Never ending wound problem! [Archive]

merman

10-14-2009, 03:41 AM

Hi all, Good Morning.

Well, you all know about Mia's wound problems..
We were good from June to September.
Then it started again.

Since the beginning of September ecollar is on and off, wounds heal i take it off, then she opens the area again and this continues the same.
Ecollar was on since 29th of October, and i took it of the night i came from Cyprus (arrived on 12th morning). It was completely healed, even some hair was coming around. And this morning i see she opened it again! Check the pic attached. Wound is small now but if i don't put ecollar on, she will extend and extend it as before! :dono

Her ivermectin treatment is done in mid September again. So i don't really think it is parasite related.

She is soooo playful and happy little girl.

What you all suggest me to do ?
Do you think it is related to any other health reasons ?

I appreciate your help and attention..........

4skwerlz

10-14-2009, 08:06 AM

Oh dear Vas, I'm so sorry and frustrated to hear this! With my limited knowledge, I ran out of ideas for you a long time ago...but I do send you both prayers and hugs.:grouphug

How long til you are both safe in Cyprus? Then you can find the best vet in the country and take Mia there.

Jackie in Tampa

10-14-2009, 08:18 AM

:grouphug
I hate seeing/hearing this again...
sending good vibes and praying for all to heal quickly.

Tomo

10-14-2009, 08:45 AM

Jackie in Tampa

10-14-2009, 08:50 AM

Could it be some sort of contact dermatitis? She may be coming in contact with something she lays on that makes her itch and then she scratches and bites it? It could be seasonal, like hay fever in spring, perhaps? I'd treat it immediately with antibiotic ointment rubbed in well to keep it from getting dirt into the wound and maybe wash all of her bedding in hot water with a little bleach and no fragrance degergent/frabic softner. Her skin may just be more sensitive in the cooler months. Is the house dry? Maybeher skin is effected by dryer air?

Anyway, I hope it gets better soon! Hugs to little Mia! :grouphug :Love_Icon
TY Tomo...this is exactly what I have thought for many months...I will see if i can share my latest pm to Vas...

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Mia and cage
I don't have timeto talk, still feeding...but I have hated that slinky cage that she had,,,does she still have that?
that one with the diamond shaped thingies...It is inferer metal I bet...probably loaded with zinc and garbadge metals...it has been concerning me for along time..
I do not know how to say in a nice way..I have been suspect of that pc of **** cage forever...
Vas pitch that and kick it for Tampa...if that is not the problem I owe you a cage!
I knew Vas insisted along time ago it was ok...:shakehead so I never argued...it MAY have something to do with this...maybe not
I love Mia!

Does anyone else think this could be an issue??:dono

merman

10-14-2009, 09:19 AM

Hi friends..

Thanks for replies..

She loves grooming smooth areas.. so that could be one reason..

Jackie, wow, i like your concern and attention. Am going to reply here instead of reply to your PM..

Her wound problem started in the small cage which was a parrot cage, and then i moved her to new cage, the big one, i guess this is the one you mean.

She is sleeping in the white bin, on a fleece blanket, covered with a quilt.
She loves to sleep under the quilt.

If you all think cage is the problem, i can dump it out, she is not even using this cage any more, she just goes in to eat and is always outside or on top. (top is covered w/ wood, i put on the wire)

Look at the big cage, small cage and her sleeping area, all in the pic attached.
2nd pic is the clear look of the big cage..
1st pic is the current pic of the top of the cage, and where she sleeps..

I think it must be something else.. but i will listen to all you say and suggest!! We are here for beautiful princess!! Hope we can solve this mystery!! :/

Leigh, i will send all details about my Cyprus visit later, but i got OK from them, that is GOOD! ...

xxxxxx

Jackie in Tampa

10-14-2009, 09:36 AM

Vas..it is just a guess...I am a metal smith by trade{bench jeweler}...and i do know some metals can leech nasty alloys...
I am probably way off base...and some metals flake and sliver...and even oxidate chemicals that she maybe allergic to...
it is my best guess...
I love the cage..it is awesome...I just hate the wire/metal part...
only because I am not familiar with it...?:dono
This is just a shot in the dark...when you wipe a tee shirt on it, does it leave a residue on the fabric??? any discoloration?
I do not mean this as an insult, as I love you both dearly and if anyone has ever gone above and beyond...it is you Vas!:Love_Icon
:thinking still trying to figure this on going problem out!:grouphug

whopoopwrasse

10-14-2009, 09:46 AM

Could it be something that she is eating occasionally? My son's dog has allergies (been through the testing and treatments) and he would scratch only 2 places, one ear and in the armpit of his front leg.
Maybe something she eats is causing the outbreaks. Maybe whatever it is was not in season during the summer months where she didn't scratch? :thinking
Poor Mia, and Poor Vas, you did so much for her and it's all sarting up again! :shakehead

CritterMom

10-14-2009, 11:02 AM

I haven't been on here too long, and don't have a lot of experience with squirrels except for Mister P, but I have a couple things for you to try.

The love of my life, my dear, late lovebird Gus, was a rescue from a terrible situation, and when I got him he was a mutilator. He had chewed away his own tail, plus his preen gland with his beak, and the wound was terribly infected. I was able to get on top of the infection and save his life, but he wound up in an e-collar for his first year and a half because it would heal, the collar came off, and he would re-open it. So I have some experience on this roller coaster.

Regarding the cage: Does she chew the wire? If it is galvanized, it is coated in zinc, which is a heavy metal and has toxicity in too-high levels. It may be something to look at. Mister P never chews the wire, so I wouldn't worry about him, but I have no idea about Mia. Supposedly periodic vinegar baths (spray it down, let it soak, hose it off) will remove the leaching zinc, but I never trusted it with parrots (which are chewing machines wrapped in feathers).

The problem with wound management is that once it closes, you usually get "proud flesh" formation around the site. That is the very soft, delicate, kind of puffy looking pink flesh that first covers a wound. At this point it itches like crazy (as you know if you have ever had a healing wound) so the e-collar MUST stay on. The problem is, though, that proud flesh is so soft and delicate that even doing normal grooming will re-open it, then the itching starts again and you are back where you started.

I have found that emu oil is the BEST thing to combat the formation of proud flesh and speed healing. The aborigines of Australia have used it for centuries and it is making it's way into the mainstream now. It is actually made from the emu birds which are raised for meat. Testing has shown it reduces the formation of proud flesh in burn patients better that any pharmaceutical currently used! You can Google it and find all sorts of places to buy it online (BTW, I use it on my face as moisturizer - great for that!!), but if you email me at lynnt@maine.rr.com with your name and address I will be happy to send some to you so you have it right away. Once the wound is closed (you should be using some kind of antibacterial like Neosporin on it until then), dab just a little emu oil on it several times a day (and leave the e-collar ON). It will dramatically speed up the healing time and prevent much of the proud flesh formation. I use it on myself all the time, my mom uses it, I use it on my horse...

Now here is the hard part: Once the wound is totally closed and the hair is starting to regrow, and you are ready to take the collar off...DON'T. I would force myself to leave it on for several more weeks (if it is easy to put on and take off you can give them supervised "out" time. Wait until the area shows little signs of there having been a wound there. Let the hair grow out. If it looks and feels different from the surrounding area they will fuss with it.

Squirrel laundry: I use a supposedly hypoallergenic laundry soap for P's laundry (and the parrots as well) and I wash everything twice - once with soap and once in just plain water. This does a nice job of removing any residual soap which could be causing allergies.

I hope this helps. Sweet little Gus spent 8 of his 10 years with me out of his detested collar with no mutilating issues. It was a long slog, but well worth it. I didn't know about emu oil back then; I believe, based on what I have seen since, that I could have cut his in-collar time dramatically if I had. I have a big jug of the stuff - I would be happy to send you some.

And remember to harden your heart and not take the collar off too soon, no matter how much you want to!

island rehabber

10-14-2009, 11:09 AM

:goodpost Thanks CritterMom....
Vas if I had anything intelligent to say to help you and Mia believe me I would....I just know you'll get to the bottom of this with all the smart folks here who are helping you!

whopoopwrasse

10-14-2009, 11:19 AM

I can attest to the EMU OIL also, great stuff, pharmacies have and so do health food stores :thumbsup

CritterMom

10-14-2009, 11:53 AM

Just make sure it is 100% emu oil - lots of manufacturers are "stretching" it with vitamin e oil, which is good, too, but I would prefer the straight emu. It also shouldn't have any fragrance added to it (since it is becoming popular in the cosmetics world, they are starting to try to "gussy" it up).

gs1

10-14-2009, 12:53 PM

Just like I.R. i wish I had just one intelligent comment to make ...

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

(um... maybe allergy related - metals etc -:thinking)

merman

10-14-2009, 05:11 PM

Hi again..

Sorry for my late reply..

Jackie, i never get you wrong, and what you think/say/write means a lot..
I know you and all other friends here care A LOT about Mia, you have been a real guide to me and we are here now with help of you all..

CritterMom, that was excellent advice you gave. I really tell myself i WON'T take it off early, and this time although scab was off on 4th of October, i kept it on till 12th night, and i thought it was enough. But YES we should keep it on till it is back furry..

I ordered Pure EMU Oil (http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/pure-emu-oil_1_4907.html) online from UK. I don't think i will be that lucky but i will check pharmacies here tomorrow as well..
Link to my order: http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/pure-emu-oil_1_4907.html

I never saw her chewing cage wire.

Here is the link for her previous wound problem, if you want to see how it was:
http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=361851&postcount=38

IR, Louise, gs1, Leigh, Tomo, Mrs Skul and all friends.. THANKS for good vibes and support.. We will figure this out and she will be great again, hopefully soon!

I will keep you all updated, surely..

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

CritterMom

10-14-2009, 06:14 PM

Yeah, I know, been there, done that. You love them, they hate the collar, you want to take it off so they will be happy again, and the little stinkers ALWAYS guilt you into doing it too early. You really have to be a hard, mean mommy and leave it on until it has COMPLETELY healed. I don't know about you, but I have torn open healing wounds absentmindedly scratching them, and I know better, and supposedly have the larger I.Q. My rule of thumb became: Wait until you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it has totally healed and then wait two more weeks...

Does anyone have any experience using Rescue Remedy over a longer period in squirrels? I have used this to take some of the edge off when the healing itch was making my little Gus bird crazy, but would hold off until someone who knows squirrels can chime in about it. Rescue Remedy is great stuff.

NaturesGift

10-14-2009, 11:08 PM

Same boat as you and still clueless! maybe Mia and Heidi are related? all I can offer is *hugs*

Mandie

gs1

10-15-2009, 12:03 PM

:grouphug good vibes, prayers, hope, visualization, chants, love and kisses....:grouphug ... and some holy water.... :grouphug...

JLM27

10-15-2009, 12:09 PM

Wishing MIA speedy recovery!

Vas, is there any pattern to her doing this when you go away for a while? Has anyone heard of Munchhausen Syndrome in squirrels?

Pointy Tale

10-16-2009, 10:09 PM

Vas�I am so sorry to read about Mia�s wound problem again. So happy to read about the OK from Cypress!

I have a thought, random but a thought nonetheless�keep in mind I do not know the history of the wound problem. Has this happened mostly when you leave and someone else takes care of her (something innocent like a new branch while you were away or toy perhaps), or after Josie comes to clean (maybe new cleaning solution), or maybe you changed your laundry detergent or soap? These are all just random thoughts

I am just wishing you all the best in the world for a speedy recovery for Mia so that she can return home with you to Cypress and then you can be the investigator that you need to be.

Best wishes to you both.

wheezer

10-16-2009, 10:29 PM

Mia is a puzzle:shakehead
I like CritterMom's advice. The puzzle is, why did she go so long before "over"grooming again:dono

It will be nice when you get settled in a place with a good vet who might solve this mystery:)
Hugs to all:grouphug

PBluejay2

10-16-2009, 11:29 PM

My .02: I'm wondering if this could be some kind of bacterial or fungal infection. I'm also wondering, after viewing the pics on the thread you provided a link to, if squirrels can develop some form of eczema. Just thoughts.

merman

10-17-2009, 07:00 AM

Thank you Jill..

M.S. in squirrels.. ??
Actually, this started at the beginning of September when i was still here, not in Cyprus. And regarding last week, her ecollar was on and she re-opened the area after i was back and took the ecollar off..

:thinking

Wishing MIA speedy recovery!

Vas, is there any pattern to her doing this when you go away for a while? Has anyone heard of Munchhausen Syndrome in squirrels?

merman

10-17-2009, 07:04 AM

Hi PT..
Josie doesn't clean her cage. It is only me, and when i do, i clean the base with hot water only.

I gave her couple of days when i was home during weekend, but she is extending it, i can say, it is bigger now.

I prepared 2 new ecollars which will be easier to put on and remove, so i can take it off when i am around and put back on easily when she will be alone. I will put one on tonight.

Vas�I am so sorry to read about Mia�s wound problem again. So happy to read about the OK from Cypress!

I have a thought, random but a thought nonetheless�keep in mind I do not know the history of the wound problem. Has this happened mostly when you leave and someone else takes care of her (something innocent like a new branch while you were away or toy perhaps), or after Josie comes to clean (maybe new cleaning solution), or maybe you changed your laundry detergent or soap? These are all just random thoughts

I am just wishing you all the best in the world for a speedy recovery for Mia so that she can return home with you to Cypress and then you can be the investigator that you need to be.

Best wishes to you both.

island rehabber

10-17-2009, 07:08 AM

Vas I am also out of ideas for you, but you've always got my prayers for Mia's permanent recovery from these troubles.....:grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

10-17-2009, 07:08 AM

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

merman

10-17-2009, 07:09 AM

At the very first time, the problem started exactly the same, at the same place. Then extended to stomach and then to the leg. I didn't know about ecollar then and i couldn't stop her chewing! I was putting medicine on, but wound was getting worse and worse, till the point she lost a toe and was about to lose her leg!

Am thinking of leaving ecollar on till area is back furry! will take it off from time to time when she is supervised but will leave it on till the day we all decide it is OK now.

I cannot think of anything else. Eczema, could it be ??? :dono

My .02: I'm wondering if this could be some kind of bacterial or fungal infection. I'm also wondering, after viewing the pics on the thread you provided a link to, if squirrels can develop some form of eczema. Just thoughts.

gs1

10-17-2009, 11:49 AM

hi:

so rescue remedy cream or the spray on the wound - maybe after it's healed so that it doesn't sting ...

or let her have drops of rescue remedy in her water.

All I can imagine is those parrots who keep plucking out their feathers.

Vas - I can't imagine your frustration in all this ... with so much going on ... I just can't imagine how you stay so sane and positive sounding ...

:grouphug

ps: i meant the rescue remedy cream put on the sore area .. many people have found it amazing for bites, burns and irritations and even diaper rash.

just my 1/2 cents worth.... i'll start pulling out my hair soon and join Mia.:grouphug

:wave123

Pointy Tale

10-17-2009, 01:34 PM

merman

10-17-2009, 04:39 PM

Ok, here we go..
We are saying we should keep ecollar on till it is back furry, but i am NOT sure if this will solve the problem.
Her leg was furry. But she bite and opened her leg.

Check her final pics attached. I took them before i put ecollar on.
She opened this wound on the leg today. And leg was furry!

Now ecollar is on until the unknown time.
I prepared 2, so i will change them in time, and i will try to give her supervised ecollar off time. But after wounds are closed.

I applied again the Iodine solution and then antibiotic powder. As i used to do before..

Do you think i should take her to the Vet ?
Any test(s) you suggest me to ask him to do ?

:dono
:thinking

merman

10-17-2009, 04:59 PM

There is one more interesting detail/change about Mia.
After i am back from Cyprus (Since 12th morning) i can clearly see change in the colour of her wee. It is not yellow or darker yellow, it is dark as brown, dark brown. (I can notice easily because she goes for wee in a pie dish with water inside)
She has change in her diet, i mean mulberry branches and leaves.. and also acorns are given to her since 12th morning, and she LOVES them.

Do you think it is related to change in her diet ?
I can say, her appetite is pretty good!! and she drinks plenty of water as well..

x

Pointy Tale

10-17-2009, 05:05 PM

Vas, not an expert obviously, but I have read somewhere that the acorns change the color of their urine, but I don't know where I read that, I'm sorry. Maybe a rehabber will answer soon. Best wishes to you.

PBluejay2

10-17-2009, 05:09 PM

Yes, acorns can make their urine dark from the tannins in them and YES I would take her to a vet to see what he or she thinks might be the problem.

CritterMom

10-17-2009, 08:05 PM

As always, I come at this from the parrot world, but I also see so many similarieties I can;t help but throw my $.02 in.

Rehabbers: do you ever see Giardia in squirrels? It is associated with contaminated water supplies (you see a lot of it in areas with pasture run off) but once there, it can lie dormant for a long time and then flare up. In humans it causes diarrhea, but when a parrot starts pluckiing and self mutilating, Giardia is one of the first things we tesy for. It apparently also causes itching (in birds it tends to be under the wings and across the chest).

It's a simple poop test, treatment is quite simple as well with meds that can be put in the water (very small amount in large quantity of water - I have never noticed that anyone could taste it). If she's going to the vet, you may want to ask.

She would not have had to recently come into contact with dirty water, either. Mama could have been shedding the virus and passed it on.

Again, I have no idea if squirrels can get this, and if so, how they present. But there is usually a physical reason why mutilating begins - it can become a habit, but it usually starts as some physical problem.

Pointy Tale

10-17-2009, 08:18 PM

CritterMom

10-17-2009, 08:30 PM

Well, it's a virus (like herpes) and the animal has to be shedding the virus for it to show up in the fecal sample. Many vets have you take multiple samples over a day's time to try to "catch" it. But the treatment is so benign that treating symptoms is not a problem.

This may be way off base, but if there is some physical reason why Mia is itching, all the e-collaring in the world won't stop it until the underlying problem is dealt with. A vet visit with some sking and fecal tests is certainly in order.

Squirrely in Alabama

10-17-2009, 09:43 PM

Mia has a skin allergy. Take her to the vet and they will give her prednisone. Forget the e-collar, how would you like to not be able to scratch an itch, it causes anxiety and more itching! Take her in ASAP or if you have any prednisone, 1mg twice a day for three days, then 1 mg once a day for three days, then 1 mg every other days for three days. If the skin condition starts again, begin the regime once again. Do not give her acorns, most squirrels only bury them for "just in case". If you want to give her nuts, give her hickory nuts if available.

Mia is lucky to have you care so much for her. I love the name Mia, I had a little dog named Mia that died at age 15 after I had her cataracts removed. I still miss her after 8 years!!! I thoughts and prayers are with you and Mia!

JLM27

10-17-2009, 10:03 PM

I think that she is itching too. Do you notice any redness before she starts biting? If she has eczema, she has an allergy. If it is contact dermatitis, it is something environmental that she is reacting to. It is interesting that it is always in the same spot. That sounds like eczema. I think a visit to the vet might help, especially if he or she thinks prednisone could work.

I had eczema when I was a baby, and my mother had to tie my hands down to keep me from scratching myself bloody. It would get infected, too, after I scratched it open. The doctor would shine an ultraviolet light on it. I'm not sure what that did or even if it helped. It's just my recollection. I was born with eczema, and back then there were no magic medications.

Is there any pattern to the time of year? Maybe the vet can culture it to see if there are any underlying infections.

Poor little MIa! I am so sorry that she continues to have this problem. I pity her, and you because I know you must be pretty disheartened by now.

PBluejay2

10-17-2009, 10:49 PM

If eczema how would you treat?

From Webmd:

What Is the Treatment for Eczema? continued...
Over-the-counter products -- such as hydrocortisone -- or prescription creams and ointments containing stronger corticosteroids are often prescribed to reduce inflammation. For severe cases, your doctor may prescribe short courses of oral corticosteroids. In addition, if the affected area becomes infected, your doctor may prescribe antibiotics to kill the infection-causing bacteria.

Other eczema treatments include antihistamines to reduce severe itching, tar treatments (chemicals designed to reduce itching), phototherapy (therapy using ultraviolet light applied to the skin), and the drug cyclosporine for people whose condition doesn't respond to other treatments.

The FDA has approved two drugs known as topical immunomodulators (TIMs) for the treatment of moderate eczema. The drugs, Elidel and Protopic, are skin creams that work by altering the immune system response to prevent flare-ups.

On March 10, 2005, the FDA warned doctors to prescribe Elidel and Protopic with caution due to concerns over a possible cancer risk associated with their use.

As of January 2006, these two creams carry the FDA's strongest "black box" warning on their packaging to alert doctors and patients to these potential risks. The warning advises doctors to prescribe short-term use of Elidel and Protopic only after other available eczema treatments have failed in adults and children over the age of 2.

How Can Eczema Flare-ups Be Prevented?
Eczema outbreaks can usually be avoided or the severity lessened by following these simple tips.

Moisturize frequently
Avoid sudden changes in temperature or humidity
Avoid sweating or overheating
Reduce stress
Avoid scratchy materials, such as wool
Avoid harsh soaps, detergents, and solvents
Avoid environmental factors that trigger allergies (for example, pollen, mold, dust mites, and animal dander)

Pointy Tale

10-21-2009, 02:18 PM

Vas, Hi! How is Princess Mia doing? I hope all is well or at least getting better!

JLM27

10-21-2009, 02:50 PM

Vasm while I was thinking about Mia I remembered that I have a friend who spent time in India as a child and came back with a fungal infection on her forehead that she couldn't get rid of for years and years (we're talking decades here). She just thought it was dermatitis and every so often it broke out and tormented her with intense itching. Finally, a doctor picked up on her history and gave her one of those fungicides that one takes orally to eradicate a fungus systematically, from the inside out. It went away and never returned. I forget what the medicine was, but I had to take it once myself for a persistent fungal infection that could not be addressed once and for all topically. Perhaps a vet could help with this.

Pointy Tale

10-21-2009, 09:31 PM

JLM27

10-21-2009, 09:41 PM

My friend Mary had an infection that only manifested if she were flushed or then broke out intermittently for no reason. It did not look like ringworm, but an itching rash on her forehead. Topical treatments did not cure it. It was a fungus that decided to live in her skin.

I also had a fungal infection that was so widespread that it could not be cured with topical applications because you couldn't find it all. Again, intense itching. They at first thought it was a contact dermatitis.

merman

10-26-2009, 04:07 AM

Hi all..

I am SORRY for my late response.
We are doing good. Ecollar is on since 17th of October (again) as you know.
Scabs are both off..
As we agreed, we will keep ecollars longer till we agree here it is the time to take it off.

We been to the Vet.
He checked her and said she's a very healthy squirrel!
He wanted to give her ivermectine in any case, but i didn't let him, i have applied ivermectin in less than a month.
He said, it doesn't look like eczema or allergy. There is no redness or rash on the skin. He said if it was allergy she would be harming other parts of the body as well because of itching.
He asked me to take her to him immediately (without applying any medicine) if i see a wound again so he could take some samples and make some checks under microscope and make some tests. So this is the point we are now..

He also asked me if she has toys to play and places to climb, which i said yes.. guess he was trying to figure out if it was about boredom.

He made 2nd shot for rabies and said no other is needed, we just will make blood test just before we travel.

Pics taken last night attached.. I kept them bigger so you can see better..
EMU Oil still did not arrive.. Waiting..

xx

merman

10-26-2009, 04:57 AM

Ok, EMU oil just arrived! :thumbsup

EMU Oil still did not arrive.. Waiting..

whopoopwrasse

10-26-2009, 07:12 AM

Hi Vas, I just asked about her wound on the other thread so you don't have to answer, I saw this one too late :D
Great about the emu oil!, hope it helps! If not Mia then you and your family can use it! :thumbsup
I really hope this is the last time she does this to her leg and I bet you hope so even more! :tilt

Pointy Tale

10-26-2009, 01:27 PM

Vas�Hi! I�ve been worried about you and Princess Mia. Great news about the scabs being off�you really seem to know what to do to take care of it! That is a great Vet and great suggestions to test the next time, but I hope there is no next time. Oh, I see all the fur is missing too, poor Sweet Mia, but the skin looks good. Yeah�Emu oil arrived, can�t wait to read how it works out. Wishing you all the best.

JLM27

10-26-2009, 04:33 PM

Vas, you could try putting an ultraviolet light on it, the kind you get to sterilize your toothbrush. You would shine it on for about 8 minutes at a time. I know she won't sit still that long, but maybe if she is snuggling or sleeping on you? Or you could try Pinchy Cheekums.

merman

10-27-2009, 05:49 AM

I cannot get her stay still for UV Lighting on the wound area.
She jumps, she plays, she eats on me but never sleeps on me.
I applied EMU oil thingy in the morning. I will apply in the evening too..
Hope this works!
Will take and post pics regularly.

Pointy Tale

10-27-2009, 08:18 AM

Vas�I will keep you both in my thoughts and offer my well wishes and positive energies even when I am not online. I do hope that Mia responds well to EMU oil, wonderful about you posting and taking pictures regularly of the progress, who knows maybe this will be the cure, I hope so, I really do.
Be well.

merman

10-28-2009, 05:42 AM

Good morning everyone..

Here we go, the pics for this morning..
EMU Oil already cleaned her fur around the wound, hope it will help the skin as well........... :Love_Icon

I will take ecollar off tomorrow for cleaning and putting on clean tape.
She will be under my complete attention and supervision so she cleans herself for a while and ecollar will be back on.

Will keep you all posted........

:wave123

gs1

10-28-2009, 06:58 AM

wow, fingers crossed!!! It does look good. I like what your vet said that if ever it starts up again to bring her in so he can take a sample of it for tests!!!

:thumbsup

Jackie in Tampa

10-28-2009, 07:31 AM

I hope the oil works too, her feetsies are so cute in the pics, sweet!

Pointy Tale

10-28-2009, 10:39 AM

Vas, great pictures. Did you new oil make that much of a difference already, it looks worlds better. You are good to do all of this for her. No advice, just here to let you know you and Mia are in my thoughts for her speedy recovery so you can go home:)

JLM27

10-28-2009, 10:42 AM

Good work, Vas. Does she lick the emu oil? Have you tried any cortizone or benedryl cream on there when the ecollar is on?

merman

10-28-2009, 10:51 AM

Hi again,
Thank you all for good wishes and checking in for Mia.

I didn't try cortizone or benedryl cream, do you think it would make any difference/help ?
Already applying EMU Oil once or twice a day..
Tomorrow is weekend and will take/post more pics.

Let me know if you think cort. cream would really make any change so i can go and buy..

xxx
:wave123

JLM27

10-28-2009, 10:56 AM

I have some recurrent skin problems and at first I thought they were bacterial problems (they got really red and sore and itchy) and hit them with increasingly powerful anitbiotic topical applications (like acne medicine) that made no difference. So one day I grabbed my benedryl cream and slathered it on, and lo!, by the next day it was practically healed. I think what I had was a localized contact dermatitis, but I can't figure out what the source was. It just recurred this week so I am thinking possibly laundry bleach?

Many many years ago when I taught college I had a student who arrived one day on crutches. He had a note from his doctor saying that he may not be able to come to class because of his condition. His feet were red and swollen so bad he could hardly walk. He said it came on him periodically and no one knew why. I suspected something systemic and suggested he go to the Viner-Daniels Internal Medicine clinic in Philadelphia; it was an affiliate of the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School hospital and famous for difficult diagnoses. He showed up two weeks later with no limp at all, and wearing sneakers! He said they figured out that he was allergic to the leather dye in his shoes! End of problem. So it is just a line of thought, since nothing else is unlocking this mystery.

Hi again,
Thank you all for good wishes and checking in for Mia.

I didn't try cortizone or benedryl cream, do you think it would make any difference/help ?
Already applying EMU Oil once or twice a day..
Tomorrow is weekend and will take/post more pics.

Let me know if you think cort. cream would really make any change so i can go and buy..

xxx
:wave123

CritterMom

10-28-2009, 11:44 AM

Benadryl maybe - if this is an allergy, the benadryl will stop the itching because it is an antihystamine. Cortizone cream will help with itching, but don't put it on broken skin; the cortizone is a steroid and will slow the healing. Steroids are anti-inflammatory, so these two creams work for two different problems. All of this has an "allergy feel" to it, so if I were going to try one of them, it would be the Benadryl.

One of the ways emu oil works is as a "carrier." The molecular structure is so small that it can penetrate the epidermis rather than just sit on top of it, so anything used along with it will be delivered to the deeper layers of skin (this is why I use emu oil first, then my night cream on my face). In other words, the emu oil will make it work better, because it won't just sit on the surface of the skin.

merman

11-06-2009, 07:53 AM

Hi to all........
It's been more than a week i didn't post news about Mia.
She's been doing good.. -T O U C H W O O D- :)

To tell you the truth, hope you don't get mad about me, her ecollar is off since last Sunday (Josie's house cleaning day, she managed to take it off herself).
You know, i took her ecollar off last weekend (thu&fri) and put it back on friday night. And Saturday night i locked her into her cage so Sunday Josie is coming for cleaning and she is not around.
When i came Sunday evening, she managed to take ecollar off, 1st time in her ecollar life! :nono
I was soooo nervous till she comes out and i see her leg, no blood! :bowdown
And since last Sunday, she is without ecollar.. And (i hate saying this not to wake the devil, God be with her) there is no nasty thing on her leg ! Look at the pics below. taken today........... mjs

So keep the fingers crossed.. and let's hope.. no more blood..

:wave123

CritterMom

11-06-2009, 08:00 AM

Please don't worry if she ingests the emu oil - they sell it in capsules so that you can take it that way! It won't hurt her at all. I'm pleased to see it working so well.

merman

11-06-2009, 02:41 PM

Thank you CM, it looks it really is helping.. i will keep you all updated..
:wave123

Pointy Tale

11-06-2009, 07:18 PM

Vas�that is totally amazing, one week and the emu oil made that much of a difference? Is that true? She looks fantastic. Incredible! Brilliant Job! Oh and look at the last picture of Princess Mia, what an adorable face.

So like what brand is this emu oil, I want some to have it on hand in case of emergency!

Truly Brilliant Work Vas�Touch Wood Everything will be OK.

CritterMom

11-06-2009, 08:36 PM

This is where I get mine - I hope this is okay; I send them money, not the other way around!

http://emuoildepot.com/

I use it on my face as a moisturizer - just a couple drops. I use it on all of my own wounds - Mister P did a bad rake across my top lip tonight and shredded me pretty good, Tonight it has triple antibiotic, which I will use until it has closed over and then switch to the emu oil. I scar badly - it is genetic - but this won't scar... I add a few drops to my hand lotion when I use it. I take my eyemakeup off with it. Every time my horse gets a cut or nick on her I use the emu oil on it - a couple weeks ago she peeled some skin off her nose right where the caveson of her bridle goes, which meant I coulsn't ride her or it would have hurt. A few days of emu oil and it was all but totally healed. And on and on. What I hope it will do for Mia is speed the healing and prevent the formation of that soft, puffy proud flesh that tends to form on wound sites, and is so delicate that she can't help but tear it open. That starts the whole cycle all over again.

Now watch that little cutie and at any sign of irritation, get that collar back on. I think that the healing process causes half the problems in these self mutilation cases.

Adoresquirrels

11-06-2009, 08:54 PM

merman

11-07-2009, 04:12 AM

Here is the product i use:

http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/pure-emu-oil_1_4907.html

:wave123

CritterMom

11-07-2009, 05:13 AM

The brand doesn't matter, just make sure it is 100% emu oil. It is being "discovered" in the cosmetics field, which means some companies are adding other oils, and fragrance, etc, to glam it up.

Mrs Skul

11-07-2009, 11:03 PM

:fireworks :wave :goofwe :wave :fireworks :wave :goofwe

MIA is better!!!!!!!!!!!!
:wave123 Hi Vas, Mia is looking good. I am so glad she is doing well. Her leg looks wonderful. She knew when that e-collar needed to come off. :poke I am sending Mia Hugs, and kiss from the other side of the pond.:D AIR MAIL from the U.S.A. Strait from Houston Texas.tinfoil Spanky, Darla, Abby, and Little Miss Rocki are sending their love and well wishes to Mia. I would keep putting the oil on her for a few weeks after all heals. It will help with dryness of the skin. When you finally stop putting the oil on. Watch her close for a few days. Just in case she starts itching it again.
PS Thank you so much for the kind words and support in this difficult time. You take care, and don't work to hard. Talk to you soon. Christal

merman

11-08-2009, 03:14 AM

Thank you Christal..........

You all are having great experience about animals and your help really means a lot.. :Love_Icon

Today is another Josie day and she is locked in her cage.
So today is 1st week without ecollar on, she has taken it off last week another Josie day. I will check and update you when i am back on, if all is ok and no biting.. GOD HELP...... :Love_Icon :tilt

Will tell Mia how do people care about her from all over the world.. She shouldn't be worrying everybody like this!
Am glad you are feeling better.. :)

CritterMom, again and again, thank you for Emu Oil idea :)

xxxxx
-Vas & Mia

island rehabber

11-08-2009, 07:47 AM

This thread is excellent -- I am going to add emu oil to my rehab kit. I'm registered for a course in Wound Management at the upcoming state conference -- wonder if they will mention it there. If not, I will! :thumbsup

merman

11-08-2009, 09:14 AM

Ok, There is NO blood around!
I let her out..
She was moody! Didn't even care about me, jumped on top of the cage, and then dived into her nest-bin! :D

Thank you all again and again! :thumbsup

:wave123

ape4fish

11-08-2009, 09:48 AM

I am VERY new to all of this but had a thought. In the wild, I have read that flying squirrels are social at certain times of the year and nest communally. I know other types of animals that really need companion(s) of the same species, no matter how much they love their human. Is it possible Mia's reoccurring wound could be a mental health issue as opposed to a physiological issue? From the posts I read, you sound like a great owner and covered your bases, so please don't think I am questioning anything you might be doing! And, as I stated before, I am a total novice in the flying squirrel world.

merman

11-08-2009, 10:35 AM

Hey, thank you.... :thumbsup
As far as i know, red squirrels (she's Persian Red) live alone, not in pairs..... :dono
(somebody correct me if i am wrong)
And my family & the kids were here home when her wound problem started last January..

I am VERY new to all of this but had a thought. In the wild, I have read that flying squirrels are social at certain times of the year and nest communally. I know other types of animals that really need companion(s) of the same species, no matter how much they love their human. Is it possible Mia's reoccurring wound could be a mental health issue as opposed to a physiological issue? From the posts I read, you sound like a great owner and covered your bases, so please don't think I am questioning anything you might be doing! And, as I stated before, I am a total novice in the flying squirrel world.

ape4fish

11-08-2009, 10:38 AM

Oops! I just realized this site is concerning ALL types of squirrels. I thought it was just about flying squirrels. My bad!

merman

11-08-2009, 10:49 AM

Hey, welcome to the board.
And yes, you can find information concerning all types.
We have a huge flyer community here too..! :)

:wave123

Oops! I just realized this site is concerning ALL types of squirrels. I thought it was just about flying squirrels. My bad!

Adoresquirrels

11-08-2009, 01:10 PM

So happy that Mia is wound free at last! :wott :wott Keep up the good work.

Pointy Tale

11-09-2009, 02:32 PM

Hi Vas�thank you so much for the picture of emuoil, am going to look for it, sounds like a real keeper to have on hand.

CritterMom�thanks for the link and the instructions�this stuff seems like gold�look how great it helped Princess Mia!

CritterMom

11-09-2009, 03:07 PM

Yeah, well, the aborigines of Australia have been using this stuff for thousands of years - it took me a while to catch on!

Google it and look at some of the more scholarly sites (not the ones trying to sell the stuff to you). It really does have some amazing qualities. I sure do hope it works for Mia. I also wish we knew WHY it kept happening.

Mrs. Byrd

11-10-2009, 11:33 AM

if she keeps opening the wound you could always try this Yuck Gel that's suppose to keep them from injurying themselves and all

http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/product/2026/yuk-anti-and-lick-gel.htm

just a suggestion =]

merman

11-11-2009, 04:17 AM

Thank you Mrs. Byrd for checking on Mia..
We tried that, didn't work.

She's doing better now, THANK GOD.. TOUCH WOOD..
:tilt
x

if she keeps opening the wound you could always try this Yuck Gel that's suppose to keep them from injurying themselves and all

http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/product/2026/yuk-anti-and-lick-gel.htm

just a suggestion =]

Mrs Skul

11-12-2009, 01:50 AM

:wave123 Hi Vas, I thought I would peek in on Mia. I'm so happy she is still doing well. Keep up the good work. Lot's of love, play-time,and spoiling.:D That will do the trick. Oh! a few nuts. Well Spanky and Darla just found me in the computer room, got to go for now. Time to play and be a walking tree. You take care. I will talk to you later Christal

merman

11-19-2009, 07:16 AM

Hi again..
Look at the pics attached.

This is a totally new one in a new/different place.
Last night she was very restless in her plastic nest-bin.
And we see what did she do.

It isn't an old wound location!!
Do you think it was an itchy injection place ?
I think it was the place where her last injection was done.
But her last injection was nearly 4 weeks ago!?

:dono

It's weekend here and Vet Office is closed.
Ecollar is back on till it heals.. :shakehead
.
.

island rehabber

11-19-2009, 07:47 AM

:( oh, Mia.....guess it could be the injection site, Vas. So sorry she's up to her bad tricks again.....

CritterMom

11-19-2009, 08:03 AM

Can you get her to a vet to culture the skin at that site? It sure would be nice to know if she has some systemic issue that is causing this. Poor baby. Use the emu oil on it once the wound skins over a bit.

scurry'smama

11-19-2009, 09:27 AM

Oh NO! I so sorry !! Ms. Mia! I have a Rottweiler dog who self mutilated Right rear paw for 7 months...... ugh. 120 lb dog wearing a lampshade is not fun!!!

Good luck with that precious lil red head!

4skwerlz

11-19-2009, 10:57 AM

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
Oh no!!! Please Mia, STOP doing this!
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

muffinsquirrel

11-19-2009, 12:13 PM

I don't remember whether this has been considered before or not (My memory, like my bustline, is no where near what it used to be!:D ), but could children's Benadryl be used on her, and would it help? I know it is great for stopping itching, and maybe it would help her. (I have nothing to base this on other than I noticed my bottle of Benadryl and happened to wonder.)

muffinsquirrel

CritterMom

11-19-2009, 12:21 PM

The problem I have with that is that it is treating the symptoms, not the underlying problem. There is a REASON she does this, and a skin culture may give it...

muffinsquirrel

11-19-2009, 12:58 PM

The problem I have with that is that it is treating the symptoms, not the underlying problem. There is a REASON she does this, and a skin culture may give it...

I agree, and think that a skin culture would be a good idea. But if the problem is some sort of allergy that is making her itch or 'tingle' so that she bites at it, maybe the Benadryl would put a stop to it.

muffinsquirrel

Pam

11-19-2009, 01:42 PM

The problem I have with that is that it is treating the symptoms, not the underlying problem. There is a REASON she does this, and a skin culture may give it...
Hi Vas, sorry precious Mia is still having problems! I'm wondering if Mia has some type of fungal infection. Has her vet ever looked at the wounds under a black light? I also agree that a skin culture should be done. At the same time a culture called DTM (dermatophyte test medium) can be done to test the hair and skin for ringworm. http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec18/ch212/ch212c.html?qt=ringworm&alt=sh

merman

11-19-2009, 02:05 PM

Hi all..

Thank you very much for your replies..
I would take her to the vet immediately for tests as i have said but today is weekend and they will be open on Saturday morning! So i cannot keep her extending the wound till then. That's why i put ecollar on and cleaned the wound as always.

So will take her to the vet on Saturday, although wound will not be fresh to take samples.
Timing is horrible. Does it have to happen on the weekend!!? :dono

Pointy Tale

11-19-2009, 06:30 PM

HI Vas, I'm so sorry to read about Mia, I am sending you happy thoughts for her quick recovery.

Mrs Skul

11-20-2009, 01:39 AM

:wave123 Hi Vas I am sorry Mia is itching again. The vet can still do a culture, skin scrape,and test hairs. Tell him you need to have it done. Can you check something for me? Try to squeeze both sides to gather? See what comes out. If injection site went to deep, and suppose to go in the mussel, or went between skin when it is suppose to be under the skin. You can get a pocket of fluid, puss, and some times blood. The blood will dissolve and go away. It almost looks like a abscess. That she drained. All the hair around the site is missing. Usually that is cause from the swelling, Then you have the bloodie spot. Some times their is a hole. When you squeeze to gather look and see if fluid,or puss comes out. All around or in just one spot? Let me know. I know it will not be easy to get her to corporate:D But try. When you take Mia to vet, ask if allergy test might be helpful. When you put the E-color on did Mia still try to Itch and scratch her self?
:thinking Have you bathed her in a oatmeal base shampoo? That is for sensitive skin. If you PM me your name, address and country code. I have some shampoos for you to try. Do you have chiggers in your country? A chigger is a microscopic bug that will burrow into the skin. That will Itch like crazy. I will check computer often to see if you answered. You ans Mia take care and have a good night. Christal

merman

11-20-2009, 02:02 AM

Hi Christal.

I played with wound a little and it is not swollen and nothing coming out. Surface dried out now. And it doesn't have any fluid underneath.
I took some more pics now and i will post them in a while, just wanted to reply to you ASAP.

I will take her to the vet tomorrow and will keep you all updated about his work.

And i will PM you my address too.

THANKS..
-Vas

merman

11-20-2009, 02:10 AM

Hi again,
This is the pic of the wound taken just now.

It looks moist because of EMU Oil.
.
.

Abby Oakleaf

11-20-2009, 02:12 AM

Be well, Mia... Lots of people love you and are sending good thoughts...:Love_Icon

philomycus

11-20-2009, 04:02 PM

Merman,

I think my sq and yours have a lot in common. I am not sure how closely your have followed Rocky's story.

He has been off and on his ecollar for as long as I can remember. He's 4.5 yrs now and started chewing early. He chewed his entire good hind limb off, and we had to amputate it. Then he started on his right rear leg which is disabled. Last year, he had a full work up, and we still could no determine what is going on. Maybe a pinched nerve? Maybe completely habitual?

The ONLY way I can break Rocky's habit is with the dreaded e-collar. I put him on Prozac though while he is waering the collar to make things easier. I had tried arthritis meds, etc with no luck.

So every 6 months is seems, Rocky has to wear his collar, be put back on prozac for about 1 month until the wound heals and I have FULL FUR growing back on the area. Only then do I take that collar off.

I know he is unhappy with it on, but he has adjuested significantly and seems to tolerate the collar nicley now (considering his situation). It seems spring and fall are the 2 times he can not leave himself alone.

I even tried having acupuncture on him. PM me freely if you want to discuss further.

Mrs Skul

11-20-2009, 11:16 PM

:wave123 Hi Vas,Hoping Mia is OK today. Thank you for your answer. That will rule out injection site. You had mention on your site that it was very dusty the other day. Start watching what is going on in your environment. You might even start watching if she eats any thing different. See if that starts the itching. I thank it is just allergies. :thinking If you can get the vet to do skin culture and blood test. Then you can start giving her Med, to try to control itching,bitting,and hurting her self. Max my dog is on the allergies shots once a month. He is having problems this month because the pollen is bad for some reason. He is going to be tested again , to see if any changes. He has been on this for 9 years. It all started when I moved to Texas. His itchy spots look allot like Mia wound. I have a care package I'm sending you. Try the oatmeal shampoo. I will have instruction on the bottle. Do you have children's Benadryl? Rocki had been on that for awhile, befor we released her. We even put Revelation on her for fleas. It help allot. Keep up the hard work. It is so worth it in the long run, seeing Mia playing hide and seek with her daddy. :Love_Icon Take care give Mia a kiss for me. Christal.

Jackie in Tampa

11-21-2009, 05:23 AM

sigh...
mia sweetie, what is wrong:thinking
i am so sorry to see this...
hope something helps soon:grouphug

merman

11-22-2009, 05:14 AM

Ok, I will reply to everyone one by one later, just for a quick update, we are going to be at the Vet 5.30pm (GMT+3).

I will keep you all updated.

xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Fireweed

11-22-2009, 01:54 PM

:grouphug (Mia) :grouphug (Vas)

merman

11-22-2009, 01:57 PM

Hey, hi there..

I am so sorry to hear about Rocky.
I can understand how you feel very well.

We been to Vet today, i will post the details down as a new post now, and sure i would love to exchange info any time!

THANKS for your concern... xxx
:wave123

Merman,

I think my sq and yours have a lot in common. I am not sure how closely your have followed Rocky's story.

He has been off and on his ecollar for as long as I can remember. He's 4.5 yrs now and started chewing early. He chewed his entire good hind limb off, and we had to amputate it. Then he started on his right rear leg which is disabled. Last year, he had a full work up, and we still could no determine what is going on. Maybe a pinched nerve? Maybe completely habitual?

The ONLY way I can break Rocky's habit is with the dreaded e-collar. I put him on Prozac though while he is waering the collar to make things easier. I had tried arthritis meds, etc with no luck.

So every 6 months is seems, Rocky has to wear his collar, be put back on prozac for about 1 month until the wound heals and I have FULL FUR growing back on the area. Only then do I take that collar off.

I know he is unhappy with it on, but he has adjuested significantly and seems to tolerate the collar nicley now (considering his situation). It seems spring and fall are the 2 times he can not leave himself alone.

I even tried having acupuncture on him. PM me freely if you want to discuss further.

merman

11-22-2009, 01:58 PM

Hi Christal and all friends..

Here it is always dusty, we are living in the middle of desert and a small wind carries all the dust from the deserts around.

We been to the Vet today, and he scraped the skin around the latest bald/wound place till it start bleeding. :shakehead And checked under microscope.

He said, and showed me too, there are some microscopic mites! And showed me some larvae as well. :dono

He asked me to use the spot on Ivermectin that i have, i attached the pic below. 1 pipette for 300 grams of Rat/Rabbit etc..
I used this before, at the beginning of September i used 1 pipette too.
Do you really think this is a good idea ? Or you have any other suggestion(s) about microscopic mites ?

I didn't apply the pipette i have now, first i wanted to ask you guys..
Looking forward to hearing your opinions and experiences and we proceed accordingly..

P.S.: She was a VERY GOOD girl at the vet.
She's gone through a lot, scraping the wound, and 2 antibiotic injection (Synulox and Baytril). And she didn't even try to run away from my hand. :Love_Icon

:wave123 Hi Vas,Hoping Mia is OK today. Thank you for your answer. That will rule out injection site. You had mention on your site that it was very dusty the other day. Start watching what is going on in your environment. You might even start watching if she eats any thing different. See if that starts the itching. I thank it is just allergies. :thinking If you can get the vet to do skin culture and blood test. Then you can start giving her Med, to try to control itching,bitting,and hurting her self. Max my dog is on the allergies shots once a month. He is having problems this month because the pollen is bad for some reason. He is going to be tested again , to see if any changes. He has been on this for 9 years. It all started when I moved to Texas. His itchy spots look allot like Mia wound. I have a care package I'm sending you. Try the oatmeal shampoo. I will have instruction on the bottle. Do you have children's Benadryl? Rocki had been on that for awhile, befor we released her. We even put Revelation on her for fleas. It help allot. Keep up the hard work. It is so worth it in the long run, seeing Mia playing hide and seek with her daddy. :Love_Icon Take care give Mia a kiss for me. Christal.

merman

11-22-2009, 02:00 PM

Jackie, i really hope this is all about microscopic mites and HOPE we can get rid of them !!

:grouphug

sigh...
mia sweetie, what is wrong:thinking
i am so sorry to see this...
hope something helps soon:grouphug

Pam

11-22-2009, 02:47 PM

Hi Vas! Glad Mia has been to the vet. You said that Mia was treated with Ivermectin in September. Did her skin problems clear up then? If so, I would go ahead and treat her again, and be sure to laundry her nesting materials. I would guess that she is getting re infested with the mites as the larvae hatch.

Did the vet do a culture to rule out bacteria and ringworm?

PBluejay2

11-22-2009, 02:52 PM

I read the directions in your pic, and if your baby weighs 300 grams or more, I'd follow them (one pipette), but holding back a little on the full dose. The dose for mites is .14 mg/lb, and 150 ug =.15 mg, so the dose in the pipette may be on the strong side. If your baby weighs less than a pound (454 grams), we may need to rethink things. An accurate weight would be helpful.

merman

11-22-2009, 03:10 PM

Hi Pam,

Actually i treated her after she had wound problem again (Since May).
And since then we are on and off having it in different areas.

Last weekend we been to IKEA and bought her a new quilt, so the day i apply Ivermectin i will replace her quilt and wash her nest-bin with hot water.

Vet didn't do anything else for ringworm inspection :dono
I can take her again if it is needed!?

Hi Vas! Glad Mia has been to the vet. You said that Mia was treated with Ivermectin in September. Did her skin problems clear up then? If so, I would go ahead and treat her again, and be sure to laundry her nesting materials. I would guess that she is getting re infested with the mites as the larvae hatch.

Did the vet do a culture to rule out bacteria and ringworm?

merman

11-22-2009, 03:11 PM

Hi PBJ,

She was around 310 grams last time i weighted her, i can weight her again tomorrow when she is awake.
She didn't lose or put on weight tho..

So how do you think we should proceed ?
How about giving her a bath!?

I read the directions in your pic, and if your baby weighs 300 grams or more, I'd follow them (one pipette), but holding back a little on the full dose. The dose for mites is .14 mg/lb, and 150 ug =.15 mg, so the dose in the pipette may be on the strong side. If your baby weighs less than a pound (454 grams), we may need to rethink things. An accurate weight would be helpful.

Pam

11-22-2009, 03:15 PM

Hi Pam,

Actually i treated her after she had wound problem again (Since May).
And since then we are on and off having it in different areas.

Last weekend we been to IKEA and bought her a new quilt, so the day i apply Ivermectin i will replace her quilt and wash her nest-bin with hot water.

Vet didn't do anything else for ringworm inspection :dono
I can take her again if it is needed!?
Vas, I'm hoping that treating Mia for mites, clean nest box and new covers for the princess will take care of her problem. If it doesn't, then I would go back to the vet and ask him to check for ringworm.

scurry'smama

11-22-2009, 03:28 PM

Hi there,
What type of microscopic mite? They showed you? Were the mites cylinder, cigar type or more crabby looking or??

Glad she went in!! Yay!!!

Peaches

11-22-2009, 05:05 PM

Hi there. I think if she had ringworm you would have it by now, its very contagous. I think in order to get rid of the mites you will have to treat her twice at 4 week intervals. The problem is probably the larva hatching and re infesting her. Mites live in odd places like wood chips and sand. You live in a desert and this may be the problem.

JLM27

11-22-2009, 06:02 PM

Oh sweet little MIa, being such a good girl at the vet! I'm glad you found something that is treatable. This invisible problem must be SO frustrating for you and Mia. What did the mites look like? Did they look like little crabs?

philomycus

11-22-2009, 06:15 PM

I hate she's got mites- but you do have an answer, which is wonderful!!! Keep us posted!

merman

11-23-2009, 03:39 AM

Hi and good morning..

The mites i saw under microscope were worm like creatures, having legs around/near head part. Not crab like.
Yuck :shakehead

Poor little girl, unlike yesterday, she was totally active and playful in the morning.
:Love_Icon

As i asked before, do you think i should give her bath with mite shampoo too??

xxx
:wave123

Hi there,
What type of microscopic mite? They showed you? Were the mites cylinder, cigar type or more crabby looking or??

Glad she went in!! Yay!!!

Oh sweet little MIa, being such a good girl at the vet! I'm glad you found something that is treatable. This invisible problem must be SO frustrating for you and Mia. What did the mites look like? Did they look like little crabs?

merman

11-23-2009, 03:41 AM

Thanks Peaches..

On the site that i bought spot on ivermectin, it says:

Anti-Parasite Spot On

Contains Ivermectin - one of the best treatments available and used by vets for treating persistent infestations.

Effective against lice, mange, mites and roundworms on rabbits, guinea-pigs, ferrets and rats.

Pack contains 4 pipettes - twist off the cap and apply the contents to the back of the neck and spread the solution as far as possible. Treatment will continue to be effective for up to four weeks.

So, what do you guys think 2 times treatment in 4 weeks time is totally enough or we should continue using this like every 4 weeks ?
:dono

Hi there. I think if she had ringworm you would have it by now, its very contagous. I think in order to get rid of the mites you will have to treat her twice at 4 week intervals. The problem is probably the larva hatching and re infesting her. Mites live in odd places like wood chips and sand. You live in a desert and this may be the problem.

4skwerlz

11-23-2009, 06:47 AM

The mites i saw under microscope were worm like creatures, having legs around/near head part. Not crab like.
Yuck :shakehead
As i asked before, do you think i should give her bath with mite shampoo too??

That sounds like demodectic mange. They are cigar-shaped with I think 4 short legs on each side near the head. These mites actually burrow down into the hair follicles, which is why the vet has to squeeze and scrape the skin to get a good specimen. Demodex is not nearly as itchy as sarcoptic mange. Typically the animal will lose hair in one small area, then another.

Yes, special shampoos are often used to help flush out the follicles, but also something like Ivomec or Revolution, or whatever your vet (or one of our TSB experts) recommends.

It is very treatable, but you have to do repeated treatments over several weeks. So it's no surprise the other treatment didn't get rid of it.

Hopefully, one of our TSB experts can help you with choosing a drug, a shampoo, and with dosing.

Poor Mia, but AT LEAST we may know what's wrong. Finally.
:grouphug

merman

11-23-2009, 07:06 AM

Yes it was a cigar like -worm/caterpillar like- mite with legs near to her head.

I didn't apply the Ivermectin pipette yet.
I ordered another box (of 4 pipettes) today, and i can order more in time.

I can apply the I. pipette tonight.
And i can change her bedding. But i really want to know if giving her a bath at the same day i change her bedding would be more effective ?

:wave123

That sounds like demodectic mange. They are cigar-shaped with I think 4 short legs on each side near the head. These mites actually burrow down into the hair follicles, which is why the vet has to squeeze and scrape the skin to get a good specimen. Demodex is not nearly as itchy as sarcoptic mange. Typically the animal will lose hair in one small area, then another.

Yes, special shampoos are often used to help flush out the follicles, but also something like Ivomec or Revolution, or whatever your vet (or one of our TSB experts) recommends.

It is very treatable, but you have to do repeated treatments over several weeks. So it's no surprise the other treatment didn't get rid of it.

Hopefully, one of our TSB experts can help you with choosing a drug, a shampoo, and with dosing.

Poor Mia, but AT LEAST we may know what's wrong. Finally.
:grouphug

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 07:38 AM

:wave123 Hi Vas! What kind of shampoo do you have?

merman

11-23-2009, 07:44 AM

I don't have any mite shampoo, but i can go and check ALL the pet shops to find a good one..
??

:wave123 Hi Vas! What kind of shampoo do you have?

PBluejay2

11-23-2009, 07:51 AM

I read the directions in your pic, and if your baby weighs 300 grams or more, I'd follow them (one pipette), but holding back a little on the full dose. The dose for mites is .14 mg/lb, and 150 ug =.15 mg, so the dose in the pipette may be on the strong side. .

At 310 grams, I'd give about 3/4 of a pipette and repeat in 2 weeks.

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 07:51 AM

Don't worry just treat her. When the mite bites to feed they will get a dose of med and die.I have some real good shampoo I use. I will send it to you. Does your vet have Revolution for dogs? If so get a pk. of that and put it on once a month after you are done with this treatment.

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 07:54 AM

:dono I was looking for your address the other day. I can't find it. If you will Pm me what ever I will need to mail this to you I will get it in the mail today. The shampoo for later use.

merman

11-23-2009, 08:05 AM

I just PMd you :)
THANKS!!
:wave123

:dono I was looking for your address the other day. I can't find it. If you will Pm me what ever I will need to mail this to you I will get it in the mail today. The shampoo for later use.

merman

11-23-2009, 08:08 AM

I have only 1 pipette left.
They wouldn't ship here so i shipped the pack to my friend Nick's address in UK.
So the pack will be here after Christmas, i.e. in 4 weeks time.

I will use 3/4 of the pipette i have now, and i will check with Vet if he can help about the 2nd dose in 2 weeks time.
If not, we will have to wait for 4 weeks and i can go for 3 dose in total to cover.. ?

THANKS PBJ....
:wave123

At 310 grams, I'd give about 3/4 of a pipette and repeat in 2 weeks.

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 08:14 AM

I know I put revolution on Rockie for over 11/2 years and it did not hurt her. The only thing was when we release her the raccoons would smell her out.:D It takes care of mites flea a lot of other things. The shampoo will have the directions on it. I did get the address. I will PM you after I get it in the mail.

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 08:20 AM

Vas you know once you open and use 3/4 of it the rest will be no good, can't use after it's after it has been opened. If Vet has Revolution that will work just as good.

merman

11-23-2009, 08:26 AM

Yes, will use the pipette i have now, and then will check with Vet for revolution :)

:wave123

Vas you know once you open and use 3/4 of it the rest will be no good, can't use after it's after it has been opened. If Vet has Revolution that will work just as good.

Mrs Skul

11-23-2009, 08:32 AM

Normally I am running off to answer to my little flying monsters.:D This time it is my little old man, Max He is 15 years old, and is a Pekingese. He needs to go out side and then wonts to eat. I am going to go for now, you take care and have a good day.:Love_Icon Give Mia kiss from this side of the pond. Christal
P.S. Keep me posted I will try to keep checking in on her.

merman

11-23-2009, 08:39 AM

Thank you Christal.
All seems to be OK for now, i will go home in a while and put the available Ivermectine on.
I will keep you all posted for sure :)

:wave123

Normally I am running off to answer to my little flying monsters.:D This time it is my little old man, Max He is 15 years old, and is a Pekingese. He needs to go out side and then wonts to eat. I am going to go for now, you take care and have a good day.:Love_Icon Give Mia kiss from this side of the pond. Christal
P.S. Keep me posted I will try to keep checking in on her.

Peaches

11-23-2009, 11:01 PM

Dont use any kind of medicated shampoo if you are using a spot on. You dont want too many chemicals on her at once. Plus washing her before or after applying any kind of spot on solution will strip the oils from her fur and prevent the solution from spreading around her body. It travels in the oils from hair folical to folical.

merman

11-24-2009, 07:35 AM

Thanks Peaches :tilt

I applied Ivermectin this morning.
I removed her bedding (quilt + fleece blanket) from her bin-nest and washed the plastic bin with hot water.. And put new fleece blanket to the bottom and then new quilt.

I am not sure how will she like it, well we touched her private property :D

Regarding 2nd dose of Ivermectin, I requested the pack to be shipped to UK (within the UK), so as soon as Nick's mother receives the pack, she will DHL it to KSA. So i expect them to be here before 2 weeks time :thumbsup

I will keep you all updated...... THANKS!!
:Love_Icon

:wave123

CritterMom

11-24-2009, 09:56 AM

Is there a way you can scrub down her cage, too? I would scrub it down, spray it with bleach and let it sit for a few minutes, then rinse it with clear water. Mites can hide ANYWHERE.

merman

11-26-2009, 05:18 AM

I cleaned the cage too..
But it is impossible to clean everything, how about the couch she is playing on most of the time ? :dono

You all know, i applied Ivermectin last Tue (24.11) morning, and changed her bedding.
She was very tensed in the evening, and didn't like her plastic bin, and new quilt. So she was trying to move inside the bin between quilt layers and she was not able to because of ecollar.
So i took the risk and removed ecollar. This would help her move in the plastic bin easier..
And since Tue night she doesn't wear ecollar but there is NO biting too.
(I don't want to wake the devil!! GOD SAVE, GOD BLESS, TOUCH WOOD etc etc..)
So it really might be related to mites then ?
And poor little girl was doing all biting because of mite invasion i guess!??
(of course it is sooooo early to say it yet!)

So since Tue, she is not wearing ecollar (i applied Ivermectin Tue morning, took ecollar of Tue night).

Look at the pics, i know not so clear but the bald area is closing and it is skin, not bloody wound.

I will keep you all updated..........

THANKS everyone.. :Love_Icon

:wave123

Is there a way you can scrub down her cage, too? I would scrub it down, spray it with bleach and let it sit for a few minutes, then rinse it with clear water. Mites can hide ANYWHERE.

CritterMom

11-26-2009, 05:30 AM

Boy, does she heal fast! That's great. I so hope this is the answer. I keep hoping to see this thread inactive! I mean, any squirrel that can smile like Mia deserves to be in perfect health!

merman

11-26-2009, 05:38 AM

Amen CritterMom, AMEN :peace

As soon as Ivermectine pack arrives in the address in Wales, they will DHL it here! So will apply the next dose in 2 weeks :flash3

Thank you all......... :Love_Icon

:wave123

Boy, does she heal fast! That's great. I so hope this is the answer. I keep hoping to see this thread inactive! I mean, any squirrel that can smile like Mia deserves to be in perfect health!

Peaches

11-27-2009, 04:13 PM

Good news so far and she looks great already. Fingers crossed.
There really isnt much you can do with stuff like the couch, this is why I think you need to keep treating Mia every few weeks for awhile. As the new one's hatch and go on her they will die. Hopefully she will eventually pick them all up and they will die.
There is only one other solution that I can think of and have used myself. You can put a pyrethrin based flea and tick cat (not dog, too strong) dip solution in a spray bottle and spray down the couch. Flea dips are rarely used anymore with the advent of spot on's but I have a case of Adams flea dip that smells more like pine than chemicals. Its the only one I have ever smelled that wasnt horrible. I can sent you a bottle if you like. I sent someone a bottle for bed bugs and it worked wonders for her too. You will have to make sure Mia is out of the room when you spray and not allowed on the couch for 24 hours after. I have even steam cleaned my carpets with it. The smell is almost pleasent and disappears fairly fast. PM me if you would like me to send some.

charlie's mommy

11-27-2009, 04:56 PM

hi!
poor little one! my girlfriend had one in california who was experiencing this same type of thing...but it was 'hot spots' a food allergie....or at least that's what they thought....but then they thought perhaps it was parasites....not that the parasites were biting, although they must...but it was the fecal matter they can leave behind that the skin reacted poorly to....so they tried a bunch of what you did, the skin treatements the cage cleanings....and it would clear up and come back.....this poor little guy just was so sensitive....i kind of told her to try spraying super silver on him and she went out to buy some...she'd tried everything else....but it worked..he cleared up within a week, and looks so much better......just keep that in mind...it may be something that can help you and your little one...
God bless!:grouphug

merman

11-29-2009, 04:43 AM

THANK YOU Peaches..
All is going good so far. (THANK GOD.. GOD SAVE)
She is one happy girl without ecollar..

The bald patch already getting furry.. :thumbsup

Yes i will treat her for couple of times more till all the bugz DIE!! :peace

Is this the product you mentioned ?
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2751946&siteID=ul.c_lKZnQE-omTkV6VJl.Kse4Epye9KKg

If yes, i can try checking online if i can buy to be sent here.
And if i cannot get it sent here, then i can ask you to send me a bottle, THANKS very much for your concern again and again !! :Love_Icon

I will keep you all updated :)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

:wave123
Vas & Mia

Good news so far and she looks great already. Fingers crossed.
There really isnt much you can do with stuff like the couch, this is why I think you need to keep treating Mia every few weeks for awhile. As the new one's hatch and go on her they will die. Hopefully she will eventually pick them all up and they will die.
There is only one other solution that I can think of and have used myself. You can put a pyrethrin based flea and tick cat (not dog, too strong) dip solution in a spray bottle and spray down the couch. Flea dips are rarely used anymore with the advent of spot on's but I have a case of Adams flea dip that smells more like pine than chemicals. Its the only one I have ever smelled that wasnt horrible. I can sent you a bottle if you like. I sent someone a bottle for bed bugs and it worked wonders for her too. You will have to make sure Mia is out of the room when you spray and not allowed on the couch for 24 hours after. I have even steam cleaned my carpets with it. The smell is almost pleasent and disappears fairly fast. PM me if you would like me to send some.

merman

11-29-2009, 04:46 AM

Thank you charlie's mommy :Love_Icon

I hope the problem is this simple and is solved now..
It seems like it.. :flash3

I really feel sad, how could we not notice and she has been suffering from (mange!?) mites.. Poor little girl of me!
Her fur has always been so shiny and healthy.. and you would never think of something like that..

Anyway, now we will watch and see.. and sure i will keep you all updated :)

xxxxx

hi!
poor little one! my girlfriend had one in california who was experiencing this same type of thing...but it was 'hot spots' a food allergie....or at least that's what they thought....but then they thought perhaps it was parasites....not that the parasites were biting, although they must...but it was the fecal matter they can leave behind that the skin reacted poorly to....so they tried a bunch of what you did, the skin treatements the cage cleanings....and it would clear up and come back.....this poor little guy just was so sensitive....i kind of told her to try spraying super silver on him and she went out to buy some...she'd tried everything else....but it worked..he cleared up within a week, and looks so much better......just keep that in mind...it may be something that can help you and your little one...
God bless!:grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

11-29-2009, 06:04 AM

i will second the adams...my vet says to spray on the base boards and allow to dry before intro animals back inside...i am glad she is not chewing, but i am still scared...it seems mia gets anything on/near her and she starts digging...hoping she is not a naughty girl anymore.:D
good luck vas.:thumbsup

Pointy Tale

11-30-2009, 02:53 PM

Vas�I�ve missed so much. Reading back from post #91. Mites? Mia has mites and larvae, oh dear. Oh poor Mia went through a lot, what a good girl. Ewww gross little worm like creatures on Mia.

Vas�I read somewhere in Shaky�s parasite thread that you bath them in Dawn dish soap, but as I wrote this realized you might not have that by you. Here was the thread about washing her, maybe something in it can help you to wash Mia??? Just a random thought. The Squirrel Board > Help Needed! > Non Life Threatening Help Needed > Need help. Shaky has parasites (http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18313)

About the couch, can you steam clean?

Good luck.

Peaches

11-30-2009, 06:58 PM

Hi Vas, That product is the same type of stuff but a different brand. I have no idea what it smells like, Some of them are pretty bad. Its up to you if you want to try that one or would rather have the Adams, If you want me to send the Adams just PM me your address. Its not a problem I'm heading to the post office this week anyway.

Mrs Skul

11-30-2009, 09:06 PM

:wave123 Hi Vas You should get the shampoo with in 2 to 3 weeks. Let me know when you receive it . You take care,
:grouphug Mia:grouphug is such a wonderful little girl. Christal

merman

12-01-2009, 02:53 AM

Wow, thanks PT, i will be reading it all now from Shaky's thread.. :Love_Icon

You have a great memory to remember what has been discussed in the past..
:thumbsup

Lemme read! :D

xxxxxxxxx
:wave123

Vas�I�ve missed so much. Reading back from post #91. Mites? Mia has mites and larvae, oh dear. Oh poor Mia went through a lot, what a good girl. Ewww gross little worm like creatures on Mia.

Vas�I read somewhere in Shaky�s parasite thread that you bath them in Dawn dish soap, but as I wrote this realized you might not have that by you. Here was the thread about washing her, maybe something in it can help you to wash Mia??? Just a random thought. The Squirrel Board > Help Needed! > Non Life Threatening Help Needed > Need help. Shaky has parasites (http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18313)

About the couch, can you steam clean?

Good luck.

merman

12-01-2009, 02:54 AM

Oh, THANK YOU Peaches..
That's really very kind of you to ask! :Love_Icon
I really am proud of being part of this lovely board. EVERYONE is very helpful......... :Love_Icon

:wave123

Hi Vas, That product is the same type of stuff but a different brand. I have no idea what it smells like, Some of them are pretty bad. Its up to you if you want to try that one or would rather have the Adams, If you want me to send the Adams just PM me your address. Its not a problem I'm heading to the post office this week anyway.

merman

12-01-2009, 02:56 AM

Christal, wow, THANKS very much.

I will let you know as soon as i get the pack.
I worked last week on the weekend too, so today i gave myself off to play with princess!! :thumbsup

I will keep you all updated..................... :thankyou

:wave123

:wave123 Hi Vas You should get the shampoo with in 2 to 3 weeks. Let me know when you receive it . You take care,
:grouphug Mia:grouphug is such a wonderful little girl. Christal

Pointy Tale

12-01-2009, 05:16 PM

Wow, thanks PT, i will be reading it all now from Shaky's thread.. :Love_Icon

You have a great memory to remember what has been discussed in the past..
:thumbsup

Lemme read! :D

xxxxxxxxx
:wave123
Vas�you�re too nice. I just remember it because Shaky, like your Mia was special and I remember that Fireweed didn�t have access to mainstream medication right away and had to use regular everyday stuff. But, I thank you so much for the compliment. I do hope it contains helpful information to you and Mia, she is so adorable!

merman

12-05-2009, 06:55 AM

Hi friends..

I wonder what do you think this is.. A kind of ulcer?.. on her back..
It was a little scab, i applied some antibiotic ointment on it.

She cannot reach and bite that part, can she?..
I noticed yesterday when we were playing..

Have a look and let me know what you guys think...... ?
.

Jackie in Tampa

12-05-2009, 07:44 AM

damn it...
what is going on?
poor baby girl...:grouphug
i hope it's just a boo boo from playing or something...:thinking

Pointy Tale

12-06-2009, 06:06 AM

Vas�are you kidding me�I just saw this�
Do you think this could be some kind of reaction to the rabies shot or something? You know I don�t know..just a random thought.

Mrs Skul

12-09-2009, 02:03 AM

:wave123 Hi Vas, Is that where you put the Spot On? If so it could be like a chemical burn. Did it fester up? Like a blister. Did any thing come out of it? You might see if the Vet can do a scrape test on that site. You need to check her over quite often to see if you find anything.(new infestation)A new allergy to some treatment.
You take care Christal

merman

12-09-2009, 06:05 AM

Hi Christal, Jackie, PT and all friends...

As i mentioned in my PM to you (Christal), it wasn't the spot-on area.
Now it healed up.

But we are having another 'small' scratching problem again around the same inner-lap area.
Yesterday was 2 week for 1st dose of latest Ivermectin treatment.
Tonight i will apply 2nd dose.
And watch if she does continue to extend the area or not. If yes.. I will put ecollar on again on Friday i think.......... :dono

It is like "look where is the new injured area" game!!

1st 2 pics are the same, taken on 4th of Dec.
3rd and 4th pics are the same as well, taken on 6th of Dec.
And the last pic is taken on 7th, yesterday.
You can clearly see she is working on the area, and slowly it is getting bigger..

Believe me guys, she is one HAPPY and active squirrel..
You watch the videos. I am spending nearly 1 hour playtime with her every morning, and my friend Nick goes from work directly to my house and play with her from 4pm till whenever she wants to sleep. And i am home around 5-5.30pm anyway.. And she's not locked up in the cage. All room is her play & climb area till i come back home. It is not about being bored or being unhappy.. :dono
:Love_Icon

Lady Squirrelly

12-09-2009, 06:08 AM

Poor sweet girl. I hope you find the answer soon.:grouphug

whopoopwrasse

12-09-2009, 08:17 AM

Ok, Vas, you don't have to answer on the other thread, I just saw this, you must be so discouraged, What on earth can possibly be bothering this poor girl, and you too, this must be killing you!! :shakehead

merman

12-10-2009, 01:59 AM

I put on Ivermectin spot on last night.
It was just 2 weeks..

She had this small (was small) boo boo since 4th of December, means on 10th day. Do you guys think Ivermectin wore out in 10 days ?

I check her wound now, and it is DRY. She didn't touch it (yet, God save).
So am thinking if it was related.
We will watch and see.

She is not happy now i am spending time on TSB!! :D She bit the enter key offfff!! :rotfl

:wave123

Ok, Vas, you don't have to answer on the other thread, I just saw this, you must be so discouraged, What on earth can possibly be bothering this poor girl, and you too, this must be killing you!! :shakehead

whopoopwrasse

12-10-2009, 02:03 AM

She is not happy now i am spending time on TSB!! :D She bit the enter key offfff!! :rotfl

:wave123

Oh NOOO, do you think Jackie's Palmer has been sending her emails behind your back with detailed instructions on how to remove the keyboard keys? :jump

Skyblader

12-10-2009, 02:33 AM

This may have been mentioned before, if so forgive me(it's late!), but it very well could be an allergic reaction to something where you live. My parents had 3 cats that were perfectly fine. Then they moved to another state, and one of the cats started getting sores that never healed. They figured out real quick the sores never healed because she wouldn't stop licking them. It got so bad at one point her mouth was full of sores, her body was covered in them and it just smelled horrible. The vets tried all kinds of things. In the end they figured the sores started from her having an allergic reaction to something there, they then got progressively worse as she kept licking them.

So they prescribed some shots (cortozone i think?) and other meds to try and help with her allergies. They even collared her to keep her from licking. That only helped so much, inevitably she would get her collar off and lick everything that had healed back open. My parents kept trying to get her healthy, mannnny trips to the vet. They finally figured out she was highly allergic to flea bites, and fleas are horribly prevalent where they live. My parents had kept flea medicine on her forever, but a flea has to bite once for the poison to kill them. One bite was all it took to start a sore and have her start licking. Oh and they also found out she was actually allergic to one of the chemicals in the flea preventive chemical! Now they have switched flea preventive products, and no longer let her outside at all to roam, and she has healed up very nicely!

I would definitely try to think of anything she is in contact with that she could be allergic too, because if she is highly allergic to anything(like flea bites!) then it just takes a small bit to cause a small sore that they lick into a huge one!

I hope you can find out whats wrong and get her healthy!

merman

12-10-2009, 03:07 AM

You can't belive how easy it is for them.
Keys pop around like a pop-corn!! :sanp3

:rotfl

:wave123

Oh NOOO, do you think Jackie's Palmer has been sending her emails behind your back with detailed instructions on how to remove the keyboard keys? :jump

merman

12-10-2009, 03:10 AM

Thanks Skyblader..
Very good points you pointed out.

Am thinking what chemical she might come in contact, but i think none.
Only possible reason of what i can think is mange mites.
I will keep watching her tho..

Thanks very much for sharing your family experience with us.

:wave123

This may have been mentioned before, if so forgive me(it's late!), but it very well could be an allergic reaction to something where you live. My parents had 3 cats that were perfectly fine. Then they moved to another state, and one of the cats started getting sores that never healed. They figured out real quick the sores never healed because she wouldn't stop licking them. It got so bad at one point her mouth was full of sores, her body was covered in them and it just smelled horrible. The vets tried all kinds of things. In the end they figured the sores started from her having an allergic reaction to something there, they then got progressively worse as she kept licking them.

So they prescribed some shots (cortozone i think?) and other meds to try and help with her allergies. They even collared her to keep her from licking. That only helped so much, inevitably she would get her collar off and lick everything that had healed back open. My parents kept trying to get her healthy, mannnny trips to the vet. They finally figured out she was highly allergic to flea bites, and fleas are horribly prevalent where they live. My parents had kept flea medicine on her forever, but a flea has to bite once for the poison to kill them. One bite was all it took to start a sore and have her start licking. Oh and they also found out she was actually allergic to one of the chemicals in the flea preventive chemical! Now they have switched flea preventive products, and no longer let her outside at all to roam, and she has healed up very nicely!

I would definitely try to think of anything she is in contact with that she could be allergic too, because if she is highly allergic to anything(like flea bites!) then it just takes a small bit to cause a small sore that they lick into a huge one!

I hope you can find out whats wrong and get her healthy!

wheezer

12-10-2009, 04:11 PM

I am catching up here and so sorry this is still going on:(
It does look like there has been some progress but problem still not solved.

I am so happy you have such great support here on TSB:grouphug

Glad Mia is having a great life with you in spite of her problems:) You are such a great Dad:bowdown

Mrs Skul

12-10-2009, 09:44 PM

:wave123 Hi Vas, Mange Mites are some time hard to kill. They burrow into the skin and hair follicle. :shakehead Then they start eating. Some times the animal is allergic to the droppings or the bite of the mite. This is what causes them to itch. When you get the box I mailed. It has several things for you to try.:nono Don't go over board on buying a lot of stuff. Try this first. This is what we use for dog, cat, squirrels, and all others. Just watch Mia. When you see her itching, and biting her self. Try putting some alcohol on a cotton ball. Then wipe that area. See how that works.(make sure that alcohol wets the skin a little. It might sting, so blow on it for a few min,or dry.) You already know she has Mange Mites. Let's treat accordingly. Good luck Vas and sweet little Mia. Christal
P.S. I did put some Dawn dish soap in with the other stuff. Just in case nothing else works. :D Vas, We know you love Mia. :Love_Icon We don't have to question you on how Happy and healthy she is. We see it in her video and pictures. We hear how you talk about her. It is hard to get a handle on this right now. But you will. That is why we are all hear to help you through this stressful time. It always help to bounce questions off other people.:frustratedx We will get rid of those nasty:mad: Mange Mites :madd.

JLM27

12-10-2009, 09:52 PM

Not to mention how much she wears that beautiful smile!

merman

12-11-2009, 11:00 AM

Hi Christal, Jill, Wheezer and all friends :)

We had a veryyy good weekend.
Now it is 7pm and princess went to bed around 1 hour ago.

She was good and VERY playful.
Her wound was a bit more extended but i didnt see her playing with it after Ivermectin drops, and gave her 1 more free day. if tomorrow it is fresh and bloody, i will put ecollar on till it heals..

Christal, THANK YOU so much for the parcel, hope we will receive it soon.
I will tell you when it arrives. And we will take it from there.

I HOPE she doesn't open it tonight or tomorrow morning........ :nono

I will keep you all updated.............

:wave123

Mrs Skul

12-12-2009, 03:05 AM

I pray it is ok to night

merman

12-12-2009, 03:34 AM

Ok, latest update, the wound wasn't fresh-open in the morning.
It was dry, i just put a little emu oil on my finger and touched on it while playing without showing her!! :thumbsup

Of course this doesn't guaranty she won't touch it, but at least, i didn't bother her since 9th of Dec. that i applied 2nd dose of Ivermectin spot on! :thumbsup

Will keep an eye on her and will keep you all updated for sure...........

:wave123

Jackie in Tampa

12-12-2009, 08:30 AM

:bowdown what a dad you are:bowdown
always taking the 'best care' of MIA!:grouphug
i also am using the emu oil on Hopes hands and ear tips...

merman

12-12-2009, 02:50 PM

Thank you Jackie..
Indeed, you all are the ones i should salute! :Love_Icon

I should say you all, i put ecollar back on 2 hours back.. :o

I will keep you all updated..........
And now i am off to bed.. nite nite everyone.. Have a great Sunday tomorrow..

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

:bowdown what a dad you are:bowdown
always taking the 'best care' of MIA!:grouphug
i also am using the emu oil on Hopes hands and ear tips...

CritterMom

12-12-2009, 04:30 PM

Don't forget the humidifier...

Mrs Skul

12-15-2009, 10:12 PM

:wave123 Hi Vas, Just thought of something! :thinking You give Mia a wet towel to bath her self with. How often? When you put Ivermectin on. You need to wait 24 to 48 Hours before letting her get wet or damp. I know Mites will lay hundreds and hundreds of eggs. It takes 2 weeks for them to hatch. We just need to keep killing all new hatch-lings.:D How is Mia doing today? Darla is kicking Spankys butt all over the cage, and house. He then comes running to me, to save his Little fuzzy neck.:rotfl Then Darla goes back to sleep. Spanky will go and wake her up and the chase is on. I think it is winter cabin fever. Good luck with Mia. Christal CM2020 CM922 CM924 CM2290 CM2012 CM2272
Wishing you and your family a Very Merry Christmas
HAPPY NEW YEAR

merman

12-20-2009, 04:23 AM

Hello hello helloo :)

I AM SOOOOO SORRY for silence..

We are doing good..
I bought the humidifier.. Let's see and hope it will it help :thumbsup
I used to put wet towel there every morning. :sanp3
So i will NOT :thumbsup

Dear Christal, the pack you sent didn't arrive yet.
And my friend Nick is left last night to UK for Christmas.
He will be back on 30th, so hopefully we will get it then :thumbsup
Thanks AGAIN......... :Love_Icon

She was very playful last night.
Actually she was off the bed when i was back home.
And after a while she poked her head out and i gave her a blueberry to eat.. and then she didn't go to bed till mid night jumping all over me!!

Andddddd (sorry for too many 'and'zzzz)....
Last night scab fell off again. :alright.gif
It is still sensitive and pinkish there. So ecollar is staying a little longer..
Maybe until New Year.. We will see..

I will keep you all updated..

chickoo

12-20-2009, 10:19 PM

i get nervous when i dont see posts from merman for a WEEK!!!
glad to hear mia darling is doing well.........even though e-collar is on (horrid thing)...........take care, you two!!

Pointy Tale

12-21-2009, 03:04 PM

Hello Vas & Mia�
Just checking in. Glad you�re both doing good!

merman

01-08-2010, 04:27 AM

Ok, Ecollar is off since 3rd of Jan.
And here is the latest pic taken, yesterday :)

Christal, the parcel still didn't arrive.
God knows if it will arrive at all, they have a different mentality here in this country!!

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

:wave123

Jackie in Tampa

01-08-2010, 05:18 AM

:D hello friends!
Would you look at that pretty belly...oh lalal!
love ya guys:Love_Icon

CritterMom

01-08-2010, 08:16 AM

Uh oh, Here I am at work, trying to play "tickle tickle belleh" with my monitor. Not good...

Look at her - typical little girl, grasping the pretty jewelry - Mine, mine, MINE!!! Keep your mind on the baubles and off the self-nibbling, Mia, and be a good girl!

merman

01-10-2010, 08:00 AM

Ok, We are back to the beginning again.
She did it on the weekend that we were together allllll the day long, friday morning i saw some pinkish areas on leg. Didn't put ecollar on. But Saturday morning it was worse, so it is back on..

I applied Ivermectin pipettes not even every 2 weeks, like every 10-12 days..
I don't think it is mange issue. She is not even scratching any more..

Oufff.. :dono

x

Jackie in Tampa

01-10-2010, 01:44 PM

sigh....Mia, what is it baby girl, what's wrong.

sorry Vas:grouphug I feel your frustration...
not knowing how to help:shakehead
not knowing what is up!
sending better vibes this time!:Love_Icon

Mrs Skul

02-08-2010, 05:02 AM

:wave123 Hi Vas Just wondering how Mia is doing! :grouphug

Mrs Skul

03-12-2010, 02:19 PM

:wave123 Hi Vas I was wondering if the stuff I sent to you is doing any good? How is Mia doing?:grouphug I hope all is well. I have not heard from you in awhile. Wishing you and Mia good luck.Christal

merman

03-12-2010, 04:34 PM

Hi Christal..

Thanks very much for your message..
Indeed, princess is doing good, THANKS TO GOD!
I don't want to wake the devil, so i don't talk about it much. But she is very good.
No ecollar since Jan, i mean since i gave her a bath with the shampoos you sent and also i use revolution you sent. THANKS Christal, it was a wow box and very kind of you! Appreciated a lot! :Love_Icon

You can see her pictures for today in her other thread (Mia's World.. (http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17941&page=47)):
http://www.thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17941&page=47

And i attached a pic that you can clearly see her leg, down..
Indeed there is still some playing with the leg. But it is not like before.

Thanks again and again for interest and checking on her......... :Love_Icon

:wave123

:wave123 Hi Vas I was wondering if the stuff I sent to you is doing any good? How is Mia doing?:grouphug I hope all is well. I have not heard from you in awhile. Wishing you and Mia good luck.Christal