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muffinsquirrel

03-20-2009, 09:54 PM

It is becoming difficult for me to sit and watch and to not be able to stop it. I have all these contacts and all these meds and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

I can only imagine how terrible it must be for you - your strength is past my understanding. And the frustration of holding one as he dies tears your heart out. But never feel that it doesn't make a difference. You made a huge difference for Rocky - he experienced the love and compassion of our best....you. He was KNOWN - he didn't die with no one even knowing that he existed.

And you are making a difference for many many more generations of squirrels yet to come. You gave Rocky love, and in return he gave you a deeper knowledge of this monster that you, and all of us, are fighting. Although one squirrel can not give you the answer, he can add another piece to the puzzle, and bring you that much closer to understanding the whole picture.

So NEVER feel that you are not making a difference. You have the love and support and appreciation of everyone on here for what you do. Not many people could do it - have you any idea how strong you are? And how much we admire you for it?

Thank you for being there.

muffinsquirrel

Sciurus1

03-20-2009, 09:57 PM

I am so sorry Loopy, I know you fight hard along side them in the trenches, but it is a tough war, and few battles are won, yet no one needs tell you that it isn't worth the effort, for surely it is! The ones that make it through are truly amazing. Thank you Loopy for all you have done for these poor creatures.

May dear Rocky rest in the light of God's presense in peace and joy, his battle now over, and may God comfort you once more in this loss.

squirrelcharmer

03-21-2009, 12:41 PM

Hi everyone,
I was getting nervous this morning, didn't see Patches, my real sick poxy squirrel, till just about 1/2 hour ago. He came to his normal sunning spot on my son's swingset. I saw him and went down stairs right away and put a tray of food for him. He ate a piece of grape and a few nuts, but then was scared off by another squirrel and bird, and he went back in the woods. He is looking skinnier and his underside and back legs look really bad, but his face and sides have been scabbed up and drying up really well. I am just nervous about what is on the inside of his little body. I didn't get the meds yet, my mail has already come today, so will have to wait till Monday. But I have to go on a field trip with my son, so won't be home till 3;00 and if meds come, will be able to give them at his evening feeding. Thinking I should trap him, but don't want to stress him , if he is coming each day for food and water. Just don't know how long he will do this, hopefully he can fight this horrific virus. My family was deeply sadden by the loss of our Rocky, but know he is in better hands and happy now. God bless Loopy for caring for him as long as he had left. She is wonderful. Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

03-21-2009, 12:51 PM

sharon, the post office said monday, sorry.
If he will eat the special peanuts, I would not trap. It is my best advise for now,...it's the stress thing.:Love_Icon
feed him, medicate him and love him.:grouphug
R.I.P.Rocky my friend
Thank you Loopys amd Sharon.:grouphug
I love you Chip

Buddy'sMom

03-21-2009, 03:24 PM

:grouphug Loopy, I am so sorry for this new loss and for all you are going through in trying to save them. :grouphug
:grouphug squirrelcharmer and family, I'm so sorry your friend couldn't win this battle with pox. :grouphug
:Love_Icon :Love_Icon RIP Rocky, you are at peace now. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Loopy, I can only echo what others have said -- you have been aewsome through this and your dedication and love for these terribly ill squirrels is not in vain. They have been safe and loved, and made more comfortable with pain meds. These are squirrels that could not have survived in the wild -- they would have either starved or been at the mercy of preditors if left alone, and without pain meds. I think what we are learning is that there are some that are just too ill to be saved, but only can be helped to a peaceful end. A conversation for another day. You gave them comfort and safety and love -- and did your all, armed with all the knowledge we have, to give them a chance for survival that they would not have had without you -- and all those that worked together to get them to you. :bowdown :bowdown A great gift, despite the cruel and heartbreaking ending. :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

squirrelcharmer, from your descriptions of Patches, and even from the pictures, it appears he is fighting the virus and winning the battle. :thumbsup Typically when the pox dry up, scab and fall off, that is a sign of healing. I know it still looks ugly. And painful. When the meds come, that should help him. At this stage I do not think trapping him will help, and the stress will compromise his immune system when he needs every bit of fight that system can muster. It is too late in the disease for the acyclovir (antiviral) to help (his body has already done what the antiviral would do). Supporting him in place is probably the very best thing you can do for him -- with food, water, meds. Rest assured that he has many prayers from throughout the TSB community. :grouphug

We think that it is only in the worst cases that the pox affects them internally. Since Patches seems to be recovering, the disease probably (hopefully) did not get as bad for him and was just the external pox lesions. Like most illnesses, there are mild cases (a couple of pox), moderate ones (Patches), and terrible cases (Rocky, Taz, Tiny Mite). In the very terrible cases, where we would most like to make a difference, it may be that cure and recovery are simply not possible and what we can offer is safety and pain relief. Which is STILL quite a lot to offer. And STILL makes a difference. :Love_Icon

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

03-23-2009, 12:56 PM

Jackie,
Got your package today, thanks so much. Saw Patches in the tree this morning, but couldn't get him to come down for food, I have a peanut and a piece of apple ready for him when I see him out. My younger son was sick last night with his asthma, so he stayed home from school and we didn't have to go on the field trip, so we are watching for Patches to appear. I can't wait till he starts getting the medicine in him. Took some more pictures, and a video, video was to long and sad to send . It breaks my heart watching him trying to walk. I sure hope he pulls thru, we have another one ( Spot ) which has a small spot on his side and a few small spots on back leg, should we treat him with the meds as well? Thanks again, Sharon

squirrelcharmer

03-23-2009, 06:32 PM

Hi everyone,
Was very successful tonight, had to bring my son's to the doctor and when we came home my sick little Patches was sitting in the tree out back. I went in right away and put meds in a peanut and a piece of an apple. I prayed he would come down to eat. I moved away and keep other squirrels away from that tree. Slowly he made his way down and ate both the peanut and the apple. I was so HAPPY! , basically that was his daily amount since he didn't get any this morning. He climbed back up the tree and looks like he is resting comfortably. He normal tries to climb and get to the back of the woods, but he is just resting in this tree closest to the house. I am so glad to have started his meds. Pray he does alright. Thanks again Jackie, Sharon.

atlantasquirrelgirl

03-23-2009, 06:45 PM

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Buddy'sMom

03-23-2009, 06:50 PM

:alright.gif :bowdown That's great news! I hope he comes for more tomorrow. :thumbsup

Jackie in Tampa

03-23-2009, 06:53 PM

:grouphug

4skwerlz

03-23-2009, 07:34 PM

Good work.:thumbsup It must be a relief to know you're able to do something for him. Hoping and praying poor little Patches responds to the treatment.:grouphug

lookmomchickens

03-23-2009, 07:35 PM

:wahoo

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Good work!

squirrelcharmer

03-25-2009, 08:50 PM

4skwerlz

03-25-2009, 09:12 PM

Hi everyone,
Patches seems to be happier and coming down at least 3 or 4 times a day looking for food and water. I have been giving him his meds that Jackie sent and he seems to be able to move around better. Though he still walks using 2 or 3 legs and sort of hops and walks like a crab, he doesn't seem to be in the pain he was. His sides are looking better, just legs and underneath are bad. Saw another bad poxy squirrel in my neighborhood. About 3 streets overs, he reminded me of Rocky. He is very Poxy all under neck and chest and has only one eye open. Tried to see if I could catch him and bring him to my yard for meds, but I couldn't. Plus I am sure he is comfortable in his own yard, and knows where to find his food, even though he would be happier in my backyard. My older son saw him and called me and asked me to come and see if we could rescue him. My boys are really involved with the squirrels as well. I sent recent pics to Jackie of Patches, don't know if someone can post them for her. I just hope Patches can fight this awful virus, he looks to be getting some relief since meds have started. ANY WORD ON MY CHIP? I have been wondering how he is. If anyone knows just let me know, I would love to see a new photo of him. We miss him, as well as Rocky, but Rocky is in a happier place and not suffering anymore. God bless Loopy for caring for him as long as she was able to. Sharon

Last I heard, which was this morning, Chip was doing well. Holding his own and adapting to everything well. The lesion on his face is still big, but no significant new lesions.

Do you think Patches is limping from the pox or some other injury? I'm glad you see some improvement, but if he takes a turn for the worse, let us know. But it might be too late then. Same for the other squirrel in your neighborhood. I know it's a hard decision; not sure if treatment will really help. But if you trap them, we'll figure out a way to come and get them and treat them. My truck is working again so if I can help, let me know.

I know this must be hard for you and your family. It's heartbreaking to watch creatures suffering.:grouphug Bless you for trying to help.:grouphug

squirrelcharmer

03-25-2009, 10:45 PM

Leigh,
That was nice of you to offer to come get my sick squirrels. Patches, I beielve is walking that way because of pox. If you could see the legs and underside of him. I have video tapped him, but can't seem to send that to Jackie, just pictures. I am going to have someone else post the pics and resize for me. Maybe you can see in a few what I am talking about. I do know what you said about in the genital area, but I observed him urinating today, still it is bad underthere and his backside. I really hope the antibiotics start helping, and the metcam must be taking some pain away. He is still always straching and biting at himself. Maybe if you see the pics you can decide what should be done. Thanks for everything Leigh. Patches is a shy one, but may not be hard to catch with his walking problems. Sharon

squirrelcharmer

03-25-2009, 10:46 PM

Legomom0701 has offered to resize my photos of patches and put them on the board. You should be seeing them soon or tomorrow. Sharon

Legomom

03-25-2009, 11:31 PM

Here are your pics, Sharon. Poor baby. :grouphug

If you can upload your video to photobucket, then paste the IMG code into the 'reply to post' box where you type your messages, it should show up on the board.

LoveScratty

03-26-2009, 12:04 AM

That is just terrible, god bless you for helping these little guys.
And all of you involved in helping thses cuties.:bowdown
Good luck, and I hope they improve

~A very worried Colleen~

Jackie in Tampa

03-26-2009, 04:38 AM

Thanks Shanon for resizing.
Sharon, he looks horrible, however I still think that trapping is stressful. He is at stage we have discussed, his Pox are drying up. You are giving good support, meds and supplimenting his food/water sources. Thankfully his eyes aren't affected as Rockys were and he has some defense left in that he has vision. Praying for all your babies!:grouphug

Loopy Squirrel

03-26-2009, 11:12 AM

Chip update: Chip is doing pretty good so far. He is eating and coming out. He waits until I leave the room though. He has lost a little weight but he is very hungry and eats just about everything I give him. His lesions are getting smaller. He has a few nasty ones that are taking longer to go away but I am very hopeful that he can pull through this.

foxsquirrels

03-26-2009, 11:36 AM

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ella

03-26-2009, 12:49 PM

That is so good to hear, sending hugs :grouphug to you and Chip, May God Bless you. You are doing a wonderful thing caring for Chip....Pam

rippie-n-lilgirlsmom

03-26-2009, 12:54 PM

Legomom

03-26-2009, 09:02 PM

Patches 3/26/09 :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

03-26-2009, 09:34 PM

Bless your heart Patches, I love you!

He is getting meds for pain and secondary bacterial infections and a healthy diet. Considering his virus, he looks pretty good, lesions are open and drying. Praying for his survival :grouphug
Thanks Sharon and family for taking great care of your yard buddies!:bowdown

squirrelcharmer

03-27-2009, 01:06 AM

Thanks for posting Patches photo's. He does have his days where he looks better than some days. His left side of his body looks great, hardly any lesions, its more on the left and under side of him. I love the first 3 photo;s of him, it was right after meds, you can see his little eyes getting heavy, then closing for a nice nap. He seems comfortable after his meds. I had to work yesterday and will have to today, but I always put fresh water and food down before I go to school. When I came home yesterday, I had 4 of my squirrels running in the driveway after me when they saw me pull in. Then I went out to feed them and give them clean water, went out looking for Patches in his favorite tree, saw him, told him Mommy was home, talked to him for awhile then, waited back on my porch for about 20 minutes and he made his way down the tree and came out to eat, I removed the other food and replaced with his meds, he ate those then got a drink and went back to his tree. About an hour later he returned,filled up on avacado,apple,grape,nut and seeds then headed for his nest. We watched him go up to it and my youngest son kept yelling goodnight to him. It is a pleasure being with these little critters, we love them, and I love caring for them, thanks to all of your help here on the board with advice and care. I sure hope Patches pulls thru this, he does look a little bit stronger and happier each day, thanks to Jackie for getting his meds to me, god love her, I know I do and so does my Patches. Sharon

Nancy in New York

03-27-2009, 02:43 AM

Nice Post...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon

4skwerlz

03-27-2009, 05:12 AM

Thanks for the update.

:grouphug I think about you and your little fuzzy friends every day.:grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

03-27-2009, 07:06 AM

Thank you Sharon...I have sweet tears...hearing how comfortable Patches looks after his meds...God Love him.:grouphug

This is a life lesson with your children and I hope that they can have one victory to celebrate...in the end...Lord let it be Patches.

Thank you for taking great care of these sqs, sounds like room service has been added to their daily shenanigans, not bad...in the keys eating grapes and pecans, a sq paradise...now let's get them well!:thumbsup
Thanks Sharon....

island rehabber

03-27-2009, 07:37 AM

Jackie :bowdown and Sharon :bowdown :grouphug

I'm moving this thread to Non Life-Threatening for now, so it doesn't trigger emails to rehabbers when a post is added. Sharon, should you need immediate emergency help, just create a new post in Emergency and we'll all be notified as before. Prayers and good energies coming down to you in the Keys for these brave, beautiful squirrels.

4skwerlz

03-27-2009, 10:25 AM

I'm SOOO glad you have meds to give poor little Patches. Sometimes the pain and discomfort can lead to more debilitation by causing stress, loss of appetite, etc. You are truly helping him fight this awful disease! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Buddy'sMom

03-27-2009, 10:45 AM

SO GLAD to hear that Chip and Patches are coming along and seem to be improving!! :thumbsup :thumbsup It's wonderful news that they want to eat :wahoo :wahoo And that Patches' Ouchies are now more comfortable with the meds. :)

:grouphug :grouphug Chip:grouphug :grouphug
:grouphug :grouphug Patches:grouphug :grouphug

wheezer

03-27-2009, 11:13 AM

MsOakley

03-27-2009, 11:36 AM

Hey Sharon,

I missed the post that said what you're giving him in the way of meds and would like to know. Also, how do you get it into Patches food? Figured I may run into this someday (hope not!) and any tips are useful. Keep up the good care. All the squirrel board devotees are pulling for you and them.

squirrelcharmer

03-27-2009, 02:21 PM

The meds I am giving Patches is what Jackie sent me, Batriyl for infection and metcam for pain. I just put it in a little piece of apple or grape, with some peanut butter and set it out for him, and keep others away from it.

Nancy in New York

03-27-2009, 07:11 PM

Awe, many prayers being sent your way for your little babies..keep up the fantiastic work...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Jackie in Tampa

03-27-2009, 09:09 PM

:thumbsup
It is nice to now we can give him some relief!
Love you Patches! :grouphug

Mads

03-27-2009, 10:09 PM

I am so happy this is out of the "threatening stage::multi

I too believe the best way to handle the wild pox situation is try to get the meds to them and not trap and move. I found with the research I have done and curing birds of pox at the rehab center where I last worked, that the worst thing that can be done is stress the animal. The best is to offer good nutrition, they have incredible healing abilities, then meds to further help..You are doing a fantastic job:bowdown

I AGREE....also , I found that when my Fab 5 had pox, I gave them sea meal and the only way I found to make sure they got it was to use almond butter....of course, almond butter is only 4 times the cost of peanut butter, but these squirrels are no dummys! lol I would put it on a spoon... they would lick it clean....sometimes they would even take off with the whole spoon after it was licked clean....many times I would see them high in the trees jumping from one tree to another with my spoon hanging out of their mouths! It was quite comical, and usually, they would end up dropping the spoon.
I was very happy to see where your squirrels are improving. Pox is certainly a crappy deal for the squirrels.

Ontario Rehabber

03-28-2009, 12:59 PM

Jackie in Tampa

03-28-2009, 01:23 PM

Hi,

I'm new to the squirrel board, and have just read through this thread because we unfortunately also have squirrel pox up here. You people are amazing with your commitment in helping these precious little ones. It is such a disgusting heartbreaking disease.

I wish you all the very best of luck and pray that these little ones overcome the disease. I wish we knew more about it. It sounds like some of the meds you are using are giving good results. We have not yet tried this approach up here, so am very interested in the results.

My heart breaks and goes out to you. Keep up the fantastic work.
Unfortunately...from what I have learned in the past year...the reds succumb to the disease with higher numbers than the greys!
I am almost to the point of REALLY NOT wanting to move them if possible...but will if a decision is made to do so. I think that is why Sharon hasn't trapped Patches, I just don't want to stress in his condition. However if we see him going down fast...I am all aout trying a last ditch effoert, full speed ahead!
You got that right Mads, a crappy deal....
:Welcome oh and welcome OR!

Jackie in Tampa

03-29-2009, 04:54 AM

http://s604.photobucket.com/albums/tt128/steveg1107/
Here is the latest video of Patches...other than his back leg, he is looking good! Great job with him Sharon and family!:bowdown
We are trying to keep Patches stress levels down and hence, not trapping! Keep this wonderful family friend in your prayers, he is trying so hard to win! Hang in there little one, eat all your goodies.
At least we are able to keep him comfortable with meds...he's no dummy!:D Love you Patches!

Pointy Tale

03-29-2009, 07:44 AM

Oh my dear Lord, this poor sweet baby...this is a terrible illness. I'm so happy you love Patches, I understand. I pray for his recovery, he looks so very sweet and gentle. Thank you for helping this one.

4skwerlz

03-29-2009, 08:29 AM

Oh that was hard to watch....
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

atlantasquirrelgirl

03-29-2009, 08:54 AM

Praying he gets better soon. What a terrible disease.

Jackie in Tampa

03-29-2009, 09:01 AM

Oh that was hard to watch....
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
Actually...it made me happy! I know it is sad, but the alternative is worse! He is home and gets med relief...and right now, I think that's the best we can ask for!:grouphug
Thankfully we have warm weather and that helps alot!
Stay Safe Patches!:Love_Icon

wheezer

03-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Yes there were mixed feelings about the video. What a terrible disease pox is:( But so good to see him acting like a squirrel and still in his home:tilt
The good thing is it IS curable, Bless you all for giving him a good chance:bowdown

squirrelcharmer

03-29-2009, 09:26 PM

At this time , there is no cure for this terrible virus. We can only try to treat infections on lesions with antibiotics, and some pain relief medicine, they have to right this virus, hopefully they can, but I was told most of the pox virus affect young squirrels under the age of 1, and 50% die from this virus, the others are strong enough to fight it. I had a rehabber here on the island tell me this. I have learned thru the board that there are stages of this virus as well. Everyone on the board has been so helpful with information and tips, they are a great bunch of people. Have not seen any other squirrels in my yard with pox, except Patches, I have already lost 5 with the virus, and one is still in Loopy's wonderful hands fighting to stay alive and return home. We miss our little Chip, and we will never forget our Rocky, even though he could not get over this terrible virus. Sharon

Loopy Squirrel

03-29-2009, 09:42 PM

Well, speaking of Chip, guess who is developing an attitude? He is now growling at me and yes, I am very happy about that. He still has a few lesions that are taking longer to heal up, but he looks better. He is eating pretty much all that is offered, but he especially loves his avocado. I am really hoping to get him back home very soon.

4skwerlz

03-29-2009, 09:49 PM

I'm so happy to hear Chip is doing better.:thumbsup

How is his weight and overall condition?

Loopy Squirrel

03-30-2009, 05:05 PM

He has lost some weight so I'd like to get him a little fatter. His lesions are still bad in certain places so he is currently back on the antibiotics for a little. They were oozing still, but not as many as before. He is eating well and I was thinking of moving him outside for short periods during the day. I think he'd like that. It might de-stress him a little. I just have to find a way of keeping the wilds off the cage. If I keep the yard feeders full they probably won't even come up on the deck. I am just happy that he is surviving this long. That is such a good sign.

rippie-n-lilgirlsmom

03-30-2009, 05:17 PM

We'll take any improvement, bless his heart he's really trying. :thankyou for your hard work.:thumbsup

Nancy in New York

03-30-2009, 05:38 PM

Awe, you are amazing Loopy. I'm thrilled that you got a little break and had a nice Sunday meeting everyone at Jackie's gathering... Looks like you had a great time, the weather looks good too. Well, I'm in NY so almost anything would look better than this...Nice job honey...you are doing wonderful. Do you need anything at all?????

Ontario Rehabber

03-30-2009, 06:31 PM

This looks like fabulous progress. Both Chip and Patches seem to be doing much better. It's a long haul but if they are responding it is fantastic news. They were in such bad shape to start with, if they can get this far it is fantastic! Good for all of you! Maybe this disease can actually be beaten - wouldn't that be wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!! :wott :thumbsup :bowdown

Jackie in Tampa

03-31-2009, 07:53 AM

http://s604.photobucket.com/albums/tt128/steveg1107/?action=view&current=MVI_2537.flv

Sharon sends this for us to watch!
Patches is doing well!
I know it is hard to watch, but again a squirrel has decided to be a sq....He is making the best of his lesions and boo boos and seems like he is holding his own. Sqs are incredible at adapting, Thanks Sharon for keeping him safe!:thumbsup
It is amazing that he can hop on one back leg, and commute so well.
I was thinking ...if all his lesions are on his left side...hmmmm, would we assume that he slept on his right and skeeters got his left????If it were fleas wouldn't he have them [lesions] all over? One side exposed...seems to indicates mosquitos again....I think!
EMPTY THOSE CONTAINERS OF STANDING WATER SQ LOVERS! thank you!

Additional meds are on their way Sharon! Plenty!
I have no idea what happened to last shipment, :hissyfit ...the post office has no way to track! If meds leaked she was not sure what would happen...eek!
So I taped the bottles well and packaged better!:thumbsup You should have no later than wednesday!:osnap grrr!
It will be ok if he misses a dose or so...but I know that the pain meds must make him feel better and hate him not having them! Sorry little Patches:grouphug
Thanks Sharon for the video...sending prayers to Patches!
Thanks Loopy for Chipster update!:bowdown and keeping him happy!
Love you boys!:Love_Icon :Love_Icon Get better!

Mookie's Mom

03-31-2009, 08:23 AM

Oh, poor little guy! At least he is getting the best of care. Thanks for all that you do!:thumbsup

squirrelcharmer

04-01-2009, 11:48 PM

I have added more videos to the photobucket of Patches, he is coming along pretty good.

Jackie in Tampa

04-02-2009, 08:52 AM

Patches has his fresh meds and Sharon will send another video soon!
Good Luck Patches and Thank you Sharon! :thumbsup

FallensMommie

04-02-2009, 09:41 AM

Oh wow...that was hard to watch. My heart just aches for these poor fuzz butts. :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

04-04-2009, 09:34 PM

http://s604.photobucket.com/albums/tt128/steveg1107/?action=view&current=April4.flv&evt=user_media_share
Patches is looking better:grouphug
Keep him in your prayers.

atlantasquirrelgirl

04-04-2009, 11:14 PM

Hopefully, Patches will still come down and eat Sharon's "special" food rather than filling up on buds from the tree.

squirrelcharmer

04-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Yesterday Patches was up in the trees alot, I did manage to get some of his special food with meds into him, finally! I had to sit it up in a tree limb, and when he came down he would have to pass it, so he smelled it, and came right down. Ate both pieces. I was really happy. I think he has moved nests, I saw him in one closer to our house yesterday during the day resting, have not seen him go to his other one at night. I didn't realize they share nests or change them. My trees are getting more green and full of leaves, makes it harder to spot him up in the trees, but I always seem to find him. He is healing up, I am still worried about the back leg he doesn't use, but I am sure it is from the lesions on it and under him. Also some of the spots near his right eye worries me. I really hope he gets over this soon. It is heart breaking to see them like that. Patches is moving around alot faster and I am happy about that. Still waiting for my little Chip to get better and come home. Does anyone know how he is doing? Last I heard, Loopy said he was doing good, but still had some lesions that needed to heal. I have posted videos of Patches on photobucket for people to enjoy. Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

04-05-2009, 03:03 PM

Hello Sharon...he looks great, love the good news!
A guess, ... they sometimes move nests due to bugs....weather changes, better location due to seasonal growth, other sqs, predator changes, alot of reasons...
I think it's because 'closer to care and groceries!" :thumbsup
I always said if I hung a nestbox on my backdoor, they would fight for it!:D
Talked to different people that have shingles, they think he holds his leg up so it doesn't rub...it is painful! I would love to see the leg coming down.
How are the open lesions looking? Are they starting to shrink in size? Have most of the scabs fallen off? How's his breathing?
Sending good vibes and prayer :grouphug
Thanks Sharon and family!:bowdown
:wave123 I'm going to watch the new vids.

squirrelcharmer

04-05-2009, 09:16 PM

I just uploaded new video of Patches. His legs still look very sore. I noticed another squirrel tonight with a small pox on side of face and a lesion on his chest. I will keep my eye on him and start him on meds if need be. I was hoping Patches was the last one with them. Sharon

Anne

04-06-2009, 08:04 AM

These little babies are in my prayers constantly.:thumbsup :thumbsup

atlantasquirrelgirl

04-06-2009, 08:57 AM

I worried when you said Patches had moved nests, Sharon, because even if another squirrel doesn't move into the old nest, is likely to climb in and sniff around, possibly being exposed.

squirrelcharmer

04-06-2009, 09:40 PM

I am afraid of the same thing, are we suppose to get rid of the nest? I am new to this virus, and taking care of the squirrels. I love them so much and have learned so much from everyone on this board.If it is best to get rid of old nests, let me know. Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

04-06-2009, 10:49 PM

just my feelings..
but I had to think about that one too.
He knows where that nest is, that is a safety net in itself.
If the virus is there...it is there. Unless 24 hour disinfecting is going on and who know what...the virus is there.:shakehead
mosquitoes and fleas
maybe someone else has better point of view...
hello Sharon...hang in there Patches....and eat lots!
hated to hear about another sq with lesions...:soapbox

4skwerlz

04-07-2009, 06:11 AM

It's normal for them to change nests twice a year. I don't think removing the old nests will help. We think the virus is spread by mosquitoes, which is why the lesions are mostly found on areas where mosquitoes like to bite. Some have suggested fleas or mites as carriers but we just don't know. We also don't know whether the pox can be spread by close contact. The reason it would have to be CLOSE contact, like sharing a nest or mutual grooming, is that most viruses can't live long on a dry surface, like the dead leaves of a nest.

If the virus IS being spread through fleas, mites, or close contact, as well as mosquitoes, then I think anywhere you have a group of squirrels, it will spread no matter what you do.

Like Jackie said, the nests are a safety net, so until we learn more, removing them seems pointless. This is just my opinion.

Loopy Squirrel

04-07-2009, 08:20 AM

Jackie in Tampa

04-07-2009, 08:25 AM

It is with great sadness that I have to tell you that Chip did not survive this virus. He passed away yesterday but I was too upset to post. It was unexpected and I was truely shocked. He had been doing so well and his lesions had begun to clear. I was truely saddened by his passing. RIP sweet Chip. I will miss you!:grouphug
Loopy I am so sorry! Geez!
R.I.P. Sweet boy
I am so upset...what is it with this virus! I am sick.
I am so sorry Lynne and Sharon...and Chip:grouphug .

Mookie's Mom

04-07-2009, 08:46 AM

How sad. Thanks for all that you did.
R.I.P. Chip :grouphug

Ontario Rehabber

04-07-2009, 10:58 AM

Loopy, thank you so much for all you do for these little souls. :grouphug It is so heartbreaking to hear about little Chip. RIP Chip - run and be free without pain with all your little friends in heaven!:Love_Icon

foxsquirrels

04-07-2009, 11:15 AM

LS, I am so sorry. This is such a horrid disease. Bless you for doing all that you have. Chip was warm, clean and loved very much and I know you will miss him.

GOD BLESS YOU LITTLE CHIP
REST IN PEACE:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

04-07-2009, 12:28 PM

4skwerlz

04-07-2009, 01:54 PM

Loopy,
Thank you so much for everything you did for Chip, and Rocky. I know in my heart you prolonged their lives with meds and loving care. Otherwise they would have been victim to cats or hawks with their limited eye sight. This is a horrible virus and it hurts me everyday to observe and watch Patches, but he is still holding his own, eating and drinking, and moving around quite a bit. I will dread the day I go out and not see him. Hopefully that won't happen and he will get over this. It is going to be cool here in the keys the next few days, so I hope he stays warm, as he has lost alot of hair and is on the skinny side. Jackie suggested pecans and blueberries, he eats alot of sunflower seeds, roasted peanuts( no salt), mixed nuts , avacado, apple, grape, mango, whatever I can get into him. Any other suggestions would be great. Thank you again for everything you did and continue to do for these squirrels. Sharon

You could make a kind of squirrel granola. Use human breakfast granola as the base, add peanut butter (lots of fat and calories), molasses (calcium), wheat germ, and half of a ground-up human multivitamin pill. Make up enough for, what, about 10 squirrels??? and that should be about right. It will be gloppy and messy but the squirrels won't care.

I'm too upset, disappointed, discouraged, and MAD at this virus to say anything about poor Chip. I loved that squirrel....

Buddy'sMom

04-07-2009, 03:12 PM

Oh, no! I'm so very sorry and sad to read about Chip. RIP dear Chip. :Love_Icon

This is so disappointing since Chip seemed to be improving. We just have no idea what's going on inside their poor little bodies. I know it's been said before, but ... Chip was safe and comfy and fed and medicated and loved. Safe from predators, starvation and injury. That is the very most that can be given to them -- and it is a great gift.
:bowdown :bowdown squirrelcharmer and Loopy and both your families for looking out for him. :grouphug :grouphug

Fingers crossed and healing wishes sent for Patches --- I hope he continues his steady improvement. :grouphug :grouphug

My personal thought is not to remove any nests. They move around and use old nests all the time. Removing one or two will not solve anything -- IF that is a problem, which we are not certain of. If the virus is transmitted by contact with something that was touched by a poxy squirrel, you would have to remove all the tree branches, too. I think it is better to make sure they have easy access to shelter when and where they need it.

As to timing .... I also first thought this was an early outbreak. But last year was similar timing, so maybe not. Maybe this is when it happens in Florida. What might be a little more unnerving is I have been made aware of a case further north (sort of mid-Atlantic or Carolinas maybe :thinking but I don't recall what state this person is in), so those of you further up the coast, be aware that you might see pox, too.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Nancy in New York

04-07-2009, 04:47 PM

[I]Loopy, I am so very sorry that it is you again that has to carry this sadness. You have done so much for these babies, and I hope that you are not blaming yourself for any of this. These precious babies were just so weakened by this dreadful illness, that there is nothing that will pull them through. They didn't suffer in your care and they had food and shelter and warmth. They weren't out trying to barely survive and they were loved. Please trust that we all share your sadness, I'm sure not like what you are going through though. But it is you that I am truly feeling sorry for. You fought a great fight for these little ones and I am so very sorry for you...:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon
RIP
LITTLE CHIP

Anne

04-07-2009, 04:56 PM

Bless you, Loopy, for all you did for Chip. His passing had to be a terrible shock to you. If we could only look inside these little bodies and see what is going on.:grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon To both you and little Chip.

Loopy Squirrel

04-07-2009, 05:31 PM

island rehabber

04-07-2009, 06:20 PM

I am so sorry, Loopy.....there are no words left to say how much I hate this hideous virus.....
RIP, Chip :grouphug :sad

4skwerlz

04-07-2009, 06:23 PM

I am with you 4skwerlz, there was something special about that guy. He had the sweetest disposition that I have ever seen in a wild squirrel. He tolerated everything I did to him and barely complained. He was so big and gentle.
:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
I'm just so glad a hawk didn't get him, or he didn't end up running around blindly in circles...He deserved some care and comfort and he got it. Thank you Loopy for that.:grouphug

squirrelcharmer

04-10-2009, 12:13 PM

I am just letting everyone know Patches is still hanging in there. He is hard to find sometimes in the trees and doesn't come down that much in the morning, most of the time around noon , then again at dinner. He has his own little spot where he eats, doesn't really come over to the other dish where the others eat anymore. He is still not using his back left leg, and the whole left side of him is bare, within 2 or 3 days he has lost all the hair on that side, his right side looks good, around one of his eyes is still looking bad. I keep feeding him the meds and all the foods and vitamins recommended by everyone, I am just scared this virus is going to take him soon, keep praying for him, as I am not giving up on him. Thanks, Sharon I will try to get some pics today, but he is very shy and scared away by anyone or anything, even me at times.

Ontario Rehabber

04-10-2009, 06:05 PM

Prayers and, good karma and anything that helps are being sent to both you and little Patches. :Love_Icon Let's hope that his immune system can fight this disgusting disease. Come on Patches, we're pulling for you.

4skwerlz

04-10-2009, 06:15 PM

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug
Praying hard for little Patches.

Loopy Squirrel

04-10-2009, 06:43 PM

I one thing I have learned through all this is that the least amount of stress they suffer and a good diet is extremely important. They need the nutrition more than anything. It seems that this virus really uses up everything that they have. I am glad he is still with you though and making an attempt to eat. This is always a good sign. Sending prayers for the little guy.

Buddy'sMom

04-10-2009, 07:04 PM

So glad Patches is still improving and eating and moving around well. Also good that he is shy and skittish -- very squirrely. :) I know he is still in everyone's thoughts and prayers and we appreciate your updates. Providing food and water and meds has made it much easier for him to heal and rest.

Don't worry too much about the loss of fur. That usually happens around a sore or abcess or injury. It will grow back, except where there might be some scarring.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

04-13-2009, 08:51 PM

Hi everyone,
Just wanted to post some new pictures of Patches from today. He is moving around alot more and getting very fast, he is even starting to use his back leg a little. He is looking at the trees and acts like he wants to jump from limb to limb, like his buddies, but he is still a bit scared. He has been getting his morning and evening doses of meds, he seems a bit happier and looks forward to his avacadoes and pecans. I will be there everyday for him , as long as he needs me to help him fight this virus. I really feel he is making a good recovery, slow, but good. Thanks to everyone that has helped me along the way and all your prayers. Sharon

4skwerlz

04-13-2009, 08:55 PM

Thanks for the update, Sharon. It hurts my heart to see poor Patches, but your loving care is surely making a difference. :thumbsup Praying hard that he can beat this thing.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

04-13-2009, 08:56 PM

Does anyone know if I should start giving my other squirrel Spot ( who has pox starting n him) the batriyal medicine? I have just been giving it to Patches,along with metcam. Wasn't sure about this new squirrel with some spots on the face,head and a lesion on the chest.Sharon

squirrelcharmer

04-13-2009, 09:00 PM

Leigh,
Thanks for the kind words. Don't know if you ever saw Patches videos that were downloaded on photobucket? Looking at them and looking at today's pics he looks so much better. Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

04-13-2009, 09:05 PM

Hello Sharon and Patches:wave123
Glad to hear Patches is showing signs of improvement, \it look like his lesions are healing! Although he looks horrible, I think he IS making progress!:bowdown :bowdown Yippie, I am so happy to see these latest pics!:Love_Icon
I say go for it with Spot! It will make him comfortable...yippee! Thank you Sharon!:D

squirrelcharmer

04-13-2009, 09:12 PM

Hey everyone, this is Steve. I have put a link below to a shared file online. This is an excel file that I made up. It is a pictorial history of Patches. If you go to this site and download the file, you can see the progression of his disease. I would be interested what people thought about his progress. On the excel page you can choose different zoom levels on the top to help you see it better - 100%, 50%, etc. Please let us know what you think.
http://cid-e29a030d4f63cb8a.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public

4skwerlz

04-13-2009, 09:14 PM

Leigh,
Thanks for the kind words. Don't know if you ever saw Patches videos that were downloaded on photobucket? Looking at them and looking at today's pics he looks so much better. Sharon

I couldn't watch....sorry. My only comfort is knowing you are there to care for these guys. And I believe they know it too.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

FWIW, I agree with Jackie about Spot.

Jackie in Tampa

04-14-2009, 11:27 AM

:thumbsup Thanks for the update...and the email!
I will be praying for these yard buddies.
I was NOT able to open the video, I have to download something or another:dono , I will have to wait for someone with a younger brilliant mind to help me...ouch.. technology isn't my niche:tilt .
Happy to see Spot isn't as sick as Patches, maybe all the extra support you are providing is helping....:alright.gif
Let me know what you need and how we can help!
Thank you Gardner Family:bowdown
:grouphug Hugs and kisses to family and fuzzies!

Ontario Rehabber

04-14-2009, 11:33 AM

So thrilled to see Patches doing so much better:flash3 What a little sweetheart she is. It's great news she is starting to use her leg a bit again. Hoping she will soon be able to jump from branch to branch like all the other little ones. Thank you so much for helping these precious babies.

I took a look at your progression pics and she is definitely much improved, many of the pox seem to be getting smaller and drying up:wahoo keep up the great work.:grouphug

Considering the progress you've seen with Patches I definitely agree you should start the meds on Spot.:thumbsup :alright.gif

Buddy'sMom

04-14-2009, 12:03 PM

AWESOME IMPROVEMENT!! :wahoo :wahoo It looks like many of the scabs have fallen off and there is pink, healing skin underneath. :alright.gif :alright.gif Also, it sounds like he is moving around so much better and that shows that he is feeling better than before :wahoo

[To view the pictures, you need to have Excel software. Fantastic job, Steve :bowdown -- it's hard to go back to prior postings and try to compare pictures for different times. :thankyou :thankyou ]

For Spot --It's a balance. Since you are the ones watching him, you are in the best position to balance giving meds or not. What you have are pain med (metacam) and Baytril (antibiotic). If he seems uncomfortable or stressed by the sores, the pain med is good to make him feel better. Less pain/stress will help his immune system. The Baytril will only help to cure a secondary bacterial infection -- which could be an infected sore or pneumonia, for example. Or maybe to prevent one from taking hold, which would be good. But I believe antibiotics also depress the immune system :thinking , so in that sense it might be somewhat counterproductive. Anybody's thoughts on that specific aspect??

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

04-14-2009, 12:14 PM

Nancy in New York

04-14-2009, 12:41 PM

Good luck with that little one. I think you are amazing...:grouphug :grouphug

Buddy'sMom

04-14-2009, 01:49 PM

BsMom...my exact email to Sharon this morning was about that...the weighing of the do's and don'ts, to treat or not to treat...however, if we treat now and see bad results we can stop...if we wait...will it be to late/or long??
Is the glass half full or half empty...I have no clue what would be best either...I did recommend to treat once a day!...I do not think Sharon has started medicating Spot yet...so if better to not...she wants/waits our advise....tinfoil
Jackie, I totally agree -- and have no idea what is "best." :dono In a wild, I think we might not notice a secondary infection until quite far along -- so maybe too late. And then we would kick ourselves for not giving it. So, maybe go ahead.

[Plus, I am thinking that there is tons of experience on TSB with Baytril -- and I don't actually recall a thread where the squirrel came down with something else next. If it depresses the immune system a lot, I imagine we would see more follow-on infections. So maybe it doesn't depress the immune system in a significant way? :thinking Thinking aloud here in the hopes of sparking someone else's thoughts :tilt ]

:grouphug :grouphug

4skwerlz

04-14-2009, 07:31 PM

Since antibiotics don't discriminate between "good" bacteria and "bad" ones, they can actually cause infections...for example, when you take a course of AB, you can get a yeast infection, or diarrhea, from the good bacteria being killed. The body's natural bacterial flora is an important part of the immune system. Of course, if you have a serious infection, it's better to deal with a minor secondary infection than to die from pneumonia or whatever.

Also, when you take antibiotics, the various bacteria in the body can become antibiotic-resistant. Some of this is not fully understood, but it is a fact that among immunocompetent people who die from infections that "shouldn't" normally have been fatal, a large proportion have had one or more courses of antibiotics in the previous few months. This is especially the case when you can't ensure regular dosage, as in a wild squirrel. Any gap in dosage can cause the resistant bacteria to multiply and take over.

We must remember that pox squirrels are already immunocompromised.

However, I wouldn't let any of this stop me from dosing a squirrel, even a wild one, with AB if there is a serious infection present. The danger of the primary infection will almost certainly be a greater risk than these other factors.

If acyclovir is available, that would be my choice, since it attacks the main problem: the pox virus.

Just my 2 cents. And I'm sure our folks with medical expertise can give you a lot more info.

squirrelcharmer

04-14-2009, 07:51 PM

4skwerlz

04-14-2009, 09:34 PM

Ok everyone, I sent Jackie some pictures of Spot. He is getting bad with the pox. I was told it was ok to start him on meds, but just read what Leigh posted. I don't have the acyclovir medicine for the virus, just baytril and metcam. If anyone has that and wants to send me some then I will give it to Spot. Someone needs to let me know if Patches should have that viral med. as well. Where would I get this medication? Someone please let me know, you all have had more experience with this than me, I will give whatever is necessary to get them well, just tell me which ones and how much and I will do it. Thanks again, Sharon:

What I posted was in no way meant to discourage you from dosing Spot with AB. You should follow the advice of experts (Buddy's Mom, Loopy, etc.) I was just responding (or trying to) to Buddy's Mom concerns about possible issues with giving AB. BM and I had discussed this same issue over the weekend; it's all theoretical at this point. When you have a very sick squirrel and no one is sure how to treat, you try everything.

Jackie in Tampa

04-14-2009, 09:46 PM

4skwerlz

04-14-2009, 09:56 PM

Thinking of comfort...if sq gets pox and does not make it...we need not worry about resistance...I find that the smell of these sqs will make you know that baytril is better than not.
Metacam for the obvious reasons.
Just my guess.
I have had two sqs on these two meds for many months without any adverse side effects visible, then or now.
Knowing they are immune deficient, Shaklee Nutriferon or something similar in drinking water, but still think AB is needed.
They are sick.

Sharon, you follow Jackie/BM's/Loopy's/Rehabber's advice. As I said below, I was not advocating not treating (not that my opinion even matters; I'm NOT a rehabber, but I used to be a science writer on the subject of AB resistance, so I know a little about AB). I was just attempting to respond to BM's mention of possible negatives to AB treatment.

Jackie in Tampa

04-14-2009, 10:08 PM

Sharon, you follow Jackie/BM's/Loopy's/Rehabber's advice. As I said below, I was not advocating not treating (not that my opinion even matters; I'm NOT a rehabber, but I used to be a science writer on the subject of AB resistance, so I know a little about AB). I was just attempting to respond to BM's mention of possible negatives to AB treatment.
Leigh I admit I do not know anything about ABs...
but don't know what else to do for them. This stinks.
Pox keeps winning.

squirrelcharmer

04-20-2009, 02:50 PM

HI everyone,
Started Spot on the acyclovir and yesterday I only saw him once and he didn't come down to eat or drink, and today I have not seen him. Patches has been coming regularly for his feedings and meds and doing good, he is moving around alot more and jumping on small branches , even chasing off other squirrels. I really hope he makes it thru this awful virus, he is a fighter. I am worried about Spot. Don't know if the new meds upset his appetite, will have to let me know if there is anything else I can do. Thanks, Sharon

Buddy'sMom

04-20-2009, 05:37 PM

:wave123 Sharon
Glad the news is still good on Patches -- sounds like he is acting more squirrelly by the day ( in a GOOD way, of course :D ). You all have done very well with him, giving him the support and help he needed. :bowdown

I think the acyclovir got to you Friday or Sat? :dono So, if Spot didn't come yesterday (Sunday), he only would have gotten one or a couple of doses already? It seems unlikely to me that so few doses would affect his appetite, but hopefully Loopy will let us know what she thinks, based on what she has seen. Many times when a squirrel is ill, they will hunker down for a few days in their nests to recover. I think in the earlier days there were times when Patches visited a bit sporadically?? Am I remembering that right? Hopefully Spot will come back soon and then will be reminded that he gets yummy treats if he makes the trip. Treats laced with meds, but he needn't know that. It's hard to dose wilds regularly -- you just have to hope that they come, and that they get enough to be helpful.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

04-21-2009, 01:24 AM

SPot showed up last night, finally. He only took a piece of avacado with meds, left the others. What he normally does, is grabs apiece and runs all the way back to the nest. Then hopefully makes another appearance. So I have to keep his treats down only when I see him, and remove other dish with seeds and nuts. Once he is gone, I have to pick the treats up that are just for him, replace the good stuff for the others. Don't want them getting the ones with meds. Like you said ( Buddy's Mom), Spot hasn't had dosage regularly, I am trying my best. He is very fast and quick when he is here. But when I did see him last night , he was filling up on seeds, before he got his special avacado. SO guess his appetite is still ok. Thanks for the input. Will keep everyone posted. Took some pics of Patches yesterday. Will have to post some later. Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

04-21-2009, 07:00 AM

:grouphug
Hang in there boys! We love you!~
Thanks Sharon and family!:thumbsup

squirrelcharmer

04-26-2009, 08:11 PM

Just a quick note to let everyone know how Patches is doing. He is getting so much better. He play chase around the woods with all the other squirrels, eats with them and drinks with them, and isn't shy about letting them know if he doesn't want company. He has graduated to jumping from small branches to other close by trees limbs, he comes down every morning around 8-9 am for his morning meds. He will let me come out and slowly set them down beside him , then when I walk away to the back porch he will grad his food and sit and eat the whole thing. I get so happy when he does this, normally Spot follows him. They are like 2 peas in a pod, if Spot isn't there , shortly after Patches eats, I can expect Spot to show up. Its as if Patches has gone to get him and let him know Mommy has his breakfast for him. I tried to get some pics of Spot. He looks better. No open lesions, all dark scabbed up lumps on him, and his eyes are good. I sure hope these two make it. I really feel Patches is getting over this. If you look at the picture I have enclosed compared to some others from before, he is getting better. He loves his almond,cashew and peanut butter. Avacadoes, pecans,apples,mango,banana,grapes, whatever he wants and wil eat, he gets. When I go looking for him in the woods, I will always call out his name, normally when I see him , he is looking right at me. Its like he knows my voice. It is such a great feeling to have knowing you can help some little creature God gave us. Thanks Jackie for all you have done, and everyone else. Sharon

4skwerlz

04-26-2009, 08:20 PM

This is such wonderful news.:thumbsup Patches looks soooo much better. I'm happy Spot is doing better too. You're doing a great job, "mommy." Bless your heart.:grouphug

Mookie's Mom

04-26-2009, 08:24 PM

Wow! what a great job you have done :bowdown Patches looks much better!!

island rehabber

04-26-2009, 09:29 PM

squirrelcharmer, this is wonderful news! :bowdown:thumbsup

atlantasquirrelgirl

04-26-2009, 09:49 PM

I resized the picture, and Patches looks great, and he looks like he feels much better. So glad to see him pulling through this terrible disease.

MsOakley

04-27-2009, 12:36 AM

AMAZING improvement!!!!! Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!!!

Ontario Rehabber

04-27-2009, 10:16 AM

This is terrific. :thumbsup Such a diifficult disease to deal with. You're doing great. Bless you for looking after the little ones.:Love_Icon

Anne

04-27-2009, 12:13 PM

Great news about Patches:thumbsup :thumbsup Hope he and Spot continue to improve, you're doing a wonderful job:crazy :crazy

Nancy in New York

04-27-2009, 08:18 PM

OMG I didn't even realize this was the same squirrel. Nice job, absolutely fantastic.....:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

squirrelcharmer

04-27-2009, 08:54 PM

82684Patches today. He looked so happy. Sharon

island rehabber

04-27-2009, 08:56 PM

:bowdown:bowdown I am amazed.

atlantasquirrelgirl

04-27-2009, 10:07 PM

Uploading pictures for SC.

AEMJ

04-27-2009, 10:37 PM

Absolutely amazing.:thumbsup Sharon, you gave this baby it's life back. I commend you for your valiant effort. This would seem to suggest keeping the stress level down and boosting the immune system definantely helps in their ability to beat this.

Ontario Rehabber

04-27-2009, 11:27 PM

Good for you! Patches and Spot owe their little lives to your valiant efforts! I know they thank you immensely. Fantastic :wahoo

Jackie in Tampa

05-02-2009, 08:32 AM

Hello members...we need some help, I hate this virus...
I want you to meet Bucky, Sharons other friend.
Bucky also has pox, but the other issues are just as serious. He has a mouthful of twisted teeth.
I know that most/some will recommend euthanasia, but we ain't going there., I HOPE.
With that said, is anyone willing to help Sharon save this boy/girl from a sure death? She needs ideas and volunteers. I am sick over this...
HELP PLEASE!
Sharon, I can and will do all that is possible.
TSBers, what are your thoughts?
I think this needs to be handled asap.
HELP PLEASE!

Jackie in Tampa

05-02-2009, 08:47 AM

Bucky!:grouphug

SavingGrayce

05-02-2009, 08:53 AM

I just want to say I am new to this Forum but your story is amazing brought tears to my eyes. Its so nice to see people with hearts. To so many these wonderful little creatures are just tree rats but we all know they are so much more! God Bless You and your babies:) They truly do bring happiness !

Ontario Rehabber

05-02-2009, 12:35 PM

Certainly looks to me from the pics that he needs to be trapped in order to trim his teeth. I would guess he would be unreleaseable in order to have his teeth trimmed constantly. Treatment for pox can be started while caged. My thoughts for the little guy. Sorry I'm too far away to help with trapping and train.

Nancy in New York

05-02-2009, 02:06 PM

OMG, I just got in a little one that had the problem with the lower teeth, they were so long that they punctured the roof of his mouth, the rehabber I got him from said that he wasn't eating and was getting lethargic...When I took one look at him, he was so pathetic. Long story short, brought him to my friend who does teeth trimming, but about 4 hours later he died. He just hadn't been eating and was so malnourished, he was such a pathetic sight. Not too sure other than trapping and keeping him to see how the teeth will develope, I don't think that one cutting of the teeth will do, they will grow back. However, some of the rehabbers have noticed that with a few trimmings, they eventually stay the length that they should be while others keep needing the trimming. It sounds like a roll of the dice.
Remember foxsquirrels little Angel? She is still concerned about his teeth and occassionally still trims, not quite sure why....I wonder if they just keep growing.:dono :dono
Please keep posting so that we know the outcome. I will try to get more info up here of people who are familiar with this problem...

Jackie in Tampa

05-02-2009, 02:25 PM

:wave123 Hello Nancy...
I do trim teeth also, hate it ...but do it. Ouch!
...so I am thinking the same as you! He must be trapped.
I am sad your little one was too far gone.:grouphug RIP little one.Thank you for being there for him.

Yes, a forever home would be needed and he is a wild sq...I hope that if we can trap, trim and treat pox...thaaaat he survives all of the above. Then we can try to think further. I just couldn't sleep the last nights not knowing his prognosis. He is sick and soon won;t be able to eat the food that will deliver the meds that will save his life in the house that Jack built, if we don't trim those toofies.
Hang in there Bucky!:grouphug Help is coming one way or another!

Buddy'sMom

05-02-2009, 06:17 PM

Poor Bucky. :Love_Icon Yes, his teeth do need to be trimmed. And likely will need repeat trimmings. But as for a Forever Home, that is more of a dilemma.

:thinking What is the state of his pox? Early or getting better? A few pox or lots? Is he very sick, or not? This might impact what decisions get made about his teeth. If he appears able to recover from the pox if treated in place, we have to consider that caging him because of his teeth might cause a counterproductive amount of stress.

Is Bucky a squirrel that is a routine visitor to the yard? I am thinking of Beene's little Schnuffel (http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5412 and http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5454). Schnuffel was a wild squirrel who developed a tooth problem. Beene and her now-husband caught Schnuff in their kitchen, trimmed her teeth and let her go. This was done quite a few times. She maintained her wild life, and would tend to show up when her teeth were getting her down and she was tired and hungry. (Eventually, though, sadly, she didn't show up ....)

The reason I mention this is that not all wild adult squirrels do well in captivity. He might. He might not.

Sharon, the rehabber that wouldn't help with pox -- is it possible she would either help with teeth or works with a local vet that might? If there is someone local who could trim Bucky's teeth, that would open up some options for allowing him to stay in his own home. If he could be trapped and trimmed from time to time. Especially for this first time, if he's got a mild case of pox.

I'm not sure if this helps, or just raises more questions. :dono He can't go on with his teeth the way they are, though.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

05-02-2009, 06:32 PM

BsMOm you know how I feel about the stress factor in poxy sqs...I think they are TOO stressed already and I hate trapping anymore pox sqs. I agree if Sharons local rehabber can help....be an ideal situation!:thumbsup
However...teeth grow fast...and if he cannot eat..not good.
I did not sleep well...last and first vision before and after sleep was poor Buckys sweet face.
It doesn't seem as though he has pox real bad, but that too is a rapid disease.
Sharon will send new pics tonight or tomorrow!
:grouphug

Pointy Tale

05-02-2009, 06:36 PM

Jackie in Tampa�I am not in FL, I just read part of this thread. Is there anything I can do? In the meantime, I will pray that you, the TSB experts will know what to do. He so precious and I can�t image the possibilities, he has just a sweet face.

Nancy in New York

05-02-2009, 09:00 PM

This is a real dilemma thinking about the stress with him having pox and the teeth. I wonder if we think real hard, if we could come up with the "right" answer. If I'm not mistaken, don't some teeth need to be trimmed every couple of weeks? The one thing that you know is he needs to be trapped. Could something be given to him immediately after being trapped to lessen his anxiety, do the teeth, and then release? I also will try to think of something tonight...I didn't get a chance to ask anyone up here, we got unexpected company. This is a catch 22 isn't it???:dono :dono :dono
At least he has the best people on his case...:thumbsup

Ontario Rehabber

05-02-2009, 09:05 PM

We know that stress in poxy squirrels does seem to add to the disease. If this was the only issue I would definitely treat in the wild without caging.
But, unfortunately this little one has two issues, pox and malocclusion. Even if the pox is treated without caging and there is a good outcome he will not survive without the teeth trimming. First step in my opinion is he has to be caged in order for his teeth to be trimmed, if not he will die from starvation and/or teeth growing into his palate. Unfortunately in his state I don't think there is a choice, if nothing is done about his teeth he can't survive, pox or not. Does it not make sense to trap, have teeth looked after, assess the pox, start pox treatments and decide whether he is at all releaseable.

How stressed is he caged, was he easy to trap, is he around all the time, is it better to retrap constantly for teeth trimming or trap the once and keep him caged.

These are just my thoughts on this unfortunate little guy.

Nancy in New York

05-02-2009, 09:09 PM

Definitely good questions...I think you make a good point, perhaps nothing can be etched in stone pertaining to the course of action, until you see how he is once trapped and then caged. If he appears too stressed, would it be better to try to retrap again after the teeth are done once? So much to consider when you try to do the best thing for the squirrel...

4skwerlz

05-02-2009, 09:14 PM

Just to let you guys know.....this maloc squirrel is the last straw for me! I talked to Jackie today and she's going to call all the great squirrel vets she knows, and we're going to find one willing to try a little bit of "squirrel orthodontia." It works for people, and squirrel-teeth are looser in the jaw than human teeth. We're thinking a trim, and then maybe some tiny screws and/or wires to force the teeth into proper alignment, then a few weeks in captivity to see how they grow out.... The idea is, if we can get the teeth realigned, maybe they'll stay realigned. Seems like it's worth a try anyhow, since this squirrel is facing a LIFETIME in captivity, or euthanasia, otherwise. But if it works, it could mean a whole new life for maloc squirrels who are otherwise healthy. Jackie will keep us informed of what the vets say....

Fingers crossed!

Nancy in New York

05-02-2009, 09:18 PM

Absolutely amazing, that's our Jackie...:wave123 :wave123 :wave123

Pointy Tale

05-02-2009, 09:20 PM

OMG, 4skwerlz & Jackie, you are a geniuses! My fingers are crossed and I am praying that this will work. Thank you for the update!

Nancy in New York

05-02-2009, 09:24 PM

Where is my head:dono :dono :dono 4skwerlz, you are also an amazing person to be thinking in these terms...how could I have not acknowledged you too:dono :dono :dono ...please forgive me.:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

4skwerlz

05-02-2009, 09:33 PM

Hardly genius.... Jackie said that I always think outside the box. I told her I lost the box so long ago I can't even find it anymore.:D

Anyhow, it prolly won't even work. But we can try, right?

Pointy Tale

05-02-2009, 09:44 PM

4skwerlz�you are too modest. Please keep thinking outside the box, it�s great! Yes, it will work�it�s too good not to work. I will pray for it to work.

Jackie in Tampa

05-03-2009, 12:18 AM

I am tired..but just read these newer posts...we are sq crazy. I am pretty sure of it.
G'nite.
Prayers needed for these guys.

Anne

05-03-2009, 08:55 AM

Hey guys, if we weren't all crazy we would have gone insane years ago tinfoil .
Let me know if you need any help that I can render :crazy

Twistedsiren

05-03-2009, 09:20 AM

Always stay optimistic!! Sending my prayers for your little buddy!!
:grouphug

Ontario Rehabber

05-03-2009, 03:45 PM

Praying you can find a vet to do this procedure on Bucky. That would be fantastic. I wouldn't even have thought of it, the vets here wouldn't even come close to that. Best of luck to all involved.

Jackie in Tampa

05-04-2009, 07:33 AM

:multi :multi :multi :multi :multi :multi :multi
Lot's of good news here in Florida!
:multi Patches is recovering and will be weaned from meds this week!:multi

:flash3 Spot is improving. He is moving around well and he has not had any new lesions, his current lesions are drying up. He has a tad bit of drainage in one eye, but not alarming. The really great news is that he still has an appetite!:flash3 He has been on his meds for approx two weeks and Sharon is monitoring him round the clock!:flash3

:thinking Bucky...hmmm, I am not convinced he has pox yet, however.......
he has a temporary fix, he/she broke his teeth off over the weekend and was seen eating saturday evening! unfortunately he was elusive on Sunday! He has two dark spots that may or may not be pox!:dono so will try some pain aide for comfort. Sharon will monitor him.We do not know Buckys history so we do not know if boo boo on face is from tusk syndrome pereviously? or from original injury?, newer injury?,:dono we just don't know! Hoping to have more news on him this morning! but the squambulance is ready if needed! we know that it only a matter of three weeks max til those fangs come back, we're watching and praying.

:thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou
thanks for All the great support, you are all so wonderful!:thankyou
I know I have needed it and I am sure Loopy feels that way too!

:bowdown Sharon and her family have been so compassionate helping her yard buddies, she is so committed and 'on task', never giving up! :bowdown As a school teacher in a small community, she has shared her knowledge with the locals and is teaching young students about wildlife and it's importance! She may even have captured the heart of the local rehabber!, who at first preached the UGLY words that most professionals do! LET MOTHER NATURE RUN HER COURSE!....but has since had an article put in the local paper for awareness! Thanks KD!:bowdown She is also communicating with ???/some researchers in France..giving them the details from her observations! Although she is not participating, I'll bet we have her attention NOW!:bowdown I am so smiling this morning..... and I have cried a thousand tears and argued til I was blue in the face concerning pox...yippee! :bowdown thanks Sharon for being our/their eyes! You are the Best!

I have alot of great photos to post, and will try to get them on today...after Anne, Ontario Rehabber and I get the Canada pox meds together! Geez!:soapbox However the news is good and I am excited at the turn in the Keys POX boys!:wahoo :wahoo
:wave123 Thanks Guys, REALLY...love you TSB!

Nancy in New York

05-04-2009, 07:39 AM

I am too excited with this news not to post really quickly (since I'm at Work)

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING...YOU CERTAINLY MADE MY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

:wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo

Jackie in Tampa

05-04-2009, 07:42 AM

Squirrel pox spreads to the Florida Keys, further spread is feared
By KEVIN WADLOW

Squirrels on Key Largo have been stricken by a virulent disease that causes grotesque tumors and often blindness. The disease -- squirrel pox -- occurs nationwide in squirrel populations but has never been reported previously in the Florida Keys, say local wildlife experts.
"We started getting a lot of calls in late January, mostly from the area between [mile markers] 101 and 103," said Marsha Garrettson, manager of the Key Largo Animal Shelter run by the Humane Animal Care Coalition. "It's really sad to see these guys," she said. "They've got these nasty tumors. Sometimes they're blind because the tumors have matted their eyes closed."

Read More... (http://www.keysnet.com/212/story/93826.html)

Jackie in Tampa

05-04-2009, 07:42 AM

:D
I am too excited with this news not to post really quickly (since I'm at Work)

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING...YOU CERTAINLY MADE MY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

:wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo :wahoo

Anne

05-04-2009, 08:42 AM

I love hearing good news in the morning!:multi :jump :jump :multi :multi

Jackie in Tampa

05-04-2009, 09:13 AM

Thanks Anne and Nancy! hey are you two the Wilson { Heart } sisters????:D

Here are some recent pics of the boys!
Patches first and then Spot.....:thumbsup

Pointy Tale

05-04-2009, 09:50 AM

Jackie in Tampa

05-04-2009, 10:08 AM

You are all so wonderful for helping them. Words do not express how great you all are. These little ones are so beautiful. Is it true that this pox is spread by Mosquitos? If it's a possibility it's true, can't we do something to spray or is that worse? And what should people do about the rain barrels that are so popularly sold? Do not answer if you're busy...you have more important this to deal with...they were just questions on my mind.
I think skeeters and FLEAS..
Tomo had recommended some months ago...trying to find a solution involving the flora and drey situation....something to rid the bugs from the areas where the wilds live...but so far- nothing has been figured out.
Originally thoughts were mosquuito...but I had TinyMite in January and there were no skeeters then...also Loopys kids all started in Feb from St.Pete and the keys...has to be something other than the flying piranhas with a drill!:dono
I have seen sqs with POX all on one side...so we thoufght that was a skeeter in the nest while sleeping,...biting exposed areas. But most sqs have common denominater of groin, eyes, ears and armpits! No telling...maybe Loopy can give us her thoughts !:dono
I was thinking of putting a few drops of ivermectin in the nestboxes after clean out sometime this spring...but have not had opportunity to raise this on the board...will want others input first..I am a chicken when it comes to ivermectin...dangerous stuff! bok bok!
Good point Pointy Tail!:thumbsup
we also think that 'sleeping close quarters to one another' is also spreading the pox between sqs.

Buddy'sMom

05-04-2009, 09:23 PM

Great news about The Boys in the Keys! :multi :multi I'm delighted that Pathes and Spot continue to look good and stay active! :wahoo :wahoo

And it sounds like Bucky has a temporary reprieve from his dentist's visit. :tilt Broken teeth --- not exactly the recommended approach, but it does buy time for figuring out a plan to help him.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

squirrelcharmer

05-05-2009, 09:17 AM

I am so happy to see my 2 boys , Patches and Spot, doing better. Patches will soon be over the hump, now that he is being weaned off meds. Spot however is still on his meds, but still very active and eating well. I couldn't have done this with out everyone's help on the board, especially Jackie. As for Bucky, I did not see him yesterday. He is new to my yard, and the first time I saw him was with a mouthful of bad , disfugured teeth. Over the weekend I saw him and it seems somehow the teeth have been broke off, not as bad. But I have learned they grow back quickly. I am watching for him everyday. and will monitor this situation, as well as if he has a pox lesion on his face. Otherwise all my other ones are fine. Keeping my fingers crossed, as the mosquitoes have been picking up down here. Will try to get new pics for the board soon. Thanks everyone, Sharon

Jackie in Tampa

05-05-2009, 09:44 AM

I loved reading this newest post Sharon!:D great news!

4skwerlz

05-05-2009, 10:20 AM

Don't be surprised if you see more sick sweeties showing up in your yard. I swear it seems like word gets around that there's a nice lady who likes squirrels and puts out lots of food. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Jackie is checking around today to find a vet willing to try to fix Bucky's teeth.

You might want to put your trap out, set up as a feeder, so that Bucky can get used to it. That way, once we have vet help lined up, you can trap him quickly.
:grouphug :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

05-05-2009, 10:53 AM

Jackie in Tampa

05-05-2009, 11:01 AM

fvs, says to call human orthodontist. they do not have the equipment.
waiting for my liberal young doc to call back....oh my!

Ontario Rehabber

05-05-2009, 01:32 PM

Patches and Bucky are looking fantastic :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup Super work to all involved. Good luck on the dentist Jackie.

squirrelcharmer

05-07-2009, 05:44 AM

HI everyone,
Sent Jackie and email with new pics of Patches,SPot and Bucky, I saw Bucky yesterday chewing and gnawing on an old dog bone. Also observed him grinding his teeth along tree branches, Looks like the teeth are growing back. I also noticed 2 dark black spots on back of neck and his back, think they are poxs, as he has one spot on his face. Spot is covered with black scabs everywhere, but doing good. One pox is close to the left eye and I am praying it doesn't go into the eye. Patches is still doing good, has some new redness and sores on back leg and favors it somewhat. His back legs are still thin, I am trying to fatten him up, but he is hanging in there and doing great. Maybe Jackie will get pics on the board, or I will try to get my husband to size them and post them. Thanks for all the help. Sharon

Nancy in New York

05-07-2009, 07:09 AM

Thanks for the update on your poor babies. Always in my prayers...:grouphug

Ontario Rehabber

05-07-2009, 08:05 AM

Prayers always for these little ones. May they get better soon. :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

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Legomom

05-07-2009, 10:39 AM

Pics didn't show up, Jackie. :dono

So glad that everyone seems to be heading in the right direction. You're doing an awesome job, Sharon! :thumbsup

Legomom

05-08-2009, 05:56 PM

Posting pics & note for Jackie. :)

Was able to get 2 doses of meds to Spot today, he is still covered in black scabs, but moving around well and eating and drinking good.

Saw Patches today. He is still thin in the back legs and favoring one of the, got some pics, not the best , but could see some new sores, he got one dose of meds today.

And Bucky showed up today. He had an old dog bone that he was nawing on with his teeth, also saw he chewing and nawing on some branches, noticed some more pox on him, a big black spot on back of head and neck, plus back of the body. His jaw looks a little better, but looks like teeth are starting to come back if he was trying to keep them trimmed himself. I got a few pics, not the best, will keep trying.

First 2 pics are Spot, 3 & 4 are Patches, 5 & 6 are Bucky. :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

05-08-2009, 07:56 PM

:thankyou Thank you Shannon. Thanks Sharon.
Patches looks thin, sending vibes for his appetite to get with the program!
:poke Eat Patches!
Spot has a sweet look in that first picture! Please get better Spot...
Bucky....sorry buddy, no braces! :osnap
Love you boys:wave123
Sharon, I hope you can trap the baby and get her to the rehabber...Thank you Karen:thumbsup
Thank you everyone and please keep the pox babies in your prayers.
:Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon

Nancy in New York

05-08-2009, 08:12 PM

Jackie, they are always in my prayers...do you need anything???????:)

Jackie in Tampa

05-08-2009, 08:20 PM

Jackie, they are always in my prayers...do you need anything???????:)
Thank you Nancy!:grouphug Lots of prayers!
I need these guys to get better...poor things have been sick awhile...
now there has been no rain and the mommas are abandoning their babies for survival...:shakehead so we must pray for rain too...
and that will increase the chances for pox epidemic also..no win situation...
But..these guys are still hanging in there! I wish I knew what they were feeling...
Thanks Nancy:wave123

Nancy in New York

05-08-2009, 09:37 PM

Jackie, I am so saddened by this. My friend up here had two pox babies last year that I actually had to watch while she went to Italy. One of them was the sweetest little girl you would ever want to meet. She really took my heart. I was so tempted to tell my friend to just leave them here even after she came back. They weren't nearly as bad as the Florida ones though...These are such sad little faces, everytime I see them it breaks my heart. Is this as painful as it looks, what kind of life are they living, what takes the pain away, are they happy to be alive... is there ever an answer. All I can do is sit in New York and comment and pray for the Florida babies. I wished that someone could just put their healing hands on their little bodies and they would be well. I'm sure that everyone involved is living all of these uncertainties every single day. Every day you look out the window and wonder, what heartbreak am I going to see today. To say that I admire the conviction and dedication that all involved wtih these babies have is such an understatement. I am in awe of each and every one of you involved and pray for you too. To have to live with this daily has to take it's toll...I can't even imagine...If there is anything I can do to help these babies or any of you, please don't hesitate to let me know.....:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

squirrelcharmer

05-09-2009, 12:23 AM

Jackie,
No luck with the baby, but not bad news. The owner of the house was outside yesterday when I went looking for him, owner said there are several squirrels that travel around his yard and his neighbors, he says he sees baby one climbing and running with others, so hopefully he is eating and drinking ok and is among siblings and family. BUt will still keep eyes out for him or any others.
The pics look great of the boys , thanks Shannon for sizing them up. Saw Spot today and was able to get both meds to him. He is lloking just a little different today, still has appetite and drinks well, but he has removed alot of his black scabs but scratching them off, there are some open red areas, but he looks good. There is a large one by his eye I was worried about, but yesterday it looked smaller.
As for my Patches, well what can I say , I really think he will never give up and has no reason to anymore. He is truly recovering, Yes he looks thin in pictures where he is standing, but he eats well, drinks, runs around, and yesterday I had to look twice to know it was him. Once he started walking and favoring the back leg some, I knew it was him walking toward me. I couldn;t believe me eyes. The red sore on his face and leg are nothing but dried up scabs, he looks really good. He is still one one dose of some metcam, but no more baytril as of today. Yippee, however I will watch and keep in touch with everyone should anything happen or a relapse, but I don't think that will happen. They are getting good nutrition and planty of water and love here, the best we can do for them. I love my little guys. Had a rehabber day she would help me down here if Bucky needs help with teeth trimming, and will take in any babies found, as she has had several calls and takes them in, she knows the situation with no water down here, but you are right, I don't want mosquitoes! I will keep sending pics. Will have to send them to shannon so she can post them, she is great with resizing them , thanks everybody, and to all us Mommies out there( whether they are babies with 2 or 4 legs) Happy Mothers Day. Sharon

4skwerlz

05-09-2009, 09:18 AM

Hi Sharon,

I'm so happy for you that your little friends are doing better. You are fighting a hard battle and I know how hard it is to watch them suffer.... But this is wonderful news about Spot and Patches.

I'm not giving up on Bucky either. Will talk to Jackie this morning, and we'll keep calling vets.

Also, Sharon, I was wondering if you could call the newspaper that printed the story about the pox squirrels and see if they would be interested in another story about the squirrels, and how you're helping them. You have plenty of great pictures. And, very important, if they could PLEASE mention how important it is for people to put out fresh water for the wildlife during this time of drought, and to change the water every day to avoid breeding mosquitos!

Anyhow, take care sweetie. You are a Squirrel Angel for sure.

Jackie in Tampa

05-09-2009, 09:50 AM

:bowdown :thumbsup

Ontario Rehabber

05-09-2009, 10:37 AM

Patches and Spot are looking so much better, this is absolutely wonderful news. So many in the shape they were in just don't make it. These little ones owe their little lives to you Sharon and Jackie. How rewarding to finally see this dreadful disease turn around. :grouphug :thumbsup

Legomom

05-15-2009, 09:40 AM

Pictures of Spot from today. :grouphug

Legomom

05-15-2009, 09:42 AM

Pictures of Patches from today. :grouphug

Pointy Tale

05-15-2009, 10:02 AM

Oh no...is Spot getting worse?

Patches really looks so much better.

Thank you everyone for helping these sweet souls.

Jackie in Tampa

05-15-2009, 10:31 AM

Sending good thoughts to all our friends in the keys!
:poke I heard Patches was seen at the local tiki hut holding something frozen and white with a straw...pina colada??? no driving Patches!:nono
Spot needs his baytril cocktail on the peanut half-shell!:thumbsup
Gotta love these guys, they have come a long way!
Everyday is ONE MORE DAY than we originally expected...I am smiling. Thank You God!
Sharon you are a trooper...another trophy for commitment!http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:OCFvfkJZktWG0M:http://www.iconarchive.com/icons/icons-land/sport/Trophy-Gold-256x256.png (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iconarchive.com/icons/icons-land/sport/Trophy-Gold-256x256.png&imgrefurl=http://www.iconarchive.com/show/sport-icons-by-icons-land/Trophy-Gold-icon.html&usg=__9OEvCBoLnk63nsDCmavXoq-jduk=&h=256&w=256&sz=44&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=OCFvfkJZktWG0M:&tbnh=111&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrophy%2Bicon%2Bimage%26hl%3Den%26rlz %3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS323%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1)

Pointy Tale

05-15-2009, 10:34 AM

Jackie, you mean Patches is having his pina colada and didn't invite us?:)
Sending good thoughts for Spot.
Yes, Jackie...everyday...is one more day...we are lucky...they are Blessed, thanks to you good people. Thank You God, Amen.

Sending good thoughts to all our friends in the keys!
:poke I heard Patches was seen at the local tiki hut holding something frozen and white with a straw...pina colada??? no driving Patches!:nono
Spot needs his baytril cocktail on the peanut half-shell!:thumbsup
Gotta love these guys, they have come a long way!
Everyday is ONE MORE DAY than we originally expected...I am smiling. Thank You God!

Jackie in Tampa

05-15-2009, 10:43 AM

Jackie, you mean Patches is having his pina colada and didn't invite us?:)
Grab you beach bag...I'll drive!:D

Buddy'sMom

05-15-2009, 10:59 AM

:thumbsup :thumbsup Patches and Spot do both look like they are beating this thing! :thumbsup :thumbsup

Spot does look "worse" in the sense that the dark scabs are pretty ugly and when they come off the skin is raw and open in places. OUCH! BUT this is a sign that the pox is going through the recovery stages. So .... it's good. Painful to watch, but good, in the long run.

I agree that continuing the Baytril while he has open raw places would be a good idea. The last thing he needs is for one of the wounds to become infected. And since it isn't possible to keep his skin cleaned and disinfected, the Baytril will help keep skin infection from starting up.

It's so wonderful to see them doing better:wott :wott
:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

05-15-2009, 11:24 AM

A banana Daquari!:banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:vUSXUBj0ui-JzM:http://www.greathouse-mountaintop.com/mtntop08h.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.greathouse-mountaintop.com/mtntop08h.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.greathouse-mountaintop.com/daiquiri.htm&usg=__076cVFgkEtI983jfq42sAhbcTnU=&h=332&w=500&sz=26&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=vUSXUBj0ui-JzM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbanana%2Bdaiquiri%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1 G1GGLQ_ENUS323%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1):banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana
Get better boys! The next round is on me!

squirrelcharmer

05-16-2009, 05:39 PM

Hello, everyone. Sharon's helper here. Here are a couple of pics of our real success story "Patches". One pic from April 1st, one from today. Thank you everyone for helping us help Patches. Steve Gardner

Pointy Tale

05-16-2009, 05:49 PM

D : Tears of joy are in my eyes. You are all miracle workers. I am so very happy for Patches. I am grateful to all of you who have helped him. I want to read this thread again, it is truly amazing. So Happy!!!:D :jump Just look at his sweet face... He Feels Happy!! I know It. Bless You Lord for saving him.

Hello, everyone. Sharon's helper here. Here are a couple of pics of our real success story "Patches". One pic from April 1st, one from today. Thank you everyone for helping us help Patches. Steve Gardner

squirrelcharmer

05-16-2009, 05:51 PM

Patches has come along way. He is weaned from all meds, except maybe every other day one tiny drop of metcam, only if I see he favoring his back leg some, other wise he eats everything with all the rest of my buddies. He does like to eat in his own area where I always feed him by himeself, guess he is spoiled, and feels special. He should though, he is a success. He comes so close to me now and doesn't shy away like before. Guess he knows I sort of helped him thru this nasty virus and decided I'm not anyone to be afraid of. It brings tears to my eyes when I see him, he is so much more healthier. I could not have done this without the help of Jackie,Loopy,Leigh and the rest of the board. I have been bringing pictures into school with me and talking to all my classes about POX. I have educated so many people about this virus and not to fear it amongst themselves and their pets. Don't call animal control anymore to put them down, give them a chance to survive on their own and makes sure they have fresh water out everyday . I will keep posting pics of Patches. Now I am working on SPot, he is another Pox squirrel I have and shared pics with you all. I am proud of his progress. He is still on meds, but very active and eating well. Thanks again, Sharon

punkin'smama

05-16-2009, 06:05 PM

This is so amazing. Bless you for all you did in making this possible. He really does look like a happy little squirrel.

Pointy Tale

05-16-2009, 06:05 PM

Squirrelcharmer�Patches is very special, and I totally agree he needs own special feeding area� I am so happy he comes close to you, he knows, and has chosen you. It brings tears to my eyes, and I�m do not even know him, but I can feel the love all the way over here. I do not know anything about this virus, other than what I have seen a little here and read very little� So this metcam, did all of this amazing work for Patches, along with his fresh water? Do you get the metcam with a prescription or just buy it at like Chris�s store or something, I have no idea, just curious. I am so glad you took care of them, I read too many people just ending innocent lives without giving a chance, I am So Happy you gave them a chance. I will pray for Spot to get better too. Did he start later or is he just sicker? Sorry for all of the questions, I was just curious.

Jackie in Tampa

05-16-2009, 06:34 PM

:thumbsup kisses to the Gardners!:wahoo
E, Metacam is his pain medicine, and yes it is prescription only.
Patches ois being weaned off his pain meds, but still taking his ABs!
His miracle DRUG was baytril! A very strong sq friendly Kick butt
anti-biotic. also prescription.

Patches is gorgeous and I love seeing this! Happy Happy!:D
He is a success story if ever, thanks for going the extra thousand miles Sharon and family, to get him back up and running...
He is the Pox Poster Child...AMEN!:grouphug
Thanks for the pics Steve...WOW! good to see the BIG disfference.
6 weeks and wallah! This is so good!:thumbsup
How's Spot doing?...
Hope you got the POX summary I forwarded...Patches Plan will be added!
I am so truly proud of your families commitment to doing treatments on location, I feel that moving them and taking them away from their "normal' was the end for them, we were guessing, but it seems this is the case. Stress and pox are connected, so adding more stress was killing them!
We are compiling data and always interested in others treatment plans.
This is beautiful...I just love it! Oh la la! :wahoo
:thankyou :D :thankyou :D :thankyou:D :thankyou :D :thankyou :D :thankyou:D

Legomom

05-16-2009, 08:16 PM

:wahoo Patches is amazing! :wahoo

Sharon & family....what can I say? :thankyou for your love & dedication to these sweet babies! You have done so much & worked so hard!
I'd say you now have a very special yard buddy for life! :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

These pics are so amazing that they need to be seen again! :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

island rehabber

05-16-2009, 08:21 PM

That is one freakin' miracle. A miracle here on earth, for us to see with our own eyes, and all thanks to these beautiful people we actually know and can call our friends. :bowdown :grouphug :bowdown

Jackie in Tampa

05-17-2009, 06:54 AM

happy goosebumps!

4skwerlz

05-17-2009, 07:39 AM

I don't know what to say....goosebumps, tears, smiles of joy. Such a sweet victory after so much trying.

Sharon, you might as well quit thanking me; YOU are the hero here. YOU GO GIRL! :bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

:wott:wott:wott

atlantasquirrelgirl

05-17-2009, 10:01 AM

You are in a very special position as a teacher, Sharon. So glad you are sharing this information with your class, and they will seek you out when they see infected squirrels. Saving others is the legacy of those that didn't win the battle.

Nancy in New York

05-17-2009, 10:18 AM

Legomom

05-21-2009, 10:16 AM

That is one freakin' miracle. A miracle here on earth, for us to see with our own eyes, and all thanks to these beautiful people we actually know and can call our friends. :bowdown :grouphug :bowdown

I'd say this one definitely qualifies for the "TSB Successes" forum. :bowdown

Some more pics from Sharon & family......here's Patches & a note from Sharon!

These are not the best pics, but Patches was having fun getting his peanuts and then hiding them, he is so cute.

Legomom

05-21-2009, 10:20 AM

....and, some of Spot. :Love_Icon

Though he may look bad, alot of the black scabs are coming off his stomach, he is still eating and getting around good. Even in one picture he looks like he is smiling.

squirrelcharmer

06-04-2009, 06:41 AM

Just an update on the pox in the Keys!
My Patches is still doing wonderful, full recovery.
however I have since found that Spot is Patches mate, and she is pregnant. Yes, Spot still has pox bad, but doing well and healing. She come to eat and drink everyday and get her meds.
Bucky shows up occassionally, he has the maloculsion.
Little Dumbo has pox on left eye and ear really bad.
Peanut has recovered from his pox.
Pebbles has recovered from her pox.
Shadow still has a little drainage in her left eye, but no other signs of any bumps on him.
And a new one showed up in my yard yesterday, Pumpkin, think he is a male,but has pox around both eyes pretty bad, so I am having to medicate several with different things and doses, but they are eating healthy and drinking plenty, guess the sick know to come here to my backyard hospital.
Mr. Smiley, Zorro and chocolate chip are all well and never had pox, yet! Keepings my fingers crossed. Across the highway from me is a hotel that had about 20 squirrels at one time and they are done to 4, and one of the 4 has pox signs. They have all been lost to this virus. The owners have been upset because they would feed them regularly and they are just dissappearing fast. Wish there was a miracle sure for this virus. We can only educate people and try to do our best with helping them. Sharon

4skwerlz

06-04-2009, 06:50 AM

Thanks for the update, Sharon. You're such a wonderful lady to do all this for your little friends. This must be an interesting experience for your youngest son. He seemed like a gentle soul, with such beautiful eyes. I didn't really get to meet your oldest son--too busy riding his scooter!

Did you tell the hotel owner about the treatment for the pox?

I recently read that once the squirrel recovers from pox, they do have immunity. That's a good thing. And I believe Spot may pass her immunity to her babies.:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

Jackie in Tampa

06-04-2009, 06:52 AM

:thumbsup :D :grouphug :wave123
:jump
:jump

Anne

06-04-2009, 06:56 AM

Sharon, you are indeed a miracle worker! Poor Spot still looks bad but there is wonderful signs of healing:crazy If you didn't caption the pictures no one would ever know that was Patches:thumbsup I pray this virus skips N FL.:grouphug :grouphug Do you need anything? Seems like you and Hubby have all the love you need.:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug Prayer continuing for your gang.

Ontario Rehabber

06-04-2009, 12:34 PM

Sharon and family you are definitely miracle workers. Bless you for helping all these babies. The comparison pic of Patches is :D :D :D fantastic. Spot is looking so much better with the pox drying up :thumbsup Prayers for continued miracles for all the little ones.

You and your family are definitely squirrel angels to take the time, effort and heartbreak to help them. Many, many thanks to Jackie, Loopy, 4sqwerlz, Buddys Mom and anyone else involved in this miracle. :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

Loopy Squirrel

06-04-2009, 06:55 PM

This is wonderful that your yard buddies are recovering. It is also sad to hear about the loss of the others.

JLM27

06-04-2009, 09:36 PM

What a great TSB success story!

The hotel people, could you teach them what to do to combat this pox?

squirrelcharmer

06-04-2009, 10:23 PM

I have past on all the information and education I have been taught thru this wonderful board of marvelous people. I encouraged fresh water, clean dishes, healthy food for them, euchinicea for immune system, and told them not to be afraid of them. Also recommended they go to squirrel board and read many articles on pox. I had a baby squirrel show up today in my yard, maybe 6 months old, she has one good eye, but one almost closing up, milky film over the eye, think its pox. He is so cute. I feed him and he got some water, gave him some fruit and avacado, so I am sure he'll be back for our caring and love. SO his name is pumpkin, plus another new one named bubbles has pox on the face, and little dumbo has it on ear and eye. I have pictures but need to have them sized down to post. Will send some to Jackie. Take care. Sharon

Legomom

06-04-2009, 10:26 PM

Sounds like the squirrels are spreading the word about free food & medical care in the Keys! :D
You & your family are doing a great job, Sharon. On behalf of all of your furry friends :thankyou :thankyou :thankyou

PS - You can always send the pics to me for resizing. (Jackie usually does anyway.) :thumbsup

squirrelcharmer

06-04-2009, 10:45 PM

Thanks so much, I just forward all the pictures to you as well, so maybe you can size them up for me. You are wonderful. Thanks a million. Sharon

Legomom

06-04-2009, 10:56 PM

I'll have them up shortly. :thumbsup

Buddy'sMom

06-04-2009, 11:02 PM

I'm so glad you are seeing them heal. It must feel wonderful that you have helped them along to such good results. I hope the rest continue to do as well. Keep up the good work!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

That's something that Spot is pregnant --- and you know Daddy, too. :D

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Legomom

06-04-2009, 11:49 PM

Pics to post for Sharon.

Here's Patches as of today. He looks so good!! :thumbsup

Legomom

06-04-2009, 11:52 PM

Next, we have Spot...definitely preggers! May God bless her babies. :grouphug

And, Pumpkin. Poor baby. :grouphug

Legomom

06-04-2009, 11:54 PM

Finally, Dumbo & Bubbles. :grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Sharon - The pictures of Shadow didn't open. Said the file was corrupt. Can you try to re-send? :thankyou

squirrelcharmer

06-05-2009, 06:05 AM

Legomom:
Thanks so much for getting the pics posted. Your are the best. I will try to send Shadow's pics again. Sharon:jump :jump

Jackie in Tampa

06-05-2009, 06:52 AM

Thanks for sharing Sharon
and thanks for resizing Shanon!:osnap
I can do it, just at a slow speed!:D
Saying prayers for all these sweet babies!:grouphug
:bowdown Thanks Gardners!:bowdown

Legomom

06-05-2009, 09:46 AM

Some more of Sharon's buddies. :grouphug

Peanut back on May 23 & Peanut today.

Legomom

06-05-2009, 09:50 AM

From Sharon: "Here is Pebbles back in May, but she is completely healed and fine, not signs of any lesions or bumps." :grouphug

First two are Pebbles, last two are Shadow.

Ontario Rehabber

06-05-2009, 11:17 AM

Prayers for all. Keep up the fantastic job you are doing.:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown I love the before and after pics, it's terriffic seeing them feeling better and doing regular squirrelly things. Such a long process but sooooooooo worth it.:grouphug

Legomom

06-16-2009, 04:46 PM

Posting for Sharon:

"As you know Bubbles and Dumbo are my 2 really bad ones with pox. Spot is doing wonderful, and I feel will make a full recovery like Patches. They are a couple, and I am sure she has had her babies. She looks great. I will get some pics of her tomorrow. She is a quick one, so I need the camera ready. I have attached 2 pics of Bubbles from June 3rd and then a seperate email with todays pics of her. (see pics below.)The one eye still looks bad, but the big bubble and scab has come of the left eye which is good. I had 15 squirrels this morning at breakfast feeding. I was so happy, almost need a paint gun to plop a dot of paint on each one to tell them apart, I do know most of them, but I know I am getting new ones. And it is so cute to see them come in pairs, female and male. A bunch of couples, maybe the babies will follow in a few months, that would be great."

And, a note from Jackie:

"This shows how fast they can get to BAD shape! I hate pox..it freaks me out!
Good Luck my special sweet squirrel! I love you Bubbles, get well fast!
Great job Sharon...keep on keepin on!"

Ontario Rehabber

06-16-2009, 06:42 PM

Bubbles is improving so much, you should be thrilled :thumbsup :D You, and everyone else involved are doing an absolutely amazing job. :grouphug

Hoping, wishing, praying little Spot and her babies are good. :Love_Icon

Love and kisses to all the other little ones you are saving. Sounds like you have a Spa Mayo Clinic for squirrels going. :bowdown :bowdown

:thankyou for your dedication.

Nancy in New York

06-16-2009, 07:35 PM

I am totally at a loss for words...:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

Legomom

06-16-2009, 08:50 PM

Just for clarification...the first two pics of Bubbles in the last posting of pics were taken on June 3rd. The rest of them were taken today, June 16th.

Poor Bubbles looks awful, but it definitely sounds like what Sharon & family are doing is working so I'll be keeping her family & her yard buddies in my prayers.

You are doing an awesome thing, Sharon. :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

Jackie in Tampa

06-17-2009, 12:02 AM

These poor baby sqs...I know they are grateful for all that you do Sharon, but I wonder what they think?? The pain is obvious.
I see that avacodos are going sky high and I bet especailly high in the keys, oh my...spoiled sqs! High dollar meds...:sanp3 crazy huh! I paid $1.69 for one! I need a tree!
Glad that Patches and Spot have both made it over the hump so to spaek.
It seems that the virus is still going strong infecting others months after the original outbreak! There must be relief in site..:grouphug
:poke Rumor has it...that you are running a soup kitchen for poxy sqs...and the line is getting longer as the word gets around....:bowdown
big hugs from Tampa Sq Central to Camp Sq Island:grouphug

Loopy Squirrel

06-17-2009, 12:07 AM

I agree that it looks awful but they have a dedicated mom. Keep up the good work. The squirrels will thank you for it.

squirrelcharmer

06-17-2009, 01:11 AM

Thanks Jackie andLoopy and everyone else for the kind words. I had 15 squirrels at breakfast feeding yesterday. I was so happy they are starting to come back. Spot is doing wonderful. I will try to get a pic of her tomorrow, yes, she has had babies. They have a nest in my neighbors yard. She comes down for a big breakfast and then I don't see her till dinner, and she fills up then as well. I have not been able to see babies yet. My 2 bad ones with pox, areBubbles and Dumbo, ( both females). But it is just on their head,eyes and ears, some on paws. But seem to be healing quick, it seems like it is going thru them faster than when Patches had it, he suffered for ahile , till squirrel board got me HELP! And that was wonderful. None of them don't really seem like they are in pain, very active and eating, and running around. Seems like the itch more than hurt. Patches made a great recovery, Spot is doing the same, Shadow is fine now, as well as Pebbles and Peanut. I am praying Bubbles and Dumbo make it thru the virus. As long as I have the special help from squirrel board with things I need, I will be out there every day and evening feeding as many that will come, and welcome the new. They are all so beautiful to me and don't want to lose another one. It has been a long time since we lost Chip and Rocky, and the other 3 I had, before getting the help I needed. The virus has spread more here in the keys, but more people have been educated and articles have been in newspapers and on Tv. I have had several calls from co workers who know people and they have called me for advise on what to do. I tell them everything you all have taught me and how they can go to the board and learn so much more about this terrible virus. Thank you again, and I will keep you all posted with new pics. Sharon:thankyou :thankyou

Jackie in Tampa

06-17-2009, 07:46 AM

:grouphug ugs to you and your sq friends!:D

Ontario Rehabber

06-17-2009, 08:36 AM

Pointy Tale

06-18-2009, 07:53 AM

Every time I pop into this thread, although sad at many turns, it brings such joy to see how wonderful all of the members to are helping. It is amazing how quickly they recovery.

Thank you for my soul for helping these beautiful squirrels. Is there anything you need from me to help, even in some small way? Please let me know.

squirrelfriend

06-18-2009, 08:27 AM

Wow, your area sure got hit hard with the pox this year. I wish the best for your babies. Thank you for helping them out. You are a saint.:thumbsup

Jackie in Tampa

06-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Hey you guys on the other Board, please pass my number on to your St.Pete member!
I can help and you know we never post all avenues on the open forum...
I know exactly what is working and what does NOT!
:poke So if you love sqs...you will share my number!
:thankyou thanks for loving sqs!:wave123
sorry to thread jacket on your thread Sharon, just wanting to get some other poxy kids some help and meds with proper info!

squirrelcharmer

06-21-2009, 12:49 AM

Not a problem, the more squirrels we can help, the better. You Rock Jackie!:jump

Legomom

06-21-2009, 01:50 AM

Posting for Sharon~

"(Dumbo) She is my really bad case of pox, and is not doing well at all. Talked to Jackie tonight for a long time, and she is almost sure that the best thing for Dumbo would be to trap and take to nearest vet, and then they would put
her to sleep. We both were in tears, but Jackie feels since she can't move around very well, eating barely anything, takes a few steps and has to stop, because of very heavy labored breathing, like every step takes so much out of her. She looks sad too. My husband wants to try and trap her and see if we make her a little place on our back porch, and she is watched and safe, and maybe able to get her meds twice aday, we might could save her, like we
did with Patches, but I don't have a good feeling about her, and it is not that I wouldn't try, just feel like Jackie said, she is in the final stages of pox, and it looks like Pox won this time. I really don't know what will happen tomorrow, if I am able to trap or catch her what we will do. I know she is suffering terribly."

Sharon, after looking at these pictures & reading your email, I would have to agree with Jackie, though I know little about pox...poor Dumbo looks miserable. And labored breathing along with slow movement is not a good thing. She could end up being a meal for a predator. I, for one, would rather see her cross the bridge with peace & compassion rather than pain & fear. JMO
My thoughts & prayers are with you, your family, Dumbo & all of your yard buddies. :grouphug

Order of pictures:
1) Taken June 11, 2009
2 - 4) Taken June 19, 2009
5 & 6) Taken June 20, 2009

Jackie in Tampa

06-21-2009, 06:52 AM

:grouphug

Thank You Steve and Sharon.
R I P Dumbo

island rehabber

06-21-2009, 08:12 AM

Tears for Dumbo, and for all of you down there facing this demon disease every day. I have no doubt you are doing the right thing by helping her out of this misery. May God give you strength. :grouphug

Anne

06-21-2009, 08:26 AM

Oh, that poor brave squirrel, how awful she must feel. Tears are streaming down my face just looking at her. God love her, how does she stand it? The pox is every where on her. Blessed little angel. :grouphug :grouphug :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :Love_Icon :grouphug :grouphug

Ontario Rehabber

06-21-2009, 09:23 AM

Bless sweet little Dumbo - poor, poor, baby :grouphug :grouphug Bless you Sharon and Steve for everything you are doing for all these poor little babies with this DISGUSTING DISEASE. May God be with you and give you strength. :Love_Icon

tatcat

06-21-2009, 09:51 AM

:grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

atlantasquirrelgirl

06-21-2009, 10:58 AM

Good luck with trapping Dumbo, and with whatever decision you make thereafter.

Jackie in Tampa

06-21-2009, 12:10 PM

This is from a pm to lego, and barbra b., and attenpted aemj jeff.
and no phone call from barabra unless on home phone ad I do not know how to ck messages, eek. But not on cell.:shakehead
I did forward her the FAQs sheet and know she can read our entire protocol, our victories and our failures. Our experiences with only observation theory, no science.
Problem with barbra is...she has same opportunity as all...OUR KNOWLEDGE, but I cannot help any more than that...she must find a vet/med connection like Sharon was able to do..{MAYBE JEFF OR KCLARK can get meds???} Then I can advise like I have been Sharon in the keys, personally off the board, not that we are hiding anything, but I cannot type all that I need to in order to help. otherwise the best advise is in the FAQ sheet. All names have been removed and the entire document has been cleaned and can now be shared.:peace

I did email her and advise her to feed them avacodo so they will get used to it, I like to use as a possible meds avenue....Inside an empty peanut shell. Must be able to dose independantly and KNOW YOUR SQS, no guessing and no dosing openly to all, for the obvious reasons.
It is a time consuming treatment and very expensive.
As the virus replicates in their bodies, good results will dwindle. The sooner the better is my point, once confirmed pox...
The epidemic may take many weeks to run through her yard. Daily she see may see newly eflicted sqs. bummer.:shakehead
If she has favorites that she can COUNT on coming daily for meds, it's worth a try. :dono
Remove all sunflower seeds from their diet, they cause jittery stress in a healthy sq and pox causes severe streess...no cheap junk food! Quaility food only...trust me they can switch to ROASTED UNSALTED PEANUTS, pecans, hazelnuts and watermelon, avacodo, corn with no problems.:sanp3
Build immune system through drinking water...anything is better than nothing! Green tea in the bird bath, echinecia, seakelp, mads, seameal, anything healthy. I used a very expensive suppliment from Shaklee, Nutriferon {Thanks my special Angel} and I will push it as it was designed to do what we are looking for!
Know and accept with all your heart that sometimes death will be a gift...:(
The only time a trap is needed is to help with that.:( AEMJ Jeff is a great hands on man, and he will know how to help Barbra.:(.
Of course clean up yard, no water or low foilage where skitters will be lurking, common sense stuff!
Disinfect all watering and feeding stations daily with bleach.
Nothing wrong with doing research. although, if it's out there..out pox team has read it most likely.:thinking
Good luck and may God bless your sqs.:grouphug

longshotgamble

06-21-2009, 12:16 PM

Gosh that POX is horrible. Sending good thoughts and hope you stay in touch.

Pointy Tale

06-21-2009, 12:17 PM

Dumbo was simply the most beautiful squirrel I have ever seen, my prayers are with you, my heart goes out to you. Is there anything I can do?

Fantastic information you shared Jackie.

squirrelcharmer

06-22-2009, 09:13 PM

Well as you all know I was going to trap Dumbo after talking to Jackie, but for some reason God is giving her a chance. She must have known and won't come down out of the tree, but she will come down close enough for me to hand feed her on a limb, sometimes I put food on the end of a stick and she takes it, eats and then when she is done, will crawl up the tree further and rest all day, then return at dinner. I always go out and check on her and know where she is in her special tree. I think she decided to stick around and not go away anymore cause she knows :Momma: is trying to get her better. She actually had more movement and appetite since I spoke to Jackie, and her breathing is a little better, some of the red has dried up and is starting to scab. She is getting her water, even if I have to set dishes in the trees for her. God has a plan for her, just like Patches. I don't want to see any of them suffer, and I would be the first if she gets bad again to try and take her to a vet, but for some reason, God wouldn't let her come down and get in the trap. She had avacado ( 4 small pieces today, little peanut butter balls with crushed nuts in it, a small piece of apple, and half a grape) I know it doesn't seem like alot about 2 days ago, she couldn't even finish a small peanut. I am praying and asking all of you to pray for her and I am really hoping I am doing the best for her and not making her suffer. She knows my voice and her name, as every time I go outside and call her , she looks down at me with her good eye and follows my movements, I am still not sure if she has lost the left eye for good, as none of the scabs have fallen off. I wish they would, and there are some"Special Ingredients"in her food that I am sure is helping her get her rest and not hurt so much, I will keep you posted and will post a new pic next week to see if any of you can tell a difference in her. Thank you all for your help and support, pray for my little Dumbo. Sharon:thankyou