My Little girl is losing weight and making the phenomia cracking...

[drewposi]

So I had 2 little guys that I found inside my truck in the engine compartment mom had made a nest and there were 2 little babies inside both pinkies. I tried to get mom to take them back by removing the nest and and placing it close to the truck she never came... So I decided to take care of them, the rehabber I contacted couldn't take them but gave me some esbilac and told me how to do everything... Well I think that the make I had got Phenomia... He lost weight like crazy refused to eat and eventually didnt make it. However my little girl was healthy as could be, but now its been 2 days since he passed and she is starting to show the same signs he did... seems to be losing weight I can see her ribs, she seems to be very restless and still moves around alot but seems to be getting weaker... she used to pull away from me during feeding and squirm now she just kinda lays there and moves her front feet... She is still eating however just not as much as she used to. I just now learned that esbilac isnt good... Also I was told to microwave the formula so i have been doing that as well... I need to know what to do I orderend the fow valley formula and it should be here tuesday what can I do to make sure she stays alive untill then? I have been feeding her like every 3-4 hours about 1/2 cc to 3/4 cc of the esbilac 1 part formula 2 parts water. help I dont want to lose her!

[drewposi]

Oh and I have her in a shoe box with a heating pad on the bottom, covered by a dish towel, and another towel that lays over half of the box she seems to like to craw underneath it. She is also getting like really dry skin, starting to get peach fuzz all over and has little dandruff flakes sorta. Im guessing shes barely 2 weeks old maybe closer to 3. I need help because I really don't want to lose her.. Should I try to give her some unflavored pedialyte? I just need some tips... and if she does have phenomia what do i do?

[drewposi]

She also poops alot!!! golden brownish sometimes a little yellow and whitish. but usually after I feed I stimulater her to pee and she does but usually doesn't poop for a few more mins then will continue to until i feed her next. He box gets covered everyday lol I guess thats a good thing from what I have been reading.. Just don't know what to do for her cracking noise... is the fact that she is still eating good? should I use a different mix? should I give her some pedialyte? please somebody help lol! im not that desperate but I just don't want her to die like her little brother.http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/drewposi/photo.jpg

[pappy1264]

You need to get her out of the cardboard box. Do you have a sterilite container or critter keeper, that would be a better choice. Can you hear her clicking when she breathes? She will need ab's. Where are you in FL, hopefully someone is close enough to help. Do you have a vet you can take her to? If she is that ill, she needs to get to one now!

[drewposi]

She only clicks when Im feeding her not just breathing.. and I dont have anything else really other than some tupperware clear plastic... she just got like this this morning... doesn't seem to be too sick but shes losing weight....

[Sarabi]

Do you have her on a heating pad?

[Sarabi]

Do you have a rehabber close that can help you? You may need some antibiotics. She looks to be dehydrated, how often and how much is she eating? how are you mixing the formula?

[drewposi]

I dont know how to find one... the guy I knew was a family friend that rehabbed them however he isnt licensed... im having trouble finding a list or something to find one.


And yes shes on a heating pad.

[drewposi]

Do you have a rehabber close that can help you? You may need some antibiotics. She looks to be dehydrated, how often and how much is she eating? how are you mixing the formula?

2:1 water to esbilac

[Sarabi]

Is the heat source where she can get off if she gets too warm?

[Sarabi]

What county are you in?

[drewposi]

I just got off the phone with the people that are the only rehabber in the county and they could take her monday.... so now i have to keep her alive...

[snooccar]

This sounds like aspiration phnemonia. This occurs when babies inhale formula, like when we choke on a drink or laugh. Often you will see a little milk come out around her nose. She needs to be fed EXTREMLY SLOW!! Could you post a picture of her chest? If you can see white in the lung it is deffinatly from asperation. The pnemonia is caused by the liquid sitting in her lung and growing bacteria.

In the picture it looks as though she may be begining to show signs of failure to thrive. This could be because her little body is working so hard to fight the infection and now she isn't absorbing all the nutrients.

Her poop should be yellow not white but solid (not like a brick) and not loose.

If you have already been in contact with another rehabber contact her again I. Don't know why she would not help with this knowing the squirrel is in danger.

Jess

[Sarabi]

Could you take her to Tampa?

[Sarabi]

tell me what rehabber, I have a list and Theres more than 1 in your area, what city are you close too, are you in pinellas?

[Sarabi]

Did you call a Vicki East? shes in Hernando/ Pinellas theres a sally hannameyer in Hernando and our Jackie is in Tampa...

[snooccar]

Why Monday?it does not make since to wait till Monday in a critical case like this. Wich rehab did you contact? Also where are you located?

[punkin'smama]

Very close to Jackie.

[snooccar]

Very close to Jackie.


Would jackie help her? That would be great!

[Sarabi]

We really want to help here but we have to have some Particulars, Can you call your local Fish & Wildlife if your uncomfortable giving info here. There is more than 1 rehabber in your area and they can give you names and numbers and the rehabbers can help with vet/meds. It sounds pretty serious and she looks like she needs

immediate attention. Yes Jackie would help most definite. Calling now...

[Sarabi]

No answer....I will keep trying I'm heading out the door , But help is on the way, just hang on!!!

[snooccar]

In the mean-while... are you able to post a pic of her chest? There may be some thngs you can do before she gets to a rehaber. And if your afraid of losing her maybe Jackie will allow you do some care for her as a pre release~juvie. You may even be able to release her.

[drewposi]

Yea have her call me I am in St Pete! number is 727 403 1726 Im free for the next few hours!

[drewposi]

I would really love to keep her for the kids and all they want a little pet squirrel but I dont want her to die... I can see some white in her upper chest.... and the ring in her belly cause I just fed her...

[drewposi]

We really want to help here but we have to have some Particulars, Can you call your local Fish & Wildlife if your uncomfortable giving info here. There is more than 1 rehabber in your area and they can give you names and numbers and the rehabbers can help with vet/meds. It sounds pretty serious and she looks like she needs

immediate attention. Yes Jackie would help most definite. Calling now...


If she could get me the meds I don't mind trying to keep her! I jsut need to get her the meds and possibly some food untill i recieve the fox valley stuff tuesday! I want to talk to jackie!!!

[Nancy in New York]

Thanks Sarabi...please keep us informed. This little one will never make it until Monday, time is of the essence you can tell by the picture....she's in bad shape.
Thank you too drewposi for finding the help that she needs. These little ones can be hard enough when they are in good shape, but the shape she is in she needs somebody with all of the experience and equipment, and even then....things go downhill so terribly fast. Thank you for doing the right thing and for finding help for her...:bowdown :Love_Icon

[drewposi]

Thanks Sarabi...please keep us informed. This little one will never make it until Monday, time is of the essence you can tell by the picture....she's in bad shape.
Thank you too Drewposi for finding the help that she needs. These little ones can be hard enough when they are in good shape, but the shape she is in she needs somebody with all of the experience and equipment, and even then....things go downhill so terribly fast. Thank you for doing the right thing and for finding help...:bowdown :Love_Icon

Well hopefully somebody calls me! I want to get her good attention asap!

[Nancy in New York]

Well hopefully somebody calls me! I want to get her good attention asap!

You are awesome!!!!!:grouphug

[snooccar]

I understand but you do not want to keep her if it risks her life. I am new to this group and I unstand they welcome pet owners however I personaly feel that if she was wild she belongs wild unless she is unreleaseable. It would be like keeping your children and locking them up because you always wanted one, never allowing them experience the freedom they deserve.

I think if you could do the care after weaning and before total release and then do the release (slow release where the animal sticks around for shelter and food until she finds her own sources) you and your kids would gain a truly wonderful experience. And what better experience than to let go of something that is not truly yours?

[drewposi]

I understand but you do not want to keep her if it risks her life. I am new to this group and I unstand they welcome pet owners however I personaly feel that if she was wild she belongs wild unless she is unreleaseable. It would be like keeping your children and locking them up because you always wanted one, never allowing them experience the freedom they deserve.

I think if you could do the care after weaning and before total release and then do the release (slow release where the animal sticks around for shelter and food until she finds her own sources) you and your kids would gain a truly wonderful experience. And what better experience than to let go of something that is not truly yours?

Oh 100% I want to release her that was my goal. I just want her to not die in the meantime.

[Nancy in New York]

Well hopefully somebody calls me! I want to get her good attention asap!

I have put out an SOS to some people that I know....fingers crossed!

[drewposi]

I have put out an SOS to some people that I know....fingers crossed!

Awesome thank you so much!

[Nancy in New York]

Awesome thank you so much!

How close are you to Tampa and can you drive? I'm still checking other sources.:)

[drewposi]

How close are you to Tampa and can you drive? I'm still checking other sources.:)

Im south west of tampa I would rather not drive to tampa but could meet somewhere in between or something.

[Nancy in New York]

Im south west of tampa I would rather not drive to tampa but could meet somewhere in between or something.

OK hold on I'm working on getting ahold of a guy in St. Pete....he's excellent!!!:thumbsup

[drewposi]

If I could find the meds I need I would give my 100% all to getting her back... I mean I kinda have that little connection with her but obviously I will do whatever is best for her... Like I said before I ordered the fox valley formula and have had her now for like a week and a half....

[drewposi]

OK hold on I'm working on getting ahold of a guy in St. Pete....he's excellent!!!:thumbsup

Awesome!!!!! yea let me know asap!

[Nancy in New York]

Awesome!!!!! yea let me know asap!

OK....hang tight. I have a friend who is trying to reach him. I told her to have him call you if that is possible for him to do so...

edit...Just got word that he is calling now....:wahoo

[Jackie in Tampa]

thanks mpetys...
can i help with anything?
i will read thread.
ok...i see it's handled.
good luck baby squirrel

[drewposi]

OK....hang tight. I have a friend who is trying to reach him. I told her to have him call you if that is possible for him to do so...

just talked to him. hes coming by shortly. thank you so much

[Nancy in New York]

just talked to him. hes coming by shortly. thank you so much

Perfect.....thank you so much for helping this little one!!!!:thumbsup :grouphug :grouphug

[snooccar]

Oh 100% I want to release her that was my goal. I just want her to not die in the meantime.


It would be so cool if you could set up a relationship with a rehaber and do some slow~releases. That's what got me hooked on my racoons.

As far as her lung looking white is sounds like aspiration. If you do not get in contact with some help soon I think (because of the dehydration/ malnurishment) you should
1)stop formula
2)start with hydration fluids
3)start with a small amount of nutrical for energy.

Wow great! You got results while I was typing! LOL...

[drewposi]

She got picked up and is Probably getting ab's as we speak! VERY HAPPY!!!
thanks for all that have helped.... Screw Esbilac! I have a pound of Fox Valley coming in the mail tuesday so If I get anymore I can give them the good stuff!

[SquirrelsinSingapore]

now this squirrel is in good hands..
hope to see this one grow up :thumbsup
THank yOu TSB, u guYs are Awesome

and now we :grouphug for this little one...........

[Nancy in New York]

She got picked up and is Probably getting ab's as we speak! VERY HAPPY!!!
thanks for all that have helped.... Screw Esbilac! I have a pound of Fox Valley coming in the mail tuesday so If I get anymore I can give them the good stuff!

Wonderful news....thank you so much for getting the help this little one needs. Thank you Jeff and Karen...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[snooccar]

That's so great! Let me know how she's doing when you find out!

[Pierre]

She got picked up and is Probably getting ab's as we speak! VERY HAPPY!!!
thanks for all that have helped.... Screw Esbilac! I have a pound of Fox Valley coming in the mail tuesday so If I get anymore I can give them the good stuff!


Drewposi-- You did what is SO hard to do--you offered to give this little one up, even though you had already fallen in love with her, in order to get her the care she needs. You are her angel and obviously have a big heart! :Love_Icon I hope she gets better and you get to see her again and again.

:grouphug

[drewposi]

Drewposi-- You did what is SO hard to do--you offered to give this little one up, even though you had already fallen in love with her, in order to get her the care she needs. You are her angel and obviously have a big heart! :Love_Icon I hope she gets better and you get to see her again and again.

:grouphug


Me too I was told that karen would keep pictures up on her site so I can see! I also got a lot of awesome information so that next time I find some orphans I will be way better prepared and hopefully can successfully release them in my yard!

[Jackie in Tampa]

:alright.gif good recovery jeff and fast!:thumbsup
if you need anything...NIN has my number!
I know you have everything, but I am close if you DO need anything!:thumbsup
thanks drewposi and all involved....

[Scooterzmom]

I love seeing how great team work like this pays off. Everyone pulling together and this little one now having the best chances she can get. :alright.gif WONDERFUL JOB everyone down there! WTG for all involved! :thumbsup

[Nancy in New York]

FYI, I heard that the little girl is doing well. Jeff said she is really skinny but otherwise in good shape. She eats good and will be going to Karen today, she will eventually have some cage mates as Karen has 3 others her age. They will be put together when she recovers 100%...:thumbsup
Jeff also started her on sulfatrim just in case she has something going on in her system. Hang in there little one....sounds like you are doing great!

[drewposi]

FYI, I heard that the little girl is doing well. Jeff said she is really skinny but otherwise in good shape. She eats good and will be going to Karen today, she will eventually have some cage mates as Karen has 3 others her age. They will be put together when she recovers 100%...:thumbsup
Jeff also started her on sulfatrim just in case she has something going on in her system. Hang in there little one....sounds like you are doing great!

Awesome hopefully she will post some pictures! BTW You can let her know I named her Beyonce hahahaha because she was a survivor my nieces helped me out with that lol if you wanna let her know that haha Im sure they would love to see some pictures with her name on it lol

[Nancy in New York]

Awesome hopefully she will post some pictures! BTW You can let her know I named her Beyonce hahahaha because she was a survivor my nieces helped me out with that lol if you wanna let her know that haha

Cute name....I will pass this along....:thumbsup
And again, I want to thank you for finding help for this little one...You saved her life...:Love_Icon

[Best Life]

Drewposi...:highfive
Good job on seeking help when needed. AND :thumbsup to TSB peeps AGAIN!

I know it's heart-wrenching to hand your baby over to someone else, but when you have done absolutely everything you can (and you DID) and she still was not thriving, it's really the only option. Many people on TSB (including me) have had to do that at one time or another. It truly is a gift of love to do so :Love_Icon .

Hopefully you will soon see pictures posted of a chubby Beyonce in a warm, happy pile of step-siblings! I'm so sorry about her brother; they really do go fast when they are so tiny.

I only popped in just now and saw little Beyonce's thread...I am in Lutz and can usually at least help with transportation and/or supplies. I'm glad to hear that you will now have supplies on hand just in case!


:tilt ...Linda

[Nancy in New York]

Just thought I would give a little update on Beyonce.....I am told she is doing wonderful, eating well and getting stronger all the time. What a little peanut she is.....nice save drewposi! :Love_Icon

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[CritterMom]

OMG! She's too little to be a peanut! What a cutie. :thumbsup

[Busysqrl]

Oh my, she is a little doll isn't she :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

Such a sweet sweet :Love_Icon tiny ti-bébé awwww.... I hope verything goes well for her and makes great progress. Sheès in good hands I know that. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Chickenlegs]

TSB saves again. Can't tell everyone how honored I am to be with such glorious people! What a teeeny beautiful little girl--and she'll grow up to be a big girl squirrel because of the good hearts of folks on TSB. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon