how to stop bleeding???

[babybleu]

took Chumpy for her teeth trim today and it didn't go so well... we thought that her tooth was bleeding (which happens sometimes) but I think that it may be her lip. Trim was at 1:30 and she's been napping on and off... rough day.. she keeps rubbing her face on things and starts bleeding again, is there something I can put on it to try to slow down the bleeding. I think it looks horrible too because it's mixing with the saliva, cuz she keeps licking. Sleeping now, but can I put some neosporin or somekind of antibiotic on it???

Thank you!!
Bleu

[babybleu]

I'm bumping this up in hopes that someone can give me some advice before I need it and am in a panic.

[astra]

bump again

[babybleu]

this is not a picture from today...

[NicoleVa]

FWIW I would try some cornstarch. It helps when the dog's nails are quicked and I would think would be fairly non-toxic. Then maybe dab a bit of neosporin on it.
Smiles
Nic

[babybleu]

thanx, Nic. I know that I have some quik stop which is used for nails but not sure how good that would be if injested. I think it burns too... If need be, I'll try the cornstarch ... I just don't want it to be a cakey mess and turn into like a plaster or something... I'm just so ready to freak out...

[Legomom]

If she's sleeping & not messing with it, I'd let it be for now. If it keeps up in the morning, hasn't scabbed up, etc. then try something like a slight patting of cornstarch. I don't think a little bit will hurt her if it's ingested. If you put something like Neosporin on it, it's not going to scab over & may continue bleeding due to the moisture. Just my .02. Good luck & keep us posted. :grouphug

[babybleu]

Thanx, Legomom... i'm not sure if she may have scratched it open with her back foot or from just rubbing it all over. I have blood everywhere.

[babybleu]

I pm'd Jackie in Tampa since she's the expert on the teeth trimming thing...

[Jackie in Tampa]

can you feel if teeth are jagged..they may need to be filed if they are sharp. They may be snagging her lip too.
Yes I use cornstarch on anything that's considered a small nip...
mostly toenails, which ALWAYS appear to be bleeding buckets...blood makes me nervous...I agree with Legomom about the suave.
sorry you two had a ruff day, maybe today all will be better!
:poke We def need more pics!!!She is beautiful!:)

[CritterMom]

Corn starch or flour - def not the quik-stop or any other styptic - it burns - use that ONLY for nails.

[babybleu]

She slept for the night and got up in the early afternoon. She wasn't up long, tho... couldn't eat very well... seems like she can't or won't open her mouth too big or it hurts, I think. She was just up for about and hour and tried to eat a muffin and some avacado, had a drink and went back to bed. What do I watch for as far as infection goes??? Fever? Activity level?

[Legomom]

Will she let you hold her still to examine her mouth? Burrito her if you have to, but see if you can get a good look at the size of the wound & location. Use your little finger to open her mouth or a popsicle stick. Check it every day for swelling, redness, warmth (more than usual) & any kind of drainage...these are all signs of infection. If you see them, get some antibiotics ASAP. Also, feel the edges of her teeth, if they are jagged they need to be filed, just like Jackie said.

It could be the trauma of the whole experience which is making her tired. Think about when you get stressed out...when it's all said & done, most of us are exhausted after a stressful experience. If her teeth are sore from the cutting (and this has happened to Christine on one occasion - she didn't eat solid foods for almost 3 days), she will not want to open her mouth to chew. Offer her soft foods, even formula for a day or two to make sure she's getting the nutrition that she needs. :grouphug

[babybleu]

What kind of antibiotic?? I have some topical Bacitracin Zinc Ointment that the vet gave me. I don't want to traumatize her when she's resting so I'll see if she gets up within the next hour or so... she did have some frothy saliva earlier ...

[Jackie in Tampa]

infection will smell...bad foul breath...
I think Legomom meant oral ABs.
Yep, will she take formula...that's what I would try too.
I hope she is feeling better soon...

[Legomom]

Yes, I did mean an oral antibiotic, not an ointment.

[babybleu]

what's a good antibiotic that I can tell my vet to give me?? Never had a problem before.... boo hooo!!!!

[Legomom]

Don't get worked up yet, bb. Let's wait & see how the wound looks once you're able to see it. :grouphug

Baytril suspension 22.7 mg/ml is the antibiotic recommended for soft tissue, respiratory, bone infections & cat attack.
That's what you want. It's also called enrofloxacin. If you can't get the liquid form, accept whatever pill form they have
then come on here & check with the rehabbers on how to compound it yourself. (Getting it in liquid is the preferred method,
but sometimes we deal with what the vets are willing to give us.) :D

[babybleu]

She's still up in her nest sleeping... she doesn't want to come out... I've petted her a couple times but she's just not feeling up to anything. When she was out earlier, she was moving around well, climbing up to her nest, ... I want to get a look at her mouth but I may have to just make an appt with the vet for tomorrow and just have them help me out.

[Legomom]

Do you have some formula? Fox Valley is preferred but Esbilac will work since she's an adult. If you do, mix it up & draw it into a syringe, see if she'll take it. A meal in bed is always nice when you feel crappy.

My Christine had a rough trim a few months back. I learned from a rehabber that they do have nerves in their teeth, so if they were jarred around a bit during the trimming, her mouth/teeth is going to be sore.

If you're not comfortable trying to check her mouth (or she's not manageable) then it should be fine to wait until tomorrow, take her to the vet where there are more hands available to hold her & get a good look.
More than likely she'll be fine, but it never hurts to check & give yourself some peace of mind.

(Freaked me out like you wouldn't believe when my girl wouldn't eat anything but formula or yogurt mixed with formula for 3 days after that one trim. Luckily, Christine is pretty tame & I can look into her mouth without much - still some - fuss.) Good luck & let us know what you find out.

[babybleu]

She had a rough time once when a dentist gassed her and used a dremel. She wouldn't eat much for 3 days after. When she was up earlier, she did try to eat the muffin and did eat some... drank a little... peed on the counter... sat on my shoulder for a little bit... but I'm so freaked out that I keep looking at her mouth and she doesn't want me to touch it... she's makes noises when I do. She's very tame too and I can usually grab her bottom tooth and check her mouth a little when she's tired but this hurts and she's not having any part of it. I just feel so horrible that as difficult as it is to have to take her for trims, now it's even worse because my baby's hurt. I feel like I've made a bad situation worse....Here's a few recent pics of my Chumpy Mumps... what a doll..

[Legomom]

She's beautiful. :Love_Icon

I know what you mean about her hurting, but think of the alternative...what would happen if the teeth weren't trimmed? Not an option, right?
Could it be that on top of the discomfort the gas is still working out of her system? How does the vet trim her teeth? With clippers or still using the dremel?
I would think the vibrations of the dremel could be very uncomfortable. But, that's just my opinion.

Personally, if there's no active/visible bleeding, I'd just let her be tonight & see how she is in the morning.
Try to get some rest & let her get some, too. Hopefully, you'll both feel better tomorrow. :grouphug

[astra]

what a beautiful, beautiful squirrel!!!. Such a lovely face and rich dark colour, and very shiny...So beautiful!
...so sorry to hear she is in so much discomfort... maybe, indeed, it's better to let her be and see how it goes tomorrow, as long as there is no visible bleeding...

[babybleu]

I haven't seen any new blood today, but then she wasn't out much. The vet I take her to now doesn't think that the dremel is a good idea, because they get hot and also that the gas is not good for them in the long term on a regular basis (every 3 weeks) She uses side cutters that I bring because we want them to be real sharp. The vet that usually does them is on vacation so I had one that had done them a couple times do it... she's done a really good job in the past. I don't know what happened.... I'm gonna feel for her before I go to bed and make sure she's warm and breathing alright. I'm just so worried about her...

[astra]

yes, I remember reading a thread (or two), where people were sharing about tooth/nails clipping, and a few people stated that gas wasn't a good thing in the long run, and there is a way to trim teeth/nails without the gas... Gosh, wish I remembered which threads those were... they certainly used something to sedate the squirrel, and then could fairly easily do the trimming...
maybe, if you search forums for "tooth trimming/clipping" those posts would come up?... Poor Chumpy....

[babybleu]

I think I was in one of those threads... About a 1/2 hour before her appointment, I use Bach's Rescue Remedy and I rub some on her ear. It calms her down some but she still doesn't like to be restrained.

[babybleu]

she was up for about 10 minutes about 1/2 hour ago and I tried to get her to eat... I'm too pushy I guess, but it's because I'm worried about her... she got po'd at me and went back to bed...

[Mrs Skul]

:Flag
:wave123 Hi BB
:Love_Icon Your little girl is beautiful.:thumbsup I have always wonted black squirrels around. :D
Jackie has a milk shake she feeds. Have you tried feeding her some formula? Mix in some Heavy Whipping Cream and Vanilla Yogurt.
:Love_Icon They love the Cream and Yogurt. 1 TBS HeavyCrean 1/2 tsp Vanilla Yogurt. You can even put her favorite fruit in to it.
Use a syringe see if she will take it. While it is hot/worm! :thumbsup Have you tried Baby Food?
Also TinyPaws has a Flying Squirrel Tiffany. She has her teeth trimmed every 2 to 3 weeks.
When other Vets and Vet techs trim. She acts different. TP now will only let the 1 Vet trim. :thumbsup
It might take 24 to 48 hr. Be for she gets back to her old self. Next time when trimming happens. You your self feel her teeth.
See if they have sharp edges be for you leave. So they can fix it.
You might rub some RR on her ears and four arms. (Next 24 to 48 hr.) This will help her with the stress and pain.
Good Luck :grouphug
Your doing a wonderful job with her.

[astra]

How is she today?

[babybleu]

I had to pull her out of her nest ( she was awake but didn't want to come out... maybe she's still mad at me) and she sat in my hand on my chest and let me love her for a little bit. Tried to eat some regular stuff, had a little drink and now she's found a piece of a taco shell that he's munching down on. She did try to clean out my nail with her bottom tooth and I felt it, it's not sharp but she's seems like she's still having a hard time opening her mouth very wide. I just gave her a thin sliver of avacado and she ate most of it and went back to bed. Her bottom lip seems a little swollen from this picture.

[babybleu]

Just called the vet about Baytril... they have the pills but not the liquid. How much and how do I give this to her??

[babybleu]

Vets called, I'm picking up the baytril today... can I get (pill) dosage instructions???

[Jackie in Tampa]

:Love_Icon I can help dose with 22.7 mg tabs ...very easy..
get sqs weight in grams...an exact weight please and some 1 cc syringes...with legible lettering!
and a small pill or meds bottle from vet or pharmacy is best...
"easy to draw out of size container, with a syringe'...:thumbsup
PM me if no one else can help...
I will give you my phone number ...or I can call you..I have free long distance, maybe everyone does...:dono

with baytril...always give a proboitic..I use yogurt!
and why are you giving the baytril?:dono
not for the nail huh?

[Legomom]

Did you get a good close look at the bottom lip? It might have been nicked when the teeth were trimmed. If that's the case, swelling would be normal for a day or two. It doesn't necessarily indicate an infection. How does it feel? Does it feel hot to the touch? You don't want to start antibiotics until you're sure there is an infection. Her jaw may be sore if they had to hold her very tightly or opened her mouth very wide. If that's the case, metacam (pain relief/anti inflammatory) may be more effective than starting the antibiotic. Give Jackie a call or pm her your number. She can talk you through figuring out if she's in pain or developing an infection. (Jackie's my 'go to gal' when it comes to teeth, trimming & infections. She was an angel when I first realized last year that Christine's teeth were growing out of control & had poked the roof of her mouth causing an infection. Trust her!)

Give that sweet girl a kiss from me & Christine! :Love_Icon

[babybleu]

I just don't know what to do, she's been really scarce since Wednesday. What is the metcam? and where would I get that?

[babybleu]

got her out of her nest tonight, (manually) and she ate some peas, (halved) a piece of a taco shell, a little bit of a mushroom, had a drink, took a pee and went back to bed. We did get a chance to snuggle a little, tho.

[Mrs Skul]

Did you get a good close look at the bottom lip? It might have been nicked when the teeth were trimmed. If that's the case, swelling would be normal for a day or two. It doesn't necessarily indicate an infection. How does it feel? Does it feel hot to the touch? You don't want to start antibiotics until you're sure there is an infection. Her jaw may be sore if they had to hold her very tightly or opened her mouth very wide. If that's the case, metacam (pain relief/anti inflammatory) may be more effective than starting the antibiotic. Give Jackie a call or pm her your number. She can talk you through figuring out if she's in pain or developing an infection. (Jackie's my 'go to gal' when it comes to teeth, trimming & infections. She was an angel when I first realized last year that Christine's teeth were growing out of control & had poked the roof of her mouth causing an infection. Trust her!)

Give that sweet girl a kiss from me & Christine! :Love_Icon
:wave123 BB
Metacam Is for Pain Relief and a Anti Inflammatory!!! :thumbsup You get it from the Vet. When you call him. Let him know about her lip. Tell him that you think she is in Pain because of this. Not infection yet. Ask him for the Metacam. He should let you pick it up. :thumbsup
I hope she gets to feeling better soon! :grouphug