HELP MY POOR BABY

[pollinoe]

:dono hi guys i have 5 a month old grey squirrel named nugett hge still eats a 10cc tube of formula every morning and then mixed veggies, fruits(apples,peaches,strawberries blueberries), and squirrel blocks..........

anyways i woke up this mornin at 5 as usual fed him the formula kame home put new newspaper at the bottom of his cage made his bowl of mixed veggies and squirrell block and he is acting very tired and breathing heavy wat can i do no vet will see him in methuen mass i love him and couldnt bare if anything bad happend to him please help

[Nancy in New York]

:dono hi guys i have 5 a month old grey squirrel named nugett hge still eats a 10cc tube of formula every morning and then mixed veggies, fruits(apples,peaches,strawberries blueberries), and squirrel blocks..........

anyways i woke up this mornin at 5 as usual fed him the formula kame home put new newspaper at the bottom of his cage made his bowl of mixed veggies and squirrell block and he is acting very tired and breathing heavy wat can i do no vet will see him in methuen mass i love him and couldnt bare if anything bad happend to him please help

Let me see if I can find a vet...stay right here....

[JLM27]

Does he get enough natural light? Can you boost his calcium? Perhaps you should get a fecal test for parasites. Could you post a picture here of your baby so that others can see how he is looking overall?

Normally these things go to diet, and there is a thread here for squirrel nutrition that you should read. If he has MBD, you must act fast, because once they go downhill, they can get into lethal trouble very quickly and/or sustain neural damage.

[Secret Squirrel]

Sorry your baby is not feeling well....while Nancy is looking for a vet, can you put him in a small container and put a heating pad half under it on low. Keep him warm dark and quiet until you can get him some help.
Do you have a heating pad?

[Nancy in New York]

How close are you to Gorham Maine?
I just sent a PM to one of our members that lives in Glouster, she has a vet...am waiting to hear back...

[Pam]

Check this list of vets and see if you see one close to you. http://www.aemv.org/vetlist.cfm

[CritterMom]

How close are you to Gorham Maine?


90 miles - about 2 hours each way.

If he is taking a 10cc syringe of formula still, how likely is MBD?

Agree with Secret Squirrel - get him on a heating pad. Is he eating this morning? If so, just in case, I would push the formula with some added calcium if possible.

[PBluejay2]

:dono hi guys i have 5 a month old grey squirrel named nugett hge still eats a 10cc tube of formula every morning and then mixed veggies, fruits(apples,peaches,strawberries blueberries), and squirrel blocks..........

anyways i woke up this mornin at 5 as usual fed him the formula kame home put new newspaper at the bottom of his cage made his bowl of mixed veggies and squirrell block and he is acting very tired and breathing heavy wat can i do no vet will see him in methuen mass i love him and couldnt bare if anything bad happend to him please help

1. His diet sounds good (though you may want to cut back on the fruits a bit).

2. I assume you have raised this squirrel from a baby. I don't know what you mean by "tube," but is there any chance you have aspirated him in the past (gotten formula in his nose and lungs)? They tend to get aspiration pneumonia easily.

3. Can you describe the heavy breathing a little more. Are they deep, slow breaths or rapid, shallow breaths? Is there any noise made when he inhales?

4. How do his eyes look? Are they bright and wide open, or do they look a little dull, maybe look like he's tired and his eyelids are heavy?

5. Parasites are always a consideration. If at all possible, get a fecal exam done. You might call a vet and ask if he or she will do a fecal for your pet rat who is sick. If you can't get one done locally, I may be able to help you.

6. Have there been any changes to his environment--ANYTHING? New toys, things to chew on, foods? Have you been careful not to spray anything such as cleaners or pesticides near him?

A lot of questions, I know, but there are a lot of possibilities.

[Secret Squirrel]

I want back and looked at all your past posts and you had KFS in October....did you ever call Psycobird...(not sure if I spelled it right) for the KFS? Her is the number...they are close to you and are offering help....don't be afraid to take the help if you want your sweet Nugget to live. The vets in your area....as you said "will take him from you"....we don't want that....but you need help since he has had issues since October.

Call ASAP, Here is the number

give me a call, 978-879-4560.

[Nancy in New York]

I just sent a PM to her...she is on still I just don't know if she is refreshing her screen...at least this way she will also get alerted through email that there is help here....

[Nancy in New York]

I want back and looked at all your past posts and you had KFS in October....did you ever call Psycobird...(not sure if I spelled it right) for the KFS? Her is the number...they are close to you and are offering help....don't be afraid to take the help if you want your sweet Nugget to live. The vets in your area....as you said "will take him from you"....we don't want that....but you need help since he has had issues since October.

Call ASAP, Here is the number

give me a call, 978-879-4560.

Did you get a hold of Psychobird...she is the one that I PM'd for help...didn't know if she was home...

[pollinoe]

1. His diet sounds good (though you may want to cut back on the fruits a bit).

2. I assume you have raised this squirrel from a baby. I don't know what you mean by "tube," but is there any chance you have aspirated him in the past (gotten formula in his nose and lungs)? They tend to get aspiration pneumonia easily.

3. Can you describe the heavy breathing a little more. Are they deep, slow breaths or rapid, shallow breaths? Is there any noise made when he inhales?

4. How do his eyes look? Are they bright and wide open, or do they look a little dull, maybe look like he's tired and his eyelids are heavy?

5. Parasites are always a consideration. If at all possible, get a fecal exam done. You might call a vet and ask if he or she will do a fecal for your pet rat who is sick. If you can't get one done locally, I may be able to help you.

6. Have there been any changes to his environment--ANYTHING? New toys, things to chew on, foods? Have you been careful not to spray anything such as cleaners or pesticides near him?

A lot of questions, I know, but there are a lot of possibilities.
1 by tube i mean 10cc syringe

2 i raised him from a week his breaths are rapid shallow i hear a little ticking in his breaths

3 his eyes keep kind of nodding

[Secret Squirrel]

This is her orginal thread.....for those who are trying to figure this out. It may save some time.
Put him in a smaller container so he can't fall and hurt himself. Keep him warm and try to keep him from climbing. His bones may be brittle.



http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19807

[PBluejay2]

1 by tube i mean 10cc syringe

2 i raised him from a week his breaths are rapid shallow i hear a little ticking in his breaths

3 his eyes keep kind of nodding

A 10cc syringe is awfully big. I never use larger than a 3cc because it's so easy to aspirate them. The ticking sound is often a sign of respiratory problems. If I were you, I'd get this baby on antibiotics (Baytril or Sulfatrim/SMZ-TMP) as soon as possible. I believe others have offered you contacts to people who won't take your squirrel. Please waste no time!

[pollinoe]

as i said guys he ate this morning around 5 am and was fine now hes breathing wierd just wants to sleep and doesnt want his veggies or squirrel block i do hear a tick noise in his breaths i will drive up to an hour to get meds

[Sissy]

Here's the pic smaller

[Nancy in New York]

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SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOURS SISSY...GREAT MINDS...:)

[Sissy]

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SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOURS SISSY...GREAT MINDS...:)
:thumbsup No problems here.

[Nancy in New York]

I want back and looked at all your past posts and you had KFS in October....did you ever call Psycobird...(not sure if I spelled it right) for the KFS? Her is the number...they are close to you and are offering help....don't be afraid to take the help if you want your sweet Nugget to live. The vets in your area....as you said "will take him from you"....we don't want that....but you need help since he has had issues since October.

Call ASAP, Here is the number

give me a call, 978-879-4560.

Did you see this message and phone number???

[pollinoe]

Did you see this message and phone number???

i called and no answer

[pollinoe]

Did you get a hold of Psychobird...she is the one that I PM'd for help...didn't know if she was home...
no answr

[Secret Squirrel]

Did you leave a message ? I am sure she is busy but will call you back as soon as she can.

She may have the meds Nugget will need...if not she can get them for Nugget.
Can someone Please post the link for the MBD information ? I can't find it!! This may help but I think he needs antibiotic LIKE YESTERDAY!!!! Fingers crossed for you and your sweet Nugget.


no answr

[pollinoe]

Did you leave a message ? I am sure she is busy but will call you back as soon as she can.

She may have the meds Nugget will need...if not she can get them for Nugget.
Can someone Please post the link for the MBD information ? I can't find it!!

i left a message with my number i hope she will call me back soon

[Secret Squirrel]

I PMed her and hope she will be on soon.tinfoil

Did you get him on a heating pad and smaller cage yet ?

[pollinoe]

UPDATE EVRYONE HES NIBBLING ON A SLICE OF PEACH THEY R HIS FAV MAYBE HES GETTING BETTER

[pollinoe]

I PMed her and hope she will be on soon.tinfoil

Did you get him on a heating pad and smaller cage yet ?

Hes on his heatin pad in a blanket

[Nancy in New York]

OK How close are you to Gorham Maine...I have the number of a vet there...
Can you give this little one extra calcium...just incase it is MBD. If you have tums crush it up and syringe feed him...slowly over the next hour or so...slowly...

[CritterMom]

OK How close are you to Gorham Maine...I have the number of a vet there...
Can you give this little one extra calcium...just incase it is MBD. If you have tums crush it up and syringe feed him...slowly over the next hour or so...slowly...


Nancy - 90 miles - just under 2 hours.

[Nancy in New York]

Nancy - 90 miles - just under 2 hours.

OK I remember you saying that...sorry to be repeating...:thumbsup

[Secret Squirrel]

UPDATE EVRYONE HES NIBBLING ON A SLICE OF PEACH THEY R HIS FAV MAYBE HES GETTING BETTER

Appitite is a good sign, but he is one sick little boy. Fingers crossed, eyes crossed, legs crossed that you get a call soon from psycobird....she is usually here everyday. Nugget need to be looked at by a proffessional and soon.:grouphug

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http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: HELP MY BABY NUGGET
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Originally Posted by psychobird
havn't heard anything, any updates???


Hi everyone thank you all so much for ur help!!! sorry i havent updated recently but with a newborn baby puppy n squirrell it is hard..... nugget is doing great all his fur is growing back im so excited!!! ive been giving him esbilac n rodent blocks with an ocasional piece of apple or grape.... he is also back to sleeping on his heating pad which he has no problem with!!! Im starting to think he is a downs baby tho considering he always falls over while eating will drop his food in front of his face and have no idea where it is..... im not 100% but im pretty close i love him so much no matter what he is a sweety thank you all for your help!!!!!!!!!
FYI
Here is an older posts....Nugget has had trouble before.

[Nancy in New York]

[I]I'll get the link in one minute...here start here...

[Emergency Treatment for MBD

Get calcium into the squirrel IMMEDIATELY, not later, not tomorrow, NOW. Delaying treatment can cause death or permanent paralysis.

You will need:
-Tums or calcium pills (any kind)
-a syringe, eyedropper, or spoon
Crush one pill and add a little water or fruit juice. Use the syringe, eyedropper, or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone. The first day, give a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, spread throughout the day/night to maintain blood calcium levels.

Important!

1. Any kind of calcium pill is okay for the initial dose. But you must use PLAIN calcium pills (without Vit D) from then on.

2. Try to give many small doses of calcium throughout the day/night to keep blood calcium levels as steady as possible.

3. If seizures or paralysis worsen or return, give another emergency dose.

The acute symptoms (weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis) will usually improve within a few hours, but this does not mean the squirrel is cured. It will take many months to rebuild the calcium in the bones.

/I]

[4skwerlz]

With a history of KFS, it could be MBD. If his calcium was marginal to begin with, any little change in the diet or even a growth spurt, can trigger full-blown MBD. Suggest you start the Emergency Treatment below immediately. It won't hurt him, and if he improves then MBD is the likely cause.

Emergency Treatment for MBD

Get calcium into the squirrel IMMEDIATELY, not later, not tomorrow, NOW. Delaying treatment can cause death or permanent paralysis.

You will need:
-Tums or calcium pills (any kind)
-a syringe, eyedropper, or spoon
Crush one pill and add a little water or fruit juice. Use the syringe, eyedropper, or spoon to force-feed the mixture, a little at a time, until it is all gone. The first day, give a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, spread throughout the day/night to maintain blood calcium levels.

Important!

1. Any kind of calcium pill is okay for the initial dose. But you must use PLAIN calcium pills (without Vit D) from then on.

2. Try to give many small doses of calcium throughout the day/night to keep blood calcium levels as steady as possible.

3. If seizures or paralysis worsen or return, give another emergency dose.

The acute symptoms (weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis) will usually improve within a few hours, but this does not mean the squirrel is cured. It will take many months to rebuild the calcium in the bones.


Long-Term Treatment for MBD

The next step to curing MBD is to fix the diet.

1. Remove ALL seeds, nuts, corn, and treats.

2. Follow the Healthy Diet For Pet Squirrels, which can be found at the top of the “Squirrel Nutrition” forum. (http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16093) Your squirrel MUST eat rodent block or squirrel blocks every day. If your squirrel doesn't like rodent blocks, you can try crushing them up with peanut butter or avocado temporarily. You can also make a tastier version of squirrel blocks using the recipe at the top of the Squirrel Nutrition forum.

3. In addition to the Healthy Diet, you will need to continue giving extra calcium every day for several weeks. Either use the syringe/eyedropper or you can try putting the calcium on a small piece of fruit.
Week 1: calcium = 500 mg per day
Week 2: calcium = 250 mg per day
Weeks 3-8: calcium = 100 mg per day
If acute symptoms—weakness, lethargy, seizures, paralysis—return at any time, you will need to give another emergency dose of calcium.

More Tips
MBD causes brittle bones that break easily. Try to keep your squirrel away from high places, where he might jump and break a bone. Also, if he is in a tall cage, either place him in a smaller cage, or pad the bottom very well.

Heat is very soothing for a squirrel with MBD. A heating pad turned to low and placed so they cannot chew the pad or cord, or a rice buddy (a sock filled with dry rice/beans and microwaved for about 20 seconds) will work.

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Originally Posted by psychobird
havn't heard anything, any updates???


Hi everyone thank you all so much for ur help!!! sorry i havent updated recently but with a newborn baby puppy n squirrell it is hard..... nugget is doing great all his fur is growing back im so excited!!! ive been giving him esbilac n rodent blocks with an ocasional piece of apple or grape.... he is also back to sleeping on his heating pad which he has no problem with!!! Im starting to think he is a downs baby tho considering he always falls over while eating will drop his food in front of his face and have no idea where it is..... im not 100% but im pretty close i love him so much no matter what he is a sweety thank you all for your help!!!!!!!!!
FYI
Here is an older posts....Nugget has had trouble before.


Thanks...it's good to know the history...helps us better evaluate for what is happening now....and NOW is the key...:grouphug

[pollinoe]

Thanks...it's good to know the history...helps us better evaluate for what is happening now....and NOW is the key...:grouphug

ok guys im goin out to get some tums be back in ten min

[Nancy in New York]

ok guys im goin out to get some tums be back in ten min
Well be here!!!:thumbsup

[pollinoe]

he took the calcium pill with a little juice n loved it kuz he loves juice he is now acting hungry nibling n wondering a little:jump :jump

[pollinoe]

he took the calcium pill with a little juice n loved it kuz he loves juice he is now acting hungry nibling n wondering a little:jump :jump
although hes not actually eating liek normally he does all day long

[Nancy in New York]

he took the calcium pill with a little juice n loved it kuz he loves juice he is now acting hungry nibling n wondering a little:jump :jump
OK...that's good how much calcium did you give him?
Remember below:

The first day, give a total of 600-800 mg of calcium, spread throughout the day/night to maintain blood calcium levels.

[Secret Squirrel]

Good...calcuim for MBD. How is his breathing?

[Nancy in New York]

Now if he does have MBD this is slow to correct. He may be better now...which is good, but you have a lot of work ahead of you...:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

If you talk to psychobird...please see if you can get him into her vets. We are only guessing that this is MBD, but to be on the safe side, perhaps get him to a vet and have him totally checked out. These little ones can go downhill really fast and most of the time then it is just too late...
Also, please stay with us so that you can get helpful input with your little ones progress...if things are fine with him...just stop in once a week...:D Also if you do have a new problem with him...please reference your other posts so we know his history...that is really helpful in knowing what new ailment we are dealing with, if in fact it is new...:grouphug

[Secret Squirrel]

I am worried about his breathing..if wheezing than antibiotics are needed...as in urgently.
He may have pnumonia on top of MBD... I sure hope psycobird gets here in time.

[Nancy in New York]

I am worried about his breathing..if wheezing than antibiotics are needed...as in urgently.
He may have pnumonia on top of MBD... I sure hope psycobird gets here in time.

Exactly...we often only think of one thing...but many times there is more than one thing going on...could very well be the case because MBD doesn't cause wheezing...

[PBluejay2]

I am worried about his breathing..if wheezing than antibiotics are needed...as in urgently.
He may have pnumonia on top of MBD... I sure hope psycobird gets here in time.

While pneumonia doesn't preclude the possibility this baby has MBD, the symptoms are pneumonia and should be treated as such. No offense to anyone, but if the symptoms are respiratory, as one vet said, "Treat for pneumonia until the evidence proves otherwise." We've lost or nearly lost squirrels before who had respiratory problems/pneumonia symptoms while we guessed at the cause--cleaners, allergies, bedding, detergents, MBD, etc.

[pollinoe]

i just walked into the kitchen n saw the little piggy i kno

awww hes mowing down

[Nancy in New York]

While pneumonia doesn't preclude the possibility this baby has MBD, the symptoms are pneumonia and should be treated as such. No offense to anyone, but if the symptoms are respiratory, as one vet said, "Treat for pneumonia until the evidence proves otherwise." We've lost or nearly lost squirrels before who had respiratory problems/pneumonia symptoms while we guessed at the cause--cleaners, allergies, bedding, detergents, MBD, etc.

Excellent point...and there are no problems with treating it as such even if it's not...it won't kill him to have an antibiotic...this once :D

[Nancy in New York]

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[Nancy in New York]

While pneumonia doesn't preclude the possibility this baby has MBD, the symptoms are pneumonia and should be treated as such. No offense to anyone, but if the symptoms are respiratory, as one vet said, "Treat for pneumonia until the evidence proves otherwise." We've lost or nearly lost squirrels before who had respiratory problems/pneumonia symptoms while we guessed at the cause--cleaners, allergies, bedding, detergents, MBD, etc.


Did you see this???

We need to get this little one on antibiotics...fast

[pollinoe]

Did you see this???

We need to get this little one on antibiotics...fast


where can i get antibiotics that he needs i will do whatever it takes i recently lost my daughter and he was my comfort with that i can not loose him to :(

[Nancy in New York]

where can i get antibiotics that he needs i will do whatever it takes i recently lost my daughter and he was my comfort with that i can not loose him to :(
OMG I am so very sorry to hear this...I know that there will be no mail tomorrow...let's see if we can get some to you...I currently have none. Have you heard from psychobird?
Do you have smaller syringes to feed him? Even though you think they can accept a larger one, they are too fast and this may cause aspiration...:grouphug

[4skwerlz]

Acute MBD affects all the organs, including heart and lung function. By all means, get ABs in case it's pneumonia. Does seem a little unlikely for a squirrel with pneumonia so bad that he's collapsed, to improve that quickly after getting calcium. Still, can't diagnose by the internet, so by all means get the ABs. I just wanted to point out that MBD can cause probs with body temp, circulation, heartbeat, breathing, digestion, everything.

If his MBD was severe enough to cause breathing problems, then it is VERY bad, and IMO the calcium should be given in small doses throughout the day and night for the next few days. He will be at very high risk of dropping his blood calcium again at any time.

[pollinoe]

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE IMPUT AND HELP!!!!!!!!

i still havent talked to physco bird i gave him 300 mg of calcium so far and will keep it up for a few days hes acting fine now not breathing fast heart beat seems good

and he wasnt weezing it was more of a ticking noise in the breath i dont think he was aspirated because ive had him since he was one week old and he actually has never choked esp to the point that he sneezes isnt that wat would cause aspiration anyways he is having some more mixed veggies and henrys health blocks i will keep you all updated and again thank you so so so much:jump :multi :bowdown

[Nancy in New York]

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE IMPUT AND HELP!!!!!!!!

i still havent talked to physco bird i gave him 300 mg of calcium so far and will keep it up for a few days hes acting fine now not breathing fast heart beat seems good

and he wasnt weezing it was more of a ticking noise in the breath i dont think he was aspirated because ive had him since he was one week old and he actually has never choked esp to the point that he sneezes isnt that wat would cause aspiration anyways he is having some more mixed veggies and henrys health blocks i will keep you all updated and again thank you so so so much:jump :multi :bowdown
Oh yes please keep us posted. Do you have a friend that may have any kind of antibiotic for an animal...we could help you dose it? I still think it would be a good thing to be on the safe side just to get some into him...:grouphug

[CritterMom]

Do keep trying to get in touch with Psychobird - it is NY Eve and many people aren't where they normally are.

If you run out of Tums, you can grind up and use the same calcium pills you probably take (most women SHOULD anyway). And keep him warm - he needs to stay on that heating pad.

This always happens on holiday weekends when you can't get help.:shakehead

[PBluejay2]

Acute MBD affects all the organs, including heart and lung function. By all means, get ABs in case it's pneumonia. Does seem a little unlikely for a squirrel with pneumonia so bad that he's collapsed, to improve that quickly after getting calcium. Still, can't diagnose by the internet, so by all means get the ABs. I just wanted to point out that MBD can cause probs with body temp, circulation, heartbeat, breathing, digestion, everything.

If his MBD was severe enough to cause breathing problems, then it is VERY bad, and IMO the calcium should be given in small doses throughout the day and night for the next few days. He will be at very high risk of dropping his blood calcium again at any time.

MBD usually has a gradual onset of symptoms, and none of the other symptoms (except in the past history) have been disclosed that I remember. If it were acute MBD, more than likely the baby would present other, more common symptoms--trembling, panicky behavior, other neurological symptoms, at least partial paralysis. Maybe in your experience rehabbing squirrels with MBD you've seen otherwise, but in my experience I have not. The diet seems good, including HHBs. Again, however, one disorder does not preclude the existence of the other.

[4skwerlz]

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE IMPUT AND HELP!!!!!!!!

i still havent talked to physco bird i gave him 300 mg of calcium so far and will keep it up for a few days hes acting fine now not breathing fast heart beat seems good

and he wasnt weezing it was more of a ticking noise in the breath i dont think he was aspirated because ive had him since he was one week old and he actually has never choked esp to the point that he sneezes isnt that wat would cause aspiration anyways he is having some more mixed veggies and henrys health blocks i will keep you all updated and again thank you so so so much:jump :multi :bowdown

That's great. Remember, with a past history of possible KFS, he is more prone to MBD than normal. The regular Healthy Diet isn't enough; he would need extra calcium for a while.

You should still try to figure out if pneumonia is a possibility; one of the rehabbers here can help you do that.

If it's not pneumonia, we should go into his diet and history in more detail. A normal squirrel eating blocks (assuming he's actually eating them) wouldn't develop MBD unless something else in the diet is way off balance. But if his calcium was low to begin with, it takes a long time to rebuild the bones--many months--and until then, he could get MBD at any time even while eating the healthy diet unless given extra calcium.

Hope this is clear. It's just my opinion based on the history I saw.

[rygel1hardt]

Rapid breathing can also be a sign of pain which may or may not be MBD related. I do think we need more info and she really needs to get this squirrel to a vet ASAP!

[CritterMom]

There is a bit of a logistical problem here. It is New Years Eve. I don't know about you, but the soonest I could get to my vet would be Monday, and it doesn't matter HOW bad it was.

It doesn't replace professional medical help, but you have a lot of people on here with a lot of knowledge and experience. You would be surprised what they can accomplish when they get rolling. And sometimes, conditions dictate that this is the only option, unfortunately.

[psychobird]

i was popular yesterday wow! i'm so sorry i wasn't able to help yesterday, my honey had nightmare divorce court, which turned out great but i didn't get home till much later in the afternoon, and didn't check my puter till this morning.
i called emily back when i got home and it sounds like he was better, after scrambling thru my paper work to see who named emily brought me a squirrel this year.
give me a call again emily, i know a bunch of rehabbers down your way that only do mammals, i mostly do birds but i still do a few squirrels every year and have done a bunch in the past.
i don't have time to read thru all the posts this morning, i still need to go and clean the rehab room and bird room, i need to go out and look for seagulls, we had some kind of fish oil spill in gloucester harbor and over 40 gulls have lost their waterproofing and i'm hoping to catch some, i was able to catch 1 that has solved the mystery of what they had on them, but it doesn't look like anyone is coming to help the others, so i'm hoping to at least save a few and i have someone bringing me 6 pigeons tomorrow, so much for relaxing like a normal person on new years day, but it sounds like the emergency is over for now

[Jackie in Tampa]

psycobird...good luck today:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :Love_Icon

[Secret Squirrel]

Hi Psycobird.....thank you for helping. You are one busy bird rehaber, thats for sure....good luck with the Gulls today.:grouphug

Pollino said she left her number on your answering machine. From what I understood from your post is that you havent spoken to Pollino yet .
Is this accurate ?
Yes it sounds like her squirrel Nugget is acting better than yesterday morning, but he still needs a professional to check him out.
Maybe MBD, maybe pnuemonia ?????

Good luck today!!!:thumbsup

[psychobird]

i did talk with her briefly and it sounded like he was fine then, i'll try to give her a call again later

[Secret Squirrel]

YIKES!!!! :nono

Pollinoe, Please don't think that your squirrel is fine !!!! This is just a small taste of how sick Nugget really is. MBD is a killer and you are not really seeing the big picture here. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. :)

Just because Nugget is eating please don't think me miracously got better.
The history of Nugget (since October) on TSB is proof enough this little boy has serious problems.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.....treat him for sever MBD as insrtucted. And it won't hurt to put him on antibiotics ASAP. A member offered to get you some....PLEASE follow through.
Nugget is your soul mate.....give him all you got....XOXOXOXOXOX:grouphug
Peace and Happy New Year!!

[psychobird]

one thing i know is she is giving him the pre mixed esbilac, i know it's not recommended, can't remember why brain dead at the moment, but then again i they normally are long weaned and released by this age so i don't really know if it makes much of a difference or not at his age

[Secret Squirrel]

Spoke with Nuggets mom....Nugget is feeling better, however I feel he is not out of the dark yet. MHO

Does Nugget have a full spectrum light ? If not you will need to get one. Either on line or at local pet store. They aren't cheap but Nugget will require one for proper care. Please get one ASAP, it's very importaint.

The full spectrum light will help him metabolize calcium..it equals natural sunshine which will help his MBD.

I spoke with Nuggets mom and have made adjustments to his diet. FRESH VEGGIES are key.
He is still getting esbilac, which will help him get the nutrients he needs.

Anyone else please chim in.....we don't have a vet....is anyone in the Mass area willing to help Nugget and his mom ?????

[pollinoe]

HELLO EVRYONE FROM ME AND NUGGETT I CANT THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH!!!!

WE R OUT THE DOOR TO GO GET FRESH VEGTABLES!!!!!!!!

we will post a new pic later cause we kno how much u guys love that

<3 nuggett and emily:peace

[pollinoe]

Spoke with Nuggets mom....Nugget is feeling better, however I feel he is not out of the dark yet. MHO

Does Nugget have a full spectrum light ? If not you will need to get one. Either on line or at local pet store. They aren't cheap but Nugget will require one for proper care. Please get one ASAP, it's very importaint.

The full spectrum light will help him metabolize calcium..it equals natural sunshine which will help his MBD.

I spoke with Nuggets mom and have made adjustments to his diet. FRESH VEGGIES are key.
He is still getting esbilac, which will help him get the nutrients he needs.

Anyone else please chim in.....we don't have a vet....is anyone in the Mass area willing to help Nugget and his mom ?????

he does have a light the bullb ran out today but not a prob will get one while im out thank you for everything and if u can fidn me a vet it would be a huge help super busy time right now so i cant call around.........

[CritterMom]

Actually, I bought one of the Repti-sun 26 watt 10.0 bulbs, which are pretty much the best you can get. They are compact fluorescents so they will screw into a normal lamp base (you can buy the clip on fixtures at Home Depot for about $7). I bought mine at The Kennel Shop, a pet store chain, for $14.99. I have seen them online for about the same price. Not too bad a price...

[psychobird]

i think your going to have a hard time finding a vet to treat nugget in mass, it's illegal to keep wildlife as pets here, have you considered handing him over to a rehabber so he can be a free squirrel in the spring????
i know several mammal rehabbers down your way, i'm pretty sure they are wintering over some others.
he's young and it's not to late for him to wild up if done properly
i think it's kinda sad to keep a perfectly healthy, non disabled wild animal in captivity, i don't think it's a life they would choose given the choice, it's their birthright to be free

[Secret Squirrel]

Nugget may have nerological issues. :dono He came in to care with a head trauma. Maybe a non releasable...so I was hopeing someone in the area can look at him and really acess his condition.

I haven't looked back into the threads yet to see his entire history, talking to Emily he had a huge lump on his head.
Poor kiddo !!

[psychobird]

oooo, 98% of boo boo heads i get recover just fine, can you take some video of him emily??

[pappy1264]

I will email my vet and see if she will help with Nugget. She is an exotic vet and may be able to help. I will keep you posted. She is not in on Sundays, but I have her home email (did I mention she is a really good vet?) I will let you know. Sending prayers for Nugget. Glad he seems to be doing better.

[pappy1264]

Any updates? I heard from my vet and she will see him if you need it. You can pm me for her info if needed. Hope he is doing ok.

[pollinoe]

i think your going to have a hard time finding a vet to treat nugget in mass, it's illegal to keep wildlife as pets here, have you considered handing him over to a rehabber so he can be a free squirrel in the spring????
i know several mammal rehabbers down your way, i'm pretty sure they are wintering over some others.
he's young and it's not to late for him to wild up if done properly
i think it's kinda sad to keep a perfectly healthy, non disabled wild animal in captivity, i don't think it's a life they would choose given the choice, it's their birthright to be free

i hear where ur coming from but i honestly dont think its safe for him he deff has neurological damage when he stands and eats he sord of falls over he can not hold food he drops it after 2 secounds and has a hard time finding it i just kno he wont survive he is a very happy squirrell here if he wasnt i would have done that a long time ago :flash3

[pollinoe]

oooo, 98% of boo boo heads i get recover just fine, can you take some video of him emily??
i will take a video tape tonight so u kan see what u think ok cause if hes unrelesable i do not want any one else with him he was my comfort when my daughter passed away he is very happy has alot of play time cause im home alll day let me kno wat u think ill post the video tonigh thanks

[pollinoe]

Any updates? I heard from my vet and she will see him if you need it. You can pm me for her info if needed. Hope he is doing ok.

i would love that just for a check up can u let me kno how much where, and a phone number in a PM THANKS:D

[Jackie in Tampa]

give him kisses from Sq Central:Love_Icon
have you tried Vetri DMG?:thinking
I will send you some if you would like!

[pollinoe]

Nugget may have nerological issues. :dono He came in to care with a head trauma. Maybe a non releasable...so I was hopeing someone in the area can look at him and really acess his condition.

I haven't looked back into the threads yet to see his entire history, talking to Emily he had a huge lump on his head.
Poor kiddo !!

YES I HAVE PICS I CAN PUT LATER IF I CAN FIND OUT HOW KUZ THRE ON MY OLD PHONE WHICH ISNT IN SERVICE HE WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE..... HE IS DOING ALOT BETTER WITH THE CALCIUM N FRESH VEGGIES I PUT A LIL PEANUT BUTTER FOR THE SENT TO GET HIM EATING THEM THE FIRST DAY AND HES BEEN EATING THEM FINE NOW :crazy

KEEP IN TOUCH PLEASE

[psychobird]

is the falling over all the time or do you think it was because of mbd??
if he has always been a bit clumsy i wouldn't release

[pollinoe]

is the falling over all the time or do you think it was because of mbd??
if he has always been a bit clumsy i wouldn't release

he has been clumsy like that since he opened his lil eyes as i said he litterly cant hold food or stand up for long but u kan tell its from neurological damage or maybe a mental disorder if they can have one thats why i dont feel comfortable giving him up he is very happy and needs to be watched when out of his cage 24/7 because he will jump and fall so i just let him run on the floor an dtry not to let him jump from to high places so he doesnt fall and hurt himself i dedicate alot of time to my lil boy

[Secret Squirrel]

Any updates? I heard from my vet and she will see him if you need it. You can pm me for her info if needed. Hope he is doing ok.

Awesome pappy!!!! I hope you and pollinoe can help Nugget. He means the world to Emily. :thankyou

[pappy1264]

I sent her my vets info and she said she was going to call. My vet is very good and reasonable for an exotic vet (remember, I have 23 gliders!)

[Secret Squirrel]

Pollineo this is good news.....I maybe able to help send a few $$ to help with the bill. Just let me know.
Also did you check into the full spectrum light Nugget will need ? You can get one at the pet store or online at Chris's squirrels and more...I know the expences keep adding up but this is what lil Nuggie needs to survive.

Let me know if you need help.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug Hugs to you and Nugget.

[floridapossum]

I should come here and post more often, I always appreciate the knowledge I gain and the interesting issues discussed here. Every time I order Barkley some Henry's Healthy Blocks, I check in.

MBD is always a problem that can be lurking in the shadows, and of course it could be a crisis. But what bothers me, is the clicking. That is usually an indication of wet lungs and congestion. It sounds pretty much the same in people too. (Being an ER nurse for thirty years, I'm always listening for things like that, I also stare at peoples veins when I'm in line at the grocery store thinking, ewww I bet I can get a 14 gauge in one of those babies. But I digress). When Barkely had the same symptoms as described here, especially with the labored breathing and clicking, I immediately presumed it was pneumonia. He was about five or six months old, I think. Well here is where the warning comes: "Do not attempt this at home, we are paid professionals", well now that thats out of the way, here is what I did. Oh I forgot to mention I had no money at the time, so I didn't have the funds to go to the vet. I looked around the house to see what kind of antibiotics were here. People never finish their antibiotics, especially nurses. Well any way, I gathered them all up and started googling which ones could be used on squirrels. It turns out, quite a few were squirrel compatable. The problem of course was the dosage. I found the recommended squirrel dosage on the internet, and spent the next hour mixing and diluting. When I finally got to what should be an appropriate dose, I put a wee bit of sugar in the solution. Barkely would take this through a syringe but nothing else.

:thumbsup Well I started treatment, and within about 8-10 hours, I saw an improvement, a few hours later, a marked improvement, and by the next morning he was back to his old Barkley self. I continued the tretment for about a week. He's been healthy as a horse ever since.

Just a thought.

[Jackie in Tampa]

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE IMPUT AND HELP!!!!!!!!

i still havent talked to physco bird i gave him 300 mg of calcium so far and will keep it up for a few days hes acting fine now not breathing fast heart beat seems good

and he wasnt weezing it was more of a ticking noise in the breath i dont think he was aspirated because ive had him since he was one week old and he actually has never choked esp to the point that he sneezes isnt that wat would cause aspiration anyways he is having some more mixed veggies and henrys health blocks i will keep you all updated and again thank you so so so much:jump :multi :bowdown


until I read florida possums post, i did not realize your sq was clicking?
is he still?
if so you need ABs immediately...if you cannot get him to Pappys vet, please let SS or some one know...Nugget will need ABs if he has pnuemonia...not saying you aspirated him, just know that clicking with everybreath is a death sentence and must be addressed asap...can you get a video posted of this baby? if one has already been posted can some=one point out the post number, ty!
:grouphug

[pappy1264]

Just checking in to see how Nugget is. Did you call the vet? Hope he is well. I agree, if there is clicking, he will need to be put on antibiotics. Let us know when you can.

[Secret Squirrel]

Haven't heard a word.....:thinking hoping everything is OK with Nugget.

[floridapossum]

Me too, I sure would like to know how he is.