Can't beleive what I see..!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mads]

45251
My Pox riddled Fab 5 a few moments ago looks like this....! How's that for improvement. No drugs...just almond butter and sea meal from solid gold.

45252
I just barely got the nutriferon yesterday and so they haven't even had that yet....
Below is my second poxed squirrel that was only in the ear area and as you can see ...it's drying nicely.

45253

:jump

[Mars]

:thumbsup :jump :jump:thumbsup :jump :thumbsup :jump :jump :thumbsup

[squirrel princess]

Fabulous news:thumbsup Are you going to give them the meds:poke I don't know that much about Pox:dono

[Bravo]

Right on! Good to see the results of your care. And I'm sure the medicine was a big hit with the fuzzies. :D

[Mads]

Fabulous news:thumbsup Are you going to give them the meds:poke I don't know that much about Pox:dono


No I'm not going to give them the Meds.

I just got the meds yesterday.....and will gladly pass them onto to whoever may need them.

I did get the Shaklee product yesterday late afternoon, and I did make a gallon worth of tea and put it out in a low dish for all the squirrels in the yard.....but I feel that the worst is over with and my squirrels are fighting off this pox on their own immune system. I suppose the almond butter with sea meal helps as well .....

Perhaps the pox runs it's course, and the strong immune systems can fight it off quickly. It's a huge change with this Fabber from even yesterday. I mean, there was a little change from day to day.......but this is huge from one day. It seemed that the pox happened quickly....from the time I saw a small spot to the next day where he was totally puffed out with bumps........and the disappearance of the bumps has happened almost just as quickly.

[Mads]

Right on! Good to see the results of your care. And I'm sure the medicine was a big hit with the fuzzies. :D


I didn't use any medicine. I did ying and yang about it in the first 2 days......then I did get some, but just received it yesterday late afternoon and the Fabulous five were already improving greatly, so the Acvclovir I received was never given to them.

[Lady Squirrelly]

What wonderful news and pictures.

So glad they are doing so well.:thumbsup

[Buddy'sMom]

OMG!!! That is AMAZING ... and EXCITING!!! :multi :multi :multi :multi :multi

For you and the Fab 5, of course, but also in giving us something else to try for fighting pox!! Way to go, Mads!!! :alright.gif :alright.gif :bowdown Especially since this is something that is readily available to erveryone and can easily be mixed daily with something they will eat. WOW, WOW, WOW!!

If I had not been following your thread so closely, I really would have thought the new pics were at about 7-10 or more days!! We tracked some of Jackie's squirrels that had similar levels of pox, and who fought it off on their own (with food and NutriFeron support only) --- but they took much longer to clear up. Much longer.

Still not a definitive "study" of course -- there are squirrels with good immunity that fight it off well on their own, so this is not "scientific proof" that the Seameal was the cause. But is so very very exciting to have this to use in other cases and build on our knowledge and information, much the same as we have with the antiviral drugs.

Mads, when your excitement settles down a bit (:D I imagine you are bouncing off the ceiling with joy :crazy ), can you give us some detailed info on exactly how much of the Seameal you mixed into how much almond butter? And how often you gave it to them? Have they been getting this all along in some other form (I think you mentioned putting it in Critter Scones?) -- if so, that info would be helpful too as it would give people alternative ways to "dose" it out. :thankyou :thankyou

:wott :wott :wott :wott :wott

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

FYI about the meds -- the acyclovir was sent and we have been working behind the scenes in the meantime to sort out how to get from a people pill to a squirrel dose --- to give Mads the option if they needed to be treated. In the meantime, she was watching how they were doing to determine whether to dose when the meds arrived. The thinking, as before, was that if a squirrel appears to have only a mild case with no complicating secondary infection, it is best to observe for a bit, since there are downsides to using the meds. But we wanted Mads to have options in hand if she needed them. Thank you to all who made sure that happened. :bowdown :bowdown

[Mads]

I'm glad your excited.........I'm estactic!!!! And shocked in the improvement with this Fabber. When I look at the before after photo's.......I'm just shocked...I expected a much longer time before he'd get better as well. I even questioned whether I had the correct squirrel....lol...but they were all here...so I can tell my Fab 5 fromt he others...

45254

45255

[Buddy'sMom]

:thinking :thinking sorry for raising this and NOT wanting to question anything :peace , but I've now looked back and compared the pictures ...... Mads, I may just be confused about who we are looking at, and maybe if you just clarify that, I can go back to being as excited as I was a few minutes ago :tilt

Are these new pictures ALL of the one with pox mainly on his ears? :dono If so, he certainly does look much improved .... but I at first had understood the first picture was of the little boy with the very worst pox -- but does not seem to be since he had a very big lesion just at the lower edge of his left eye. Are there still only the two Fabbers we are looking at? :thinking (Sorry, I know Mommies know their own "children" but I don't really have any way to tell them apart :tilt ) Please don't read anything bad or negative into my questions. :peace

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

EDIT: I see Mads posted while I was typing and had the same questions I did. It's helpful to see the pictures side by side --- Mads, can you see his arm also? I'm just still puzzled because there are two "eye lesions" -- under his eye and between eye and nose that seem to be missing altogether -- ????

[Mads]

:thinking :thinking sorry for raising this and NOT wanting to question anything :peace , but I've now looked back and compared the pictures ...... Mads, I may just be confused about who we are looking at, and maybe if you just clarify that, I can go back to being as excited as I was a few minutes ago :tilt

Are these new pictures ALL of the one with pox mainly on his ears? :dono If so, he certainly does look much improved .... but I at first had understood the first picture was of the little boy with the very worst pox -- but does not seem to be since he had a very big lesion just at the lower edge of his left eye. Are there still only the two Fabbers we are looking at? :thinking (Sorry, I know Mommies know their own "children" but I don't really have any way to tell them apart :tilt ) Please don't read anything bad or negative into my questions. :peace

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

EDIT: I see Mads posted while I was typing and had the same questions I did. It's helpful to see the pictures side by side --- Mads, can you see his arm also? I'm just still puzzled because there are two "eye lesions" -- under his eye and between eye and nose that seem to be missing altogether -- ????


The first set of pictures that I posted......the first 2 photo's are of the squirrel that had the worst case of pox sores, the 3rd photo is the photo of my second squirrel who had pox on his ears only and a little sore by his eye.

I did get a good look at his front leg this morning, and you can tell there was pox there, but it's also gone way down....you can't pick it up in the photo....I should of used my movie camera, but I didn't want to spend time on the edit.

I also questioned if I had the right squirrel..........but ...I generally have 4 fabbers that come around everyday......and they were all here at the same time. I can tell this because I can feed all of them peanuts by hand, where sometimes the other squirrels will get on the deck but I cannot approach them. Other wise, I also would not have thought this was the same riddled poxed squirrel. I am amazed . Had I not had all 4 fabbers here this morning, I also wouldn't have thought this was the same guy as days before who was so riddled with pox.....

[Mads]

:osnap :osnap :osnap :osnap :osnap

Well, Buddy's Mom.......I just went down and checked my porch again and found a fabber........who is truely my riddled pox fabber. I was shocked......once again this morning , and you were correct...I had the wrong squirrel. Which means 3 of the fabbers have the pox...not 2 as I thought. So the first photo's must be of the 3rd fabber whom I've not seen yet......and it does look like the pox is on the latter stages and drying up.....so that is still good news. Obviously, this must be the 5th fabber that I don't see everyday. So you were right in your observations....

I quickly gave him his almond butter spiked with sea meal and he lapped it up quickly......and now is having his avacado. I did get some photo's as well....I will post them in a second as soon as I resize them.......

[Mads]

45263

45264

45265

[Mads]

Well, I don't know....I'm still seeing an improvement, And ... what this also tells me is that the 5th squirrel that I don't see much, who is a female....had the pox already and has had nothing....no sea meal with almond butter,... and her pox also covered around her eye... and is on the latter stages ....which may be an indicator that the squirrel pox runs it's course as I was thinking originallly anyway.......

So my plan is still not to medicate this one ...as I still think he's looking better....and with looking at the other 2 as well....the pox is drying out.

[rolo02]

:wahoo I'M SO GLAD YOU FUZZERS ARE DOING SO MUCH BETTER! THEY LOOK GREAT!!!:wahoo :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

[FLUFFYTAILNUT]

WOW...great news..they are al on the road to recovery...
GOOD job!!
I ::::Sigh::::: of relief...LOVE to see...good news...and healing squirrel's.:wave123
I feel so, heavy hearted when I see squirrel's not healthy.
If I was a sick squirrel..I know where Id go to get help!:thumbsup TO YOU!!:thumbsup
Rachel

[Buddy'sMom]

Sigh. Well, I really HATE to be right on this one.

STILL, I am seeing improvement even though the pox on the worst infected boy did not disappear altogether. They seem smaller, and the one under his eye is beginning to scab, I think (looks like scabbing in center?? unless it was a trick of the light?). And overall his face looks better. As does his arm.

Still seeing healthy appetite, activity level? Breathing ok? (vs. labored, or "off" in any way -- in the event of a respiratory infection, we would want to get on it with antibiotics ASAP, so watching closely for changes is still important)

So ... it may not be bouncing off the walls exciting, but I still am impressed as it seems to be a faster progression toward recovery than has been seen in any of the other instances I am aware of. Keep giving everyone Seameal and Nutriferon tea, and keep tracking their progress --- hopefully getting better each day. But if there is any regression, we can start them on acyclovir as soon as that becomes indicated. :)

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Mads]

Sigh. Well, I really HATE to be right on this one.

STILL, I am seeing improvement even though the pox on the worst infected boy did not disappear altogether. They seem smaller, and the one under his eye is beginning to scab, I think (looks like scabbing in center?? unless it was a trick of the light?). And overall his face looks better. As does his arm.

Still seeing healthy appetite, activity level? Breathing ok? (vs. labored, or "off" in any way -- in the event of a respiratory infection, we would want to get on it with antibiotics ASAP, so watching closely for changes is still important)

So ... it may not be bouncing off the walls exciting, but I still am impressed as it seems to be a faster progression toward recovery than has been seen in any of the other instances I am aware of. Keep giving everyone Seameal and Nutriferon tea, and keep tracking their progress --- hopefully getting better each day. But if there is any regression, we can start them on acyclovir as soon as that becomes indicated. :)

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Ok ...good plan. Seameal I also used in the squirrel scones that I made from the rodent block. They don't like their rodent block by itself and they all enjoy the scones. Even the wilder squirrels. I use 1/4 teas. of sea meal to a teaspoon of almond butter...1xdaily.


I also am seeing the improvement around the eye of my worst poxed squirrel as well. I was very disappointed about my mistake this morning,but on the other note......I am always pleased when I know all 5 of the Fab 5 are still around. I always see the 3 males, but those 2 females can stay away for a few days at a time........and then I do see 4...but 5 all together is like every few weeks now. And from the looks of the squirrel I mistook for the worst poxed squirrel, she definitly is on the mend from pox.

[secretsmom]

So, this could be like chicken pox that humans get? Well, not so often anymore with the vaccine out. But, in other words most often when humans get chicken pox it does run iit's course, some people's symptons seem more severe than others and occasionally death is a result, but not normally. I can remember when I had chicken pox when I was 5-no big deal, my son had them when he was 12 and was very very sick and was covered.

If anything the almond butter, seaweed, etc that you give does help alleviate their symptons and makes them heal faster.

I am happy to hear they are on the mend!! teriffic news!!

[luvs squirrels]

Prayers still coming your way that they continue to improve.

:grouphug

[tatcat]

:grouphug glad to hear some of the lil fuzzers are doing better...what an awesome mom you are...:grouphug

[TexanSquirrel]

:thumbsup Here's to continued improvement!

[Jackie in Tampa]

:grouphug

[Mads]

45404

45405

I see some improvement today as well with this guy. His mood is good...he's here every morning for that almond butter. And he enjoys the homemade scones as well. He isn't showing any other signs of illness , his breathing is fine...he's active...so..I am hopeful that he'll be fine and the pox will come and go ...

[Buddy'sMom]

:thumbsup That's the report I was hoping for this morning :thumbsup

It looks like the pox at the front and back corners of his eye (sophisticated medical terminology! :D ) are somewhat flatter today. Possibly also the one under his eye (of most concern) but it was a little hard to tell from the camera angle.

Mads, it also seems as though you are not seeing any ADDITIONAL pox on each squirrel, after seeing the initial outbreak on each one? Is that correct? That would be helpful information. That seemed to be what occurred with Jackie's squirrels. (With Loopy's, she got them in at an advanced stage so couldn't track progress of the pox from the beginning.) It is helpful to know in the future as far as treatment decisions, as it would be an early way to determine if it was going to be a mild case or a terrible case (or that grey area in between :shakehead ). [With the caveat that in both your case and Jackie's, they got supportive care. It might be different in a totally wild and unsupported population :dono :dono ]

Anyway, good news this morning! :flash3 :flash3 :flash3 :flash3 :flash3

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Sciurus1]

Interesting that Chicken Pox was mentioned, which most of us are familiar with being a rather ichy breakout, yet it is small chunk change compared to it's big burning brother named 'Shingles', which is from the same Herpes Zoster Virus. Though most outbreaks are small, sometimes they can be very severe, going done a limb, on the back, or Stomach, or on the face, and even into the eye, and more rarely internally, all of which are extremely painful!! Years back, I had a severe outbreak on my arm and hand, where at the height of the breakout, the small blisters became larger ones, as they joined together. Back then, Doctors were far more freaky about prescribing Narcotics for pain, so they dallied around for over a week with lesser pain meds, none of stopped the pain, till at the height of the breakout, when the pain became unbearable, they decided to give me Percodan (Oxycodone). Thankfully that did the job, and the pain stopped! They put me on Prednizone too, to keep the nerves in my arm, hand, and fingers, from having residual pain, after the shinges dried up. They also prescribed Silver Sulfadiazine to use externally on the lessions, to keep them from getting infected. Since then, I've had only one tiny breakout, just a few shinges, not the high numbers of them I had the first time. I have Acyclovir on hand, to keep such outbreaks from escallating!

As bad as my outbreak of Shingles I had was, from what I see of this pox on these squirrels, I think that it is worse for them, a truly terrible and painful disease!

[Mads]

:thumbsup That's the report I was hoping for this morning :thumbsup

It looks like the pox at the front and back corners of his eye (sophisticated medical terminology! :D ) are somewhat flatter today. Possibly also the one under his eye (of most concern) but it was a little hard to tell from the camera angle.

Mads, it also seems as though you are not seeing any ADDITIONAL pox on each squirrel, after seeing the initial outbreak on each one? Is that correct? That would be helpful information. That seemed to be what occurred with Jackie's squirrels. (With Loopy's, she got them in at an advanced stage so couldn't track progress of the pox from the beginning.) It is helpful to know in the future as far as treatment decisions, as it would be an early way to determine if it was going to be a mild case or a terrible case (or that grey area in between :shakehead ). [With the caveat that in both your case and Jackie's, they got supportive care. It might be different in a totally wild and unsupported population :dono :dono ]

Anyway, good news this morning! :flash3 :flash3 :flash3 :flash3 :flash3

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

Your correct. I am not seeing any "new" pox bumps on the squirrels. the one that had them primarily on his ears, those are dried and there's no others coming. His eyes were not at all affected.

I wonder if perhaps the squirrel who lives inside will get worse cases of pox because they do have to rely on the humans to give them the cures, where as the outdoor free range squirrels are exposed maybe to plants that we don't know about that assist in healing them.

Like if you get into poison ivy, normally you can find Jewelweed growing nearby which rubbed onto you will prevent an outbreak of poison ivy.....

Perhaps squirrels know what they need.....and they can find it.....it could be the sap from a tree, or whatever. All I know is , even though when you look at the pictures today, it still looks lousy, but it is better, it's drying out.

[atlantasquirrelgirl]

This is just fantastic news. Squirrel pox used to have such an awful outcome. Please keep us updated with pictures.