avacado help

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

OMG - Spouse gave avacado to squirrels last night WITH THE SKIN ON! Help. My squirrels (2 of the 5 - Ginger the wondersquirrel and Bear my NR) are very slugish. Ginger has been throwing up and is rubbing her face. Any suggestions. I am just sick. Is there anything I can do. From the looks of the Avacado in the fridge looks like he just gave them small pieces - maybe the size of a nickel. Ginger is a mess.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

I just found this - has anyone lost a squirrel to avacado - Ginger is going down hill fast.

Avocados. The leaves, fruit, bark and seeds of avocados have
all been reported to be toxic. The toxic component in the avocado is "persin,"
which is a fatty acid derivative. Symptoms of toxicity include difficulty
breathing, abdominal enlargement, abnormal fluid accumulations in the chest,
abdomen and sac around the heart. The amount that needs to be ingested to cause
signs is unknown. Do not feed your pet any component of the avocado.

Avocado (Persea americana) The toxic principle in avocado is persin and
leaves, fruit, bark, and seeds of the avocado have been reported to be toxic to
birds and various other species. Several varieties of avocado are available, but
not all varieties appear to be equally toxic. In birds, clinical effects seen
with avocado poisoning include respiratory distress, generalized congestion, and
death. Onset of clinical signs usually occurs after 12 hours of ingestion with
death occurring within 1-2 days of the time of exposure. Small birds such as
canaries and budgies are considered to be more susceptible, however, clinical
signs have been observed in other species.

[Jackie in Tampa]

with any vomit issue...hydration is key.
Many here will say that avocodos are deadly..I disagree.
I have given my sqs avocodos everyday for years with the skin...few will eat the skin, but some have and without incident.
Yes with birds, I have been told they are deadly...not so much with sqs.
We have huge trees on most streets, sqs eat them daily.
If you think they are dying, they need activated charcoal in order to help absorb the toxic matter...probably too late though if feed yesterday. VET care is my advise. Could they have gotten into anything else?
what are the actual symptoms other than vomiting?
push fluids
good luck

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Thanks Jackie. Ya know I've given avacados for years, just peel them. But many many times the squirrels have gotten into them when they are on the counter and have even stolen them chowing down the entire fruit/veg. Ginger & Bear have been totally confined this weekend as we have company in. Ginger is rubbing her head like crazy on everything - odd behavior and is lathargic. Barfed a white paste???? She drinking a lot and did eat an apple piece but won't touch her breakfast. Bear is sleeping and has no interest in anything. Its odd - Ginger isn't in her nest, but laying here watching me. Vet is out of town - I have 8am appt Monday with dog. :shakehead
Odd thing - none of the winter juvies are sick.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

PS Activated Charchol - I usually get a dose from my vet in liquid form - Don't have any here - Damn. Is there anywhere else one would find???

[Jackie in Tampa]

i would think a sq may have a sensitivity, but i would continue looking for something else ...
or
pesticides on the skin...
i am not saying anything def...just my experiences...
please ck for other stufff...

[Jackie in Tampa]

PS Activated Charchol - I usually get a dose from my vet in liquid form - Don't have any here - Damn. Is there anywhere else one would find???drug store

[mugzeezma]

[
Nancy... call me


flush them them water.... super hydrate...activated charcaol is at CVS...peroxide to induce vomiting...oh crap...call

[Milo's Mom]

Not sure if this will help or not, but years ago my cat ate part of a philodendron, which are highly toxic and hits the central nervous system fast. I called the vet after hours (Sunday night) and he told me to do the following:

BURN toast - make it BLACK and smokey (to get charcoal)
SCRAPE the burnt toast and mix with a little water to make a liquid
FORCE it down her throat (make her eat it)
Follow with an infant serving of Pepto
Follow with some Chicken Broth

I did it, she was PISSED to say the least, but 15 years later she is still very much alive and does NOT eat my plants anymore.

Like I said, I do not know if it will work with a squirrel, and the chicken broth may have to be replaced with FV or formula, but thought I'd put it out there.

[CritterMom]

Like mugz said, at this point, push fluids like a madman - you are trying to flush her system out.

[Anne]

Listen to Jackie, she knows what she is talking about! My wilds in South Florida ate the avocados faster than we could get to them. Charcoal can be found at WalMart, Walgreens, CVS- always have on hand for emergencies. I would not try to use peroxide. Push fluids!!!!!!

[pappy1264]

I believe at this point, flushing is the best option. LOTS OF FLUIDS. Sending loads of prayers.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Got 4 CCs in Ginger and Bear. Olive taking a turn for the worse now! Spouse on his way to CSV for activated charchol. This CAN NOT be happening.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Bear & Ginger are now pancaked on the floor of cages.

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Are you certain the squirrels ate the skin of the avocado? At the center where I volunteer they NEVER peel the avocados :pissed but as far as I know no squirrel has ever eaten the peel. They just eat out the fruit like they know the other stuff is bad and not to eat it.

I am concerned maybe this is something else altogether, so treat it as if it is poisoning from eating the avocado, but also be thinking of other possibilities.

Also, not sure how much good charcol and vomitting will do at this point since they possibly ate it last night. It's probably already in their systems and vomitting might make things worse.

Fluids are definetely important now.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

2 seperate cages in very clean environment. Same foods. Same branches (from my apple tree) that they get often. Same friut and veg - 1 nut each evening after they eat bites, blocks, fruit and veg. Only new addition was Avocado yesterday (we made Mexican so we had some in the house). All 3 have taken a turn for the worse. 2 others are perfect. No activated charcol at local CVS - but had pill form??? What to do???? Fluids - Olive drank like crazy Bear and Ginger are listless. This can not be my new year. Thanks guys - I am in a fit of tears. I haven't even fed the rest of my critters - Company from out of town and spouse are not pleased.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Every 1/2 hour - hour - 1 1/2 hours - what is best. They all drank but it stressed them. Getting worse.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:goodpost SRBT.......that's what I am saying too...
IMO honestly...too late for charcoal if from last night...
and as I stated earlier...push fluids! FORCEFULLY IF NEEDED, very important for any toxic issues AND vomiting issues.
Vomiting is always followed with hydration, common sense until you are scared in crisis...follow your gut...take ten deep and be the eyes of the sqs for us...
be very thorough with details...
I opt to NOT USE peroxide...I have read it is very contraversal...some say yeah, some say no..
but you should read before making the decision yourself...
http://www.the-natural-path.com/hydrogen-peroxide-therapy.html

there are many articles...
dilution maybe the quencher ...be very sure.:Love_Icon

I get nervous because when you are 1pound...there is no room for mistakes.
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
sending good loving vibes.

[mugzeezma]

Are you certain the squirrels ate the skin of the avocado? At the center where I volunteer they NEVER peel the avocados :pissed but as far as I know no squirrel has ever eaten the peel. They just eat out the fruit like they know the other stuff is bad and not to eat it.

I am concerned maybe this is something else altogether, so treat it as if it is poisoning from eating the avocado, but also be thinking of other possibilities.

Also, not sure how much good charcol and vomitting will do at this point since they possibly ate it last night. It's probably already in their systems and vomitting might make things worse.

Fluids are definetely important now.
Nancy I have syringes and ringers
the place is a disaster and my kids have plans...can you get these guys out here?
anyplace we can meet halfway?
What kind of nuts did you feed?
Acorns?
This ringers has been in the fridge since last spring anyone ... is it okay?
calling you again

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

now look what I found! I always give my squirrels from my apple tree in my yard:

Different opinions have been voiced about the toxicity apple trees. Sources like toxicologist Gillian Willis indicate that apple is safe: others state that it may be toxic part of the year

[Jackie in Tampa]

any change in the behaviors?
what symptoms are they presenting now?
are the refusing anything? fluids?
lethargic?
any more vomiting?
or just once each?

[mugzeezma]

now look what I found! I always give my squirrels from my apple tree in my yard:

Different opinions have been voiced about the toxicity apple trees. Sources like toxicologist Gillian Willis indicate that apple is safe: others state that it may be toxic part of the year


Open the charcoal or crush the tabs...mix with water and syringe in

may be too late but it can't hurt...

Plenty of filtered water every 1/2 hour.

folks.. 2HR is 2-3 hours from me or I would be there by now

[iheartnikon]

Open the charcoal or crush the tabs...mix with water and syringe in

may be too late but it can't hurt...

Plenty of filtered water every 1/2 hour.

folks.. 2HR is 2-3 hours from me or I would be there by now

Should she be putting some sugar and salt in the water so the squirrels don't get over flushed and end up with low electrolyte seizures? I've never had to flush a squirrel before so I'm just throwing the idea out there. Oh this make me so tense waiting for an update. Sending lots of love and thoughts your way 2HR. :Love_Icon

[philomycus]

Please do not give this squirrel activated charcoal. It's too late for it to be effective. Hydration is a big key now, and that's about the only thing medically that you can do for this squirrel.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Update. I have many bandages on my fingers! 2 fox juvies are fine. Absolutely nothing different.

Olive is thirsty! 2nd round of 5 CCs bottled h2o. Fiesty (she's my wild gimpy) but is very thirsty and drinks readily.

Bear is angry. 2nd round of 5CCs bottled h2o. Moved back into his house. Bit me with is 1 bottom tooth (damn !) I got a chance to trim at least. At least he is still angry and has strenghth

Ginger is agrier. 2nd round of 5CCs bottle h2o My cuddle squirrel is a whirling dervish and bit me heartily. She is not in house but laying exhausted after our dosing on her shelf looking at me.

Should next round of fluids be pedylite?

Spouse is fed up of squirrels and has gone Ice Fishing.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

PS - Thanks TSB - I have NEVER had any issues with my oodles of squirrels - I can't believe how NOT alone I feel on a Sunday in rural Illinois. Keep those prayers com'n. :Love_Icon

[SquirrelNut]

must be so frightening!

many prayers sent your way!

as for your husband:shakehead

just kidding! well, somewhat!

:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

I was searching back, and found this posted by Island Rehabber...


These exotic pet specialists do charge for their advice ($30), but in a poisoning emergency they are well worth it, as confirmed by a member who has consulted them:

1-800-213-6680.

[Tickle's Mom]

Prayers all around. Can't help in any other way. Was gonna say, "tell hubby to take a hike" but ice fishing is good too!!!:D

[philomycus]

I just finihed my veterinary toxicology course, 2nd yr vet student. My advice is free and will be always after I graduate. TSB helped me when I got my baby over 5 years ago, and I'll always be here for TSB.

[mugzeezma]

I just finihed my veterinary toxicology course, 2nd yr vet student. My advice is free and will be always after I graduate. TSB helped me when I got my baby over 5 years ago, and I'll always be here for TSB.

Thanks PHILO
I threw out the charcoal because it can't hurt and may or may not help?

Why do you say NOT?

I told her to flush with filtered water and offer pedialyte in between for fear of too much salt and water retention

[philomycus]

It's too late for charcoal. And even though the charcoal will not physically hurt this squirrel the stress of administration of it is the last thing you want right now. I'd give subQ hydration, 0.9% saline. If that's not avail., i'd go with pedialyte.

And to cover my a**, I want to put the disclaimer that I'm NOT a veterinarian. This is my rehabber's advice.

[mugzeezma]

It's too late for charcoal. And even though the charcoal will not physically hurt this squirrel the stress of administration of it is the last thing you want right now. I'd give subQ hydration, 0.9% saline. If that's not avail., i'd go with pedialyte.

And to cover my a**, I want to put the disclaimer that I'm NOT a veterinarian. This is my rehabber's advice.
:rotfl
hey you're one up on us girl!
I know it MAy be too late...hard to say since we don't know what the issue is or when it occurred.
She doesn't have the stuff to subQ already advised and offered to bring it out or meet half way or even get the vet at Willowbrook....may still do that... but Nacny says she has a vet?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Ok 3rd hydrating done.
5 CCs of pedilyte - all 3 liked better. All 3 fiesty. All 3 back in nest boxes and not pancaking on floor. All 3 bit me. Note to self: Winter leather gloves are not enough. LOL
As for ingestion of items. It for sure has to be either Avocados from late yesterday morning but I'm thinking more apt to be the Apple tree branches. (no pesticides as I am vegitarian organic tree hugger) It is in 2 seperate cages (and my cages are super nice - 1 homemade safe cage and 1 ferret nation cage) All are very clean and nothing hidden or rotten like. Barfing for Ginger was overnight. Bear and Olive are just not eating and sluggish now but can growl now (they are in same cage with 2 foxy juvies - Ginger is solo in Ferret nation as she hates squirrels) all have been contained for the past 3 days with company visiting. Odd note: 2 Juvie foxxies are 100% and they had same hmmmmm.

I have vet and could pick up subQ for $100 ER call but that is 1.5 hours each way to them as is Chicago land - that's 2 hours each way. Thank you so much Kathie I really appreciate it. No worries - fluid pushing is going to work !! It just has too or I will just be a mess!! They are drinking and loved the pedilyte. Don't want to be away for 3 hours. I also have very sick rescue dog (remember my Pitty mix I hit on the interstate in Arkansas) well she has compressed disc, hole in side that won't heal and is discharging black from her girly parts - they think miscarry or something from my car strike so I am nursing her too!! Emergency spay 1st thing in AM as well as on the hole. What else - my cocker (16+ year old rescue from Animal Control last year) just had a seizure - but she is ancient - thought she died but then she got back up - can I have 1 more critter situation.

Should I do water for next? or Pedilyte? Should I wait 1 hour or stay at 1/2 hour? Does anyone make little mittens for the squirrel paws - damn those claws are wicked - I think its easier to pill my pitbull.

:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon thanks everyone - its so nice not to be alone while I have this melt down.

OK - and for husband off fishing - get this.....you're going to laugh....last April I had a kidney stone - passed 1 at the hospital then came home to recover - where did my spouse go as I lay on the sofa - where else....fishing.

[Anne]

Pedilyte Every 2 hours now-no water just the pediyte! Do not throw out the charcoal, you may need it some day for something else. Charcoal is one of the things I always keep on hand for emergencies -but it usually is just good for the first 12 to 24 hours depending on what you are counteracting!
My squirrels have always eaten avocado-they love it. If I had to point my finger at something, it could by apple tree (?) So glad to see squirrels are well enough for DH to go fishing.

[iheartnikon]

Ok 3rd hydrating done.
5 CCs of pedilyte - all 3 liked better. All 3 fiesty. All 3 back in nest boxes and not pancaking on floor. All 3 bit me. Note to self: Winter leather gloves are not enough. LOL
As for ingestion of items. It for sure has to be either Avocados from late yesterday morning but I'm thinking more apt to be the Apple tree branches. (no pesticides as I am vegitarian organic tree hugger) It is in 2 seperate cages (and my cages are super nice - 1 homemade safe cage and 1 ferret nation cage) All are very clean and nothing hidden or rotten like. Barfing for Ginger was overnight. Bear and Olive are just not eating and sluggish now but can growl now (they are in same cage with 2 foxy juvies - Ginger is solo in Ferret nation as she hates squirrels) all have been contained for the past 3 days with company visiting. Odd note: 2 Juvie foxxies are 100% and they had same hmmmmm.

I have vet and could pick up subQ for $100 ER call but that is 1.5 hours each way to them as is Chicago land - that's 2 hours each way. Thank you so much Kathie I really appreciate it. No worries - fluid pushing is going to work !! It just has too or I will just be a mess!! They are drinking and loved the pedilyte. Don't want to be away for 3 hours. I also have very sick rescue dog (remember my Pitty mix I hit on the interstate in Arkansas) well she has compressed disc, hole in side that won't heal and is discharging black from her girly parts - they think miscarry or something from my car strike so I am nursing her too!! Emergency spay 1st thing in AM as well as on the hole. What else - my cocker (16+ year old rescue from Animal Control last year) just had a seizure - but she is ancient - thought she died but then she got back up - can I have 1 more critter situation.

Should I do water for next? or Pedilyte? Should I wait 1 hour or stay at 1/2 hour? Does anyone make little mittens for the squirrel paws - damn those claws are wicked - I think its easier to pill my pitbull.

:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon thanks everyone - its so nice not to be alone while I have this melt down.

OK - and for husband off fishing - get this.....you're going to laugh....last April I had a kidney stone - passed 1 at the hospital then came home to recover - where did my spouse go as I lay on the sofa - where else....fishing.

So glad to hear they are feeling a little better!
The easiest way I've found to pill a large dog is to push the pill into a square of cheese slightly larger than the pill. They usually eat it right up. Some know the pill is in there, though and won't eat it. :shakehead

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

So glad to hear they are feeling a little better!
The easiest way I've found to pill a large dog is to push the pill into a square of cheese slightly larger than the pill. They usually eat it right up. Some know the pill is in there, though and won't eat it. :shakehead

That's what you think!!! :crazy LOL. I do dog rescue and I have this 1 sheltie 18 years old. She sucks the peanut butter / velveta OFF of all of her pills. She is quite talented - my vet is actually amazed at her determination to NOT eat a pill! And she HAS to have them. But fluids in a squirrel I think are harder than Little Miss Shelly. Now for 4th fluid session....

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

olive is dying.in my hands now. fell out of nest box

[mugzeezma]

olive is dying.in my hands now. fell out of nest box


NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh no
Nancy what can I do?

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

My dog is the best with taking pills. He is allergic to like EVERYTHING so I just open up his mouth, put the pill in the back of his mouth and he swallows it right down. He is so good.


I do not think apple branches are the issue here. I have a little apple tree in my backyard and always give my squirrels branches and apples, and I give the whole apple to them, they usually just leave the core, but sometimes they eat it all. There is very little cyanide in the apple and they would have to eat like 2 or 3 whole apples to get enough poison to make them sick. So, it is highly unlikely that the apple branches or apples were an issue.

I am thinking this might be totally unrelated to the apple branches or the avocado. Has anything else changed lately? Have they been eating their food? Do they live together? Any other squirrels in the cage.

Something that another rehabber brought up in a class on nutrition that I had never thought of is that when we have multiples in a cage we make up very healthy diets for the group. Naturally you multiply all ingredients by the number of animals and naturally there are more healthy parts of the diet and less healthy parts and the key is that they eat it all. So, when you have a bunch of squirrels in the cage, the first guy up will likely go through and get all the good stuff (like grapes or all the nuts), then the others fill up on the other foods that aren't as tasty, but are probably healthier. The example the person used was opossums. So, you make up this fabulous diet for your 8 possum babies. You got a bunch of cat chow, some grapes, apple, yogurt, sweet potato, etc. First guy wakes up and heads out and sure enough he goes for the grapes and the apples, their favorites, next couple guys might get all the yogurt, then the last little ones up get the cat chow and some really late riser might just get the sweet potato and carrot bits. So, now this nice dish you have made so nutritionally complete is all messed up because they didn't eat what they were suppossed to. Seems so obvious, but I had never considered that. Usually we just put it out then see it's gone next morning and think everyone must have gotten what they were suppossed to. Then one little one will come down with MBD or some other issue and we don't see why, but it is obvious if you think about it.

Due to this I have been giving the bulk of the foods in the morning and making sure everyone gets up and starts eating so no one gets all of one thing. Then I give the yogurt (or for squirrels the nuts or whatever treat you give) in the afternoon and again make sure everyone gets their chance. With the squirrels, I usually just scatter the nuts in the afternoon because they are already up and with them spread out one squirrel can't guard the whole stack.

Sorry, that was long. Depending on the number of squirrels and your feeding plan, I am just wondering if you could be running into a situation from them not eating what they should. How long have you had them? How many are housed together? How do you feed them (in a bowl, scattered, all at once, 2-3 times a day, that kind of thing)?

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

olive is dying.in my hands now. fell out of nest box

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That is horrible. Did he hurt himself in the fall or just weak in general?

Do you have sub Q fluids?

[mugzeezma]

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That is horrible. Did he hurt himself in the fall or just weak in general?

Do you have sub Q fluids?
No she doesn't
I do but am 2 hours away with kids.

We talked about this already. I put in a call to Willowbrook...no reply yet

[Baxied]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug Praying hard for you and your babies!!:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[mugzeezma]

My dog is the best with taking pills. He is allergic to like EVERYTHING so I just open up his mouth, put the pill in the back of his mouth and he swallows it right down. He is so good.


I do not think apple branches are the issue here. I have a little apple tree in my backyard and always give my squirrels branches and apples, and I give the whole apple to them, they usually just leave the core, but sometimes they eat it all. There is very little cyanide in the apple and they would have to eat like 2 or 3 whole apples to get enough poison to make them sick. So, it is highly unlikely that the apple branches or apples were an issue.

I am thinking this might be totally unrelated to the apple branches or the avocado. Has anything else changed lately? Have they been eating their food? Do they live together? Any other squirrels in the cage.

Something that another rehabber brought up in a class on nutrition that I had never thought of is that when we have multiples in a cage we make up very healthy diets for the group. Naturally you multiply all ingredients by the number of animals and naturally there are more healthy parts of the diet and less healthy parts and the key is that they eat it all. So, when you have a bunch of squirrels in the cage, the first guy up will likely go through and get all the good stuff (like grapes or all the nuts), then the others fill up on the other foods that aren't as tasty, but are probably healthier. The example the person used was opossums. So, you make up this fabulous diet for your 8 possum babies. You got a bunch of cat chow, some grapes, apple, yogurt, sweet potato, etc. First guy wakes up and heads out and sure enough he goes for the grapes and the apples, their favorites, next couple guys might get all the yogurt, then the last little ones up get the cat chow and some really late riser might just get the sweet potato and carrot bits. So, now this nice dish you have made so nutritionally complete is all messed up because they didn't eat what they were suppossed to. Seems so obvious, but I had never considered that. Usually we just put it out then see it's gone next morning and think everyone must have gotten what they were suppossed to. Then one little one will come down with MBD or some other issue and we don't see why, but it is obvious if you think about it.

Due to this I have been giving the bulk of the foods in the morning and making sure everyone gets up and starts eating so no one gets all of one thing. Then I give the yogurt (or for squirrels the nuts or whatever treat you give) in the afternoon and again make sure everyone gets their chance. With the squirrels, I usually just scatter the nuts in the afternoon because they are already up and with them spread out one squirrel can't guard the whole stack.

Sorry, that was long. Depending on the number of squirrels and your feeding plan, I am just wondering if you could be running into a situation from them not eating what they should. How long have you had them? How many are housed together? How do you feed them (in a bowl, scattered, all at once, 2-3 times a day, that kind of thing)?

BUT THREE all at once???

We discussed aflatoxins...maybe on the branches? Our weather has been very strange here...bone chilling cold and then mid fifties

[iheartnikon]

No she doesn't
I do but am 2 hours away with kids.

We talked about this already. I put in a call to Willowbrook...no reply yet

Does she just not have the sterile saline or no needles either?
Oh this is horrible. ; ;

[mugzeezma]

Does she just not have the sterile saline or no needles either?
Oh this is horrible. ; ;

Neither...at this point I don't know what can be done.

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

BUT THREE all at once???

We discussed aflatoxins...maybe on the branches? Our weather has been very strange here...bone chilling cold and then mid fifties

We have had the same whether here and I have 4 squirrels out in my outside cage all doing fantastic! 2 greys and 2 foxers.

Are there just 3 in the cage? Or are there 6 or 7 or more? If ALL are sick, that would be suspicious, but if 3 out of 6 or more are sick, it could be diet related if they are picking through their food and these 3 are probably the ones that are up first or are friendliest and get all the grapes, apples, and nuts. Then the others get up and eat the brocolli, sweet potato, rodent block, or whatever the other healthier but not as yummy foods are. I am not saying this is for sure what's happening, just bringing it up as a possibility that I wouldn't have considered before I heard about it at the conference.

I really really don't think it has anything to do with the apple branches.

The avocado peels could possibly cause issues, but I haven't ever seen a squirrel eat them. Of course we have mostly foxers here and these are greys, right? Maybe greys will eat the peels. I don't know?

I am just trying to bring up other possibilities in case it isn't poisoning.

[Nancy in New York]

OMG this is just terrible.....Oh little Olive....I am so very sad this is happening to you....:shakehead

[Tickle's Mom]

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Hi all. My little Olive just died.
Once again. Too far for the subQ - can't be away that long. I've had these squirrels for years. It has to be either apple branches or the Avocado skins, nothing else.

2 seperate cages have been hit. 3 squirrels maybe 4. Micheal is looking ill now, but not barfing.
Ginger is solo in Ferret Nation cage. Healthy as a horse until yesterday. Barfed all night by the looks of the cage. Frothy little piles.

Cage #2:
Bear I've had for 2 1/2 years. And is fed IN his house since he is slow and has just bottom teeth. He's shared a cage his entire time here.
Olive is my handicap (was parylized and recovered with much vet care) girl. She was fed on top of her home. I've had her since summer
The juvie Foxxies kids (Katie & Micheal) are rowdy and eat on the floor of the cage.
All get huge salad in the AM along with rodent block. 1 HHR and 3-4 Mazuri. When that is gone they each get a piece of fruit and a nut or 2 in the afternoon.

I watch when feeding as to be sure all is fair. And if there is a shortage due to pigginess - I put food IN their nest boxes. Each has their own.
So I'm sure it was Avo or branches. It couldn't come on this fast. Nothing else has changed - at all. I am just sick. I have such a great success rate and have had critters forever. This just isn't right.

[Tickle's Mom]

My heart just aches for you and the tears won't stop. You and all your kids are in my prayers.:grouphug I am so sorry.

[Fireweed]

olive is dying.in my hands now. fell out of nest box
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
I'm so sorry this is happening! :(

[Nancy in New York]

Hi all. My little Olive just died.
Once again. Too far for the subQ - can't be away that long. I've had these squirrels for years. It has to be either apple branches or the Avocado skins, nothing else.

2 seperate cages have been hit. 3 squirrels maybe 4. Micheal is looking ill now, but not barfing.
Ginger is solo in Ferret Nation cage. Healthy as a horse until yesterday. Barfed all night by the looks of the cage. Frothy little piles.

Cage #2:
Bear I've had for 2 1/2 years. And is fed IN his house since he is slow and has just bottom teeth. He's shared a cage his entire time here.
Olive is my handicap (was parylized and recovered with much vet care) girl. She was fed on top of her home. I've had her since summer
The juvie Foxxies kids (Katie & Micheal) are rowdy and eat on the floor of the cage.
All get huge salad in the AM along with rodent block. 1 HHR and 3-4 Mazuri. When that is gone they each get a piece of fruit and a nut or 2 in the afternoon.

I watch when feeding as to be sure all is fair. And if there is a shortage due to pigginess - I put food IN their nest boxes. Each has their own.
So I'm sure it was Avo or branches. It couldn't come on this fast. Nothing else has changed - at all. I am just sick. I have such a great success rate and have had critters forever. This just isn't right.


My heart is breaking for you.....just breaking. I am so very sorry...:shakehead :Love_Icon I was just looking at her pictures too with her little leopard bed...I'm sorry.
RIP
Little Olive :Love_Icon

[crazysquirrels]

You need to Sub Q the res. ASAP! I had to drive 2 hours each way to do this for Jackie. I did it so fast without thinking. Wife was mad as hell at but Jackie lived. All worth it. Get the item you need for it. If Mugzi has them you two need to get on it quick. I am sorry for your olive.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

PS. Ya know with these squirrrelies living inside here all happy - I wouldn't have to worry about having emergency stuff here. They have all just lived each day happily. Day in and day out - boring ol life..... no drama. This just does not make sense! Feed in the AM. Day in day out. Treats at dinner time. Day in day out. Clean the cages tip to tail every Saturday. They are all in my office loft. Week after week. I dunno.......
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[naturelady1]

Having nothing to add but my prayers....I'm heartsick for what you are going through ...:grouphug

[iheartnikon]

Oh I am so sorry for you a your little Ginger. This is such a devastating thing for you and your babies to go through. ; ;
Don't pharmacies carry insulin needles? You might be able to send your husband to pick some up and they might carry saline, as well. If you can't get your hands on sterile saline you can take bottled water (distilled is best) and put 9grams of salt per liter of water. Are they still throwing up?

[pappy1264]

I'm so very sorry to hear Olive didn't make it. Just putting this out there, do you have a carbon monoxide detector? I have heard of small animals passing from levels that did not bother humans. I know it can cause severe nausea and vomiting. What kind of heat do you have?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Update: My squirrel vet is back at her home from holiday . We re organizing subQ. She is 2.5 hour R/T but I'm getting set to take off. I take back avocado poisoning per vet (I misunderstood her) she is also thinking carbon minoxide - her husband is HVAC guy.

[crazysquirrels]

Be safe and drive carefully. Good luck.

[iheartnikon]

Oh I am so sorry for you a your little Ginger. This is such a devastating thing for you and your babies to go through. ; ;
Don't pharmacies carry insulin needles? You might be able to send your husband to pick some up and they might carry saline, as well. If you can't get your hands on sterile saline you can take bottled water (distilled is best) and put 9grams of salt per liter of water. Are they still throwing up?

Oh I am so sorry. God I'm stupid. I've got Ginger stuck in my head cuz you sent that video. I was paying attention and I'm so sorry for Olive's passing, I just mess up so easily when I'm typing fast.

[mpetys]

I am so glad help is within reach now. Prayers being offered for full recovery of all others. Rest in peace sweet Olive.

Michele

[stosh2010]

Poor, Sweet, OLIVE...you were loved sooooo much...Run free ,little one.
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Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )

[pappy1264]

Drive safely. I know this doesn't make things better, but if this is from carbon monoxide, she may have saved everyone's life. It will build over time and is very dangerous. Please keep us posted.

[island rehabber]

I was out this afternoon and missed this whole thread. Not that I would have had anything brilliant to say that wasn't already suggested.....just know I'm hoping and praying for 2ndHand's other babies to be ok.....:(

[mugzeezma]

I was out this afternoon and missed this whole thread. Not that I would have had anything brilliant to say that wasn't already suggested.....just know I'm hoping and praying for 2ndHand's other babies to be ok.....:(
IF it's CO poisoning they should all get out of there

called... no reply...I'm worried

she's a sharp woman ... I think they are out or busy but still

[mugzeezma]

Just got a text...

I was getting ready to call the police and have them check them out

windows open
CO detector is on the way
she is at the vet

couldn't receive my call because of no signal

whew

[pappy1264]

I would think since her vet is thinking CO poisoning, he would have told her to take them all (the squirrels) out, to be safe (and hubby is gone ice fishing). Def. a dangerous thing. Had a friend loose 5 of her 7 gliders this way. Very sad, but their passing saved everyone else in that house's life.

[Scooterzmom]

My heart aches for the loss of your sweet Olive. So very sad :sad

I know it sounds callous to say but, in a way I do hope it was CO poisoning... It wouold mean that the little one may have saved everyone else's life, including her human friends. Also, if that's what caused her demise and the illnesses, then it can be remedied rather quickly - as far as the house itself goes I mean. If it's not CO poisoning then it complicates matters in trying to search for the cause.

I'm offering prayers for you sweet Olive and for all who are involved. :grouphug

[SquirrelNut]

another heartbreaking thread on the SB!

rest in peace, sweet olive!

i am so very sorry for all of the pain you are going through today!

my thoughts and prayers are certainly w/you!:grouphug

[crazysquirrels]

CO makes you irratable as a human. Maybe why her husband was getting annoyed. I hope they are all OK.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

OK. CO detectors in and up. Nothing..... but the windows are open. That is the only thing that would make sense. My office is in a loft with the squirrels. Consulted with my squirrel vet - CO is all she could think of. She thought it was the only thing common. Avocado skin would take a lot to be toxic. Apple branches - safe. Oh guys what next (glass of wine) thanks for all your prayers its so nice not to be alone with this. (and also have friends that know how much squirrels mean to us)
All have had 15cc subQ. (Ick) Ginger, Bear & Micheal still very sick. KatieByrd normal. Windows open - pray - its in the creators hands and I hope they will stay with me - Ginger is my teaching squirrel and is so good with the kids she loves little kids and is the good will ambasador for squirrels. She actually come running to company and jumps on them to visit - she is one awesome girl. :Love_Icon

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

CO makes you irratable as a human. Maybe why her husband was getting annoyed. I hope they are all OK.

LOL that makes me laugh - thank you - much needed.

[mugzeezma]

OK. CO detectors in and up. Nothing..... but the windows are open. That is the only thing that would make sense. My office is in a loft with the squirrels. Consulted with my squirrel vet - CO is all she could think of. She thought it was the only thing common. Avocado skin would take a lot to be toxic. Apple branches - safe. Oh guys what next (glass of wine) thanks for all your prayers its so nice not to be alone with this. (and also have friends that know how much squirrels mean to us)
All have had 15cc subQ. (Ick) Ginger, Bear & Micheal still very sick. KatieByrd normal. Windows open - pray - its in the creators hands and I hope they will stay with me - Ginger is my teaching squirrel and is so good with the kids she loves little kids and is the good will ambasador for squirrels. She actually come running to company and jumps on them to visit - she is one awesome girl. :Love_Icon

SOOOO I don't have to call the cops after all good!

If the windows were open the CO build up may have dissipated...I would sleep with a window open in each bedroom until you get an HVAC guy out.

Did the vet medicate the critters for anything or just subQ?

[Nancy in New York]

What a day! How are the foxers doing?

[iheartnikon]

OK. CO detectors in and up. Nothing..... but the windows are open. That is the only thing that would make sense. My office is in a loft with the squirrels. Consulted with my squirrel vet - CO is all she could think of. She thought it was the only thing common. Avocado skin would take a lot to be toxic. Apple branches - safe. Oh guys what next (glass of wine) thanks for all your prayers its so nice not to be alone with this. (and also have friends that know how much squirrels mean to us)
All have had 15cc subQ. (Ick) Ginger, Bear & Micheal still very sick. KatieByrd normal. Windows open - pray - its in the creators hands and I hope they will stay with me - Ginger is my teaching squirrel and is so good with the kids she loves little kids and is the good will ambasador for squirrels. She actually come running to company and jumps on them to visit - she is one awesome girl. :Love_Icon

Our thoughts are with you and I hope you figure out what made them so sick. :shakehead

[pappy1264]

Just to be safe, no lighting matches, etc. Might be worth a call to the fire dept, as their equipment will detect lower levels. Keep pushing those fluids, as CO can compromise the kidneys, which might explain why they were so thirsty (the ones strong enough to drink). Prayers continue.

[lilidukes]

I've been following along and with the greatest sadness I say so long for now Olive run free little one.:grouphug :grouphug

Nancy my heart aches for you:grouphug :grouphug

Prayers for all at 2nd Hand Ranch

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Hi all. My little Olive just died.
Once again. Too far for the subQ - can't be away that long. I've had these squirrels for years. It has to be either apple branches or the Avocado skins, nothing else.

2 seperate cages have been hit. 3 squirrels maybe 4. Micheal is looking ill now, but not barfing.
Ginger is solo in Ferret Nation cage. Healthy as a horse until yesterday. Barfed all night by the looks of the cage. Frothy little piles.

Cage #2:
Bear I've had for 2 1/2 years. And is fed IN his house since he is slow and has just bottom teeth. He's shared a cage his entire time here.
Olive is my handicap (was parylized and recovered with much vet care) girl. She was fed on top of her home. I've had her since summer
The juvie Foxxies kids (Katie & Micheal) are rowdy and eat on the floor of the cage.
All get huge salad in the AM along with rodent block. 1 HHR and 3-4 Mazuri. When that is gone they each get a piece of fruit and a nut or 2 in the afternoon.

I watch when feeding as to be sure all is fair. And if there is a shortage due to pigginess - I put food IN their nest boxes. Each has their own.
So I'm sure it was Avo or branches. It couldn't come on this fast. Nothing else has changed - at all. I am just sick. I have such a great success rate and have had critters forever. This just isn't right.

Awesome feeding plan :thumbsup. So, obviously not that. Didn't realize they were in separate cages either, I thought everyone was together and I thought they were outside :sanp3.

I'd almost be hoping it was CO if I were you so you could know for sure what's going on and get everyone healthy again. Did they improve when they were out of the house going to the vets? I think CO symptoms rapidly improve after you get out (not sure though :thinking), so I'd think they would show signs of improvement when they were out of the house.

Definetely keep the windows OPEN even if it is FREEZING! Better to be cold than dead! Then tomorrow, I'd get everyone out and close up the windows and see if the CO detector goes off after the house is closed up for a while. If it doesn't and the vet really thinks that was the issue, call the fire department and see if they'll come out and see if there are lower levels of CO in the house.

Did you get a headache at all today or feel sleepy? I think those are the main symptoms of CO poisoning.

[Gina]

:grouphug My prayers are with you and your beautiful family of squirrels:grouphug


RIP Olive

[pappy1264]

Yes, headaches are actually usually (in humans) the first 'symptom'). Sad thing is, many times people will lie down because they have a headache, then not wake up. Where you opened the windows before getting the detechers up, I would still be very careful. I agree with you, about getting them out and closing the house up to see if the levels show up on the monitors (hard wired ones usually pick up lower levels better then the battery type.)

[Lulu2010]

RIP Olive. :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug
So sorry for what you are going through. I wish I had some advice to offer, but I don't. I'm praying for you and the squirrels. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[djarenspace9]

:shakehead My heart aches for your loss of Olivia...

I hope everyone else pulls through, and that you resolve whatever the problem is so you and your babies can be safe.

:grouphug

[Pierre]

OK. CO detectors in and up. Nothing..... but the windows are open. That is the only thing that would make sense. My office is in a loft with the squirrels. Consulted with my squirrel vet - CO is all she could think of. She thought it was the only thing common. Avocado skin would take a lot to be toxic. Apple branches - safe. Oh guys what next (glass of wine) thanks for all your prayers its so nice not to be alone with this. (and also have friends that know how much squirrels mean to us)
All have had 15cc subQ. (Ick) Ginger, Bear & Micheal still very sick. KatieByrd normal. Windows open - pray - its in the creators hands and I hope they will stay with me - Ginger is my teaching squirrel and is so good with the kids she loves little kids and is the good will ambasador for squirrels. She actually come running to company and jumps on them to visit - she is one awesome girl. :Love_Icon

2HRR,
I have been following this thread and I wanted to tell you how very sorry I am you have been going through all this today. I am sure you are exhausted and heartbroken. :shakehead

I am hoping and praying that all your babies will get past this and be just fine.
:grouphug
You're an angel saving so many lives...

[asweetdiversion]

Oh honey I am so sorry for your little one and for your sad heart.

OMG, I have fed my four big boys out in the magnolia tree skinned avocados several times, even when they were toddler-squirrels... because my rehabber here said they LOVED them. I am going to take this posting as a lesson learned and not keep avacados around if they are running around the house and not feed baby squirrels anything like that. :Love_Icon Thanks for sharing all this knowledge and again I am soo sorry. Hugs and Kisses Teresa

[RockyRocko]

OMG.... I'm so sorry for you. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

I am so tired and my heart hurts. The remaining are still ill - 3 of the 4 more so. Windows are open. I keep reading this nice Prayer from Chris' squirrels and more. I thank Susan Saliga for writing what I'm thinking tonight. Thanks TSB - you have been more then great and more then I could have expected from the internet world. Now tomorrow is my rescue dog's emergency surgery too - not sure if she'll put through so sick too. Lets hope the goats and horses and the remaining doggies stay well. Avacados? Apple trees? New nuts from Walmart? CO gas? I am exhausted.
Thanks again all.
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[mugzeezma]

I am so tired and my heart hurts. The remaining are still ill - 3 of the 4 more so. Windows are open. I keep reading this nice Prayer from Chris' squirrels and more. I thank Susan Saliga for writing what I'm thinking tonight. Thanks TSB - you have been more then great and more then I could have expected from the internet world. Now tomorrow is my rescue dog's emergency surgery too - not sure if she'll put through so sick too. Lets hope the goats and horses and the remaining doggies stay well. Avacados? Apple trees? New nuts from Walmart? CO gas? I am exhausted.
Thanks again all.
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may there be peace

[Nancy in New York]

I am so tired and my heart hurts. The remaining are still ill - 3 of the 4 more so. Windows are open. I keep reading this nice Prayer from Chris' squirrels and more. I thank Susan Saliga for writing what I'm thinking tonight. Thanks TSB - you have been more then great and more then I could have expected from the internet world. Now tomorrow is my rescue dog's emergency surgery too - not sure if she'll put through so sick too. Lets hope the goats and horses and the remaining doggies stay well. Avacados? Apple trees? New nuts from Walmart? CO gas? I am exhausted.
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[Scooterzmom]

I feel so awful for you. My prayers are with you in this time of need.

Just a stupid question maybe but...:dono the apple tree branches, are they from outside or the bits you buy at a store? Could they, by chance, have been sprayed with something, or have had mold on them?

The nuts from Walmart, is there a way your vet could have some of them tested/checked in a lab?

I'm just throwing ideas here, I don't know what to say or do to help you, except pray... and I do a lot of it. We're all with you, in mind and soul even though we may be powerless. :(

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

hi guys. 6AM - all are still alive. Sub Q after a cup of coffee and locating glasses. Yea, I've just been awake all night thinking and thinking. I am calling HVAC guy - I refuse to close my windows and I have had a headache??? dunno. Ok, 1 other feeding item I forgot about. I had Mealworms left over from husband Icefishing on Saturday - these are safe I know - but I never fed before. I think at this point I'm just reaching. Will keep you posted. Very sick car strike dog on the way to the vet now with emergency spay and spine damage - I'm going to owe my vet big time - but we gotta care for our critters. thanks TSB friends.

[pappy1264]

Lord, you have a lot on your plate! Prayers going out to you. And I agree, get the HVAC guy in.......good luck today! Glad everyone is still with you this morning.

[Tickle's Mom]

You are still in our thoughts and prayers.

Like others, throwing this out there....did your company also have headaches and/or did they come in any contact with your babies?

:grouphug

[mpetys]

hi guys. 6AM - all are still alive. Sub Q after a cup of coffee and locating glasses. Yea, I've just been awake all night thinking and thinking. I am calling HVAC guy - I refuse to close my windows and I have had a headache??? dunno. Ok, 1 other feeding item I forgot about. I had Mealworms left over from husband Icefishing on Saturday - these are safe I know - but I never fed before. I think at this point I'm just reaching. Will keep you posted. Very sick car strike dog on the way to the vet now with emergency spay and spine damage - I'm going to owe my vet big time - but we gotta care for our critters. thanks TSB friends.

Have you tried calling the fire dept. and asking if they come out. Years ago, a friend and I were staying at someone else's place while they were on vacation. Woke up in the morning to headaches and dizziness. Just wanted to go back to sleep. Knew something was wrong and got out. Called fire department and they did complete check and found something wrong with heater I believe.

Michele

[stosh2010]

Can you put the CO ( carbon monoxide) detector in a closet ? maybe the vapors--{if it is CO }--still remained inside a closed space and the device will react??Praying alot...

[crazysquirrels]

Glad all are alive. The headach may be CO or just stress. But have the CO checked.

[mugzeezma]

hi guys. 6AM - all are still alive. Sub Q after a cup of coffee and locating glasses. Yea, I've just been awake all night thinking and thinking. I am calling HVAC guy - I refuse to close my windows and I have had a headache??? dunno. Ok, 1 other feeding item I forgot about. I had Mealworms left over from husband Icefishing on Saturday - these are safe I know - but I never fed before. I think at this point I'm just reaching. Will keep you posted. Very sick car strike dog on the way to the vet now with emergency spay and spine damage - I'm going to owe my vet big time - but we gotta care for our critters. thanks TSB friends.

Hope all turn out well for the AK travlin' hound...

You're HVAC guy will be able to detect any CO leaks Let me know if you need any help...I will do the traveling, Okay?

[Nancy in New York]

I am so tired and my heart hurts. The remaining are still ill - 3 of the 4 more so. Windows are open. I keep reading this nice Prayer from Chris' squirrels and more. I thank Susan Saliga for writing what I'm thinking tonight. Thanks TSB - you have been more then great and more then I could have expected from the internet world. Now tomorrow is my rescue dog's emergency surgery too - not sure if she'll put through so sick too. Lets hope the goats and horses and the remaining doggies stay well. Avacados? Apple trees? New nuts from Walmart? CO gas? I am exhausted.
Thanks again all.
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Does anybody else think this is the culprit? I would not feed anymore of these nuts to your squirrel. Alfatoxins?

[mugzeezma]

Does anybody else think this is the culprit? I would not feed anymore of these nuts to your squirrel. Alfatoxins?

Yes

I we were doing rapid fire texting and that territory was crossed.

The nuts were tossed

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

UPDATE: Noon - still alive but no improvement. Called HVAC folks. Said if alarm wasn't going off they don't check. He said to put meter ON the vent - if still nothing - then its nothing. (it didn't do anything) So....next???? - oh my head hurts from stress. 3 of 4 all very sick. SubQ fluids 2 times a day. 15-20CC. Baytril twice a day too. 1 squirrel (KatieByrd) is 100% the others are fading. I'm still leaving the windows open and the cages are at the window. Bear, Ginger & Micheal are not eating still. Well - that's where I'm at. Heavy heart. This makes no sense. Tossed avocados. Tossed all my shelled nuts. Cleaned cages with plain water. Changed bedding to fleece with no soap. Served salad - Ginger had a few bites. Bear is sleeping - lathargic. Micheal is hiding. Katie ate like a champ. Gave human grade shelled pecan. Same - Ginger nibbled. Bear slept. Micheal hid. Katie ate.
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[SquirrelNut]

so thankful the others are alive!

fingers crossed for your dog in surgery!

better be safe than sorry and have your placed checked!

did you husband catch any fish yesterday????:jump just kidding!

i hope this week is much better for ALL of you!!!

many hugs,

dana and nos

[Nancy in New York]

I know this is grasping....but I just keep thinking. You clean cages on Saturday.....any new litter being used?

So sorry that you have to bury your little friend....:shakehead

[mugzeezma]

UPDATE: Noon - still alive but no improvement. Called HVAC folks. Said if alarm wasn't going off they don't check. He said to put meter ON the vent - if still nothing - then its nothing. (it didn't do anything) So....next???? - oh my head hurts from stress. 3 of 4 all very sick. SubQ fluids 2 times a day. 15-20CC. Baytril twice a day too. 1 squirrel (KatieByrd) is 100% the others are fading. I'm still leaving the windows open and the cages are at the window. Bear, Ginger & Micheal are not eating still. Well - that's where I'm at. Heavy heart. This makes no sense. Tossed avocados. Tossed all my shelled nuts. Cleaned cages with plain water. Changed bedding to fleece with no soap. Served salad - Ginger had a few bites. Bear is sleeping - lathargic. Micheal is hiding. Katie ate like a champ. Gave human grade shelled pecan. Same - Ginger nibbled. Bear slept. Micheal hid. Katie ate.
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Now to go bury Olive in the frozen ground.......

Prayers for you and yours

Nuts or CO
CO or nuts

CO poisoning treatment is O2...oxygen tank anyone? I know you think I'm a crank for texting that but how do you get a squirrel into a hyperbaric chamber?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

I know this is grasping....but I just keep thinking. You clean cages on Saturday.....any new litter being used?

So sorry that you have to bury your little friend....:shakehead

I know I'm grasping too. Nope. I don't use bedding. Just fleece pieces as usual. I've had 'House Squirrels' for 5 years now - same location, same feeding, same water, same everything. Stopped by my vets this AM with Josie dog and both could not figure this out. We were going over everything. Where I had been, etc etc.
Avocado skin - they never ever eat but this time they did - the Avocados were greener and the skin didn't peel. Hubby thought (as would I) that they would NOT eat it. They leave tangerine skins, grape skins...... The Apple tree is the same and NO chemicals. Maybe the Aldi avocados have some chemical ON the skin. Oh gosh - I've never ever had this. I am a freak with animal care. All critters logged into computer, all have a database tracking, wash my hands, my house is spotless (well ok about an hour after I hoover there IS dog hair) cages spotless.

Attached are my office photos so you guys can get the 'lay of the land' here.
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[Nancy in New York]

I have been to your website....beautiful place and exceptionally clean looking. I have no doubt that this too is a mystery to you. Did you wash the avocado? Just thinking since you usually remove the skin, you wouldn't wash it....but with hubby just feeding it, could that be contaminated? Do you know if they did ingest the skin? Any dried up avocado skin in the cages?


edit....Oh I just reread....so you KNOW that they did eat the skin?
So this is a loft where the air rises to...Hmmmmmm

[mugzeezma]

Nancy
NO MORE NUTS!!!

Aflatoxins that can kill a squirrel will not have an effect on a much larger human.
It doesn't matter if they are human grade
It's how they were stored in shipping
They are compromised now

ditch the nuts

offer ensure plus if they need nutrition...they will love you.

[naturelady1]

So mystifying and unsettling.... Still sending prayers your way for the healing of your kiddos.

Just to be safe, I am throwing out the bulk nuts I told you I bought at Walmart on Sunday. My outside girl doesn't show any ill effects, but I don't know what she ate, and what she buried, or even if its an issue. I'll not take the chance. Boo-boo didn't get any..

:grouphug

[JLM27]

They all got sick. Did they all eat avocado? Did you find any peels left on the floor or in the cage?
Does your CO detector find any CO? Sometimes if your house is TOO tight, it can cause problems with proper ventilation

I am so sorry about little Olive. How horrible for all of you. Poor baby. She's going to be your little angel now. These little ones are sometimes so sensitive.

Best of luck with the surgery.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Nancy
NO MORE NUTS!!!

Aflatoxins that can kill a squirrel will not have an effect on a much larger human.
It doesn't matter if they are human grade
It's how they were stored in shipping
They are compromised now

ditch the nuts

offer ensure plus if they need nutrition...they will love you.

I did toss the shelled nuts. I just offered my pecan from my pumpkin pancakes I made this morning to see if they would show interest as that is their favorite. It was a piece the size of an eraser. They usually kill for their pecans.

I have a salad out for them. Mazuri (they hate) and h2o. I'm going with some Nutrical next.

This is a very weird event. As you see by photos - separate cages - everything weird and scary! My vet and I went through every location - even if I had been to Animal Control (I help there with being an Investigator) Local Shelter (nope) sickly humans - nope. My company is healthy.
this is overwhelming......

[Runestonez]

Boy does this sound familiar?! :(

Apple branches are safe as long as they haven't been sprayed.
We feed them year round to our bunns and squirrels.
As long as they are cut branches...you do NOT want to feed fallen branches...ever. Bad idea.

I can't remember when this thread started...have anyone suggested sugar water to help perk them up a bit if they have been vomiting and are punky?
It might help their blood sugar a bit.

When Webby and Clivey got sick (vomiting, etc) I was stuffing them with fliuds. Every hour I was shoving fluids in. Sub-Q's are great...as long as the squirrel in question is punky enough it won't fight back.

I still suspect aflatoxins making our boys sick...4 squirrels in one cage and two got sick. We lost Clivey right off within 12 hours of his vomiting. Webby is the biggest squirrel...he was really sick, vomiting, seizures etc...but he hung on for us.

Fingers crossed your guys pull through this!:grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

They all got sick. Did they all eat avocado? Did you find any peels left on the floor or in the cage?
Does your CO detector find any CO? Sometimes if your house is TOO tight, it can cause problems with proper ventilation

I am so sorry about little Olive. How horrible for all of you. Poor baby. She's going to be your little angel now. These little ones are sometimes so sensitive.

Best of luck with the surgery.

Avocado: no peel left? Odd - not 1 peel left and its a very tidy tidy cage.
No CO. But I'm leaving window open.
Olive was so sweet.
Surgery on my AK Josie - went well. Her uterus was a mess. Took both vets on her - fell apart in pieces (and she's a young dog) massive infection and many many litters. Hole in her side (pellet gun???) had infection INSIDE. Then she is heartworm positive. Her jumping in front on my car when I was visiting friends is the best thing that ever happened to that doggy! She returns home tomorrow - pretty 'ruff' shape right now.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Boy does this sound familiar?! :(

Apple branches are safe as long as they haven't been sprayed.
We feed them year round to our bunns and squirrels.
As long as they are cut branches...you do NOT want to feed fallen branches...ever. Bad idea.

I can't remember when this thread started...have anyone suggested sugar water to help perk them up a bit if they have been vomiting and are punky?
It might help their blood sugar a bit.

When Webby and Clivey got sick (vomiting, etc) I was stuffing them with fliuds. Every hour I was shoving fluids in. Sub-Q's are great...as long as the squirrel in question is punky enough it won't fight back.

I still suspect aflatoxins making our boys sick...4 squirrels in one cage and two got sick. We lost Clivey right off within 12 hours of his vomiting. Webby is the biggest squirrel...he was really sick, vomiting, seizures etc...but he hung on for us.

Fingers crossed your guys pull through this!:grouphug

Yes I'm thinking too - Mugze texted me that too - that makes sense.
It is the only thing that makes sense. Apple branches are pruned from trees (I prune every few days some branches from safe trees) I am a chemical free location - my horses make compost and I never use any chemicals at all! I am a Plant and Pesticide Specialist I for Ill Dept of Ag - and those chemicals scare me!!!

Sub Q - well the squirrels are angry but stay still with a bit of a struggle. My niece is a nurses aid (she's my company from Minn) and is a great assistant. I'm going to try some Nutrical next.

[JLM27]

Have they had pedialyte? Electrolytes go fast with a lot of vomiting.

[Pierre]

Yes I'm thinking too - Mugze texted me that too - that makes sense.
It is the only thing that makes sense. Apple branches are pruned from trees (I prune every few days some branches from safe trees) I am a chemical free location - my horses make compost and I never use any chemicals at all! I am a Plant and Pesticide Specialist I for Ill Dept of Ag - and those chemicals scare me!!!

Sub Q - well the squirrels are angry but stay still with a bit of a struggle. My niece is a nurses aid (she's my company from Minn) and is a great assistant. I'm going to try some Nutrical next.

Crazy thought--- any chance any one of your guests could have given them anything [a well meaning "treat" or drink]?... Or had any chemicals [airborne] or anything with them?

[Pierre]

CO poisoning treatment is O2...oxygen tank anyone? I know you think I'm a crank for texting that but how do you get a squirrel into a hyperbaric chamber?

I realize this doesn't seem to be CO poisoning, but just an FYI:

It is easy to get O2 for one of these guys [yes, I've had to do this for some foster rats!]. You need an Rx from a vet, but any of the respiratory suppliers of O2 for people with lung disease will rent you a tiny tank of O2.

You then place the hose to ladle the O2 into their cage. You need to cover a wire cage or use another solid walled cage but make sure fresh air [supplemented with the O2] is flowing in the cage [not just the O2!] so no solid lid.

[CritterMom]

I know this is just screamingly obvious, but since you have windows open and live in Illinois, you DO have some supplemental heat for the patients, don't you? A heating pad or something? It goes a long way toward helping them get better.

The Ensure is great stuff, BTW - sweet and yummy so they tend to like it, and just stuffed with calories and nutrients.

[mugzeezma]

Avocado: no peel left? Odd - not 1 peel left and its a very tidy tidy cage.
No CO. But I'm leaving window open.
Olive was so sweet.
Surgery on my AK Josie - went well. Her uterus was a mess. Took both vets on her - fell apart in pieces (and she's a young dog) massive infection and many many litters. Hole in her side (pellet gun???) had infection INSIDE. Then she is heartworm positive. Her jumping in front on my car when I was visiting friends is the best thing that ever happened to that doggy! She returns home tomorrow - pretty 'ruff' shape right now.

Suicide has never been so sweet...OMG!!:rotfl

I''m so happy to hear that's off your chest and that AKJosie is back on track with the living

[JLM27]

I had a thought when you wrote that the avocados were green and the skin didn't peel off easily. You know there are two kinds of avocados. The Hass avocado's skin comes off easily and it is usually brownish green. Maybe these were the other kind, and maybe that kind has more toxin in it.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

UPDATE TSB: Ginger just came out of house and barfed. Only thing she has eaten is a few apple bites at 9am and baytril. She is helping herself to long drink of H2o. Not this again.....

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Crazy thought--- any chance any one of your guests could have given them anything [a well meaning "treat" or drink]?... Or had any chemicals [airborne] or anything with them?
Nope she's 20 and an animal nut! Volunteers at local hospital and humane society - she washes her hands more than me LOL

[CritterMom]

UPDATE TSB: Ginger just came out of house and barfed. Only thing she has eaten is a few apple bites at 9am and baytril. She is helping herself to long drink of H2o. Not this again.....


Lord. All you can do is keep them warm and hydrated. I might even hold off on solids for a bit - if they are hydrated they will be okay without the food for a bit and the vomiting has to be wearing on them. Poor babies.

[Kat762]

First 2Hand, I am so sorry for the loss of your Olive :sad

And no time to grieve with the other lives in danger, sending you prayers for strength for you and prayers for your babies to heal.:grouphug

I would highly recommend offering them all watermelon,they usually love it, it is a great hydrator, and also flushes the kidneys.

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[Fireweed]

I don't even know what to say. This is so awful and so sad.
You must be exhausted in more ways than one. :/
Hoping for a full recovery for the others...
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Rest in peace, Olive.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

UPDATE: 7pm. All are alive, 3 of 4 not good. 3 of 4 not eating. Ginger is lathargic still. Did 15cc subQ on 3 of 4. Ginger needs more fluids. Will do oral. Keep those prayers coming.
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[island rehabber]

You'd better believe that prayers are coming to you, and your squirrel babies. :grouphug Is it possible this is some type of virus? Seems as if they would have perked up by now, once the Co2 thing was remedied.....:thinking

[Runestonez]

Keep pushing those fluids!:thumbsup
If it's aflatoxin...fluids are all you can do for them!

Fingers crossed for you and your squirrel kids!
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[Ardilla]

I'm so sorry you lost Olive. I hope the other 3 pull through, and that you can get a clear answer on what happened so that you can prevent it from happening again.

[stosh2010]

Where do you find time to even BREATHE ? Please know your have the prayers and love of the entire TSB family.
I am wishing you a good night's sleep ( as impossible as that seems) Wish I could do more...but I'm still praying.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )

[crazysquirrels]

Come on 4 of you little one. Make it through. :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

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[Scooterzmom]

Just throwing ideas again... :poke

Any construction of any kind, renovations in the house recently? Work or cutting melamine or such? Replacing insulation... any kind of renovations I mean. Even some materials' DUST can be toxic - melamine for example.

I'm so sorry for your little Olive :sad and your babies. And for you. I'll keep praying.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Just throwing ideas again... :poke

Any construction of any kind, renovations in the house recently? Work or cutting melamine or such? Replacing insulation... any kind of renovations I mean. Even some materials' DUST can be toxic - melamine for example.

I'm so sorry for your little Olive :sad and your babies. And for you. I'll keep praying.

Nope - that's the pipper - nothing in my life has changed - at all. Well I did gain 3 pounds over the holidays - but that's it. Our house is 6 years old and nice and sound. I have asthma bad so I am usually the canary in the coal mine. We have no carpets, no dust, I am baffeled.
I'm looking for a squirrel doctor - but this isn't it .
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OK - last subQs for the night. I am having a glass of wine and ready to fight the good fight in the AM. Prayers to the Squirrel god tonight.

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[Fireweed]

:jump
omg... that Acorn Head cracked me up... it's going on my wall, for sure. You're awesome for being able to laugh (or at least *think* of laughing) at such a :poop-Y time as this.

Enjoy that glass of wine, you. We'll keep the prayers goin' strong... you just get a good rest for now. :grouphug

[crazysquirrels]

I really hope to wake up in the morning and all 4 are alive. Each day they make it the better.

[Scooterzmom]

It is so wonderful that you can manage to keep your sense of humor through all this. :tilt The acorn just tickled me pink :rolf
Me, I'd be a total basket case. :skwredup
I keep praying for the little guys and you. :grouphug

[pappy1264]

How is everyone this morning? I am so very sorry this is happening, I cannot imagine the pain you must be in, esp. not knowing. It really sounded like CO poisoning.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

UPDATE: 7:30am. All are alive. About the same, but they are alive. KatieByrd (Fox Juvie 100%) The other 3 no change. Time for subQ and a bit of Nutrical. Im still perplexed. If CO I would think all would be affected - 2 new dectectors on vent came up zero. (HVAC folks were just jerks, propane folks laughed when I said squirrel pets were dying saying it couldn't be the CO, and HVAC companies said if the alarm wasn't off they don't come out but if I insist its $100 and they'll be out Wed or Thurs. Our Fire dept is volunteer and don't do CO visits) Nuts are a posibility since the are bulk Walmart (who knows) Could all different types have Alfatoxins? They were mixed bulk in shell. The Apple branches? Nope - just realized Olive doesn't do branches with her shakiness. Avacado chemical on peel:a posibility. All love Avo - and there were NO peels like normal, but it was just a small piece in the bowl. I just can't wrap my head around this one.
OMG Good news!!! Micheal just got up and is licking his salt block and chewing on his mineral block. I better get breakfast too. Keep pray'n TSB. But I really need to figure out cause.......

PS Bear just got up!!!! He's out looking for breakfast!!!!

[Gina]

That acorn pic is my new desktop backround...

I have been praying for your babies and hope they pull through. This is a challenge none of us hope to ever have to deal with but here you are in this brand new year with the task of trying to keep these four alive while not even knowing for sure what you are dealing with. I don't know if Jackie in Tampa's banana milkshake recipe would be helpful or not:dono but it worked for Garth when I could get nothing else in him. Anyone on TSB think this would benefit?

[Nancy in New York]

UPDATE: 7:30am. All are alive. About the same, but they are alive. KatieByrd (Fox Juvie 100%) The other 3 no change. Time for subQ and a bit of Nutrical. Im still perplexed. If CO I would think all would be affected - 2 new dectectors on vent came up zero. (HVAC folks were just jerks, propane folks laughed when I said squirrel pets were dying saying it couldn't be the CO, and HVAC companies said if the alarm wasn't off they don't come out but if I insist its $100 and they'll be out Wed or Thurs. Our Fire dept is volunteer and don't do CO visits) Nuts are a posibility since the are bulk Walmart (who knows) Could all different types have Alfatoxins? They were mixed bulk in shell. The Apple branches? Nope - just realized Olive doesn't do branches with her shakiness. Avacado chemical on peel:a posibility. All love Avo - and there were NO peels like normal, but it was just a small piece in the bowl. I just can't wrap my head around this one.
OMG Good news!!! Micheal just got up and is licking his salt block and chewing on his mineral block. I better get breakfast too. Keep pray'n TSB. But I really need to figure out cause.......

PS Bear just got up!!!! He's out looking for breakfast!!!!


Wonderful update. :wahoo
I believe that all nuts can have Alfatoxins, if it's cracked or even has a tiny hole in it and moisture got in. If I'm not mistaken I thought I had read that peanuts are a big culprit, along with corn. Let me go try to find that just to make sure....:Love_Icon
Strange that they all would eat the avocado skin...You know how some dogs and cats will drink antifreeze because it's suppose to taste sweet? I wonder if there was something unusual on the skin?

Partial list....

Moldy Peanuts: Aflatoxins are by-products of common, naturally occurring mold growth on certain agricultural products such as peanuts, wheat, cereals and corn. Alfatoxins have been found to cause liver cancer in animal species. Check carefully for any sign of discoloration or mold.

Lettuce: Because it is grown so close to the ground, it can come into contact with manure or irrigation runoff. Holtzman recommends that when you buy lettuce that you first discard the outer leaves. Then separate the inner leaves and thoroughly wash. Holtzman warns that all raw fruits and vegetables can harbor disease-causing bacteria, She recommends before eating any raw produce, that it be thoroughly washed under running cold water. If appropriate, use a small scrub brush. This is true even for organic fruits and vegetables.

Water: Contaminated water can be a major source of trouble, especially for those drinking from private wells or streams.
Unpasteurized juices, milks or cheeses: Make sure you always purchase the pasteurized versions of your favorite products. Pasteurization kills bacteria. Unpasteurized products have been linked to salmonella, E. coli and listeria -- all can lead to death.

Raw sprouts: Alfalfa sprouts, clover sprouts and radish sprouts have all been associated with salmonella and E. coli. Cook sprouts thoroughly to kill off the bacteria.

Honey: Honey may contain bacterial spores that can cause infant botulism, a rare but serious disease that affects the nervous system of young babies.

Wild mushrooms: Some common species of mushrooms are capable of causing poisoning or even death.

[Tickle's Mom]

GREAT NEWS! :thumbsup Been getting some "bruised knees praying". Added all of you to prayer chain.... I've gotten responses all the way to Australia and Iceland. :wahoo

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

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[Jackie in Tampa]

I too am thankful for this update.

I have had a sq with aflatoxins...actually 4 ...two responded within days on SMZ-TMP, and were 100% within a week...
but two that originally had cocchidia very bad on intake, did not do as well. Frisco passed within the first week if I remember right.
Several vets {specialists} were called in to diagnose and recommend treatment protocol...it was very frightening. We fought for many months, a combo of enrofloxin and doxycycline was our final treatment...but we used several ABs, some coupled...for months!

Another case, a dearly loved pet, vomited numerous times after eating eggplant, she was lethargic for days...
we no longer feed imported chestnuts..
eggplant
or acorns from the ground...
and NO FRESH mulch in the HWH.

:grouphug sending hugs and good vibes:Love_Icon

[Tickle's Mom]

Just wondering if I missed this - did they do a necropsy on little Olive?

[CritterMom]

Peanuts (they grow in the ground; very moist), acorns (also very "wet" nuts), chestnuts (same) are all culprits. Any food that has moisture content can develop this, which is a mold. Depending on how the nuts were processed, how old they are, etc., you could run into this.

How is little Ginger? I would say to just keep pushing the liquids - maybe you can also offer some of the wet fruits like watermelon and grapes, and offer many SMALL meals of the nutrical; hopefully that won't shock the tummy and they can start taking in some nutrients instead of just vomiting everything up.

I would also keep pushing the supporting additional heat - I am a big believer in this with sick animals because it means the energy normally expended keeping them warm can be re-allocated to getting healthy.

I have been obsessively checking this thread...:thumbsup :grouphug

[stosh2010]

GREAT NEWS! :thumbsup Been getting some "bruised knees praying". Added all of you to prayer chain.... I've gotten responses all the way to Australia and Iceland. :wahoo
>>> add Costa Rica to the "chain"Great news about Michael & Bear...hoping for continued progress.
( photo is NOT Rama Rota--but relevant)

[Lady Squirrelly]

This is my first time posting in your thread, but I have been watching from the beginning.

I am so sorry for the loss of Sweet Olive. RIP little one.:grouphug

I am so glad that they are hanging in there and even showing some signs of improvement.


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[crazysquirrels]

Alright:wahoo Each day should be better at this point. Glad, Really glad. Keep up the great work.

[mugzeezma]

Nancy I hope there is some improvement to day.

Those pix are a riot!!! Is the squirrel statue from something online or is it near where you live?

You know Harvard has the legendary cow...they moved it out of the triangle because too many drunks were slamming into it...:shakehead

[Fireweed]

I'm so glad at least two of them are moving around and up for breakfast. :alright.gif Hoping all three will keep improving steadily... :grouphug

[naturelady1]

Healing energy and prayers continue to surround all of you. :Love_Icon

[JLM27]

Hi, did you see my post about relative toxicity of different kinds of avocados? Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Hi, did you see my post about relative toxicity of different kinds of avocados? Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

I find this interesting. As the Hass and the others have way different fat values. When I was in South Africa we lived on the smooth skinned huge Avos and here all I see are Hass. The one I have here were raised in Mexico and they have WAY different laws on food and meat production. Pesticides and Herbicides are way scary.

I google Avocados and Toxic and I had no idea it was bad for cats, dogs - all parts. Hmmm. But in the past we all know our squirrelies love them.

I'm thinking it was alphatoxins. I'm no expert - but I can see if they different Avos have different fat/nutritional values - why not toxicity. You can even see arguments on dog forums. Some love to give their dogs avos while others say toxic.

I wish I had a lab to look at my nuts. (that sounds funny, but I'm a girl so can laugh at that) but our lab is in Champaigne, IL (for grain exports) hmmm.
No Olive did not have a necropsy. Not possible around here. I just wanted to get her buried in her little casket. This is the 4 hole I had to dig this year. I'm tired of digging. My golden and my basenji along with 1 other squirrel died in 2010. Ok on to a better 2011.....

[mudmaiden]

Is your kitchen near the squirrels??? And if so did you use nonstick cookware anytime close to when this happened?? I lost a bird to nonstick cookware, actually 2 birds in same room, one was always up near ceiling on his ladder and the other stayed in his cage. The one on the ladder dropped right off his ladder, dead and the other although very sick survived. I am not sure what this stuff will do to squirrels....it was just a thought.

[CritterMom]

I bet you anything it is aflatoxin poisoning from the Walmart nuts. Certainly with a place like Walmart, those nuts may have been stored for quite some time, and to get to the individual stores, they probably get some damage during shipping and travelling; may be moved during the summer in blastingly hot trucks, etc, stored for long periods under who knows what kind of conditions - you can bet they don't keep them under refrigeration...

About all you can do for aflatoxin poisoning is what you are doing now, flush, flush, flush and provide agressive supportive care. FWIW, I store all of the nuts for P in the freezer, removing what he ges for the day the night before and putting them in the fridge (except for the acorns, which he LOVES frozen). Of course that requires that they be good to begin with - freezing a tainted nut won't do a darned thing...

How is Ginger?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Nope, not near kitchen. But I did have a cockatiel and yes it is so important. If teflon is bad for birds - it can't be good for us. I use cast iron.

Ginger is not good. She just hid her watermelon. 15cc fluid. Baytril. Nurtical. Hoping she doesn't barf.
Bear is better. Ate a bit and loved his Nutrical. 15cc fluid.
Micheal ate like a champ and won't let me near him AT ALL.

Ginger is my best buddy - so I just can't loose her.

[Pierre]

Nope, not near kitchen. But I did have a cockatiel and yes it is so important. If teflon is bad for birds - it can't be good for us. I use cast iron.

Ginger is not good. She just hid her watermelon. 15cc fluid. Baytril. Nurtical. Hoping she doesn't barf.
Bear is better. Ate a bit and loved his Nutrical. 15cc fluid.
Micheal ate like a champ and won't let me near him AT ALL.

Ginger is my best buddy - so I just can't loose her.


Sending hugs and prayers.....

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[CritterMom]

I know this sounds silly, and that she needs to sleep to get better, but spend lots of time with her, even if it is jut a hand on her as she is snoozing. It always surprises me how much comfort they take from this. If you have the time to let her spend some lap time, preferably on a heating pad, that would be good, too. Come on, Ginger...

[mugzeezma]

Nope, not near kitchen. But I did have a cockatiel and yes it is so important. If teflon is bad for birds - it can't be good for us. I use cast iron.

Ginger is not good. She just hid her watermelon. 15cc fluid. Baytril. Nurtical. Hoping she doesn't barf.
Bear is better. Ate a bit and loved his Nutrical. 15cc fluid.
Micheal ate like a champ and won't let me near him AT ALL.

Ginger is my best buddy - so I just can't loose her.

From what I read CO poisoning takes a while to recover from. There can be damage from it.
Aflatoxins
damage to liver and kidneys

Watch her urine output.
maybe get it tested

[Nancy in New York]

I know this sounds silly, and that she needs to sleep to get better, but spend lots of time with her, even if it is jut a hand on her as she is snoozing. It always surprises me how much comfort they take from this. If you have the time to let her spend some lap time, preferably on a heating pad, that would be good, too. Come on, Ginger...

Not silly at all CritterMom...I am a big believer in sitting with them and letting them feel our love and our "willing" them to live and to fight.

This does sound so similar to what Jackie went through...perhaps if you aren't doing so already...contact her to see what exactly she did. I do know that it took weeks and weeks for her one little one to finally turn the corner.

[pappy1264]

In either case, you can have liver damage, esp. Might be worth looking in milk thistle to help support the liver (I know it can be used in gliders, not sure with squirrels, but I would imagine it ok. Maybe something to discuss w/you vet?)

[Jackie in Tampa]

:thinking gee, i hate to say anything on the board...
but...whatever happens, whatever you conclude,
[i wish you well] do not admin metronidazole to a nuero...kk!?:thumbsup
but if you think possibly mycos, i would treat aggressively...doxy and baytril as stated earlier
metro/flagyl if you think aspergiliousis...
remember, i don't have alot of research time...i work from common sense and experience. i also am in legal state so vets are part of life...i use their education to make most decisions....

i can write lengthy here...but will wait til asked...
thanks nin

:Love_Icon i loved you too olive:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

:thinking gee, i hate to say anything on the board...
but...whatever happens, whatever you conclude,
do not admin metronidazole to a nuero...kk!?:thumbsup
but if you think possibly mycos, i would treat aggressively...doxy and baytril as stated earlier
metro/flagyl if you think aspergiliousis...
remember, i don't have alot of research time...i work from common sense and experience. i also am in legal state so vets are part of life...i use their education to make most decisions....

i can write lengthy here...but will wait til asked...
thanks nin

:Love_Icon i loved you too olive:Love_Icon

[I]
Thank you Jackie!!!! :Love_Icon This just reminds me so very much of what you went through.....:shakehead

[mugzeezma]

:thinking gee, i hate to say anything on the board...
but...whatever happens, whatever you conclude,
[i wish you well] do not admin metronidazole to a nuero...kk!?:thumbsup
but if you think possibly mycos, i would treat aggressively...doxy and baytril as stated earlier
metro/flagyl if you think aspergiliousis...
remember, i don't have alot of research time...i work from common sense and experience. i also am in legal state so vets are part of life...i use their education to make most decisions....

i can write lengthy here...but will wait til asked...
thanks nin

:Love_Icon i loved you too olive:Love_Icon

No one should EVER have any fear of posting on the board and your experience and advice IS valuable Jackie

The thing that is so odd with this is that several animals became sick simultaneously which is not typical of a viral or parasitic infection unless they all were exposed at the exact same time.

I'm wondering if the Baytril is a good idea if this is in fact Aflatoxin poisoning.
It can pressure organs already compromised by the toxins???

[island rehabber]

2ndHand, I just 'stole' this from thepetsquirrelboard; I don't think they'd mind and it may be helpful:

Aflatoxins first of all impair the liver, so addition of milk thistle, dandelions (and other bitter leaves like chicory and rocket), fruit (like organic grapes without seeds, citrus fruit, variety of berries, apples, pears) vegetables (cruciferous), like cabbage (non headed, bok choy, Kohlrabi etc. ) promoting liver health can help in the fight against the toxins.

(Milk Thistle recommended for the immuno health of pets; for dosage check recommendations for dosage of pets that weigh ten pounds, and then divide by ten to get dosage for one pound squirrel. A few flakes in a meal helps to boost their immune system. SF)

5. Apparently, plants from the Apiaceae family help to fight aflatoxins in the body. They are: dill, cilantro leaves and stems

[mugzeezma]

2ndHand, I just 'stole' this from thepetsquirrelboard; I don't think they'd mind and it may be helpful:

Aflatoxins first of all impair the liver, so addition of milk thistle, dandelions (and other bitter leaves like chicory and rocket), fruit (like organic grapes without seeds, citrus fruit, variety of berries, apples, pears) vegetables (cruciferous), like cabbage (non headed, bok choy, Kohlrabi etc. ) promoting liver health can help in the fight against the toxins.

(Milk Thistle recommended for the immuno health of pets; for dosage check recommendations for dosage of pets that weigh ten pounds, and then divide by ten to get dosage for one pound squirrel. A few flakes in a meal helps to boost their immune system. SF)

5. Apparently, plants from the Apiaceae family help to fight aflatoxins in the body. They are: dill, cilantro leaves and stems

I have seen Milk thistle at administered in food at willowbrook and when I went through Chuckies poisoning it was advised to use it as well ...

Are the herbs meant to be used fresh?

[mugzeezma]

NANCY

just spoke with Dr Xie at Willowbrook...
Metacam for inflammation of gut and liver

Milk thistle 100-150mg/kg dose rate for liver damage

I asked if these things would hurt he said no...Baytril probably not needed.

Keep flushing and force feeding

call or text

I will try to contact you ...signal issues out there are making it hard

He offered to do a postmortem if we can get little Olive there

[pappy1264]

I had already mentioned using milk thistle. It has been used in gliders to try to help the liver heal (and even just to help in general since we cannot 'copy' their wild diet...same as w/squirrels). I know it can help in many instances.

[Jackie in Tampa]

:peace metacam is rough on the liver, caution.
opt for tramadol.

[CritterMom]

Milk thistle is available in any health food store as a liquid in a dropper bottle, with both alcohol and water used as an agent. Used in parrots.

[stosh2010]

2ndHand, I just 'stole' this from thepetsquirrelboard; I don't think they'd mind and it may be helpful:



5. Apparently, plants from the Apiaceae family help to fight aflatoxins in the body. They are: dill, cilantro leaves and stems
My Rama loves [FONT="Arial Black"]cilantro, fresh, but prefers one type over another. He eats from the root/stem up to the leaves. If you can find it fresh . purchase both kinds and hope they will eat one or the other.

[atlantasquirrelgirl]

Postmortem on Olive is probably a very worthwhile effort if Mugz can arrange it. It might help save the others, or speed their recovery.

[mugzeezma]

:peace metacam is rough on the liver, caution.
opt for tramadol.
Yes it can be
BUT
so is Baytril...Dr Xie wondered why it was being administered
I told him it was probably to cover all bases. He replied with a sigh.

Metacam is for inflammation, an NSAID, pain relief as well

Tramadol is an opioid type pain reliever only.

He specified Metacam to REDUCE inflammation in the gut and liver.

tramadol won't do that

Don't forget the milk thistle

:peace

no need to tip toe girl... i don't bite

[pappy1264]

Concern w/metacam is kidneys, esp. if they are dehydrated at all. I would only use that as a last resort. It is one of those tricky meds. Any chance blood panels can be done to check for liver/kidney issues?

[pappy1264]

Asked some people for advice, still looking, but got this......

http://books.google.com/books?id=X58BIbrBtrUC&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=treating+animals+with+aflatoxin+poisoning&source=bl&ots=LWZuCrxB_g&sig=bqodNXgNQWqiRHsCH3gJYgdXlb4&hl=en&ei=E4QjTa6uIYWenwfYoMGSAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false


Haven't read it all, but figured it might offer some insight, maybe. Still looking.....

[lilidukes]

Here is a link about liver and kidney herb etc.

www.pkdiet.com/herb.htm


My best to all of you:grouphug

[mugzeezma]

Postmortem on Olive is probably a very worthwhile effort if Mugz can arrange it. It might help save the others, or speed their recovery.

That was precisely the point

I can't get hold of her...
doc said that it would be preferable sooner than later...running out of tim on this matter.

It's a bit of a trek to get out there but I'm ready to do it

She has some pretty good resources herself

[mugzeezma]

Nancy let me know if you want me to do this...

[island rehabber]

Post #152:

No Olive did not have a necropsy. Not possible around here. I just wanted to get her buried in her little casket. This is the 4 hole I had to dig this year. I'm tired of digging.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Hi all. Just got back from vet with Josie dog. Very sick too. Surgery, big wounds, infections, heartworm, but she's happy to be home.
Ginger is the same. She ate apple when I was gone. Hasn't barfed. Had 1/2 cherry & 1/2 blueberry. Doesn't not want me to hold her - she want's to be alone. Have heating pad. Fluids. She is a pin cusion and has so many sub Qs she leaks. All others are hanging tough. Have injectable non barf in her now. Did have injectable anitibotics but niece grabbed (trying to be helpful) and squirted into cap!!!
Time for farm chores - will sub Q the pincusion and Bear. Bear is keeping his food down now - so is Micheal. Its all about Ginger now.

I have 33 critters to go chore - so I'll check in after subQs after dinner, have to start dinner too. She is on heat (just the right amount) and my IKEA sheep skin (comfy)
Vet totally agrees - alfatoxin with the nuts. She knows how I am with my animals.

No Olive for Necropsy- she is in the ground. I am good at winter burying (since I do senior dog rescue - its part of the territory) I look like a Pagen Viking with bonfires in the woods to warm the ground at night.

Keep praying for Ginger. 20cc after dinner. I just hope she keeps peeing. Thanks everybody.

[island rehabber]

Bless you and ALL in your care, 2ndHand....many prayers still coming. :grouphug

[mugzeezma]

PM an address to me and I will send you milk thistle and instructions next day if you cannot find any.

received the last text
you live in a hole there? :D

hang in there babe

prayers going out to you

[crazysquirrels]

I hope to read great news in the morning. Please squirrel gods. Don't let me down.

[Pierre]

Praying and praying for your babies....

:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

Hami and I are both praying for you & the babies. :grouphug Hoping for great news in the morning.


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[2ndHandRanchRescue]

3:30am. All alive. Micheal is back sleeping with his sister Katie. Bear is sleeping and no longer vomiting. He kept down some formula, cherry & nutrical. Ginger was dehydrated at 3am (SubQs leaking out) she kept down her cherry and 1 blueberry and her oral h2o from last night so I gave her some nutrical in water. Didn't mind too much - hoping she keeps that down. Poor dear can not handle any more subQ. The others were no problem - she is. Josie dog screams in pain - shhhh poor doggie, life is good now. Gave her some ace and deramax - ok, back to bed. We feel those prayers - keep them coming. :Love_Icon

[mpetys]

I hope the babies are doing better this morning. I hope you were able to get some rest.

Michele

[stosh2010]

Long Distance Love>>>> comin' your way>>>
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Stosh & Ramamama & Rama Rota

[CritterMom]

Hey guys, I had an idea...

You said that they had mealworms from your husband's fishing trip. I just did some googling around and it seems mealworms are a source of salmonella in poultry - one of the ways it is transferred to poultry.

Could this be salmonella? I lean toward aflatoxin from the nuts but this popped into my head - the mealworms - this morning so I went hunting...

[Pierre]

Hey guys, I had an idea...

You said that they had mealworms from your husband's fishing trip. I just did some googling around and it seems mealworms are a source of salmonella in poultry - one of the ways it is transferred to poultry.

Could this be salmonella? I lean toward aflatoxin from the nuts but this popped into my head - the mealworms - this morning so I went hunting...

Good thought...

Did the babies feel warm [fever]? Did they have diarrhea?

Baytril or trim-sulfa would be good antibiotics for salmonella. Pushing the fluids--pedialyte too-- is perfect.

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

I am usually a huge fan of sulfa-trim, but I would be hesitant using it on these guys, baytril would be a better choice. There is a warning with sulfa to keep the animals well hydrated and one of these guy's main issues is dehydration, so I don't think Sulfa-trim would be a good choice.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

8AM: Good Googling. No one had diareah or fever. Juvies are 100% this morning. Bear is up and eating breakfast. Ginger has taken a turn for the worse. (and she's my Wondersquirrel that chose to be here) Sub Q right now to the little pin cusion. Pray my Ginger makes it, but it doesn't look good this AM. :sad

[Pierre]

I am usually a huge fan of sulfa-trim, but I would be hesitant using it on these guys, baytril would be a better choice. There is a warning with sulfa to keep the animals well hydrated and one of these guy's main issues is dehydration, so I don't think Sulfa-trim would be a good choice.


Ah, thanks for the reminder. Good point. :)

[Pierre]

8AM: Good Googling. No one had diareah or fever. Juvies are 100% this morning. Bear is up and eating breakfast. Ginger has taken a turn for the worse. (and she's my Wondersquirrel that chose to be here) Sub Q right now to the little pin cusion. Pray my Ginger makes it, but it doesn't look good this AM. :sad

Oh..... hold her and give her some "food" for energy. Sugared water, molasses, ensure, etc. She sounds like she has enough fluids for the moment. Hold and love her and don't let her give up. :(

Thinking of you and Ginger and sending lots of prayers...
:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

[mpetys]

Oh I hate to hear this about Ginger! Praying that she comes around for a recovery.

Michele

[crazysquirrels]

Come on Ginger. Good news on the others.

[mugzeezma]

Hey guys, I had an idea...

You said that they had mealworms from your husband's fishing trip. I just did some googling around and it seems mealworms are a source of salmonella in poultry - one of the ways it is transferred to poultry.

Could this be salmonella? I lean toward aflatoxin from the nuts but this popped into my head - the mealworms - this morning so I went hunting...
Salmonella can come from the veg that w eaten as well.

Any tummy aches at your house 2HRR?

I am sending milk thistle...leaving house in a minute can you send me weights in grams preferably?

\7ytWUIY83y
I'll send it same day if possible
thanks for the help from jealous squirrel
If I have to I'll drive it out
text anything you need

[mugzeezma]

Salmonella can come from the veg that w eaten as well.

Any tummy aches at your house 2HRR?

I am sending milk thistle...leaving house in a minute can you send me weights in grams preferably?

\7ytWUIY83y
I'll send it same day if possible
thanks for the help from jealous squirrel
If I have to I'll drive it out
text anything you need

Texting hobbit hole Ms Baggins

[stosh2010]

8AM: Good Googling. No one had diareah or fever. Juvies are 100% this morning. Bear is up and eating breakfast. Ginger has taken a turn for the worse. (and she's my Wondersquirrel that chose to be here) Sub Q right now to the little pin cusion. Pray my Ginger makes it, but it doesn't look good this AM. :sad
I googled PRAYER for GINGER---and found this...I don't know if she has been there since birth-but the rest of the prayer is Beautiful.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
..Dear God I know I have an angel, that belongs to you here on earth, I pray for some more time with her, I have loved her since her birth, God I know you love her butt I love her too, Give me a few more years untill she comes to live with you, Dear God I know she is one of your angels even though she dosent have any wings, I see you in her eyes, she makes my heart sing, Dear God how will I ever live without her, it seems she has been here all my life, so tonight as I lie my head down I pray for a prayer for you to heal my GINGER tonight
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

I googled PRAYER for GINGER---and found this...I don't know if she has been there since birth-but the rest of the prayer is Beautiful.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
..Dear God I know I have an angel, that belongs to you here on earth, I pray for some more time with her, I have loved her since her birth, God I know you love her butt I love her too, Give me a few more years untill she comes to live with you, Dear God I know she is one of your angels even though she dosent have any wings, I see you in her eyes, she makes my heart sing, Dear God how will I ever live without her, it seems she has been here all my life, so tonight as I lie my head down I pray for a prayer for you to heal my GINGER tonight
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )


That's awesome - but now my eyes are all puffy

[RockyRocko]

That's awesome - but now my eyes are all puffy

So are mine.......... Sending lots of prayers your way.

[mugzeezma]

That's awesome - but now my eyes are all puffy

Left message with WWC
vet to consult

any ideas folk before I head out the door?

Nancy?

what about taking her to Willowbrook?

U of I wildlife clinic?

[pappy1264]

Mealworms can also be a source of aflatoxins (many won't even risk feeding them to their gliders because of the risk.) Sendings tons of prayers for Ginger. This whole thing is just too sad.

[JLM27]

Dear Lord, please heal Ginger. Put your loving arms around her. Breathe your live-giving spirit into her. This we pray, O Lord. Help her. The Father's will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.

[Lulu2010]

I'm praying for you and Ginger, still. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
I've been following, but sadly I still have no advice. :shakehead I think you are doing a great job helping them fight whatever it is that they have. Keep doing what you're doing. :bowdown

[lilidukes]

Prayers for Ginger and you.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[crazysquirrels]

How is Ginger??????:grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

5PM Update. Micheal is still well. Bear may need some oral nurtical/formula but he is eating a little bit. He just loves to have formula - crazy OLD squirrel. Well, Ginger - let's keep hoping. No appetite but I'm giving 1 cc of pedilite every hour not to tax her system. So far so good. She is actually out of next box and watching horses. Sitting on her heating pad. I will take this as 'so far so good' I'm going out of town on Friday but I have squirrely friends that live by vet and they will help care for her if.......

[mugzeezma]

Good news, bad news, and just plain news.

First send me a weight on Ginger squirrel.

sent aloe juice and milk thistle...be there 2morrow b4 3

Haven't heard back from U of I vet, but spoke with clinic

Discussed your tribe with Dr Nevis the staff vet.
IV can be done IO w/ osteo cath in femur but only under sedation...painful procedure

She is going to dig up and email more info on Aflatoxin and types of treatments.

suspects apple branch more than nuts because of our flaky weather

metacam is good unless there is absolute liver failure...helps reduce inflammatory processes

vomiting give Cerenia injectable
or
OTC
Bonamine, Dramamine

She's pretty concerned about the vomiting...thinks that's what the Baytril was given for...rodents throat structures aspirate vomit easily

she asked if there are any other symptoms sounds, gagging , coughing, wheezing, anything out of the ordinary.

[JLM27]

If her liver or kidneys were affected it may be a long slow recovery. My friend Eddie got Lyme disease so bad he wound up in the hospital, and his kidneys almost totally failed. He had only 30% function in them and the doctors were not sure he would make it. But he has recovered. This happened about 10 years ago, and he has been in fairly good health since..

[Gina]

Ginger, keep hanging in there baby our prayers are with all of you.

[CritterMom]

5PM Update. Micheal is still well. Bear may need some oral nurtical/formula but he is eating a little bit. He just loves to have formula - crazy OLD squirrel. Well, Ginger - let's keep hoping. No appetite but I'm giving 1 cc of pedilite every hour not to tax her system. So far so good. She is actually out of next box and watching horses. Sitting on her heating pad. I will take this as 'so far so good' I'm going out of town on Friday but I have squirrely friends that live by vet and they will help care for her if.......

This is actually sounding pretty good. When is the last time she vomited?

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

This is actually sounding pretty good. When is the last time she vomited?

4am is the last time. She is laying on her heating pad. She was offended by my forcing her to drink and is now orgainizing whiskers. Oh - now she's pancaking on her heating pad looking at me. I take this as good as she was hiding in her den all balled up. Com'n Ginger!!!

[CritterMom]

Is she consuming anything but rehydration fluid? Can you buy some Ensure and try syringing some into her? It is highly digestible and shouldn't tax her tummy too much, plus it is sweet and yummy.

[SammysMom]

I have been following you and your babies and just wanted to let you know there are prayers coming from Connecticut! You are doing such a good job caring for the special babies!

[pappy1264]

You have to be careful with Ensure, it should not be fed if dehydration is present, as it turns to cement if an animal is dehydrated. If you do feed it, to be safe, I would water it down a little to cover yourself. JMPO.

[Pierre]

Is she consuming anything but rehydration fluid? Can you buy some Ensure and try syringing some into her? It is highly digestible and shouldn't tax her tummy too much, plus it is sweet and yummy.

Yes, she's probably a little hungry. :tilt

I'm so hopeful she's turning the corner! :grouphug :Love_Icon

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Hello TSB 11pm: Another sleepless night ahead, I am exhausted. But the remaining 4 are still alive. Katie & Micheal are totally in the clear and they have retired together into there fleece cube house. They were wrestling and barking all evening. Bear is slow but enjoyed some Nutrical and a cherry, he decided to sleep on the floor of his cage tonight - guess like an old man he wanted to sleep near the bathroom. LOL.
Then we have Ginger. Wondersquirrel Ginger. She is still alive and gave me a bark when I picked her up for oral fluid. I got 3ccs of diluted Nutrical (she is starting to really fight me - that is good I hope) and 4 ccs of Pedilite. I will pick up some Ensure for my critter sitters. I have to go to Minn and I am dreading leaving her, but she will be in good hands as my squirrel sitters are carful and live very close to our squirrel vet. I just couldn't sub Q her 1 more time - maybe the vet can. My wilds I was good at, but she is too much my pet and she's turning into a "Chia Pet" with all the holes in her poor hide. She feels a bit more robust with energy and is getting a routine down. I give fluids, she then pancakes on the heating pad under a fleecie. After about 1/2 hour she moves to her den and hunkers in. It just has to be a good sign.

I look at the pet cemetary and the new grave, makes me so sad. My little Olive next to Flash, Beezer, & all the hounds....such a sad mystery to start my year.....

[island rehabber]

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

....
I look at the pet cemetary and the new grave, makes me so sad. My little Olive next to Flash, Beezer, & all the hounds....such a sad mystery to start my year.....

I know how it's harder to think positive when exhaustion sets in. :( I went through it when Tippy was so sick/badly injured. Just looking at the little satin pouch with Scooter's ashes in it was enough to make me break down. But then, I told myself that little Tippy needed me, and little Hami too, and it gave me the courage to go on. You are doing your best for little Ginger, as you did your best for all of them - past and present. There never is a good time to lose them, beginning of the year or end. :( Little Olive and those who are gone have left for a reason - one we may not ever understand but they now are truly and forever free. Just remember that. :grouphug :grouphug

I know it's hard to face another day of adversity, of helping a little creature who tries so hard to hang on... your best is ALL you can do for her. Remember that you are not alone, at least not in spirit. Many, many here are praying for you and will continue to do so until little Ginger pulls through. :grouphug

Try to get a little rest, doo the very best you can to rest because you need it too. You are an amazing person for doing all that you do!!! :bowdown No wonder Ginger wanted to stay with you. Do not give up, keep up the faith and the good work: Sweet little Ginger needs you! :Love_Icon

[Jackie in Tampa]

I feel your pain...hugs to you.
hang in Ginger...
Oral hydration sooooo much better anyway, if sq can swallow, I never subQ.
I will opt to wave pain meds in order to hydrate completely...
pain is tolerable, dehydration and meds can be fatal.
I know your babies are in the best hands, thank you.
sending good vibes:Love_Icon

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Hi all- We are feeling your prayers here in Princeton. Ginger still with us. I slept through 3am hydration but at 6am 6cc of Nutrical/h2o and here at 8am 6cc of Pedilite. So far so good. No vomiting. I have to run to work (Grrr) but I'm lucky I don't have to stay all day. So send gaurdain Angels to watch over her.
For those who don't know Miss Ginger -
Here is her 1st video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfp8n2KJXo

[lilidukes]

Sending healing prayers for all but especially Ginger right now.:grouphug

Stay strong:grouphug

[Fireweed]

:grouphug :grouphug

[crazysquirrels]

Alright. Keep it up. I am off to work but will check in during the day.:grouphug

[Scooterzmom]

Hi all- We are feeling your prayers here in Princeton. Ginger still with us. I slept through 3am hydration but at 6am 6cc of Nutrical/h2o and here at 8am 6cc of Pedilite. So far so good. No vomiting. I have to run to work (Grrr) but I'm lucky I don't have to stay all day. So send gaurdain Angels to watch over her.
For those who don't know Miss Ginger -
Here is her 1st video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfp8n2KJXo

So cute and sweet! :Love_Icon :) Now hush and don't let Hami see that!!!! First thing I'll know he'll be doing the same thing in his room. The fan in there looks almost exactly like yours hehe

[Kelly Brady]

Thinking of you and keeping up with your progress.

Hoping so very much things continue to improve:grouphug

[Tickle's Mom]

Any news since this am ??:grouphug

[Busysqrl]

I'm a little late coming to this thread, but I'm SO sorry to hear about your sweet Olive. I was reading hubby this thread last night and we were just so sad to hear everything you've went through. The scary thing about Aflatoxins is that sometimes they aren't visable and you have no idea the nut is not a good one. To some extent, it's the luck of the draw. We're praying hard for precious little Ginger out here on the west coast. Hubby and I loved the little video of her. What a little monkey she is. I'll check back in a little bit. :grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Thrusday Night 10pm Update: TSB I can feel those good vibes just zoning in on Princeton Illinois. I am exhausted but feeling pretty good.
Well when I got home I had 2 big surprises at 3pm. Josie Dog (Dog I hit on the Interstate in Arkansas) had ripped out all her stiches on her huge side wound - so besides getting squrrels ready for sitter as I leave for Minn. Off to the Vet ER for a zillion staples. But on a great note there was a care package of Milk Thistle and Aloe Juice from Mugzeezma! Thank you so much MUGZEEAMA -I fed Ginger right away along with pedilite and Ensure. She's still hanging tough, scratched me and gave me a love bite (she holds my finger/hand in mouth and looks at me - she has never bitten in 3 years) I also fed Bear he LOVES Ensure - this is my wild boy that I DID NOT raise and was a car strike - he just kept on drinking and drinking. Well when I got home she was feeling better and pee'd a lake - the first in 3 days. YEA kidneys are working.
So as I leave my Bear and Ginger I hope are on the mend. Well Bear I know is - lets hope for Ginger! My friends who are sitting Bear and Ginger are great healers with so much heart. They also are watching poor Josie. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon I will be calling them from Minn and if I can fiind a PC I will post!!! This has been one heck of a week! Thank you all for such healing prayers - keep them coming - my Ginger hasn't eaten or drank yet on her own. But she is still alive!!!

[crazysquirrels]

Fantastic. Have a safe trip.:grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Sorry about the Typo above - my connection is so slow let me try again
Thank you Mugzeezma I will never forget such a generous outreach for Ginger I really think these natural medicines are her godsend.

[NaturesGift]

how I missed this I shall never know. My prayers go out to you and your babies.

Its just not fair not fair at all. RIP sweet Olive.

*hugs* from me

Mandie

[Fireweed]

Happy, happy news! :multi Have a good safe trip. I hope Josie is going to be ok and that Ginger and the others continue their recovery. :grouphug

[stosh2010]

Hi all- We are feeling your prayers here in Princeton. Ginger still with us. I slept through 3am hydration but at 6am 6cc of Nutrical/h2o and here at 8am 6cc of Pedilite. So far so good. No vomiting. I have to run to work (Grrr) but I'm lucky I don't have to stay all day. So send gaurdain Angels to watch over her.
For those who don't know Miss Ginger -
Here is her 1st video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfp8n2KJXo
here's an ANGEL---especially for your GINGER...Have a safe trip

[Tickle's Mom]

:jump
Great news...prayers still coming. Awesome picture Stosh...

[SammysMom]

Oh my goodness what great news! Mugzee has it right with the milk thistle. Aunt had a cat who was at Death's door and milk thistle is what has been attributed to her living for years past the vet's expectation. Connecticut prayers continue. Have a safe trip!:grouphug

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

here's an ANGEL---especially for your GINGER...Have a safe trip

OMGosh Stosh! that is an amazing angel for Ginger!!
Well guys I just got an update here in the frozen tundra of Minnesota that all is good at Squirrel Central. The Natural Meds are doing wonders!!! Ginger ate a grape today and is peeing and pooping - I never thought I would be so excited over animal scat! She has decided that she would prefer FV to Ensure and is very fiesty!! Bear is LOVING Ensure and is loving life. Hip Hip Hooray! Josie dog is also at special TLC sitter is doing well and getting serious sofa time with her Fairy God Family. Good for sad stapled hound to have 3 humans doting on her when her Pet Parent is away!

As soon as Ginger eats some veggies and a rodent block - I will breath a big sigh of releaf. I can not believe the turn around with the Milk Thistle and Aloe! This HillBilly Rehabber has to make a trip to Whole Foods-Road Trip!!!

BTW - trip up was scary - 3 hours in white out blizzard - like I needed any more stress. Phew!
Hugs to all TSB

[Nancy in New York]

OMGosh Stosh! that is an amazing angel for Ginger!!
Well guys I just got an update here in the frozen tundra of Minnesota that all is good at Squirrel Central. The Natural Meds are doing wonders!!! Ginger ate a grape today and is peeing and pooping - I never thought I would be so excited over animal scat! She has decided that she would prefer FV to Ensure and is very fiesty!! Bear is LOVING Ensure and is loving life. Hip Hip Hooray! Josie dog is also at special TLC sitter is doing well and getting serious sofa time with her Fairy God Family. Good for sad stapled hound to have 3 humans doting on her when her Pet Parent is away!

As soon as Ginger eats some veggies and a rodent block - I will breath a big sigh of releaf. I can not believe the turn around with the Milk Thistle and Aloe! This HillBilly Rehabber has to make a trip to Whole Foods-Road Trip!!!

BTW - trip up was scary - 3 hours in white out blizzard - like I needed any more stress. Phew!
Hugs to all TSB


I can't imagine that there is anybody happier than you right now. This is a fantastic update. Thank you Mugz for the "goods" and Nancy for this update...I sure have a smile on my face now....:D

[Scooterzmom]

Yip - yip HOORAY!!!!! :multi :multi So happy to hear the good news about Ginger and Josie Dog! Still sending prayers, I won't quit until Ginger and all babies are completely out of the woods.

I have to ask you 2ndH, what do you eat?????? I have no idea hoow you are able to find the energy and stamina to pull all of this off. I'd be the one you'd have to nurse by now. FANTASTIC JOB you, your team and MUGZIE for coming up with great meds/food/herbs!!!! :bowdown :bowdown GREAT JOB TSB! :bowdown :multi :bowdown :bowdown

[Best Life]

:goodpost

[stosh2010]

The power of Positive Thoughts. ..Prayer...and a First Rate T.S.B. TEAM of knowledgable and compassionate and generous family...I LOVE This Place....

So Glad to Hear of the Progress... Be careful on the return trip, too.
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Stosh >>> Keeper of the KING ( of Costa Rica )

[crazysquirrels]

FANTASTIC NEWS :multi :wott

[island rehabber]

So happy to hear this great news!! :wahoo

[naturelady1]

It truly amazes me how we get so excited over pee & poop!! I understand completely. Great news, :multi will continue to keep you all in my prayers.

[Fireweed]

Oh, wow. So happy to read the news. :alright.gif :thankyou
Ginger and Josie and the rest of the gang are such lucky peepers to have found themselves in your home. :bowdown

[Lulu2010]

I'm so happy to hear that now everybody is improving. Way to go Ginger! :alright.gif Hope all continues to go well. Still sending my prayers. :grouphug

[astra]

I'm so happy to hear that now everybody is improving. Way to go Ginger! :alright.gif Hope all continues to go well. Still sending my prayers. :grouphug
:grouphug :grouphug

[SammysMom]

Or as we say around here"Hippity Hop Hurray!" Great job!:multi :multi

[mugzeezma]

OMGosh Stosh! that is an amazing angel for Ginger!!
Well guys I just got an update here in the frozen tundra of Minnesota that all is good at Squirrel Central. The Natural Meds are doing wonders!!! Ginger ate a grape today and is peeing and pooping - I never thought I would be so excited over animal scat! She has decided that she would prefer FV to Ensure and is very fiesty!! Bear is LOVING Ensure and is loving life. Hip Hip Hooray! Josie dog is also at special TLC sitter is doing well and getting serious sofa time with her Fairy God Family. Good for sad stapled hound to have 3 humans doting on her when her Pet Parent is away!

As soon as Ginger eats some veggies and a rodent block - I will breath a big sigh of releaf. I can not believe the turn around with the Milk Thistle and Aloe! This HillBilly Rehabber has to make a trip to Whole Foods-Road Trip!!!

BTW - trip up was scary - 3 hours in white out blizzard - like I needed any more stress. Phew!
Hugs to all TSB
:wahoo :wahoo :wahoo

Honey, you ain't no HillBilly!!! LOL

There's a Whole Foods near Willowbrook let's do it babe!
(WH donate supplies to WWC with produce that is CRAZY GOOD STUFF OMG)
Let's do some research on homeopathic and see if you can't get Bear up to speed on his neuro issues too.

Let me know in advance and I'll make an appointment with the center and get you in to meet everyone and go 'behind the scenes'.

Dr. Jen was telling me about some classes she was going to be doing on wildlife procedures.

At some point I would like to get a midwest TSB gathering together for a tour...I will start a new thread for that...maybe get the center to do some education for rehabbers if interest is high enough.

Not just for squirrels either...

[Busysqrl]

WOW, this is such WONDERFUL news! Even hubby was asking me last night if I'd heard how Ginger was doing. At that point I hadn't had a chance to log on. I'm so happy to hear Ginger is making a comeback is doing great.

Mugz, can you please post what you recommended for dosages with the milk thistle and aloe, how they were administered and exactly what products (brands) were used so we all can learn from this terrible situation? That would be really helpful.

2HRR, sorry you had to travel in blizzard conditions. I'm so glad you made it safely to your desitination. Also wonderful news about Josie :jump