Strange, scary behavior...worried it's seizures

[Rainy9]

I hate to have to post about this, but I'm afraid we are experiencing seizures with little Totoro. I always thought she acted a little off, when compared to her sister, but last night there was no ignoring the fact that there is definatly something wrong.

I opened the box at 12 AM last night to feed them. Totoro was curled up tightly in a huge puddle of pee on her blankie. Her sister climbed over her and Totoro spazed the *$%# out! She was shaking violently and would do her little hissing/spitting growl sound that says I'm scared/pissed off at you. She kept trying to scuttle away from my hand when I tried to pick her up for feeding. She seemed TERRIFIED!!! Like she didn't know me and had never seen such a creature before. This has NEVER happend...yes, sometimes she gets slightley startled when you pet her to try and rouse her for feeding and makes her fussy noise, but it is always short lived. This was just the begining.

I tried to sooth her as well as I could. It just wasn't working. Her little heart was going so hard...:shakehead I gave her the nipple and she took to it like she always does and it seemed to calm her just a tad. After she sucked all her food down I got ready to clean face and stimulate her and but she started flailing and writhing with so much force! (it was not your normal rebeling against being stimulated...it was downright scary!!!) I tried to get a safe hold on her and she started screaming the way she screamed the day I found her covered in ant bites. As she screamed she began to spray pee in every which direction. She stopped screaming and then seemed soooo calm and still, like none of this had ever happend. I took the opportunity to help her pee and poo...all went well in that department...

But I noticed the look on her face, and the way she was holding her body. Her little heart was still racing and her torso looked like it was having spasms....like really harsh hiccups. I tried some more to clm her but she wouldn't stop this. Her little limbs we shaking violently now. I have no doubt in my mind that this was NOT REM sleep. It looked nothing like it...Way too violent and constant. Her torso convulsing stopped and after a few minutes the limbs shaking lessened but never really ceased completley. Durring all of this her body had become quite rigid and a bit twisted like someone had grabbed her head and turned it one direction and took her rear and turned it the other. Her eyes looked so tormented. She's watching us the whole time through these frightened little eyes like she's trapped in this body that can't be controlled by her own will.

My husband and I tried to calm her and keep her warm...we curled her up and placed her back in her box, putting her in a postion that looked comfortable, as it seemed she wasn't going to move around much on her own. She was able to curl tightly on her own but when she TRIED to move, her body would not uncurl all the way (super hunched slow crawl). She kept her front arms always folded at the elbows and clenched to her outer sides...never seeming able to push them outwards to lift herself up...same for the rear legs. Her sweet paws stayed somewhat closed and very lifeless.

We did not know what to do, but it was obvious we weren't helping in any way, so we let her be...peace and quiet, and snuggled her up next to her sister in case that might make her feel more at ease. I'm not sure if I should have posted about this last night, but I didn't feel I was level headed enough to do it at the time(I felt as if all the blood had drained from my head...my tongue actualy went about 50% numb. Not sure what it means..doesn't matter now). Instead I spent hours reading all over the forum trying to figure this mess out. My husband teamed up with me, using his mobile phone to search as well. We both ended up at the same thread (Knotthead is Naughty)with the same conclusion...it was most definatly seizures.

She seems back to normal this morning....as normal as you can be when all your strength has just been drained from you. She is tired...so very tired. There was a bit of timidness when we first met eyes this morning but that melted away quickly and we snuggled, ate great, pooed and peed and gently snuggled some more. She is still holding her arms to her sides (except when it came to grabbong hold of the syringe...:D ) but did seem more able to lift herself around here and there...just not alot.

I hope this is all going to be okay....and maybe we'll find a way to manage it..I just don't know enough yet. Have to figure out the "why" if I'm going to do her any real good. I don't know for sure that she has had previous seizures, but I do suspect it. If you look at the video (link in the thread Totoro and Maru) of their first playtime, you will notice how she walks around in circle repetitively or scoots backwards alot. Maru does not do this but Totoro has done this many times...circling over and over and over. She has always seemed very tired, hard to wake, easily aggravated and small in size...A very strong clash of opposites when comparing Totoro to Maru.

The thing that scared me the most about the whole ordeal last night was the look of sheer terror and fear on her face when she first saw me after waking. If this is what I beleive it is, then I know that feeling all to well. To wake from a gran mal seizure...To not know where you are. To not know your loved ones faces...they are complete strangers. And worst of all, to not know who YOU are.

[island rehabber]

oh, that poor, sweet girl! And poor YOU and hubby! What an awful thing to watch. It does sound like seizures, most likely due to head trauma from the original event that caused your babies to be separated from mamma. There isn't a lot you can do for seizures, but if they become severe sometimes phenobarbitol is recommended. In the meantime, I would give her a couple of drops of Vetri-DMG in her formula every day; it is a natural supporter of the immune system and also the nervous system. You can order it in a small bottle from Chris's squirrelsandmore.com.
Others who have had seizure babies may weigh in here with much more helpful advice. All I can say is my prayers are with you and little Totoro.

[CritterMom]

Oh dear. there are others here who can and will offer more. I do know two things I would do. First, I know that seizures like that deplete blood sugar so you need to supplement that - find something she likes - maple syrup, molasses, karo, I saw grenadine mentioned - even simple syrup would work, and keep it on hand so you can syringe it right into her mouth when the seizures subside and allow it safely.

I would also invest in a bottle of Bach's Rescue Remedy. Get the spray - it looks like a breath spray. You can get it at most health food stores. Don't buy the animal stuff, get the spray container of regular rescue remedy. When the seizures start, spray the bottoms of her hind feet with it, and spritz some on your finger and rub it in her lips/gums. It won't stop the seizure but it will help her deal with the fear aspect. You can't use too much so don't worry - just get some on and if you can, a little in her mouth (it works transdermally so it will be absorbed through the feet, but mucous membranes in the mouth are the fastest route).

Do you have a good, sympathetic vet?

[Rainy9]

oh, that poor, sweet girl! And poor YOU and hubby! What an awful thing to watch. It does sound like seizures, most likely due to head trauma from the original event that caused your babies to be separated from mamma. There isn't a lot you can do for seizures, but if they become severe sometimes phenobarbitol is recommended. In the meantime, I would give her a couple of drops of Vetri-DMG in her formula every day; it is a natural supporter of the immune system and also the nervous system. You can order it in a small bottle from Chris's squirrelsandmore.com.
Others who have had seizure babies may weigh in here with much more helpful advice. All I can say is my prayers are with you and little Totoro.


I will order some of the Vetri-DMG today. I guess I could try giving her something a little sugary the next time it looks like it's happening...in case it's hypo glycemia??? Your right, it probably is from nervous system trauma, but I can't rule out the sugar thingy just yet. I'm mixing up some rehydration fluid to give her next feeding. Hoping that will give her some strength back. I will look into the phenobarbitol, and see how it works and about getting some in case this becomes bad bad. Looks like we might have to take a trip to the vet. Thank you for your help IR. Any info is helpful right now. Even the littlest bit. :Love_Icon

[Rainy9]

Oh dear. there are others here who can and will offer more. I do know two things I would do. First, I know that seizures like that deplete blood sugar so you need to supplement that - find something she likes - maple syrup, molasses, karo, I saw grenadine mentioned - even simple syrup would work, and keep it on hand so you can syringe it right into her mouth when the seizures subside and allow it safely.

I would also invest in a bottle of Bach's Rescue Remedy. Get the spray - it looks like a breath spray. You can get it at most health food stores. Don't buy the animal stuff, get the spray container of regular rescue remedy. When the seizures start, spray the bottoms of her hind feet with it, and spritz some on your finger and rub it in her lips/gums. It won't stop the seizure but it will help her deal with the fear aspect. You can't use too much so don't worry - just get some on and if you can, a little in her mouth (it works transdermally so it will be absorbed through the feet, but mucous membranes in the mouth are the fastest route).

Do you have a good, sympathetic vet?

For some reason I don't have ANY type of syrup in my house. How did this happen? Anywho, I'll pick up a few of the types you mentioned (in case she doesn't like one) and I'll look for the Bach's Rescue Remedy. I wish I'd heard of the Bach's before....I have unexplained mini, non debilitating seizures all the time( I would be on anti convulsant meds but only they made things worse). This stuff could help me as well!

You know, I think I'm just gonna have to go in there and ask the guy if he can help or not. He does seem nice. Has always been helpful when my two dogs or cat had emergencies. Never criticized, just told me the right way to do things and was willing to help the resulting bills be not so bad. My town is small (a farming town) and in a large woodsey area, so there is lots of wildlife...Davey Crockett National Forest!...hoping he is sympathetic towards these sorts of things. If not, poop on him, others on this forum have told me of a few places I might try. Thank you for your help CR.

[CritterMom]

Next time you place an order at Henrys, she has RR at the best price I have found - I usually pay about $17.99 for a sprayer of it (which lasts a LONG time). Like I said, it won't do anything for the seizures but that shaky, terrified feeling that becomes a negative feedback loop - it will help short circuit that.

[jo_schmoe]

Next time you place an order at Henrys, she has RR at the best price I have found - I usually pay about $17.99 for a sprayer of it (which lasts a LONG time). Like I said, it won't do anything for the seizures but that shaky, terrified feeling that becomes a negative feedback loop - it will help short circuit that.

I was just gunna say that. CritterMom<------da BEST!
I went clear to Fargo...AND Grand Forks...and no RR. I just ordered mine today from Henrys when I found it as I was ordering more blocks. It was like the clouds parted...and trumpets played....a shining white beam surrounded the bottle of Bachs Rescue Remedy! Angels sang and rejoiced!

[momma2boo]

I would also invest in a bottle of Bach's Rescue Remedy. Get the spray - it looks like a breath spray. You can get it at most health food stores. Don't buy the animal stuff, get the spray container of regular rescue remedy. When the seizures start, spray the bottoms of her hind feet with it, and spritz some on your finger and rub it in her lips/gums. It won't stop the seizure but it will help her deal with the fear aspect. You can't use too much so don't worry - just get some on and if you can, a little in her mouth (it works transdermally so it will be absorbed through the feet, but mucous membranes in the mouth are the fastest route).

Do you have a good, sympathetic vet?

I prefer the liquid with the dropper. Easier to get in the mouth. I would only do a drop orally since there is alcohol in it (the carrier).

:goodpost CritterMom! I was going to recommend it but then when I started to read your post I just knew you'd mention the miracle drug. :D

[Rainy9]

Next time you place an order at Henrys, she has RR at the best price I have found - I usually pay about $17.99 for a sprayer of it (which lasts a LONG time). Like I said, it won't do anything for the seizures but that shaky, terrified feeling that becomes a negative feedback loop - it will help short circuit that.

LOL...and there I was talking about using it on myself. I must have gotten a bit excited when I saw the words Rescue Remedy and accidently skipped over the part where you said it wouldn't help with the seizures. Oppsies! But yes, I agree, getting rid of the fear is important....I can deal with mine, but baby could use some help.

[stosh2010]

No Advice. ..don't know enough..but LOTS of PRAYERS & LOVE
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[Rainy9]

Just a little update on Totoro:

Late yesterday afternoon, I found her sweating from the mouth. Poor little baby was too hot! I thought it was strange that she was so hot, yet she hadn't moved over to the cooler side of the box. Fever? It crossed my mind...but that wasn't it. I took her out, dried her face and let her cool off a bit. Then I gave her a bit of honey mixed with a little warm water. She perked up immediatly!...trying to chew on everything like a little spaz (that's the girl I remember!) Seemed like she was her old self again, till I set her down to get her formula syringe ready. I just wanted to cry. The poor thing is not using her front legs and paws at all now! Just scootching around on her belly using her hind legs, which isn't working very well for her. She doesn't seem to be able to get where she wants to be. I took her too the bathroom sink and lowered her into some warm water and massaged her aching little muscles (arms, legs chest and fingers/toes). She really enjoyed it. I noticed once her forearms were wet through the fur that she had swelling and a red/purple bruise on the inner side of each one. I guess the strain and constant contractions of her muscles was hard enough on her to cause this.

I'm really hoping that this will heal and is not permanent damage. I massage her lightly every now and then to try and help. She got too have her first cheerio yesterday (I was hoping it would help work out the kinks in her fingers)...wishing the timming could have been better, but she enjoyed it none the less...got it nice and mooshey:D

I sewed her a new bed quickely yesterday. She needed something that she could slide around on easily so she wouldn't get stuck in a hot or cold area. It looks like a really tiny version of a stuffed doggy bed, with bumpers on three sides to help prop herself up and one open end so she can slide in and out of the bed when I remove it from her box. Last night she did good on it, but it's hard to tell if she really likes it or not because she is a bit down in spirits. Maru is also down. She runs around playing but then stops, lays down and looks all sad when she sees her sister trying to walk around. She really cares about her sissy. Maru does NOT like the new bed though! lol! she misses curling up in all the blankets...but I didnt want to take any chances with Totoro getting stuck, so I just spread one blanket flat over the top of the bed.

[mugzeezma]

She needs Phenobarbital for the seizing. I have some old Depakote from my son. That would be absolutely last resort. Seizures destroy the parts of the brain that are misfiring and the more seizures she has...
All I know, and it isn't much, is to get her blood sugar back up every time she seizes. They take a great deal of energy.

[CritterMom]

Yeah - that's why I suggested getting some syrup of some kind that you can have right there. Even simple syrup (table sugar and water) will do.

[Rainy9]

She needs Phenobarbital for the seizing. I have some old Depakote from my son. That would be absolutely last resort. Seizures destroy the parts of the brain that are misfiring and the more seizures she has...
All I know, and it isn't much, is to get her blood sugar back up every time she seizes. They take a great deal of energy.

Stosh...thank you for your prayers and love! She really needs it.:grouphug

CR...The syrup thingy is great:thankyou . The honey really seemed to give her back lots of energy.

Mugz...I am working seeing a vet for the phenobarbital. I really hope that I won't have to use any though. Thank you for your help. :Love_Icon

My mother in law just heard what happend and mentioned that she had something called Nutrical..nutri-cal? She said it was prescribed for her baby yorkie (she couldn't remember exactly what the ordeal was...it's been a few years, but said it was supposed to help keep blood sugar levels good or something?). It is also a type that would be applied oraly to the gums. She said the instructions said it was for dogs and cats. Just wondering if any of you have heard of this nutrical before and of you think it would be okay...I will read up on it though.

Another thing my mother in law brought to attention is that Totoros arms...It might actually be nerve damage. I hope not. :(

[Rainy9]

This is what I found about Nutrical. I'm not really sure that it is nessicary but.....what do you guys think? I guess the benefit would be that she gets a little extra calories which might help since her body is probably pretty depleted. She doesn't have problems eating, but even with the rehydration fluids, the syrup and her FV...she is still very limp and smallish.


Nutrical is a high calorie, low volume dietary supplement for dogs and cats that won't eat. It provides an additional source of energy for hunting and working dogs. Dosage: To use as a supplement - Give 1 and 1/2 teaspoons per 10 lbs. body weight once a day. To use when your pet is not eating well - Give 3 teaspoons per 10 lbs. body weight. Each teaspoon of Nutri-Cal equals 30 calories of nutrition. Available in 4.25 oz. tube.


Indications and Usage: Nutri-Cal is a high calorie palatable dietary supplement used to provide supplemental caloric and nutritional intake in dogs and cats. It is also used to provide an added source of energy in hunting and working dogs. For Dogs And Cats Who Will not Eat or need An Added Source Of Energy. Great For Sporting And Working Dogs, Pregnant Or Ill Dogs And Cats, and the picky eater.
NurtiCalt Side Effects:
There are no reported side effects

[jo_schmoe]

Stosh...thank you for your prayers and love! She really needs it.:grouphug

CR...The syrup thingy is great:thankyou . The honey really seemed to give her back lots of energy.

Mugz...I am working seeing a vet for the phenobarbital. I really hope that I won't have to use any though. Thank you for your help. :Love_Icon

My mother in law just heard what happend and mentioned that she had something called Nutrical..nutri-cal? She said it was prescribed for her baby yorkie (she couldn't remember exactly what the ordeal was...it's been a few years, but said it was supposed to help keep blood sugar levels good or something?). It is also a type that would be applied oraly to the gums. She said the instructions said it was for dogs and cats. Just wondering if any of you have heard of this nutrical before and of you think it would be okay...I will read up on it though.

Another thing my mother in law brought to attention is that Totoros arms...It might actually be nerve damage. I hope not. :(

You poor girl!! All your posts and comments are so delightful and you have such a kind spirit!! I sure hope nothing is wrong with the arms.:(
Just remember if anything is wrong....their recuperative powers are awesome. Im not sure about the nutri cal. Maybe one of the experts will see this and answer for you better. Give her a huge belly kiss from me. Poor baby.

[mugzeezma]

This is what I found about Nutrical. I'm not really sure that it is nessicary but.....what do you guys think? I guess the benefit would be that she gets a little extra calories which might help since her body is probably pretty depleted. She doesn't have problems eating, but even with the rehydration fluids, the syrup and her FV...she is still very limp and smallish.


Nutrical is a high calorie, low volume dietary supplement for dogs and cats that won't eat. It provides an additional source of energy for hunting and working dogs. Dosage: To use as a supplement - Give 1 and 1/2 teaspoons per 10 lbs. body weight once a day. To use when your pet is not eating well - Give 3 teaspoons per 10 lbs. body weight. Each teaspoon of Nutri-Cal equals 30 calories of nutrition. Available in 4.25 oz. tube.


Indications and Usage: Nutri-Cal is a high calorie palatable dietary supplement used to provide supplemental caloric and nutritional intake in dogs and cats. It is also used to provide an added source of energy in hunting and working dogs. For Dogs And Cats Who Will not Eat or need An Added Source Of Energy. Great For Sporting And Working Dogs, Pregnant Or Ill Dogs And Cats, and the picky eater.
NurtiCalt Side Effects:
There are no reported side effects
I used Ensure plus Vanilla flavored. It worked well with the animal that had seizure issues. Her's were horrible and frequent Grand Mal caused by parasites.

[mugzeezma]

I used Ensure plus Vanilla flavored. It worked well with the animal that had seizure issues. Her's were horrible and frequent Grand Mal caused by parasites.
Can you get a fecal float done on her?
I dewormed that particular little girl with pp/P and put her on SMZ-TMP and her seizures abated the next day. Fecal float found tapeworms...dead :wott
While Toturo is more than likely a head trauma issue it can't hurt to check it out.

[Rainy9]

Can you get a fecal float done on her?
I dewormed that particular little girl with pp/P and put her on SMZ-TMP and her seizures abated the next day. Fecal float found tapeworms...dead :wott
While Toturo is more than likely a head trauma issue it can't hurt to check it out.

Ensure sounds like a good idea....esspecialy since I'm not sure about the nutrical. Just curious..what exactly is a fecal float?

If she does have parsites, I will want to treat both squirrels, yes?

[Rainy9]

You poor girl!! All your posts and comments are so delightful and you have such a kind spirit!! I sure hope nothing is wrong with the arms.:(
Just remember if anything is wrong....their recuperative powers are awesome. Im not sure about the nutri cal. Maybe one of the experts will see this and answer for you better. Give her a huge belly kiss from me. Poor baby.
The amazing powers of the baby squirrel belly....administering kisses now:D

[jo_schmoe]

Click on this link. It tells you all you need to know about fecal floats.
http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/fecal-flotation.html

[jo_schmoe]

The amazing powers of the baby squirrel belly....administering kisses now:D

Its like a drug for me!!! And its legal....well...sorta! hahaha

[Rainy9]

Click on this link. It tells you all you need to know about fecal floats.
http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/fecal-flotation.html

:thankyou

Belly kisses...legal? Hmmm, I guess it depends on what state you are in? LOL!

[mugzeezma]

Its like a drug for me!!! And its legal....well...sorta! hahaha
Hey
it's all legal if you don't get caught...oooh did I type that out loud?:D

[jo_schmoe]

:thankyou

Belly kisses...legal? Hmmm, I guess it depends on what state you are in? LOL!

LMAO....thats why I said well....sorta! And while we are on the "legal" issue ( im in a state that fortunately doesnt care about what Im doing...or so said the Fish and Game ) If at anytime it ever comes down to it....I will hide my babies and go to jail if I have to. My moral law far over rides any written law...and I answer to a much higher authority. My hubby and have agreed that we would BOTH go to jail for our kids. I can guarantee there would be all of our hippy friends protesting outside the courthouse!! My parents too!! Ok...I'll stop rambling now...its just my nature as I was raised by two old school hippy parents! :peace

[jo_schmoe]

Hey
it's all legal if you don't get caught...oooh did I type that out loud?:D


HAHAHAHAHA! I didnt see or hear a thing!! hehehehe...stickin it to the man....soft and gently of course!

[mugzeezma]

Ensure sounds like a good idea....esspecialy since I'm not sure about the nutrical. Just curious..what exactly is a fecal float?

If she does have parsites, I will want to treat both squirrels, yes?
Ensure PLUS! More better stuff.

Good site Jo that should be stickied
I had to laugh at this little remark on there though...

NEW! - Visit our great Fecal Float Parasite Pictures Gallery!

I would treat both yes. Pyrantel Pamoate/praziquantel for kitten, puppies, very small dose. You will need to weigh her. The dose will be very very small. I used .02cc on a 10 month old.

[mugzeezma]

HAHAHAHAHA! I didnt see or hear a thing!! hehehehe...stickin it to the man....soft and gently of course!
That sounds dirty!

[jo_schmoe]

Ensure PLUS! More better stuff.

Good site Jo that should be stickied
I had to laugh at this little remark on there though...

NEW! - Visit our great Fecal Float Parasite Pictures Gallery!

I would treat both yes. Pyrantel Pamoate/praziquantel for kitten, puppies, very small dose. You will need to weigh her. The dose will be very very small. I used .02cc on a 10 month old.

Well if they needed an audience that would appreciate poop....that would be us!!!

[jo_schmoe]

That sounds dirty!

So as not to get caught....more of a sneaky maneuver!! Geesh Mugz....where is your mind?? You been hangin out with my hubby or somethin?? LMAO

[mugzeezma]

:poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop
Well if they needed an audience that would appreciate poop....that would be us!!!:poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop

[mugzeezma]

So as not to get caught....more of a sneaky maneuver!! Geesh Mugz....where is your mind?? You been hangin out with my hubby or somethin?? LMAO
Nah...I'm just a dirty old lady :D

[jo_schmoe]

Nah...I'm just a dirty old lady :D
:D :wott :D
You my lady are a RIOT!

[mugzeezma]

:D :wott :D
You my lady are a RIOT!
Takes one to know one :Welcome
... on that note I'm hauling my ol' booty to bed!
Hoping little T gets through this.

[Rainy9]

Ensure PLUS! More better stuff.

Good site Jo that should be stickied
I had to laugh at this little remark on there though...

NEW! - Visit our great Fecal Float Parasite Pictures Gallery!

I would treat both yes. Pyrantel Pamoate/praziquantel for kitten, puppies, very small dose. You will need to weigh her. The dose will be very very small. I used .02cc on a 10 month old.

LOL! Ya'll are funny!

Mmmmm! Parasite Picture Gallery! Ahhhh! I didn't want to look, but I did anyways. Graphic....but informative! Do we have a "bleh" vomiting smiley? Need one here.

How do you go about adding the ensure to their diet. Do you mix a certain amount into her formula? Or just feed a cc or two to her separatly?

[mugzeezma]

LOL! Ya'll are funny!

Mmmmm! Parasite Picture Gallery! Ahhhh! I didn't want to look, but I did anyways. Graphic....but informative! Do we have a "bleh" vomiting smiley? Need one here.

How do you go about adding the ensure to their diet. Do you mix a certain amount into her formula? Or just feed a cc or two to her separatly?
I've seen quite enough up close and personal...didn't look...I have this phobia that the worst things I look at will get stuck on my screen saver
(insert barfing smiley here______)
Ensure PLUS
Give it to her after a seizure...a few cc's. Don't want to cause any other issues.
Yeah, you have to pay a bazillion dollars for a can and only use a couple of teaspoons...hmmm....coffee creamer?
side note:
Fox Valley makes a decent creamer :D

[Rainy9]

Fox Valley makes a decent creamer :D

Seriously!? LOL! I have thought about tasting it. Wondering if it works the way ground coffee does. Smells better than it tastes.

[Rainy9]

I found a vet that will see her....but he said only under the supervision of a rehabber. I tried to get ahold of one in my town, but no answer phone! so the vet was nice enough to give me the number of another person to try. Still waiting on a response.

In the meantime, we are still doing lots of massage and exercising her little arms and paws by slowley extending and retracting the the arms(dont want her to have bad muscle loss if her feeling does come back).

We sat on a quilt under some oak trees in my backyard yesterday (not sure if this is advisable or not?) to get some fresh air. The sounds of little birds and squirrels in neighboring trees seemed to make her want to try moving around(with more effort than I have seen previously). I do think the new sounds frightened her a bit, but was glad to see her putting forth some effort. She is learning to lift herself upright and is trying to figure out how to scooch around better.

One of her arms seems to be working better than before...she can unfurl the paw and push upwards slightly on it. Going forwards is still hard though, and because she has the one arm that kind of works....she ends up veering in one direction.

Here's a video of her when I took them outside. (Maru's in there too...up to her usual shenanigins of course!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU7pWRAGzg

[mugzeezma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU7pWRAGzg
OMG that John Mayer version of Free Fallin' is so perfect I almost cried!
Oh little Toturo :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
the first thing i thought of was that maybe when she hit the ground she broke her clavicle/collar bones I wish you could get some Xrays off this baby.
Will she let you lay her on her back and let you feel her chest? Check for any bumps or swelling. Her shoulders may even be broken if she hit the ground hard enough on pavement.

[CritterMom]

OMG that John Mayer version of Free Fallin' is so perfect I almost cried!
Oh little Toturo :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
the first thing i thought of was that maybe when she hit the ground she broke her clavicle/collar bones I wish you could get some Xrays off this baby.
Will she let you lay her on her back and let you feel her chest? Check for any bumps or swelling. Her shoulders may even be broken if she hit the ground hard enough on pavement.


Can't watch youtube at work...but wasn't she moving fine, then had the seizure and now can't; or has she had this problem from the start?

[Rainy9]

Can't watch youtube at work...but wasn't she moving fine, then had the seizure and now can't; or has she had this problem from the start?

Yep...she was a perfect little pinky when I found her. They landed in carpet grass when they fell.

@mugz....she does like to lie back in my hand and I have checked over and over for anything that feels abnormal. No strange bumps or swelling. I still want to get x-rays anyways.

(I love that version of free fallin!:Love_Icon )

[mugzeezma]

Yep...she was a perfect little pinky when I found her. They landed in carpet grass when they fell.

@mugz....she does like to lie back in my hand and I have checked over and over for anything that feels abnormal. No strange bumps or swelling. I still want to get x-rays anyways.

(I love that version of free fallin!:Love_Icon )
My fingers are itchin' hearing that I have to play that one now.

Hmmm ... only thing I can think of is what the vet at the clinic referred to as Baylis. Parasites can cause seizures and brain damage depending on where they end up. It cannot hurt to deworm them both.

[Skul]

Rainy, I might suggest giving a little calcium boost.
Just a precautionary.
Please do it asap.

[Rainy9]

Rainy, I might suggest giving a little calcium boost.
Just a precautionary.
Please do it asap.

I'm fixing to order some things from squirrelsandmore.com . There are a bunch of different kinds of calcium supplements and I don't know which is right. Could you take a look and let me know? Thanks so much! I think calcium is a great idea.

[CritterMom]

This is what you want:
http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/product/557/pure-calcium-carbonate.htm

You should be able to buy calcium carbonate or calcium citrate without the Vitamin D at a health food store, too - and it is normally sold as a powder (which is a lot easier than crushing pills).

That said, since Toturo is still on formula, I kind of doubt it is a calcium issue. You usually see that when they start refusing formula and you have failed to get them on a good quality rodent block. Adding a little won't hurt but don't go nuts - you can give too much calcium, too. I am eager to see if the Ventri-DMG will help.

[Rainy9]

This is what you want:
http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/product/557/pure-calcium-carbonate.htm

You should be able to buy calcium carbonate or calcium citrate without the Vitamin D at a health food store, too - and it is normally sold as a powder (which is a lot easier than crushing pills).

That said, since Toturo is still on formula, I kind of doubt it is a calcium issue. You usually see that when they start refusing formula and you have failed to get them on a good quality rodent block. Adding a little won't hurt but don't go nuts - you can give too much calcium, too. I am eager to see if the Ventri-DMG will help.

:) Thank you CR! I am ordering now. Ya know, I really freaked when I was searching for the vetri-dmg. The first thing I came across was Maitake-DMG Liquid and I thought this was what I was supposed to get since it said made by vetriscience. The price was $89!!! Youch!! I felt better when I found the actual stuff...only $35. Phew! So , we are getting the vetri-dmg, bachs RR, and Pyrantel Pamoate for wormies. I don't know if I'm still gonna get the calc. supp. as you said....they are still on formula, pretty full time too since they haven't taken much intrest in other foods yet. Maru doesn't like the hhb's yet, but totoro likes to nom away on them. Not sure if she is actually ingesting it though.

[CritterMom]

Well, her price is pretty good - less than you would pay at a health food store...but it is a LOT of calcium! Henrys sells it in little packets for a couple dollars, too.

[mugzeezma]

Well, her price is pretty good - less than you would pay at a health food store...but it is a LOT of calcium! Henrys sells it in little packets for a couple dollars, too.
Rainy
I discussed Toturo with the vet 2day. there are a number of things that can bring on thee symptoms. We both agreed to deworm ASAP. Get the chewable tabs. i have used sentry wormXplus...30mg pyrantel pamoate/30mg praziquantel.
I crushed the tab add 1cc water and administered .02ccs
I hope it's not too late. The longer you put this off the worse it may get.
Babies on formula do not get MBD.
This could also be West Nile or a congenital failure
FYI
The vet I spoke to is the head Veterinarian at a facility that handles no less than 400 baby Sq each breeding season. I think she would know...

[Rainy9]

Get the chewable tabs. i have used sentry wormXplus...30mg pyrantel pamoate/30mg praziquantel.
I crushed the tab add 1cc water and administered .02ccs


Crud! So...are you saying I needed to get BOTH of those wormers? I got the pyrantel pamoate on it's way in the mail, but no sentry wormXplus. Is it gonna be okay with just the one? If not, let me know so I can order the other ASAP!

Sorry for the late response. Yesterday was minimal internet time for me...I was monitoring all the major mobility imporvments Totoro was making. It was amazing!

Thank you for talking with your vet. It really means alot. :)

[mugzeezma]

Crud! So...are you saying I needed to get BOTH of those wormers? I got the pyrantel pamoate on it's way in the mail, but no sentry wormXplus. Is it gonna be okay with just the one? If not, let me know so I can order the other ASAP!

Sorry for the late response. Yesterday was minimal internet time for me...I was monitoring all the major mobility imporvments Totoro was making. It was amazing!

Thank you for talking with your vet. It really means alot. :)
The praziquantel is what you really want more than anything. I purchased it at a place called pet supplies plus

[Rainy9]

The praziquantel is what you really want more than anything. I purchased it at a place called pet supplies plus

Thank you again mugz! pet supplies plus. cool. headed there now to order.

[Rainy9]

I just got the vetri-DMG in. Should I follow the directions it gives for birds?

It says:
One drop by mouth per 100 grams of body weight daily.

Totoro is just a tad over 200 grams.

[Rainy9]

[QUOTE=mugzeezma] Get the chewable tabs. i have used sentry wormXplus...30mg pyrantel pamoate/30mg praziquantel.
I crushed the tab add 1cc water and administered .02ccs
QUOTE]

Just got the senty worm x plus (chewable tabs). It seems I made a mistake when ordering them, because I ended up with 114mg/114mg tabs for large pets. Arg!

So I figured dosing would go like this: 114 divided by 30 = 3.8
So I would mix the crushed tab into 3.8 ccs of water instead of 1cc. And administer .02ccs

Does this sound correct?

[mugzeezma]

[QUOTE=mugzeezma] Get the chewable tabs. i have used sentry wormXplus...30mg pyrantel pamoate/30mg praziquantel.
I crushed the tab add 1cc water and administered .02ccs
QUOTE]

Just got the senty worm x plus (chewable tabs). It seems I made a mistake when ordering them, because I ended up with 114mg/114mg tabs for large pets. Arg!

So I figured dosing would go like this: 114 divided by 30 = 3.8
So I would mix the crushed tab into 3.8 ccs of water instead of 1cc. And administer .02ccs

Does this sound correct?

NONONO hang let me figure this a couple different ways
what are their weights first?

[Rainy9]

[QUOTE=Rainy9]

NONONO hang let me figure this a couple different ways
what are their weights first?

226 grams
and
240 grams

[mugzeezma]

[QUOTE=mugzeezma] Get the chewable tabs. i have used sentry wormXplus...30mg pyrantel pamoate/30mg praziquantel.
I crushed the tab add 1cc water and administered .02ccs
QUOTE]

Just got the senty worm x plus (chewable tabs). It seems I made a mistake when ordering them, because I ended up with 114mg/114mg tabs for large pets. Arg!

So I figured dosing would go like this: 114 divided by 30 = 3.8
So I would mix the crushed tab into 3.8 ccs of water instead of 1cc. And administer .02ccs

Does this sound correct?
The dose for both is .01ccs when the tablet is crushed and dissolved in 1cc of water

[mugzeezma]

[QUOTE=Rainy9]
The dose for both is .01ccs when the tablet is crushed and dissolved in 1cc of water
I don't remember the animals weight from before but here is how it works

animals weight in kg X recommended dose (5mg/kg)

take that number X drug concentration (114mg/1ml)

in other words divide by 114 = volume of drug to administer.

follow up in 14 to 21 days