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animals101
11-03-2008, 06:49 PM
he has full fir... about 1/2 the size of a full grown (maybe a bit bigger).. had him for 3 weeks now. was a quite active heathy guy and in the past 24hrs he has been on the ground curled in a ball .. you touch him he yelps... seems to be in pain yet i dont think nething is broke... diet is a large variety of nuts corn and seed... i put him at the top his tree "6ft" climbed down very sluggish like please help thx

Jackie in Tampa
11-03-2008, 06:53 PM
Can you post a picture?
:grouphug

rippie-n-lilgirlsmom
11-03-2008, 06:56 PM
He needs esbilac quickly, you can find it in pet stores or vets will have it.
Its puppy formula but its the closest thing to Mom. If there is no store near you you can use Ensure vanilla flavor or pecan just for tonight but he must have the formula tomorrow. ( Warm it ) Feed him with syringe or dropper no baby bottles. DO you have a weight on him?
Put him on a heating pad set on low. It sounds like he has Metabloic Bone disease and it is fatal, if you act quickly you may be able to save him by following directions.
Discontinue seeds and corn now.
Tell me more about where you found him.

animals101
11-03-2008, 07:23 PM
i cannt get a pic comps too old um he is not a baby prob 4-6mon old. he is not lifting his head at all. i wont lie he has no pad yet i do have 1 and have placed it there. he has a 6ftx3ft cage with a nest

animals101
11-03-2008, 07:26 PM
was givin to me from some1 @work...

animals101
11-03-2008, 07:27 PM
weight prob a 1/2 lb

I Love Lucy
11-03-2008, 07:33 PM
Your baby maybe suffering from low blood sugar so try to give it some molasses, corn syrup, maple syrup (not the natural one the Log Cabin type) or some honey. But it also sounds to me like the poor thing has developed Metabolic Bone Disease which is caused by a diet lacking calcium. MBD is extremely painful and is fatal if left untreated. You must stop the nuts, corn and seeds ASAP. All of these are meant as once in a while treats. Your baby is in desperate need of a healthy diet and must have calcium ASAP. Give your baby a TUMS with calcium or crush a calcium vitamin. You can give it in either pedialyte, Esbilac in an eye dropper or syringe or try have the baby eat some applesauce, yogurt or baby food with the supplement in it.

You have to do some MAJOR changes in your squirrels diet IMMEDIATELY, AND she also MUST go outside, in a cage, EVERY day for a couple of hours, and/or be under FUll SPectrum Lighting from morning until dusk. The light helps her body make Vit. D to help absorb the calcium she gets in her diet.

Healthy Diet for Pet Squirrels
(Revised March 21, 2008)

Your squirrel needs a balanced diet containing protein, fat, and vitamins and minerals, including lots of calcium. Feed a variety of foods from each category in the amounts indicated. Note: Amounts are for a 450-gram (1 pound) squirrel, and should be adjusted as necessary depending on your squirrel’s weight. For squirrels that are older, overweight, or less active, you should limit foods that are high in sugars, starches, or fat.

1. Rodent Block—2-4 small blocks per day. Below are two of the best:
Harlan Teklad 2014 and 2018 Rodent Diets. The cadillac of rodent chows. Vegetarian formulas contain no preservatives, phytoestrogens, or nitrosamines. The 2014 is a low-fat, low-protein formula suitable for older squirrels. The 2018 is for growing squirrels (under 18 months old). Store in the refrigerator. $5.00 for 5 lbs at the Crafty Rat:
http://www.craftyrat.com/Merchant2/m...tegory_Code=FS

KayTee Forti-Diet for Rats and Mice. A tasty vegetarian rodent diet available at pet stores. If you’re having trouble getting your squirrel to eat blocks, it can be a good choice. Does contain added sugars such as molasses, as well as preservatives for long shelf life. $3.47 for 2 lbs at Petco:
http://www.petco.com/product/5906/Ka...-Rat-Food.aspx
2. High-Calcium Vegetables—5-7 thumb-sized pieces per day. Arugula, beet greens, Belgian endive, carrots, celery, chicory, chinese cabbage (bok choy), cilantro (fresh), chrysanthemum flowers, collard greens, dandelion greens, escarole, fennel, kale, lettuce (looseleaf), mustard spinach, parsley (fresh), purslane, radicchio, radishes, romaine lettuce, squash (butternut; raw or cooked), swiss chard, turnip greens, watercress.

3. Other Healthy Veggies—2-3 pieces per day. Asparagus, artichokes, avocado**, bell peppers (green, red, or yellow), broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, carnations, cauliflower, cherry tomatoes, cucumber, green beans, mushrooms (1 per week), okra, pumpkin, squash (all types; raw or cooked), sugar snap peas, sweet potato* (raw or cooked), zucchini.
*Somewhat higher in sugars/starches
**High in fat; also the skin and pit are toxic
Avoid: Dried vegetables, fresh corn, garlic, onion, palm hearts, potatoes, sprouts, yams

4. Wild Foods—Unlimited while in season. Magnolia cones, pine cones, pine branches and bark, branch tips of nontoxic trees, roses from your garden, wild rose hips, purslane, plaintain, lambs quarters, and dandelion greens can be gathered fresh daily. Look to see what the wild squirrels are eating in your area. Make sure the area wasn’t sprayed, fertilized, or treated with any chemicals.

5. Animal Protein. Live or dried mealworms, crickets, or live moths (2 per day). Another option is eggs (hard-boiled or scrambled, with the shell), cheese, or plain yogurt mashed with some fruit (1 tsp. per day). Mealworms are available live or canned from pet stores and online at http://www.exoticnutrition.com/Treat-Department.htm

6. Fruit—2 slices per day. Apple, apricot, bananas,* blackberries, blueberries, cantaloupe, cherries* (sweet), cherries (sour), crabapples,* cranberries, grapefruit, grapes,* honeydew, kiwi, kumquats, lemon, lime, mangos,* navel oranges, nectarines, papaya, passion fruit,* peaches, pears, pineapple, pomegranates,* raspberries, strawberries, watermelon.
*Somewhat higher in sugars/starches
Note: Pits and seeds can be toxic, except for berries.
Avoid: Dates, dried fruit of any kind, figs, fruit juice, persimmons, plums, prunes, raisins.

7. Nuts/Seeds—Two per day, preferably in the shell. Acorns, whole roasted pumpkin seeds, and almonds are the healthiest, followed by hazelnuts, macadamia nuts, English walnuts, pecans, pistachios, and peanuts, in that order. Unlike other nuts/seeds, sesame seeds are an excellent source of calcium.
Avoid: Cashews, sunflower seeds, dried corn, pine nuts (will cause severe calcium loss).

8. Something to Chew On. Antlers, tree branches, sea shells, or a walnut-sized rock from outdoors provide trace minerals and keep teeth from overgrowing. A cuttlebone or other calcium/mineral block should be hung on the side of the cage.

Foods to Avoid Generally
-Packaged “squirrel food,” “pet treats,” or seed mixes.
-Starchy foods: pasta, bread, grains, seeds, rice, potatoes.
-Sugary foods: candy, cookies, dried fruit, banana chips, soda, fruit juices, sweetened yogurt, granola, sweetened breakfast cereals.
-Junk food: french fries, potato chips, pretzels, crackers, anything salted.
-Legumes: beans (kidney beans, lentils, etc.), peas, and soybeans; except for green beans and sugar snap peas in the pod.
-Artificial sweeteners like Nutra-Sweet or aspartame.
Also Important for Good Health:

Natural sunlight. 1 hour per day in an outdoor cage or screened porch during the warm months provides Vit D and will help keep your squirrel healthy. An open window screened with aluminum screening or hardware cloth is another option. Indoors, a full-spectrum light (FSL) for 8 hrs per day is the next-best thing; although it does not provide Vit D, it is believed to have other health benefits.

Maintaining a Healthy Weight. Being overweight causes all kinds of health problems and is a major factor in diabetes in older animals. “Healthy weights” may vary: northern squirrels tend to be heavier than southern squirrels, and foxers are heavier than greys. In general, your pet should look like the healthy wild squirrels in your area.
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Here is the info on Full Spectrum Lighting....You may not find these exact bulbs in your area, but go by the color temperature, and the CRI listed below.

All you have to remember.....to be a full spectrum bulb, the color temperature must be 5000K or greater, and the CRI (color rendering index) must be at least 90.

I, personally, use the Ott Lite. It does NOT say Full Spectrum on the box, but the Rep. at the company said it DOES meet all these requirements, and IS Full Spectrum. They are not only Full Spectrum, but they are the closest light to natural daylight, and that is also what we are trying to simulate with squirrels in captivity. Chris, (a very experienced rehabber for over 25 years), uses and sells only these lights. I love these lights because they have a plastic, protective shield over them to prevent them from getting hot, and burning a squirrel that may get to close. I'll list where they are found, and a picture of them, as they come in two different boxes.

Any FSL must be within 24" of the squirrel, for them to get the full effect from it. I don't think the wattage really has anything to do with it. It just depends on how bright you want the light to be.

Here's a list from the OTT Light site of where to buy the OTT OLB-17 or OLB-17R bulb:

HOBBY & CRAFT
Babylock Machine Dealers
Joann Stores
Brewer Sewing Supply
Joann.com
Checker Distributorsj
Michaels
Lumenlight.com
Nancy's Notions
Elna Machine Dealers
PFAFF
Hancock Fabrics
Simplicity Machine Dealers
Hobby Lobby
Husqvarna Viking
Janome Machine Dealers

ART SUPPLY
Dick Blick
Jerry's Artarama

OFFICE/HOME OFFICE
Fry's Electronics
Lumenlight.com
Office Depot

DEPARTMENT STORES
JC Penney - Select Locations

Bed Bath & Beyond
Home Depot

And of course,
Chris' Squirrels and More (http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/)
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Legomom
11-03-2008, 07:44 PM
I am not a licensed rehabber, but it sounds like it could be metabolic bone disease? (If I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.) Until they do, here is some info on emergency treatment if it is MBD.

(I copied this from another post on TSB.)


MBD Treatment-Week One

1. Provide emergency calcium. You can buy calcium carbonate supplement pills (600 mg) at any drugstore.

Dosage: Day 1--600 mg of calcium. Then 400 mg per day for a total of 3,000 mg of calcium for the first week.

How to give the calcium: The first day, crush up the pill in water and give by mouth with an eyedropper, one drop at a time, until he has taken the full day’s dosage. After that, if the squirrel is still eating well, crush up the pills and put in his food: yogurt, avocado, banana, even peanut butter will work. If squirrel won’t take the calcium in food, continue with the eyedropper.

[b]2. Provide natural sources of Vitamin D: mealworms, mushrooms, eggs, dairy products (especially yogurt--make sure the label says the yogurt contains Vit D).

3. Provide a liquid vitamin supplement. Buy the kind for rats and mice—available at any pet store. Dose per directions on the label.

4. Provide sources of Vitamin C. Oranges are good, but red or green bell peppers are the highest.

5. Eliminate all nuts, seeds and other unhealthy foods. Feed only foods from the recommended Diet.

6. Introduce a balanced rodent chow. try KayTee Forti-Diet for Rats and Mice. I recommend this because it is widely available at pet stores and it is tasty.

7. Follow the recommended Diet for Pet Squirrels. Make sure your squirrel is getting foods from every category.

Note: The emergency MBD treatment is calcium and Vit D. Changing your squirrel's diet will take time; he will have to learn to like the new foods.




I believe a getting him to eat a Tums tablet (crushed in esbilac?) would be a good place to get a quick jump on things.

FallensMommie
11-04-2008, 05:43 AM
Please listen to the advise others have given on MBD and getting calcium into her ASAP! Squirrels not on a proper diet can develop MBD in 5 days.

Can you please update!

Jackie in Tampa
11-04-2008, 06:16 AM
How is sq today?
It is important to get calcium into sqs asap.
You have been given good advise...it sounds like she needs a serious change in her diet first. Get her outside in the sun...can you hold her, or is she too wild?
I have some quick fix ideas, but they are only temporary, and you need to turn her around immediately. If you need a rehabber, we can help you find one near you. :grouphug
I too have a sq with MBD, he is 6.5 y/o..
:Welcome Good Luck and Welcome to TSB!
:thankyou Thank you for seeking help and loving a sq!

jme2323
11-04-2008, 12:27 PM
aw man, best wishes on getting her back to health. every little bit of advice will help save her life!

:grouphug

wildlifenursery
11-08-2008, 11:02 PM
he has full fir... about 1/2 the size of a full grown (maybe a bit bigger).. had him for 3 weeks now. was a quite active heathy guy and in the past 24hrs he has been on the ground curled in a ball .. you touch him he yelps... seems to be in pain yet i dont think nething is broke... diet is a large variety of nuts corn and seed... i put him at the top his tree "6ft" climbed down very sluggish like please help thx

I had that happen just once in 17 years.. and I think it was a problem with his tummy.. was his tummy bloated? I found that by given him plain yogert 3 times a day it really helped and soon he was better.

Peaches
11-09-2008, 01:29 PM
Your baby is suffering from MBD and needs calcium right now. Put him back on esbilac and follow the instructions on this board for MBD. He will die if he doesnt get calcium fast.
THIS IS A EMERGENCY!!!!!!
Keep him low to the ground or he will fall and break his brittle bones.
Nuts, seeds and corn have NO nutritional value for a squirrel.
Please let us know how he is doing.

island rehabber
11-09-2008, 01:40 PM
It's been five days and no word on this squirrel.....I suspect the worst. :(
"Not lifting his head" and screaming in pain says to me that the squirrel is in the last stages of MBD and death is a good possibility. Another poor baby lost to a bad diet, and with so much information here and in other places on the web......:shakehead It makes me ill.

Peaches
11-16-2008, 06:57 PM
This is so sad :Cry It breaks my heart that we are here trying to nurse sick and broken babies back to health while people are taking in perfectly healthy babies and killing them because they didn't do some simple research. I wish people would just read the owners manual. There is enough info on here for a artichoke to raise a baby but nobody looks at it until its already too late. GRRRRRR