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foxsquirrels
05-07-2009, 08:47 PM
Annette, Im trying to explain this to someone, and I need your help. Could you please break it all down for me for baby squirrels dehydrated from starvation.

Thanks,
Gail


Hi Gail! Ive been doing this a long time and have found out some things by necropsy, and some by a brilliant DVM with a double masters in nutrition. She has always picked my methods apart, and then told me "why". Today recovering dehydrated and emaciated animals is one of my specialties along with wounds and bone breaks. Ive got this down and I hope my experiences will help you to master these methods.
In small mammals as small as squirrels, you are always better off to re hydrate with glucose or sugar water than pedialyte when the animal is dehydrated from lack of fluids or milk. Theres a few reasons, but mainly the preservatives that are used in the commercial electrolytes for human consumption. In a human sized kidney, or even a large breed puppy, not a big deal, but in the kidneys of a tiny squirrel, you have these little filters the size of half to a whole pea, and they are battling to keep the impurities out of the blood which is now thickened and concentrated, in a body that cannot afford to flush them out because it cant afford the fluid loss to make urine. The kidneys are already in trouble. Those chemicals are immediately caught in the kidneys because the body cannot use them for anything. Pedialyte often contains dye and flavoring which should never be used, but the preservatives alone can cause problems you wont even see. In cross section necropsies of kidneys for other rehabbers, I have found crystals, inflammation and blockage from Pedialyte and Gatorade. The Gatorade is just insane. I wont even drink it after seeing how the kidneys are affected. I have necropsied HUGE BLUE Gatorade kidneys! When the body is dehydrated and the kidneys are that small, we must only give the system things it can break down and use. There is no room for added chemicals. We have to stay as pure as possible.
In dehydration from starvation, just go with 1 tsp per cup warm water, infant glucose water or dextrose and water. The body can use that sugar. It makes a world of difference in stabilizing your baby and getting them back up. You can feed only the sugar water or glucose for a day, day and a half, and start adding your protein (formula) to the glucose or sugar water in reduced amounts, keeping them on the sugar until they rehydrate and their weight is back up. The BONUS to this is that they burn the sugar as energy which causes the body to store the protein, which brings weight up more effectively. The ADDED BONUS is that you can mix your protein and your rehydration fluid. You CANNOT MIX ELECTROLYTES AND PROTEIN. You cancel them both out by doing this. You will starve your baby of all help by doing this. Never never mix.
In an animal dehydrated from starvation or lack of fluids, they havent lost electrolytes as they would have from a case of diarrhea, to which an electrolyte can be used. Since sugar can actually cause diarrhea (which it will NOT do in a dehydrated animal), in an animal dehydrated from diarrhea, I recommend unflavored Pedialyte given BETWEEN protein feedings, or alternate with a starch like rice cereal water. I still use the infant glucose for this, and if I have to give an electrolyte, I use reconstituted mammal electrolyte powder.
Often protein can cause diarrhea if its an alien source, so pulling the protein and adding a starch will often do the trick. Remember, starch converts to sugar. Starch actually IS a long chain sugar, so no need to add sugar when using a starch. Its amazing how the two are so similarly used by the body, but produce the opposite result in therapy!
Anyway, I hope something here helps!
Annette
Wild Heart Ranch

island rehabber
05-07-2009, 08:56 PM
:goodpost Thank you.

Buddy'sMom
05-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Yes! This was exactly what I was looking for. :thankyou

4skwerlz
05-07-2009, 09:16 PM
So my takeaway is:

1. For squirrels dehydrated due to starvation (orphaned babies), use sugar water: 1 tsp per cup of warm water. Feed this for 1 to 1.5 days, then begin adding formula to the rehydration fluid. Suggested "schedule" for this? Do not use pedialyte, gatorade, or homemade electrolyte solution.

2. For squirrels dehydrated due to diarrhea, use unflavored Pedialyte. Do not use homemade rehydration formula because it contains sugar, which can cause diarrhea. Alternate Pedialyte with feedings of starch/water like watered-down rice cereal.

Questions:

Would a squirrel dehydrated due to bleeding/injury get #1 or #2?

What about a squirrel dehydrated due to general debilitation, such as pox or maloccluded teeth? Assume they would get #1 also.

Does unflavored Pedialyte still contain preservatives? If so, then wouldn't homemade rehydration formula be better?

This represents a major change in the advice we give people. Recommend we sort this out and make a new sticky.

tatcat
05-07-2009, 09:30 PM
:goodpost i will most deff keep an eye on this thread!! :thankyou

Mookie's Mom
05-10-2009, 12:49 PM
This is very interesting information! :thumbsup

Anne
05-11-2009, 07:56 AM
:thankyou :thankyou For an excellent post. I will continue to check and see what the input it on this. Always eager to learn.

Ontario Rehabber
05-11-2009, 10:17 AM
Great information. :thumbsup Looking forward to a response.

Fireweed
07-02-2009, 04:28 PM
So my takeaway is:

1. For squirrels dehydrated due to starvation (orphaned babies), use sugar water: 1 tsp per cup of warm water. Feed this for 1 to 1.5 days, then begin adding formula to the rehydration fluid. Suggested "schedule" for this? Do not use pedialyte, gatorade, or homemade electrolyte solution.

2. For squirrels dehydrated due to diarrhea, use unflavored Pedialyte. Do not use homemade rehydration formula because it contains sugar, which can cause diarrhea. Alternate Pedialyte with feedings of starch/water like watered-down rice cereal.

Questions:

Would a squirrel dehydrated due to bleeding/injury get #1 or #2?

What about a squirrel dehydrated due to general debilitation, such as pox or maloccluded teeth? Assume they would get #1 also.

Does unflavored Pedialyte still contain preservatives? If so, then wouldn't homemade rehydration formula be better?

This represents a major change in the advice we give people. Recommend we sort this out and make a new sticky.

I'm very interested in all this, and also the questions raised by 4s. Are there squirrel people working on this? Any new sticky yet? :poke

ozadelic
08-26-2009, 04:33 AM
Thank you for this!

I'm guessing by his size and bare bottomed tail he's only 4-5 weeks old. He's got top and bottom chompers but the rest is all bare gums. His coordination is a little off and I find he needs help going to the bathroom, which I am at somewhat of a loss for..

But the rehydration information here you've posted really helps.
Now I'm not so sure if I want to give this squirrel to the woman who says shes a rehabilitator..

She reccomended a goats milk and pedialyte diet, one part to one part..but she didn't say anything about sugar water, or even water! And unfortunately because I am so new at this task I had no idea.

I've since switched him over to warm water, but the next time he drinks I'll put some sugar in it for him to see if that helps.

Is the goats milk a terrible idea? I keep being told no, but then some people tell me yes? I'm extremely confused.

I do not want this guy to die! He's adorable and deserves a life!~



-Laura

4skwerlz
08-26-2009, 09:28 AM
Thank you for this!

I'm guessing by his size and bare bottomed tail he's only 4-5 weeks old. He's got top and bottom chompers but the rest is all bare gums. His coordination is a little off and I find he needs help going to the bathroom, which I am at somewhat of a loss for..

But the rehydration information here you've posted really helps.
Now I'm not so sure if I want to give this squirrel to the woman who says shes a rehabilitator..

She reccomended a goats milk and pedialyte diet, one part to one part..but she didn't say anything about sugar water, or even water! And unfortunately because I am so new at this task I had no idea.

I've since switched him over to warm water, but the next time he drinks I'll put some sugar in it for him to see if that helps.

Is the goats milk a terrible idea? I keep being told no, but then some people tell me yes? I'm extremely confused.

I do not want this guy to die! He's adorable and deserves a life!~



-Laura

Never, ever mix formula with Pedialyte! Formula should always be mixed with plain tap water. If extra fluids need to be given for rehydration, they should be given between feedings. And Pedialyte should never be given in any case for more than 24-48 hours, since it is high in sodium.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what this rehabber has recommended to you: half goat's milk and half Pedialyte mixed? If that's true, then I'm afraid her methods are not what they should be.

Your baby should be on Esbilac formula (Fox Valley is fine too). A diet of plain milk (from a cow or from a goat) does not have the proper nutrients.