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Caglemedic
05-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Hey Loopy squirrel I have been a researching and found this article (from 1972) where they analyzed 8 gray squirrels milk, I am researching what formulas are best fitted.

Here is the website https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/5665
and https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/5665/1/V72N01_003.pdf

It says in about 2 cc, contained 9.0 percent protein, 12.1 percent fat, 3.0 percent lactose, 1.3 percent ash, 0.36 percent calcium, and 0.45 percent phosphorus.

Esbilac is 33% protein, 40% fat, 5% ash (2 tsp)
Goats Milk Esbilac is 33% protein, 40% fat, 5% moisture, 7.75% ash (2 tsp)
Evaporated Goats milk (vit d) is 4% protein, 3% fat, (2TBSP)

Has anyone tried any other replacers? I once tried UNIMILK or Nurse All, I believe it was NurseAll because Unimilk had the china recall crap ( I think).

As for Unimilk here's it analysis.
22% protein, 15% fat, calcium 1-1.25 %, .8% phosphorus, it also has 1.7% Lysine.

NurseAll
24% protein, 24% fat, Calcium is 1-1.25%, .8% phosphorus and 2.10 lysine.

Now some of us maybe familiar with Multi-milk, it is combined with your formula to get the closest nutritional value. Low lactose but a high milk protein; 32.47% protein, 55.36% fat, 3.42% lactose, 1.36% calcium, .85% phosphorus.
(Not for puppies or kittens but used with wild and exotic animals.)

Also Zoologic 30/5533% protein, 55% fat, 5% moisture, and 8% ash

Zoologic 42/25
42% protein, 25% fat, 5% moisture, and 7% ash.

We all know Esbilac and its goats milk can be pricey,5 LB at $49.95
Nurseall is 3.5lb for about $17.
Multimilk 20 ounce $41.50.

Extras:
Yogurt 0% protein, .5% fat but good bacteria (1 ounce)
Whipping cream for fat:0% protein, 2% fat ... guess it’s not that fattening!(1 oz)
Rice cereal .25% proteins, 3.25% calcium (1 oz)
Nutri-cal .68% protein, 28.14% fat, .5% ash (1 tsp)at $12-13 a tube


We have to address the unique nurishment that captive squirrel have like the lack of sunlight, what vit's are needed. I understand that a lot of people believe lets not mess with what works but with times like we have now, what is the best but yet the most affordable?

4skwerlz
05-21-2009, 08:39 AM
Hey Loopy squirrel I have been a researching and found this article (from 1972) where they analyzed 8 gray squirrels milk, I am researching what formulas are best fitted.

Here is the website https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/5665
and https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/5665/1/V72N01_003.pdf

It says in about 2 cc, contained 9.0 percent protein, 12.1 percent fat, 3.0 percent lactose, 1.3 percent ash, 0.36 percent calcium, and 0.45 percent phosphorus.

Esbilac is 33% protein, 40% fat, 5% ash (2 tsp)
Goats Milk Esbilac is 33% protein, 40% fat, 5% moisture, 7.75% ash (2 tsp)
Evaporated Goats milk (vit d) is 4% protein, 3% fat, (2TBSP)

Has anyone tried any other replacers? I once tried UNIMILK or Nurse All, I believe it was NurseAll because Unimilk had the china recall crap ( I think).

As for Unimilk here's it analysis.
22% protein, 15% fat, calcium 1-1.25 %, .8% phosphorus, it also has 1.7% Lysine.

NurseAll
24% protein, 24% fat, Calcium is 1-1.25%, .8% phosphorus and 2.10 lysine.

Now some of us maybe familiar with Multi-milk, it is combined with your formula to get the closest nutritional value. Low lactose but a high milk protein; 32.47% protein, 55.36% fat, 3.42% lactose, 1.36% calcium, .85% phosphorus.
(Not for puppies or kittens but used with wild and exotic animals.)

Also Zoologic 30/5533% protein, 55% fat, 5% moisture, and 8% ash

Zoologic 42/25
42% protein, 25% fat, 5% moisture, and 7% ash.

We all know Esbilac and its goats milk can be pricey,5 LB at $49.95
Nurseall is 3.5lb for about $17.
Multimilk 20 ounce $41.50.

Extras:
Yogurt 0% protein, .5% fat but good bacteria (1 ounce)
Whipping cream for fat:0% protein, 2% fat ... guess it’s not that fattening!(1 oz)
Rice cereal .25% proteins, 3.25% calcium (1 oz)
Nutri-cal .68% protein, 28.14% fat, .5% ash (1 tsp)at $12-13 a tube


We have to address the unique nurishment that captive squirrel have like the lack of sunlight, what vit's are needed. I understand that a lot of people believe lets not mess with what works but with times like we have now, what is the best but yet the most affordable?

I found that article last year....interesting isn't it? There doesn't seem to be much drive to find better formulas, since Esbilac and Fox Valley seem to work pretty well.

However, I do agree this is worth looking into. I'm particularly concerned about the vitamin/mineral content of the formulas we're using--especially the calcium content. If you have time (I don't right now) why don't you write the formula makers and ask for a complete nutritional breakdown of their formulas--not just percentage, but how many mgs/serving (or whatever measurement they have) for each nutrient. Then we could compare that with the analysis above, plus the rat RDA. I'd love to have a look at whatever you come up with.

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Anne
05-21-2009, 09:50 AM
This thread is very interesting. I am going to keep checking and see what we learn:goodpost

Caglemedic
05-21-2009, 06:20 PM
Great suggestion especially for those nights I am wide awake.