Clavamox dosage

[wm29910]

Hi.
Im new to the forum...and to squirrels. I work for a vet and a few days ago someone brought in two baby squirrels that had been abandoned. Looking at pictures and informatin I figure about six weeks old. I have had them for five days now. One of them died this morning. He was considerably smaller than the other and very week from the start. Last night he seemed to be doing fine and this morning he had taken a major turn for the worse. What i do notice today is the other squirrel is sneezing ... a lot. My vet does not treat squirrels... I do have clavamox but dont know what dosage to give. I dont have a scale at home and wouldnt be able to get a weight until tomorrow if that is necessary. Please any advice...

[philomycus]

Clavamox is not good for rodents, especially young abandonded babies. Have you read the section on rehydration, feeding?

[wm29910]

She is feeding well... her eyes are now open. She is starting to groom herself. Has a good appetite. I did start out with pedialyte and then esbilac... of course now im reading that esbilac isnt a good thing. I just got monkey bisquits but not sure if its too soon for that...she doesnt really have interest yet.

[mugzeezma]

Clavamox is actually the first choice the Wildlife vet uses at Willowbrook. We handle HUNDREDS of abandoned and babies each season.
I have used Clavamox on mine with great success a well.
Feed yogurt daily and only give this medication on a full tummy.

Please give me the drug concentration (mg/ml) and I will calculate the dosage and tell you how as well. You can give one dose now and one before you go to work and then you can weigh him.
THe range on this AB is fairly broad.
You think then that the baby is 7 weeks? Do you think he is large or small for his age or do you know?
Can you post a picture?

[Jackie in Tampa]

Where are you in SC?
we have peeps and vets...hoping close enough to get proper meds...
waiting does scare me though...they go down fast...
a county is probably good enough if you don't want to give city location.

[wm29910]

Beaufort County in South Carolina
It states each ml of suspension contains 62.5mg
Clavamox

I'm going to try and put a picture up so maybe age can be narrowed down?
Thanks for all of the help!

[wm29910]

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[mugzeezma]

Beaufort County in South Carolina
It states each ml of suspension contains 62.5mg
Clavamox

I'm going to try and put a picture up so maybe age can be narrowed down?
Thanks for all of the help!

Other than the sneezing what symptoms does he have?
Have you listened to his chest?
Is he making any clicking sounds when he breaths?
Is his breathing labored?
Does he feel cold?
Is he not eating and appear lethargic?
I don't recommend dosing unless it's necessary.
Antibiotics can cause severe diarrhea.

[mugzeezma]

Also need to know what you are feeding as well.
If there are no outward respiratory symptoms it could be the formula and how it's prepared.
Esbilac has a high mortality rate.

[wm29910]

...sometimes i hear a clicking but its not constant.
She is warm. Has a good appetite. I dont hear any wheezing just lots of sneezing which started this morning. I was afraid since, as i stated, the other baby died this morning but then again he was very frail from the beginning.

[wm29910]

Im feeding esbilac. i have kitten formula KMR i think its called..should i feed that until I can order something else? It will probablly be Monday or Tuesday before I can get anything delivered.

[wm29910]

I started out on the kitten formula then read that it didnt provide adequate calories and esbilac was better and now I m reading that esbilac is dangerous

[wm29910]

not a good time for trial and error you know:thinking

[lilidukes]

You might want to try Jackie's goat milk recipe until you can get Fox Valley

Jackie's Goat Milk Recipe
1 cup goats milk
1/3 cup heavy cream
1/3 cup dannon all natural vanilla yogurt


I would also make him a rice buddy for comfort.
Does any of his bedding have any strong smells like fabric softener etc. They have very sensitive noses.

:grouphug for you both

[Jackie in Tampa]

Antibiotics can cause severe diarrhea.
especially clavamox...
wm,no matter what the brand, any and all ABs should be suplimented with a probotic of some sort...I use simple yogurt always.
SMZ-TMP is the only mild AB that I know of...and the cillans are simply not recommended for sqs...

Secret Squirrel, Rebecca is a wild life rehabber in Summerville, 70 miles away from you..if you are near the town of Beaufort:dono
You can use the Pm service in the upper right hand corner and send her a message if you need some help.

[mugzeezma]

I will give you the dosage just in case. He turns for the worse but he sounds okay.
Personally I wouldn't give him meds at this point since his appetite is good.
Esbilac needs heavy whipping cream added for fat. You need to mix it in very hot water (do not boil) at least 8 hours in advance or it is indigestible.
Fox Valley 20/50 is a better choice, you needn't add a thing to it.

http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp

Or
http://henryspets.com/

Hopefully you don't need to give meds.
Your smaller baby may have aspirated and this one sounds like he got some up his nose which happens often enough and can make them go off their formula for a feeding or two and make some clicking noise in the nose. It is not true aspiration but rather blowing milk out their nose

ONLY FEED WITH A ONE CC SYRINGE.
You have far safer and better flow control.

This dose based on a ballpark figure of 150g.
.05cc BID(every 12hrs) for 7 days on a full tummy and yogurt daily
that dose is 5 one HUNDREDTHS of a CC be careful to measure properly.
with a 1cc or .5cc syringe

[wm29910]

ok. Will change the diet first thing tomorrow. I m just afraid this is a cold. I dont use fabric softener.

Mugzeezma could i get that dosage amount just in case she takes a turn for the worse ...unless you think I should dose now. The boy appeared to be fine last night but when morning came was beyond help. I dont want a repeat if its preventable.

[wm29910]

Thanks! I feel much better. Will hold off on the meds... and change the diet. I have read a lot about the different types of foods they can eat but not really anything specific about what age to start adding these food. Any suggestions and would anybody want to guess her age from the picture I posted?

[wm29910]

I am close to Beaufort. Nice to know there is a rehabber close. ..now i just need a vet. lol

[mugzeezma]

especially clavamox...
wm,no matter what the brand, any and all ABs should be suplimented with a probotic of some sort...I use simple yogurt always.
SMZ-TMP is the only mild AB that I know of...and the cillans are simply not recommended for sqs...


I think the big issue is whether this is an emergency or not...I'm not thinking it is but she has the Clavamox JUST IN CASE

infant rice and kaopectate can fix any diarrhea that may arise IF it arises.

Jackie I think everyone has their unique experiences with different thing and i am not trying to diminish yours in anyway.
I have given Clavamox without issue.
Dr N gives it as well
We had a long discussion about this and she said that 'cillins are hard on the bacteria required for the big fermentors like bovine and equine...ungulates cannot take it orally but can take it IM.
A squirrels gut is nothing compared to the massive volume and the type of food horse a horse has.
Logically there is no comparison.
Benebac restores that flora as does yogurt.

[mugzeezma]

Thanks! I feel much better. Will hold off on the meds... and change the diet. I have read a lot about the different types of foods they can eat but not really anything specific about what age to start adding these food. Any suggestions and would anybody want to guess her age from the picture I posted?

I would need to see that tail but I think you're pretty close.

I would still check on her tonight and see how she's doing.
IF YOU START GIVING ANTIBIOTICS YOU HAVE TO GO THE FULL 7 DAYS
no matter what you give. We don't need to create superbugs.
As long as she:
-is holding her body temp
-bright and alert
-eating well
-active for her age
with NO
-open mouth breathing
-audible clicking each breath
-lethargy/depression
-discharge from the eyes or nose
-diarrhea
-head tilting or seizures

the list goes on...you know when something is REALLY NOT RIGHT

[Lulu2010]

I don't know if I'm too late. I just briefly read the posts. I am in Summerville, SC and foster for Keeper of the Wild (St. Geoge area). I have fox valley that I just got in and can share until you get some or can sell you a bag for what I bought it for and I'll just order another. I also have amoxicillin. I'm not sure what vets will "just see" a squirrel around here because most have a policy about "wild" animals. However, if you turned her over to Keeper of the Wild or to a vet who would treat her and get her there, I know of places that will take her in. If you wanted to treat her yourself, you can probably call around closer to your area or talk to KOTW and see how you could foster. Then, you don't have to pay. I don't know if they do your area or not. Anyways, I just wanted to let you know I'm in SC if you need anything. You can PM me if you do. Sorry for your loss on the little one and I hope the other is going to be ok.:grouphug

[Lulu2010]

Oh. I also have Bene-bac (spelling?). You can give it when you give antibiotics. Just let me know if I can do anything to help. I'm here. Take care.:)

[Jackie in Tampa]

I think the big issue is whether this is an emergency or not...I'm not thinking it is but she has the Clavamox JUST IN CASE

infant rice and kaopectate can fix any diarrhea that may arise IF it arises.

Jackie I think everyone has their unique experiences with different thing and i am not trying to diminish yours in anyway.
I have given Clavamox without issue.
Dr N gives it as well
We had a long discussion about this and she said that 'cillins are hard on the bacteria required for the big fermentors like bovine and equine...ungulates cannot take it orally but can take it IM.
A squirrels gut is nothing compared to the massive volume and the type of food horse a horse has.
Logically there is no comparison.
Benebac restores that flora as does yogurt.
and me yours either..
you are fairly new to sqs, I am not..
I have worked with Many Vets over many years and it is weird as hell, that not one, for not one issue{and I have seen some ****} has ever prescribed cillans.
Remember one of my vets is Dr Teresa Lightfoot, Dr.P trained under her...she writes all the best avian and exotics books because she is someone...not a volunteer at a rehab center!
I also realize that large rehab centers have budgets...and therefore buy in bulk...tinfoil
I will stand on my opinion as you will yours Mugz.

and yes, in an emergency, I dang sure would use clavamox...but I would also do surgery if I thought that would help a dying sq...desperate is desperate, and I am no surgeon.
:peace
Cillans should not be given to sqs!
PS, Philomycus is a vet med student...and is owned by Rocky, an amputtee...I think they have been down the AB road a few times..

[Jackie in Tampa]

I apologize TSB and wm...
hate to be crass:peace

[island rehabber]

no apologies necessary here. I have to weigh in on the side of NOT giving 'cillins to squirrels unless you have absolutely no other recourse. I used to use clav for squirrels because it's cheap and easy to get...until my vet (aforementioned Dr P in NYC) verbally rapped my knuckles about it. :peace

Lethargy and loss of appetite are the numbers 1 & 2 symptoms of pneumonia, besides the obvious wheezing or clicking. Unless you observe this, wm, I wouldn't be overly concerned. Some squirrels do "pfft!" a lot.

[mugzeezma]

and yes, in an emergency, I dang sure would use clavamox...but I would also do surgery if I thought that would help a dying sq...desperate is desperate, and I am no surgeon.


This is the whole point isn't it???

I was a med student too until my mother collapsed and required care. A lot the other stuff hit the fan...but that's really irrelevant at this point.

The books you see in the NWRA and one of the leading vets for the gulf oil spill developed the protocol for Willowbrook.

When I come on to help in these situations it's purely for emergency reasons. same as you Jackie

My experience may not be long but it has been very very intense having completed and internship and working with one of the finest rehab centers in the nation.
They are hardly low budget being financed by not only the second wealthiest counties Forest Preserve District by by an adoring well to do public.
They have are even tied into the area colleges for wildlife education.
They also have programs funded for public education and to restore endangered species.

Bottom line is we can agree to disagree...politely :peace

Clavamox hasn't killed anyone...Mugzi was on it when he was first found. He had pneumonia from exposure @ 4 weeks. That vet was large animal w/NO squirrel experience...:dono It was an emergency.
Never had a drop of diarrhea.

[lilidukes]

wm, just wanted to check in and see how you are this morning.mjs

[Jackie in Tampa]

:Love_Icon wm, I have offered Rebecca...she is close and will have vets if needed.
Good luck baby squirrel:Love_Icon

[mugzeezma]

:Love_Icon wm, I have offered Rebecca...she is close and will have vets if needed.
Good luck baby squirrel:Love_Icon
Hopefully none are required!
WM..since you have a vet we can recommend what to give and how much. You can ask your vet for what you need and hopefully you can purchase it from them without them getting in trouble. Of course the best option is to give this little one to a licensed rehabber.

How is she today?

[wm29910]

My internet has been on the fritz.
Thanks for the guidance.. she is doing great. Apparently she just sneezes a lot. I thought it was a cold but she is eating great and seems to feel fine.

[lilidukes]

With the heat on here at night all the animals seem to be sneezing more. So good to hear all is well.:thankyou

[mugzeezma]

My internet has been on the fritz.
Thanks for the guidance.. she is doing great. Apparently she just sneezes a lot. I thought it was a cold but she is eating great and seems to feel fine.

Whew!!! False alarms are wake up calls to get a support system in place. I'm very glad it was nothing and am hoping you were still able to enjoy your sons birthday party.
Do try to get some SMZ-TMP tabs just in case.

[wm29910]

Yes I will keep that on hand.... i have to look back....did you have a dosage for that?

[mugzeezma]

Yes I will keep that on hand.... i have to look back....did you have a dosage for that?
The dose you give depends on the squirrel's weight in grams. You can get SMZ-TMP in tablet form or liquid. It is better in liquid if you can set that.
If you get tabs you have to powder them and then put them into solution.
A 960mg tablet would be crushed and mixed with 5cc's of liquid = 192mg/ml
Let's say your Sq weighs 150g at a recommended dose rate of 25mg/kg you would give .02 ccs 2x's daily
anything else you can PM me on and I'll figure it for you if needed.

[wm29910]

:thankyou