and temperature incidence its 10.30 PM here and he was playing at 8.00 PM