please help asap

[ReneeD]

I raised 4 babies since they were approx 3 days old, the are now 11 months and all but 1 lives outdoors. I have noticed in the last few days all of the outdoor living (mine and wild) have bald spots with a big scab in the middle, one of mine has a fat toe and her ear is all scabby. Now my girl who lives home does not have any of the large spots like the others but the bottom of her food seems sore and she has been very lazy and has not come out at all today, her nose is runny and looks kinda purple to me. she will eat and sticks her head out to take food but she is not right and I am so worried. What do I do with all ,I want to help them asap?? Please help

[Nancy in New York]

What is their diet? Can you post pictures. Where abouts are you located, I'm not familiar with the city that you live in, what is that near?
Do your outside ones and your one inside ever have contact? Are your outside ones released or in an outdoor release cage?
Can you make her a rice buddy. Take some uncooked rice put it in a sock and tie it shut, microwave on high for about 45-60 SECONDS...check for heat distribution, and put it in with her....warm but not hot hot. Sometimes they need warmth when not feeling well.

[Jackie in Tampa]

PIcs will help....to diagnose their issues.
Can you post a pic?
good luck...

[ReneeD]

I am on long island on the east end, yes she does have contact with the others outside. I let her out when she wants to and when she wants to come in she hits the door. All of the others have real nests outside that they built ontheir own, they come visit most days but are on their own

[ReneeD]

Ijust woke her andgave her avacado apple pear cherrys and cucumber and an almond, she ate the almond and avacado and she is now holding her front foot up. she made the biggest pee I have ever seen and went back to sleep I will try for a pic

[ReneeD]

because I am new I cant post attachments, I will try she looks ok she has what looks like a little pile of crust on her cheek in the wisker area, her ears are up. I did rub her back and her ears folded back which I dont recall her ever doing.

[Nancy in New York]

I am currently having computer problems again...I can only read part of your post...but I am thinking from what I am reading that you need to change the diet...I hope that somebody else comes on that can read the whole post...sorry about this.
I will try to keep bumping this to get attention.
Do you have any sort of calcium there? Tums even?

Here is a link to MBD and what to do. I will find you the link to a healthy diet...
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21235


Here is the link to a healty diet
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16093

[Nancy in New York]

Do you have photobucket that you can post pictures in and then just put the link here? Perhaps you can email them to somebody, and they can post. I don't have email either on this computer.....:soapbox :soapbox

[ReneeD]

not sure if this out of line but can you e mail me hamptonintlinc@aol.com,so I can send you a private message, I am not allowed to do that here

[Milo's Mom]

not sure if this out of line but can you e mail me hamptonintlinc@aol.com,so I can send you a private message, I am not allowed to do that here

I just sent you an e-mail. Send me the pics and I'll get them up on TSB.

[Milo's Mom]

Here are 2 pics from ReneeD - not sure if any of the spots/issues can be seen

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[ReneeD]

Thank you Milos Mom, in the last pic you can see it slightly

[ReneeD]

one more thing, she pooped and it looked very strange. dry and bumpy.....and smelly. it looks brittle, like its was old but it just came out!!!!

[Kelly Brady]

Hi ReneeD !

I am sorry your kids are not well. Have you gone on the link to read about MBD? The last pic are we looking for crust on or around the nose?
It would help if you could tell us if she has any of the signs associated with MBD.

[SammysMom]

The poop sounds like she need fluids. Not sure on the other stuff, but fluids will not ever hurt. Hope she's feeling better soon!

[Nancy in New York]

Would it be possible to get a fecal sample to a vet? I agree about the hydration, hard poops....more fluids, and if you are pushing the fluids, can you put a little calcium in the water. You can crush up a tums really fine and either syringe feed, most likely she won't take a syringe, or put it in a bowl...

[Rhapsody]

I was thinking fluids too......
How about placing one of those water heater things outside that keeps the water flowing for the birds and other furry friends or this cute little bird bath I found that could work for squirrels to drink out of during the winter - its only $15.99

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=9089+8776+21965&pcatid=21965

Dr Fisher & Smith (all Bird Baths & Watering)
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/wild-birds/birdbaths-water-features/ps/c/9089/8776

[ReneeD]

I will read MBD fact and let you know . There is just a little crustie bump on one cheek I have been giving half water half peidlite and acrushed 600mg calcium pill,she does not love it but she has been taking it from syringe and water bottle. Def. seem really thursty thank you everyone for trying to help me

[ReneeD]

the symptoms I read on this site really do not match up with her symptoms. 2 days ago she was her crazy amazing self. Is there anything else I can do or give her that can help with out knowing what is wrong? My vet is not home, hopefully he is in the morning and I will call him

[ReneeD]

I was thinking fluids too......
How about placing one of those water heater things outside that keeps the water flowing for the birds and other furry friends or this cute little bird bath I found that could work for squirrels to drink out of during the winter - its only $15.99

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=9089+8776+21965&pcatid=21965

Dr Fisher & Smith (all Bird Baths & Watering)
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/wild-birds/birdbaths-water-features/ps/c/9089/8776


not sure I am answering this in the right place however I have a fountain in my yard that I have kept running to avoid freezing and I also kep a bowl of water outside and inside there is always water aswell

[Nancy in New York]

How are your little ones this morning?

[pappy1264]

I am not trying to freak anyone out here, but could it be pox? She has been exposed to the ones outside and they have the same thing, correct? I'm no expert, just thinking outloud. Could you possibly get better pics?

[island rehabber]

hi Renee, from across Long Island Sound :wave123
you may have multiple issues going on out there and I think one of them may be sarcoptic mange. This will show up in scabby, bumpy, or pinkish-red looking skin and fur, particularly on the face. It is easily treated with Revolution, if you can get near the squirrel, or ivermectin if you must dose it by putting it on a treat. I agree that the one girl sounds as if she needs fluids badly -- can you make her a hydrating solution? Very simple:
1 quart warm water
3 TABLEspoons sugar
1 TEAspoon salt
add a little fruit juice or apple sauce for flavor....

This will provide energy, electrolytes and hydration for her. Do you have access to squirrel meds? If not, I can check with some Long Island rehabbers I know.....

[Kelly Brady]

I was wondering the same thing Pappy but hate to even say the word. The sores sounded suspicious. Crusty and scabby in the middle and not feeling well.

I have no experience with it though.

[Milo's Mom]

I talked to ReneeD last night after we exchanged a few e-mails. She was not quite able to "explain" what she was seeing and it's progression by typing. The crustiness made me think mange, but the bald circles with a dark spot in the middle made me think otherwise.
I too asked her to try to get some better pics to "show" the spots. I also offered to post them on her behalf...all she needed to do was e-mail them to me.
As of this morning, I have not received any emails/pics from her.
She did tell me that her next door neighbor is a vet and that if she needs meds, she is able to get them, which is a good thing.
Hopefully, she will be on soon and leave us all know how everyone is doing.


EDIT: she did tell me last night that she does have Ivermectin......

[island rehabber]

I was wondering the same thing Pappy but hate to even say the word. The sores sounded suspicious. Crusty and scabby in the middle and not feeling well.

I have no experience with it though.

More likely mange -- pox comes from mosquitos and it's too cold for them. Mange isn't a good thing, but way better than pox :tilt

[pappy1264]

Fleas can't transmit it? Mange was my second thought. Neither one is great, but if I had to choose, Mange would be the one I would choose.

[island rehabber]

You could be right about fleas...gotta look that one up.
This time of year, though, new releases often succumb to mange. Their immune systems are stressed by the cold and challenges of being out there in the wild, and it happens. :(

[pappy1264]

I know, and sadly, with more areas having colder then normal temps, I think we are starting to see alot more mange going on. Well, hopefully this little one can get the help and get better.

[Kelly Brady]

I always thought pox was more of a spring thing. But do not know enough about the squirrel type.
With chicken pox in children, Spring always creates an abundance of outbreaks.
Are the two types similar? Just curious.

[Nancy in New York]

Hope that this helps some with determining what your squirrels may have.
With mange you will notice a lot of crusty patches appearing.
Pox is more bumpy/leisons.
Hopefully these pictures will help.
MANGE
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/SQUIRREL1---Ribeiropg-713220.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/baby202.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/baby201.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/009.jpg
This is squirrelfriends little squirrel Cruster...This is when she got him
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/06720copy.jpg
This is when she gave him a bath and got all the crusty off, along with starting treatments.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/01820copy.jpg
This is Crusty today....:D
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/06820copy.jpg

POX
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/pox.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/3-20-06.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/3-18-06.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/138_3835.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/4-4-06.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Babies%202010/pox1.jpg

[Kelly Brady]

Oh yea mange and those ears. I have seen that in my Paco before. She began the mange with ears that looked like that.
So glad treatment has been started. They come around so fast after treatment.

[island rehabber]

I always thought pox was more of a spring thing. But do not know enough about the squirrel type.
With chicken pox in children, Spring always creates an abundance of outbreaks.
Are the two types similar? Just curious.

Yes -- they are both herpes viruses. That's why acyclovir, which is used to treat shingles in adult humans, is so effective with squirrel pox. Shingles is just the adult "flashback" of chicken pox.

[ReneeD]

good morning everyone, thank you..............I have been up all night and I just realized there was a second page of your posts, im really do have a brain.......I ve up so long it may not be all there. OK as far as the pics that were put up, one little girl outside def. has mange. but none of those pics look likethe big bald areas on some outside. I will try to get pics in a few min. My baby in the house has been sleeping and drinking , she seemed kinda angry this morn to only have a big plate of fruits and veggies, I did get a good amount of water and calcium in her during the night. I was holding her and touching her and found a few things, her front paw that she is holding up has fur but I can feel that it is crusty under her fur. She willnot use it but she will let me rub it. She does have the ability to use it , she did hold a peice of avacado . Her back foot same side she was not useing the day before yesterday has pinkish crust and is kinda scaly. The little scaly bump on her cheek scares me, I pray its not pox, its kinda crusty but its just a small area......I will try for pics brb

[Milo's Mom]

If you are not able to post the pics, feel free to e-mail them to me and I will post them for you.

[Milo's Mom]

Here are 2 pics from ReneeD.

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[ReneeD]

guys are you there, my vet has not returned my call yet...........I sent a few more pics to milos mommy and I will continue to do so, please give me any feed back possiable

[ReneeD]

Here are 2 pics from ReneeD.

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thank you , I didnt know you did it already. can u see the bump on her cheek and the pad on her foot is swelled

[ReneeD]

More likely mange -- pox comes from mosquitos and it's too cold for them. Mange isn't a good thing, but way better than pox :tilt


The ones with the large bald spots with circle in middle are running around fine, the only one who is very tired and is hurt is the girl who lives home with me

[ReneeD]

You could be right about fleas...gotta look that one up.
This time of year, though, new releases often succumb to mange. Their immune systems are stressed by the cold and challenges of being out there in the wild, and it happens. :(




they have been living outside since sept

[mugzeezma]

You could be right about fleas...gotta look that one up.
This time of year, though, new releases often succumb to mange. Their immune systems are stressed by the cold and challenges of being out there in the wild, and it happens. :(

Pox wa my first thought because of the swollen toe etc...any blood sucking ectoparasite can carry the pox virus.
Because it's early in the disease, boosting the diet will help tremendously.

mange was my other thought

Revolution will help both situations

[Milo's Mom]

Is the area to which you are referring the area I have circled in red?

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[Milo's Mom]

the swollen pad pic
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outside buddy pic
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[Milo's Mom]

two more pics that I just got

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[ReneeD]

Is the area to which you are referring the area I have circled in red?

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you got it!!!! that is the spot

[Nancy in New York]

Wonder if on the outside baby that was an abcess? Is that draining or does it look to be scabbing over? Thanks for the red circles Milo's mom....I couldn't find anything on the inside ones little face....:D Now I see a tiny something...could that be a spider bite? If so, squirrels have died from spider bites. Can you take his bedding out and check the cage really well for spiders. Take out all of the bedding and put new bedding in...change everything out, that would be my opinion. How long have you noticed the one on the face, and how long after that did he start acting lethargic? Wonder if this is what is on the pad also?
I am going to pm a few people to come to this thread just to get their opinion....thanks for posting these!!!!

[ReneeD]

her bedding has been changed a few times since she has been sick, I hate spiders so I always keep an eye out for them

[ReneeD]

the bump on her front foot is much larger, im goin to try to put warm compress on it, come on guys tell me something. im still waiting on the vet, I do not want to see any other vet, I trust this one

[ReneeD]

as far as revolution, I cant find it anywhere.......I am goin to ask the vet to rush order it, do all of u agree that all

omg she is such an angel, Sara just let me rub her leg and foot and fell asleep, besides for the bump her whole leg is crusty under her fur

[jo_schmoe]

the bump on her front foot is much larger, im goin to try to put warm compress on it, come on guys tell me something. im still waiting on the vet, I do not want to see any other vet, I trust this one
Im just catching up on this. One of my squirrels had a bump on his joint...turned out it was a broken bone healing...not sure if this helps...just trying to offer some more insight. Take care....we all know how hard it is when we have a sick or injured one.

[Nancy in New York]

Can you email me...I tried to PM you and that option isn't working. Here is my email address...I just got my computer back so I hope that email is working...nmognoni@nycap.rr.com

[mugzeezma]

as far as revolution, I cant find it anywhere.......I am goin to ask the vet to rush order it, do all of u agree that all

omg she is such an angel, Sara just let me rub her leg and foot and fell asleep, besides for the bump her whole leg is crusty under her fur

If it's mange Revolution will definitely help.
Revolution, if it's Pox, will clear up any parasites and help by having one less thing (parasites) taxing her immune system.
Not a lot you can do if it's Pox.
You may see more fibrous lesions appear if that's the case.

There is a possibility that the toe was injured.

In the meantime you can try a flea bath with ferret or kitten flea and tick shampoo. Only do that if she will tolerate it. The biggest thing is to keep her stress level low.

[ReneeD]

Hi everyone, I am so happy to say that all though we have lost of work to get everyone back in to tip top condition, my little Sarah woke me this morning playing with my hair and when I opened my eye it was back to the usual morning celebration of MOMMYS UP!!!! I was so happy to see her running around, interested in what was going on outside in her yard. I fell back to sleep and I thinkit was the best sleep I have had in a weeks, knowing is was feeling better. My vet think a run of antibio. will help her out and I am still trying to get pic for you all to see of the outdoor problem. I will keep all of you posted and once again THANK YOU SO MUCH for helping me

[Tickle's Mom]

:thumbsup :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

Hi everyone, I am so happy to say that all though we have lost of work to get everyone back in to tip top condition, my little Sarah woke me this morning playing with my hair and when I opened my eye it was back to the usual morning celebration of MOMMYS UP!!!! I was so happy to see her running around, interested in what was going on outside in her yard. I fell back to sleep and I thinkit was the best sleep I have had in a weeks, knowing is was feeling better. My vet think a run of antibio. will help her out and I am still trying to get pic for you all to see of the outdoor problem. I will keep all of you posted and once again THANK YOU SO MUCH for helping me


Wonderful update....way to go little Sarah...now no more scaring mama!!!:nono

[Milo's Mom]

Thank you for the update!! I was worried about both of you!!