Eye help - head trauma?

[Mommaluvy]

prox 8 weeks. New intake. She and sibling fell from three 30 feet.
Sibling died this am.
No visible swelling.

Treating for dehydration very lethargic ( shock) but she opened her eyes for me and they seem to glow from the inside out.

The pupils are white or bright blue!



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[UDoWhat]

Many times extreme dehydration will cause this. Hydrate...hydrate....hydrate and see if that helps. Hoping this is not cataracts.(?)Doesn't really look like them but... Does she react to light or movement? Hoping she is not blind.

[Mommaluvy]

I can practically touch her eye with the nipple before she closes it. Course I could be hitting a hair.

But.. Her pupils do not respond to light.

That's what is freaking me out.

She has had sub q and 9 cc oral of hydration and was peeing clear when I stimulated her ! But skin tents . Still so I will keep hydrating.

Finder did give a smigde of water plain water last night and this morning after her sibling died. The sib got no water.

[island rehabber]

Many times extreme dehydration will cause this. Hydrate...hydrate....hydrate and see if that helps. Hoping this is not cataracts.(?)Doesn't really look like them but... Does she react to light or movement? Hoping she is not blind.

Hang in there with her, Steph -- this may cure itself in a week or three.

[UDoWhat]

Yes, as IR has said too ... Hang in there. Do keep hydrating. If this was extreme dehydration it may correct itself but could take a while. I have seen this happen in extreme dehydration intakes. I believe this condition may be able to be reversed. I would also advise following the NWRA or IWRC rehydration protocols by using a hydration fluid sub-q and /or orally for (3-4) several days in between regular feedings. I have seen on this board that it is being suggested to leave the salt out after 24 hours. Dr. Miller said it is a deadly mistake to try to rehydrate with sugar water. A rehydration fluid that contains salt is perfectly safe, recommended, and necessary for a few days to correct the damage that has been done from extreme fluid loss. Keeping you both in my prayers.

[Mommaluvy]

Yes, as IR has said too ... Hang in there. Do keep hydrating. If this was extreme dehydration it may correct itself but could take a while. I have seen this happen in extreme dehydration intakes. I believe this condition may be able to be reversed. I would also advise following the NWRA or IWRC rehydration protocols by using a hydration fluid sub-q and /or orally for (3-4) several days in between regular feedings. I have seen on this board that it is being suggested to leave the salt out after 24 hours. Dr. Miller said it is a deadly mistake to try to rehydrate with sugar water. A rehydration fluid that contains salt is perfectly safe, recommended, and necessary for a few days to correct the damage that has been done from extreme fluid loss. Keeping you both in my prayers.

I followed the new IWRC protocol that came out last fall. They have you doing all the hydration with in 24 hours. BW x percent of suspected dehydration . I assumed 10 % in addition to Daily MAintanance fluids .

She took 12 cc since noon and sub q. She urinates well . But nothing seems to be "soaking up". Her skin still tents terribly.
She is thin but not emaciated .

I will keep hydrating and offer dilute formula tomorrow. She is responsive and has periods of alertness but so soo weak.

[Mommaluvy]

She passed away...


Least she was warm safe and getting fluids.

I wonder if there is a point where fluid just runs out with out absorbing...

It was so weird how the urine was clear and plentiful but just not absorbing into tissue.

[UDoWhat]

I am sorry. Poor little baby rest in peace When they come in so dehydrated , 12% range, it is almost impossible to bring them back.
You did evey thing you could. Yes there is a % that requires IV fluid therapy. A vet would have to do that , for me anyway. 12% is considered the point of no return and usually results in death.

I wonder if you would send me the info you have on rehydration. I know that Dr. Miller changed her protocol but I cannot see how you can hydrate a baby, particularily one that was so dehydrated, ( in the moderate to severe range) in only one day. Something is amiss here. All the sights I am seeing are recommending Dr. Miller's protocol with the increased fluids per day but still are recommending a 3 day protocol. I would be intrested to see this new info. I see that Dr. Miller is using 100% of the amount in day 1 but continuing lesser % amounts on day 2 & day 3. Just wondering.... I need to learn all I can.... always. We never know enough.
Again so very sorry you lost the little one. I know it hurts.

[Mommaluvy]

Will do !

[SQUIRRELSAREME]

Rip little one and hugs to you for trying.

[Mommaluvy]

If anyone wants this .. Send me your email addy in pm and ill send the whole pdf

[Mommaluvy]

You know.. Now that you mention it ..

It assumes in many of the examples that buy day two your dehydrated babie will no longer be showing signs of dehydration.

On the page 5 sheet you see that day one is
100% DMF (6% bw) + fluid deficit + path loss if any.
Day 2 & 3 are just DMF + PL

Your right. Its not possible. I estimated Fern at 10%
But if she were still alive now she may still be showing signs of dehydration.