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Mickey's Mom
01-07-2009, 02:04 AM
Sorry this will be a LONG story folks -- but I want to give you as much background as I can because I need advice! Five days ago I acquired an almost-adult male Fox Squirrel from a fellow rehabber, who had gotten him 4 days earlier from an acquaintance who found him in July 2008. We are guessing he was a spring 2008 baby. When the lady found him he was "searching frantically" around the base of a tree, extremely emaciated and with alot of fur loss. She didn't think he would make it through the night but took him home and it soon became apparent to her that he is either totally or partially blind so he could not be released. He shows some neuro symptoms as well -- wobbly and a slight tilt to one side. Being a kind soul, she didn't want him euthanized. She named him "Squirrelly" and has kept him for the last 5 months inside (in her kitchen!) in a small cage, without heat, no blankies or enrichment items (only a cardboard box to hide under), and fed him mostly apples, avocado, romaine lettuce, sunflower seeds, acorns, peanuts. She is a busy person who knows nothing about squirrels and didn't do much research on proper diet, housing, or really try to tame him. We live in an "illegal" state so getting veterinary help was not an option for her. However, he did survive and he has gained weight and his fur is better than when she found him. After she had him for a few months he started circling the cage at night -- always in a counter-clockwise direction. Then later started doing it "occasionally" during the day too.

Finally a few weeks ago she contacted my friend (who she heard or recalled was a squirrel rehabber), asking for some advice/consultation. My friend took him home and got me involved; we set him up in a much larger (but still low) cage with a nestbox, heat, lots of fleecies, some greenery and pinecones, etc. For the first 3 days at my friend's home, he circled frantically and almost constantly to the point where she felt he was suffering and was ready to take him for euthanasia. I wanted to give him a little more time to figure out whether the circling might be from some combination of cage stress/OCD/sensory deprivation/poor nutrition etc. versus permanent neurological damage. So I took him 5 days ago.

He is definitely vision impaired although some behaviors make me wonder if he has at least some light sensitivity or limited vision. The left eye looks normal size, but the right one is smaller and a little squinty looking. His coat is rough and he has some bare patches, mostly on his right side, elbow, foot, and the edge of his haunch. When he tries to groom he often falls on his back and grooms his tail but I think he's not cleaning himself well. Sometimes he eats sitting on all fours with the food braced between his front paws, other times he falls over on his side/back and eats looking sort of like a sea otter does it. He is wobbly but gets around the cage. He can reach up and drink water from his bottle. We estimated he weighs around 500g; he looks slightly thin but not emaciated by any means.

The first 3 days with me, he slept almost constantly and seldom came out of the nestbox or out from under the blankets. I kept feeling him to make sure he was alive! (I'm sure he was completely exhausted from all the circling activity!) He did make a few trips across the cage for food and water and I did not observe any circling.

We were sure he must have some degree of MBD based on his diet, so we've been giving him extra calcium (diluted calcium citrate or calcium carbonate) -- probably anywhere from 20-50 mg the first few days, to 187.5 mg today. I'm also giving him full-fat yogurt with some Esbilac powder stirred into it, about 6cc daily. And I'm trying to feed as many items on the healthy diet recommended here as I can although so far his favorites are still what he knew before -- avocado and apple. He did eat cherries and grapes yesterday. Today I started sprinkling calcium citrate powder on the avocado and other foods too. I'm waiting on an order of Henry's Healthy squirrel blocks which should arrive any day now, so I pray he'll like them. Oh, I do have an Ott-Lite over the cage (which I think but am not positive is full-spectrum light) but of course he's not out all the time so I'm not sure how much good it does. If he calms down I could entertain the idea of taking him outside, but it's difficult getting him downstairs in that cage and I'm afraid to stress him more right now.

I've been trying to stroke him, rub his ears, and talk to him gently many times a day. Sometimes he appears to really like it, one time he sat there for over 20 minutes and looked so relaxed. Other times when I try to touch him he is frightened and shys away. He has not tried to bite me except when I have to catch him in the "Vulcan hold" to administer calcium and yogurt. Today he devoured a large chunk of avocado while I held it for him. I think he's slowly getting used to me but he is far from "tame". He hates being caught but I've felt that's the only way I can make sure he's getting extra calcium and nutrients for now.

So as he seems to be more comfortable with the new environment the last 2 days, he has started coming out from under the blankies more and he has started circling again. Not so frenetically and not constantly, but it increased today over yesterday. When he hears me coming into the room he will stop it and get under the covers if he can before I get there. I try again to stroke him and calm him but after I leave he will come out within ten to fifteen minutes and often start the circling again.

Well the bottom line is ... I'm looking for advice from anyone who's had experience with a blind squirrel, a circling squirrel, a neuro squirrel, etc. My friend and I are not vet techs, we work under the guidance of a wildlife hospital and we are very experienced with raising orphaned squirrels but not much with adult rehab and never with these kind of disabilities. We certainly can't take him to the wildlife hospital as they will put him down in a heartbeat if he is non-releasable. I don't know a wildlife vet that would see him but I might be able to find a connection if I REALLY thought a vet could/would do anything for him at this point.

My friend and I figure the best we could hope for is to reduce the circling behavior, improve his diet and his fur condition, provide him more enrichment and tame him somewhat so he can be handled more easily. I don't think I can keep him long-term, but if some improvement along those lines were made, I wonder if I could find him a home with a squirrel lover in a "legal" state who would give him good care?

I have too many questions to list but those that pop to the top are:

- Is there any chance the blindness and/or wobbly symptoms could be reversed or treated at this late date? (I know there are some drugs used to reduce brain inflammation in injury cases but it's been 5 months now... and that's IF we could find him some medical care?)

- Any opinions as to whether the circling behavior is cage stress, habit, or could possibly be a symptom of MBD? The fact that he didn't do it until after the finder had him for several months makes me think it's not a direct result of his injury or neuro condition but I'm not sure? And if it is stress, nervous habit, or MBD related, how long do you think it might take to reverse the behavior?

- Any tips on behavior and environment from those who have experience with blind squirrels?

- Any suggestions regarding use of calcium supplementation or diet improvement? Should I continue it (do I need to if he eats Henry's blocks and how many would he need to eat a day?) Is there a better way to give it? Also, I read calcium citrate is less constipating than calcium carbonate, but the only calcium citrate I could readily find also has magnesium in it (300mg. cal citrate to 150 mg. magnesium) -- is this okay?

- Finally, am I being unrealistic to try to rehabilitate him and find him a home? Do you think his quality of life so poor that we should euthanize?

I apologize again for writing a book here folks! I'm already attached to the little guy and hate to think of euthanasia for Squirrelly but I don't want him to suffer either. Any advice you have will be welcome.

Thanks! :thankyou

Frickster
01-07-2009, 02:10 AM
I am going to PM one of the members probably BEST with the neuro babies and ask her to check out your thread....she's raised several that most thought would have no quality of life worth mentioning....and these were happy little babies...still are as a matter of fact....

Mickey's Mom
01-07-2009, 02:21 AM
Thanks so much Frickster! :thankyou I didn't even think anyone else would be up this time of night. Bless you and little Frick too!

Frickster
01-07-2009, 02:22 AM
ME!!!?? oh my gosh! bless you and that sweet little fuzzy! as long as you're still on here....check out Loopy Squirrel's thread on the Wobbler Gang. I'm not sure how to link it here...but you can do a search. Please...definitely read it....it's TRULY inspirational!

Frickster
01-07-2009, 02:36 AM
I am going to try to link...we'll see if it works...

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11207&referrerid=3760

Peaches
01-07-2009, 03:00 AM
From everything your telling us I don't think the circling is neurological. I think its cage stress. She had him in a small cage without much interaction, at this point I think he started circling out of boredom and now its just a habit. If you can let him out of the cage in a safe area to run around a bit you will find out soon enough if its the cage or not. Basically if he does not do this outside the cage roaming free then its just "caged animal syndrome".
As for the wobbling that sounds like a head injury and it is probably way too late to try to treat that. They can however live a long happy life like this. I had a wild yard squirrel that got hit in the head during a storm and lived till she was 5 yrs old outside like this. She was not blind however. Your squirrel will probably never be releasable but I'm sure he can live a happy life.
With proper nutrition he will probably improve somewhat but not completely.
So far it sounds like you are doing everything right, I hope you can hand tame him because this one is definitely a house squirrel.

squirrelfriend
01-07-2009, 04:41 AM
You are not being unrealistic. I have several squirrels here that have neuro and sight issues. They can live a enriched life and be happy. Give the little guy time to adjust. He will eventually be more calm around you. He may and may not ever be "tame" but he will be tamer. I have not seen any reversal in nero problems as to date. Wobbliness does improve a bit when they get their strength back though.

Best of luck with this little guy. I wish you the best.

Jackie in Tampa
01-07-2009, 05:28 AM
Thanks for your good heart!:bowdown

Sometimes love alone is enough, good luck!:grouphug

Jackie in Tampa
01-07-2009, 06:15 AM
Thanks for your good heart!:bowdown

Sometimes love alone is enough, good luck!:grouphug
Plus good diet and care...sorry I didn't mean JUST love! It is early and I have been party'in all night with my flyers...seems like I never get to sleep any more...just mini naps....:sanp3
day sqs, nite sqs......

Mickey's Mom
01-07-2009, 10:04 PM
Frickster, Jackie, Peaches and Squirrelfriend,

Thanks so much :thankyou for taking the time to read my long posting and to give your opinions. I will keep trying to calm him down and give him the right nutrition and hope the circling will lessen. I'll keep you posted on the outcome. Frickster, I did read the thread you copied for me, thanks much! (I had tried a search but somehow that thread didn't come up for me, so you saved me time in finding it). It's nice to have the support of a bunch of squirrel lovers! Hugs to you all for caring. :grouphug

4skwerlz
01-07-2009, 10:35 PM
This case just breaks my heart.



I have too many questions to list but those that pop to the top are:

- Is there any chance the blindness and/or wobbly symptoms could be reversed or treated at this late date? (I know there are some drugs used to reduce brain inflammation in injury cases but it's been 5 months now... and that's IF we could find him some medical care?)
It's hard to say. This poor little guy has had a rough start and could have many problems. Nutritional. Head injury. Psychological problems from being kept in a cage....

- Any opinions as to whether the circling behavior is cage stress, habit, or could possibly be a symptom of MBD? The fact that he didn't do it until after the finder had him for several months makes me think it's not a direct result of his injury or neuro condition but I'm not sure? And if it is stress, nervous habit, or MBD related, how long do you think it might take to reverse the behavior?
Him being confined to a cage is probably a big part of his problem, psychologically and possibly physically as well. The thought of him being in that little cage just breaks my heart. If it's anything other than an old head injury, I believe the chances for improvement are good.

- Any tips on behavior and environment from those who have experience with blind squirrels?
I think ALL squirrels, regardless of any sight problems, need a "safe" area to retreat to, and opportunities to explore as well. They navigate by feel and smell as well as by sight.

- Any suggestions regarding use of calcium supplementation or diet improvement? Should I continue it (do I need to if he eats Henry's blocks and how many would he need to eat a day?) Is there a better way to give it? Also, I read calcium citrate is less constipating than calcium carbonate, but the only calcium citrate I could readily find also has magnesium in it (300mg. cal citrate to 150 mg. magnesium) -- is this okay?
You can give him 300 mg of calcium per day. I haven't ever seen problems with constipation in squirrels.... I think the plain calcium citrate or carbonate will be fine. If you believe he has MBD, I would do this for several weeks even after he's eating the blocks. You should be getting your order of squirrel blocks within a day or so. If you had let me know it was an emergency, I could have expedited them.

- Finally, am I being unrealistic to try to rehabilitate him and find him a home? Do you think his quality of life so poor that we should euthanize?
I believe that as long as a squirrel has a person to love them, lots of freedom (running free in the house; NOT in a cage), and good nutritious food, and is not in pain, they can be happy. My Henry is blind in one eye and is the happiest little guy you'd ever see.

I apologize again for writing a book here folks! I'm already attached to the little guy and hate to think of euthanasia for Squirrelly but I don't want him to suffer either. Any advice you have will be welcome.

Thanks! :thankyou

Mickey's Mom
01-08-2009, 03:05 PM
4skwerlz,

The adult blocks just arrived in the mail 15 minutes ago :D and guess what? Squirrelly devoured two of them as soon as I put them in the cage!!! :multi This will really help with his nutrition because right now he doesn't want to eat much else except avocados and apples. I sprinkle everything I give him with calcium citrate powder, but it's hard for me to give him the syringe of calcium solution because he doesn't trust me yet and I hate to stress him out by catching and holding him. Anyway, thanks so much for the blocks and for your insights. :thankyou :thankyou

p.s. I took a small nibble and they taste pretty good -- nutty! :D

foxsquirrels
01-08-2009, 03:26 PM
How wonderful that you have already received some squirrel blocks from 4Skwerlz, they are wonderful, all of my squirrels love them.

Here is something you might want to look in to. I have a squirrel that had a severe open skull fracture when he was about 4 weeks old. He is now almost 9 months old and is doing much better. I started using the Vetri-DMG for him about 3 months ago and he is so much better. He has a problem with balance, when he sits up to eat, he leans to one side and then falls backward. This only happens once in awhile now and he can recover his balance before he falls. I highly recommend the Vetri-DMG for a squirrel like yours. This is homeopathic so there should be no side effects at all. I will post the link for you to take a look.
http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.searchResults

We have several members who can also help you with homeopathic medicine further if you wish to try it. Chris, the owner of this store can also help you, she has been in this business a long time.

Mickey's Mom
01-08-2009, 05:17 PM
foxsquirrels, thanks for the tip on the Vetri-DMG! I happened to need an order from Chris' anyway, and even had a $10 credit to use up, so I ordered Vetri-DMG today. Hey I'm open to trying anything that might ease the stress and improve Squirrelly's quality of life. :thankyou

Mickey's Mom
01-11-2009, 03:03 AM
Hi again and thank you all for your encouragement and suggestions. I thought I would post a few pictures of Squirrelly. I've had him for 8 days now and I feel there has been some improvement: He seems a bit less wobbly and I don't see him fall over backwards anymore. His coat looks a little better to me. He isn't quite as afraid of me, but still tends to dive under the blankets when I get too close. Sometimes he'll let me stroke him for awhile, but other times acts like I'm his enemy. He's had two doses of ivermectin now and his ears don't feel crusty, so I don't believe he had mange but I didn't want to take a chance. He still circles alot during the day. We are beginning to wonder if his left eye has some vision, based on his reactions to movement. You may notice in the pics that his left eye looks normal sized, but his right eye is kind of squinty. The right side has alot more hair loss than the left, and I wonder if this could have been due to circling in the small cage he was in -- rubbing up against the mesh? Or maybe his coat issues are all nutritional, but I wonder would it be more symmetrical in that case?

OK the first two pics show his left side pretty well:
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The next one shows his right side with the bare spots:
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This one shows him peeping out from under the covers and the smaller left eye:
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Last one is the only head-on shot I could get:
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lillysmom
01-11-2009, 10:10 AM
he is gorgeous..love the red tail..
hope he gets better
:grouphug

TinyPaws
01-12-2009, 06:14 AM
Awwwww..such a sweet face...Too bad I don't live closer cause I could give him a wonderful forever home...but finding him one won't be difficult...:grouphug

Mickey's Mom
01-12-2009, 11:26 PM
Thanks Tiny Paws and lillysmom for your hugs and support! I believe prayers are answered! Squirrelly is doing a little bit better every day I think. I'm working on finding him a good forever home too!

:thankyou

Sciurus1
01-13-2009, 01:08 AM
We live in an "illegal" state so getting veterinary help was not an option for her.


This is not necessarily so!

Frickster
01-13-2009, 03:33 AM
applecorps was the go to for finding vet help wasn't he? and wasn't he from california?:dono

Mickey's Mom
01-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Frickster, thanks for thinking of us and your good suggestion. :thankyou Actually both Sciurus1, Gamma's and Apple Corps have given me some good information on finding vet care for Squirrelly! TSB people are SO helpful and I am so glad to have found you guys here! :thumbsup :D

Mickey's Mom
01-17-2009, 09:53 PM
How wonderful that you have already received some squirrel blocks from 4Skwerlz, they are wonderful, all of my squirrels love them.

Here is something you might want to look in to. I have a squirrel that had a severe open skull fracture when he was about 4 weeks old. He is now almost 9 months old and is doing much better. I started using the Vetri-DMG for him about 3 months ago and he is so much better. He has a problem with balance, when he sits up to eat, he leans to one side and then falls backward. This only happens once in awhile now and he can recover his balance before he falls. I highly recommend the Vetri-DMG for a squirrel like yours. This is homeopathic so there should be no side effects at all. I will post the link for you to take a look.
http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.searchResults

We have several members who can also help you with homeopathic medicine further if you wish to try it. Chris, the owner of this store can also help you, she has been in this business a long time.

Jackie, the VetriDMG just arrived yesterday. What do you suggest for usage? One drop a day or more? OK to give it on a piece of food? Also, I've been using the Rescue Remedy that Gamma suggested -- any issue with giving both every day?

I'm going to attach a new pic of Squirrelly here too - as you can see his balance seems better - he is able to balance upright and eat now (avocado in this picture). :wott :thankyou all for continuing advice and support!